Fractal Torrent - Nexus 9p Slim Fan Hub Update

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@Gassit 2 жыл бұрын

Congrats getting in first Graham. I'm sure we'll hear about this over the next couple of days from the big tech channels but you were there first.

@Nobe_Oddy 2 жыл бұрын

NZXT could learn A LOT from this lol :) Thanks for the update :)

@beardtrick3739 2 жыл бұрын

plated, 1mm gap, swap the 12v plane. What a really good job at fixing this! hats off to fractal

@joshuaguenin9507 2 жыл бұрын

not really, old design still made it to market

@maxmustsleep 2 жыл бұрын

@@joshuaguenin9507 yeah but instead of crying about it and telling people its not a big deal (like most other tech companies do) they immediately called back their products and stopped sales even if it will hurt their sales on a new product a lot. yes it shouldn't have happened but manufacturing and designing products is tough so mistakes happen. you can only hold people and companies to how they handle situations like that

@development7620 2 жыл бұрын

Found this channel recently. This is great repair work and teacher. Keep e m coming!

@ordanicu3305 2 жыл бұрын

Beautiful explanation and very well documented. Loved the detailed video footage of the trace itself.

@JonathanSias 2 жыл бұрын

Concise overview, excellent explanation and demonstration. Thank you!

@RosebudsRosebud666 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for all of the information, and the thorough explanation! I just purchased one of these myself, and it looks like it will make for an awesome build. Liked and subscribed!

@WineLad 2 жыл бұрын

to this day I am very thankful you have shown me how to properly understand power supply specifications on psu stickers. Thank you for showing this as well

@AR-Race Жыл бұрын

Brilliant, thanks for this. I bought a new case of eBay but had no idea when it was made. Contacted fractal but then found your video! Checked my fan hub and it's v1.1 so all good.

@timothystevenhoward 2 жыл бұрын

excellent recap and comparison, thanks! been thinking about this case vs the Meshify

@VandelayIndustries1982 2 жыл бұрын

Love all your videos mate. I've watched every video you have. Hi from Australia

@IckyWilbur 2 жыл бұрын

Big ups to Fractal for not just doing the bare minimum fix, but going overkill on the fix! Mistakes will inevitably happen as you continue to make new products; how a company responds tells you A LOT about whether you should give them your business in the future or not.

@metrotechguru5863 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for spreading the news, Graham.

@MarcusTheDorkus 2 жыл бұрын

I'm disappointed that Fractal managed to make a mistake as simple as this, but I'm happy to see that they went all-out to fix it. And thanks for this quick and clear explanation of what went wrong and what was changed!

@Nico_335i_DCT 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing Graham. Regards Nico.

@TheMhannah100 2 жыл бұрын

Good job Fractal

@robertrent5218 Жыл бұрын

Well done.

@telquad1953 2 жыл бұрын

I see the Underwriter's Labs logo .. on the faulty design! Speaks volumes.

@toxy3580 2 жыл бұрын

They're writers not electricians give them a break

@ajl1430 2 жыл бұрын

nice informative video

@kcinplatinumgaming2598 2 жыл бұрын

I spotted that straight away .. !!!

@trident1058 2 жыл бұрын

Funny how the first defective board has a big UR (under writers lab) "certification" logo proudly displayed.

@ackman3981 2 жыл бұрын

Great that they admitted it and replaced it quickly. If this was Apple for example, they would have said was a user error. And not admit the error until they where caught.

@FOX11GUY 2 жыл бұрын

This is why it's important to put the new cover sheet on the TPS reports.

@steveaustin4118 2 жыл бұрын

I heard they only had 2 reports yet recalled anyway, if that's true well done on them

@toxy3580 2 жыл бұрын

Mine 1.0 is scratched on the right screw from manufacturing, can see the metal right through the screw. Thankfully mine came with the 1.1 and a warning sticker on the box.

@redwinedrummer 2 жыл бұрын

The irony is that in so much cost-cutting in v1.0, they delivered a potentially dangerous product and had to spend money rushing out v1.1. In the end, they spent more.

@cjmillsnun 2 жыл бұрын

They did, but by catching it early, they spent less than they could've done.

@IIGrayfoxII 2 жыл бұрын

You flood fill ground planes. You make power traces thicker if they handle current. I am not an electrical engineer and I know this. Also make use of the Islands function

@jaro6985 2 жыл бұрын

Nothing wrong with flood fill power planes. The only actual problem here was not having pads and adequate clearance around the screws.

@IIGrayfoxII 2 жыл бұрын

@@jaro6985 It is always safer to make ground filled planes. The revised one should've been done the first time. Thick trace in the middle carrying +12v which can handle 5A easy.

@jaro6985 2 жыл бұрын

@@IIGrayfoxII As long as there are no screw holes or mounting points near the area, it doesn't matter if its a 12V trace or a plane, either one is "safe". Clearance rules in software can be set to achieve this.

@ayeshasworld5042 2 жыл бұрын

❤️

@fragalot 2 жыл бұрын

please let us know when the Fractal Torrent cases are back on the market.

@AOEOt31os 2 жыл бұрын

Noice.

@theonewhowas7709 2 жыл бұрын

i wouldve atleast would liked to see some filter caps.. at the least

@jeremysaise 2 жыл бұрын

Looks like the spaced the connections a tiny bit further away from the holes but I maybe wrong

@swisspeach67 2 жыл бұрын

They are definitely farther away. The whole new PCB might be a bit taller than the old one

@jeremysaise 2 жыл бұрын

That’s good the looked too close to the case on the first video

@Adamant_IT 2 жыл бұрын

I noticed this when re-watching the video. Wish I'd got the callipers out and measured distances now, for posterity!

@toxy3580 2 жыл бұрын

@@swisspeach67 it is much taller than the original.

@HazewinDog 2 жыл бұрын

todoloo!

@sleepingwarrior4618 2 жыл бұрын

It seems so obvious when you point this out,how can this even be a thing?

@bellshooter 2 жыл бұрын

If you still pick up comments, a box of 50 or so old style fan hubs have shown up on an auction site I use. They have been informed, awaiting response.

@jw3456 2 жыл бұрын

Did you get a response from fractal to your replacement ticket, for example a delivery confirmation? My ticket just sits at „processing“ since forever. :(

@Adamant_IT 2 жыл бұрын

They're probably very busy. I was in super quick with mine, so probably was very early in the queue for replacements.

@MrDvneil 2 жыл бұрын

so crazy, who designs those things? how they do a 12v layer mixed with the screws that goes to case? wtf

@TheBobcat1978 2 жыл бұрын

Wish you could buy this separately. I have a meshify 2, but the fan hub it comes w doesnt do justice if youre using more than 6 pwn fans.

@vasilachealex 2 жыл бұрын

Will I be safe using this if I stick it with double-sided adhesive?

@Adamant_IT 2 жыл бұрын

I'd make sure it's a nice thick pad, so none of the pins sticking through can contact metal, but yea that'd work. I'd advise getting the replacement and then using screws though, that's the best option.

@matrixmodulator Жыл бұрын

Holy crap lol that must be a beginner who designed this older hub

@Acecool 2 жыл бұрын

In their documentation they say fan 1 is supposed to be a f/f cable going to CPU or CPU optional for speed information - but the second center wire already gets the speed info so why claim this? Also why no Y splitter ( if it is supposed to use fan 1 to help the rest ramp up from the cpu without powering it ) or a straight cable... nothing is included except sata power and the other wire, plus the 3 screws. Anyways, this is what I'm going to do to install it... I'll plug my CPU fan coolers into Fan 1 and 2 ( Noctua D15 ) and the cable from the controller into CPU. Then I'll use Fan 9 to Fan 5 for case fans. I may use Fan 3 for my Samsung 970 evo plus 2tb ( gpu is too big to use the same cooler for my 970 pro 1tb which is my primary unless I use in a slot which takes 4 sata ports - so I may swap the 970 evo plus and the 970 pro and move the plus down to the other... ) Or, to verify this will work before doing it, I may use cpu opt for fan 1 and leave the primary fan in cpu and go from there... Technically I could use the motherboard for all fans and I have been but I didn't want to use the 3 amp header in case there ended up being a short or some other issue - 3 amps is a lot for a fan to be able to access if something happens.

@Fezzy976 2 жыл бұрын

I can see the new one having a lot of issues with Noctua fans. The lowered current will more than likely not be enough for even 6 fans let alone 9. I have issues with multiple fan hubs and they can't power these fans especially after a restart. Some of the fans will just stop dead. I've checked multiple times the connections, I've changed fan controller twice and they all do the same thing.

@Adamant_IT 2 жыл бұрын

Yea I'm not sure... I don't think it needed to be 9 channels. Like, 9 is the maximum number of fans you'd put in this case, which is why they went for that many, but that assumes a 360mm watercooling rad with 6 fans push/pull on the front or bottom. And ain't no one running a setup like that off of a single mobo fan header. Since I'm not using mine though, I might see if I can do some tests on it, to see if the updated version can actually manage 9 fans.

@dac33nr58 Жыл бұрын

Mature reaction from fractal not like MSI that ignore issues.

@william0404 2 жыл бұрын

Watch GN now try this new one with 9 4000+ rpm fans 😂

@deminybs 2 жыл бұрын

Yay now your computer won't go up in flames 😂

@nian60 2 жыл бұрын

I'm impressed by how Fractal handled this issue. On the other hand it's sad that the state of the PC market is so bad, that a company doing the right thing is unusual (looking at you, NZXT and Gigabyte). Thanks for the video.

@johnbos4637 2 жыл бұрын

3:00 Wow that was a major screw up. No real engineer puts a 12V flood fill on the outside layer of a PCB. Must have been some 17 year old work experience kid who knew absolutely nothing about PCB design LOL!

@theodiscusgaming3909 2 жыл бұрын

That's just HORRIBLE design, why did they even put 12V everywhere on the PCB?

@gerryjamesedwards1227 2 жыл бұрын

Laziness is the only thing I can think of, it's easier to flood fill the whole plane than it is to lay the path out manually. The automatic layout tools don't usually do multiple connections very well, in my limited experience.