Framework CEO's favorite Linux Distro

Framework CEO's favorite Linux Distro | Q&A with Nirav Patel

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Ай бұрын

We sat down with Framework's Founder & CEO, Nirav Patel, at our SF HQ to celebrate the launch of our new products!
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@Nintron Ай бұрын

Arch mentions? 0 NixOS mentions? 1 Based

@furinick Ай бұрын

Archbros is it over?

@Splarkszter Ай бұрын

IT'S SO OVER 😭😭😭

@chriss3404 Ай бұрын

I use arch btw

@FlafyDev Ай бұрын

NIXOS!!!!

@RamkrishanYT Ай бұрын

Smart enough to run arch on a Blackberry but not enough to use a stable distro

@AQDuck Ай бұрын

Framework went from "we don't officially support or recommend Linux but we won't make it difficult for you" to "LINUX OUR PRECIOUS!" real quick

@JessicaFEREM Ай бұрын

That's probably because the people passionate about upgradable and modular computers are also into modular and Open source software.

@subaru4920 Ай бұрын

I guess that explains why my brightness keys started working out of nowhere.

@SomeNerd361 Ай бұрын

@@JessicaFEREM also an opportunity as windows is going down the AI drain

@user-lp1be4jl8c Ай бұрын

@@subaru4920I guess it depends on what distro you run, but my batch 2 framework 13 11th gen had working brightness buttons in both fedora and Ubuntu back in 2022.

@Jono997 Ай бұрын

@@SomeNerd361Amen to that. I would jump ship in a heartbeat if I could (unfortunately, a lot of stuff I need on a day to day basis has no alternatives and doesn't play nice with wine yet)

@jfolz Ай бұрын

o7 sir, we appreciate your sacrifice, taking one for the team.

@scheimong Ай бұрын

Yeah. Being forced back onto Windows after experiencing the taste of freedom is a fate I wouldn't wish on my worst enemies.

@GSBarlev Ай бұрын

Windows isn't bad. The Windows 11 UI reminds me of Ubuntu Unity, and thanks to WSL, it's pretty easy to run all your favorite applications. (in case it wasn't obvious, this comment was made with a generous heaping of salt)

@jfolz Ай бұрын

@@GSBarlev you had me in the first part.

@Splarkszter Ай бұрын

It's fine as long as it isn't a daily drive :)

@anshumaanmishra3748 Ай бұрын

@@scheimong So true -openSUSE Tumbleweed KDE loving victim

@heroclix0rz Ай бұрын

His favorite boat is the Ship of Theseus

@s0me1newithhand7s Ай бұрын

NixOS mentioned. peace founded.

@aman9das Ай бұрын

😇

@atemoc Ай бұрын

NixOS gang

@GSBarlev Ай бұрын

Framework must be a pretty rad place to work, if employees have enough downtime to configure their NixOS setups! 😝 Just kidding. I love the idea of Nix and plan on switching at least one of my daily drivers to it once y'all stabilize the API and update the documentation accordingly.

@noisetide Ай бұрын

Nix-chan yay! 😳

@c2vi_dev Ай бұрын

NixOS gang

@one_step_sideways Ай бұрын

Notice how he never mentioned Arch and didn't say it was his favourite distro. This is because, unlike all Arch users, he is employed

@no_name4796 24 күн бұрын

Probably even has a wife. I can already hear arch users running to their computers to type "man wife" just to find out they have none

@joyantonio4554 16 күн бұрын

😂

@one_step_sideways 16 күн бұрын

@@no_name4796 No, they'll type "which wife", and not because they're want to know that, but to find her location

@Promestein 3 күн бұрын

As an unemployed arch user, i can confirm you are right.

@noahflare6825 Ай бұрын

FrameWork needs to win Enterprise/Goverment customers. That would help accelerate the growth of the brand

@cameronbosch1213 Ай бұрын

Given Apple seems to have no interest in meeting IT departments policies of data retention (with soldered SSDs) and many Windows OEMs, even Lenovo with their ThinkPads, becoming less and less repair friendly, I think Framework could actually become a serious contender with their 13.5 inch laptops if they can push it as such and promote the easy of repair and maintenance compared to modern Dell & HP laptops.

@gasun1274 Ай бұрын

Also schools

@ItsHatlolOfficial Ай бұрын

Nope, no company is gonna waste billable hours on faffing around with repairs. No company over 100 deployments will even bother reparing enterprise devices. It just not worth the money for them.

@rethardotv5874 Ай бұрын

My employer started equipping sales reps with 13inch frameworks, fingers crossed.

@PahLume Ай бұрын

They just need to add smart card support and that may happen.

@wtfdocsub Ай бұрын

I love that this company is so in tune with the community.

@godminnette2 Ай бұрын

Been running NixOS on my framework and loving it!

@StaffyDoo Ай бұрын

Embrace the flake! ❄️🖖✊

@coolhandle572 Ай бұрын

Did you have to do any special configuration? What DE/WM are you using?

@godminnette2 Ай бұрын

@@coolhandle572 just gnome. I literally just sat down to start experimenting with Wayland when I saw this notification, lol.

@discocat2500 Ай бұрын

Same ❤.

@william1106 Ай бұрын

@@coolhandle572hyprland / i3 is great :)

@stoicfloor Ай бұрын

I'm running NixOS on my framework. Never been happier. Best laptop purchase ever!

@fedfer Ай бұрын

NixOS mentioned, I am in disbelief, I have reached pure ecstasy

@derockx Ай бұрын

didn't expect NixOS to be mentioned

@AlphaLumenTV Ай бұрын

Yeah, seriously! How often do we hear laptop companies not only being so into Linux support but mentioning NixOS as an example? That’s legit awesome.

@mateowoetam Ай бұрын

I'm glad Fedora 40 was added to the list of officially supported distros, this opens up the door to a lot of Fedora based distros to also work just as well.

@lionelt.9124 Ай бұрын

Bazzite is a good one.

@mateowoetam Ай бұрын

@@lionelt.9124 I prefer Secureblue

@crazystupidgamer Ай бұрын

God, its just a blast to see people passionate about their craft talking about it. It shows me how much the creators care about the products they want me to use. Traditional marketing doesn't do it for me.

@vimjoyer Ай бұрын

NixOS is the best 💪💪💪

@BvngeeCord Ай бұрын

NixOSJoyer

@c2vi_dev Ай бұрын

absolutely

@richtigmann1 Ай бұрын

NIXOS MENTIONED 🗣🗣🗣‼‼‎ 🔥

@fedfer Ай бұрын

NixOS legend

@gusslx Ай бұрын

NixOSjoyer spotted lesgoooo

@michelfug Ай бұрын

I wish these questions were read out loud for accessibility reasons (or watching KZfaq while doing chores reasons 😅)

@asmoto755 Ай бұрын

Agree 100%. I was making dinner and thought to myself "Nice answers, but what were the qustions?"

@leoscock Ай бұрын

+1 And possibly use a better microphone and/or turn down the background music. Excellent video btw from the makers of my next linux laptop!

@garrettrinquest1605 Ай бұрын

Same here

@user-bp8yg3ko1r Ай бұрын

Nirav, if you're reading this: Thank you so much for saving the tech industry. Also: *I'm desperate for a Framework Phone*

@xlion Ай бұрын

Already done by fairphone

@MrGamelover23 Ай бұрын

@@xlionOnly available in Europe, so automatically worthless.

@AbteilungsleiterinBeiAntifaEV Ай бұрын

@@xlionnah framework laptops aren't trash

@user-bp8yg3ko1r Ай бұрын

@@xlion Yeah, but with too many disadvantages. There is no headphone jack, it is way too large, the chipset is draining the phone's battery, because it's actually for IoT devices, but I know why they had to do that.

@cookie_space Ай бұрын

@@xlionfairphone is not compatible over multiple generation and they do drop the availability of parts after a while. Their vision is not the same as the framework one. Not to mention all the other sacrifices you make with that phone.

@TheMotivatorG Ай бұрын

love the idea of this company

@MikoKnight Ай бұрын

Let the distro wars begin.

@mathman0569 Ай бұрын

lol there are very few wrong distros to use, but people can't agree on what the "best" is.

@mathman0569 Ай бұрын

though for beginners, there are many more "wrong" options for them. Like generally no arch based, no rollers, and nothing weird due to lack of docs.

@cameronbosch1213 Ай бұрын

@mathman0569 Mainly Manjaro is the main "bad distro". And to some degree Ubuntu, although not as bad as Manjaro.

@crazystupidgamer Ай бұрын

Anything that works for you is a good distro. Personally, I find ubuntu based distros and Fedora and it's derivatives easy to use, that also let me play around.

@mathman0569 Ай бұрын

@@cameronbosch1213 Yeah, Manjaro is the main one, there are others, like don't use redstar, don't use anything that doesn't get updates, if you're on an LTS distro it's best if it's the most recent LTS from the LTS distro, like don't be using debian 10 on desktop right now, that's old.

@dorfen6507 Ай бұрын

The fact that everyone in the company are such huge f***ing nerd using Linux, that they need to sacrifice one of them to at least make sure Windows work is hilarious to me.

@rohithkumarbandari Ай бұрын

You got it wrong. Everyone in the company are ultra f***ing giga chads and they had to sacrifice one of them to mainstream bleak, horrible windows experience so that average tech illiterate windows user can have good experience. He took one for the team. Respect to him.

@MadafakinRio 17 күн бұрын

@@rohithkumarbandari go see a doctor.

@rohithkumarbandari 17 күн бұрын

@@MadafakinRio go see a psychiatrist.

@rohithkumarbandari 10 күн бұрын

@@MadafakinRio go see a psychiatrist.

@lanceislateagain Ай бұрын

Just a few things I'd add to get it absolutely perfect: - Optional touch screen and 360 degree hinges - Haptic touchpad - Better speakers

@aravindpallippara1577 Ай бұрын

Need that Goldilocks 13inch touchscreen with 360 hinge thats solid or at least repairable before I jump in With a hopefully oled display will be my media device and personal laptop (already have a PC, steam deck and a work macbook)

@Deinorius Ай бұрын

For me the only thing missing is a TrackPoint feature like on ThinkPads. And similar direction keys like on those. Then it would be perfect. OK, better speakers would be nice too.

@_mrsahem_ Ай бұрын

@@Deinorius I can imagine them really expanding their keyboard layouts in future. I would like an rgb one for the 13 inch tbh

@Deinorius Ай бұрын

@@_mrsahem_ With their flexibility it has to be.

@thefanboy3285 Ай бұрын

One thing that's so wholesome is the fact that people are SOOO fond of Framework computers that they are giving free advice in the comments section of their video, and Framework listen to them. I am eagerly waiting for the day I can have the money and occasion to order one of your products over the seas.

@aratof18 Ай бұрын

i just ordered a factory seconds last week, I can't wait to have it in my hands. thanks so much for the reassuring info on using Linux

@computerfan1079 Ай бұрын

I really like these videos. They strike a great balance between well-produced and geniune/honest. Great work!

@DannyMexen9 Ай бұрын

Like S76, I foresee Framework releasing their own Linux distro - Theseus.

@tntblast500 Ай бұрын

That would be a perfect name

@Ryan-ct3rv 17 күн бұрын

I don't think they need to tbh. I think most framework owners running Linux already have a preferred distro

@NoNo-wj8oh Күн бұрын

The fact that your employee base is skewed towards Linux is amazing. This gives me so much hope!

@Blue_Blaze72 Ай бұрын

Very cool interview! It was nice to see Nirav's insight on some things. Though I have to say the ending felt a bit off since it was just a blank screen with some music (that gets cut off ultimately).

@LokeshWritesCode Ай бұрын

please come to india. We need framework laptops here!

@bublybublybubly Ай бұрын

Decided to go with Manjaro on my Framework 16. Aside from a few bleeding edge kernel bugs like delayed WiFi on boot, its been rock solid! It instantly became my favorite laptop that I've ever used. The display is just amazing. There's something I can't explain about the way the colors look that I just love.

@starrwulfe Ай бұрын

I got my Framework 16 running on NixOS, Ubuntu 24.04 and Win 11 (virtualized coz I’m a MSFT employee and need to dogfood stuff too) Love this computer! BTW, and I get the new image sensor for my FW16?

@JuanesChiwirosky Ай бұрын

I love this format, very natural and real

@cnoberachus Ай бұрын

Shipping to Denmark would make the device even more perfect! :P

@OLBastholm Ай бұрын

I’m pretty sure they’ve already announced that

@cnoberich Ай бұрын

@@OLBastholmReally? I recently wrote to the framework support and they said it's currently not on their map. That was some time last week, or maybe two weeks ago. So if you know more, I would be really happy to know as well. And so would be framework, since I've got a ton of money to burn. 😂

@OLBastholm Ай бұрын

@@cnoberich That's strange. It was apparently in the launch post for the new Laptop 13 on their website: "These are available in all 14 countries we’re currently in, and we’ll be launching in Sweden, Finland, and Denmark this June."

@cnoberich Ай бұрын

@@OLBastholm Alright, thanks for letting me know, I'll definitely check again soon. Have a great day :)

@Winnetou17 Ай бұрын

Any chance you'll do another live battery life test, like you did about one year ago with 13th gen vs 12th gen ? I'm actually curious how far your Meteor Lake implementation can go. I'm also curious if on Linux (I know that Windows a kind of a lost cause) maybe with some manual tuning, if you can have actual, working instances where you do only use those 2 LP E-cores. Like when watching a video. Theoretically that should provide great battery life, but I haven't seen people testing specifically for that (that is, trying to have the laptop run only on the 2 LP E-cores, but without simply turning the other cores off in the BIOS).

@klfjoat Ай бұрын

I just looked on the Marketplace, and the new Webcam module says it will be compatible with Framework 16! 🎉 Man, I love this company! ❤

@Krishnajha20101 Ай бұрын

Please launch in India. This can be a great laptop for students.

@one_step_sideways 16 күн бұрын

@@Krishnajha20101 So much for the "we are CEO saar" meme, with how they still haven't launched in India and have no plans to in the near future

@NurturesWrath Ай бұрын

i hope Framework opens shop in South East Asia

@legojenn Ай бұрын

I have been running Mint since I bought my Framework 13 in April. I took the SSD out of my HP laptop and it has been running ever since. Don't change.

@ciretdatsnesie Ай бұрын

Using debian on my framework 13 with no issues, I think desktop debian has come a long way in terms of ease of use and solid out of the box configuration, I'd definitely recommend it to those who are not into Ubuntu's push towards the snap format

@Merlijn39 Ай бұрын

How is the feel of the keyboard of the laptop compared to Thinkpad (both old and new)?

@slizgi86 Ай бұрын

I hope Framework will go in the near future with ARM and Qualcomm series, and somehow with CAMM2 memory modules instead of memory on chip, if it is even possible to have Qualcomm produce a chip without memory on a chip - but I think it is possible. I guess that the new camera module is no longer connected to the PC via USB 2.0 as it usually does in laptops but rather 3.something, to be able to sent that data from big sensor to the chip?

@terminallyonline5296 Ай бұрын

Thanks for taking that hit! At least there's WSL2 which is also a good thing to have someone on the team using Windows for.

@altosack Ай бұрын

I primarily use Linux, but now, after 24 years of not using Windows, I have one MacOS machine. From using WSL2 once on a friend’s machine and hearing many accolades, I would really like to have an equivalent on MacOS. And no, Mac Terminal, even fortified with MacPorts or Homebrew is not the same.

@EduardoBattaglia Ай бұрын

I have a Framework 13 AMD and I love it! One issue: will you ever do that the backlight of the keyboard go off after a few seconds? That would be awesome! I hope you read this! Cheers!

@enderpirate9887 Ай бұрын

The only thing I need now is a touchscreen! Bonus points if you can make a 2in1 chassis!

@smiththewright Ай бұрын

Awsome!

@romulino 27 күн бұрын

For a company NIX is just gold, imagine everyone running the same OS config and sharing day to day feedback and improvements to make it better.

@Prince_of_all_Saiyans 9 күн бұрын

Hey Nirav...! When r u guys coming to India ? I swear that the Frameworks Laptops will be worshipped like anything....!! 🙌🔥

@svenstubes Ай бұрын

I love your company and ethos. I have no need for a laptop but wish i could support you.

@GSBarlev Ай бұрын

Same! I did buy my Steam Deck's 2TB 2230 from them just to show my support, but I don't see needing a personal laptop at any point in the near future.

@MrGamelover23 Ай бұрын

@@GSBarlevThat's actually quite brilliant you were able to do that.

@morgan40654 Ай бұрын

I'm someone who needs a laptop for school and uses external dock and monitors at home, finding a good webcam is practically impossible to the point it's cheaper to find a iPhone X and basically convert it to a webcam. If you could bring that new laptop web-cam to an external web-cam at the right price that would be huge. Especially if the price can be put in the $100-$150ish range.

@MrGamelover23 Ай бұрын

Hey, that's a really good idea. You should consider posting it on the forum so that it gets some traction.

@Deinorius Ай бұрын

Well, you would only need an adapter for USB and then you could print an enclosure. Drivers may work the same way or it might not need that much to work.

@rvmiv_ Ай бұрын

Loving Bazzite on the 16

@ivovass195 Ай бұрын

Thanks for the webcam situation explanation. I hope to make my next laptop to be framework, but not until mine 2015 acer can't be saved any more and I can afford and its available in my region

@pengie_ Ай бұрын

The NixOS mention has sold me even more

@Babarisdead Ай бұрын

Came for the distro, stayed for the song Ryan James Carr - Mr Maniac

@shib5267 Ай бұрын

I think it's time to start shipping with linux preinstalled

@rvmiv_ Ай бұрын

This is something that I'm still not 100% sold on, everyone has their distro preferences so unless they make a massive drop down menu they have to choose what they ship to people And even if they did have that drop down menu how do you explain to someone new to Linux what the differences are?

@cameronbosch1213 Ай бұрын

@@rvmiv_ They could ship it with Bazzite or Bluefin, two community supported atomic distros based on Fedora, or Fedora itself. Personally, I wouldn't ship Ubuntu because of their heavy reliance on snaps and their recent instability.

@GSBarlev Ай бұрын

@@rvmiv_ This. I don't care if it shipped it with my own personal favorite distro (elementaryOS), first thing I'd do is still wipe and re-partition, because I always keep my data on a separate partition from my system files.

@daimarstein Ай бұрын

@@rvmiv_ Simple, only offer options with the officially supported distros (Ubuntu and Fedora) and keep the same offer with no OS pre-installed for those that want something else.

@naturalcauses1695 Ай бұрын

Very few actually use linux, youre all just very noisy

@kabochaVA Ай бұрын

Very good interview! I wonder if there will ever be Framework laptops powered by ARM, or even Risc-V processors?

@Empty_Vima Ай бұрын

hello from NixOS users... ;)

@magicmanchloe Ай бұрын

I’m waiting for famework to switch to camm2 and use the extra space provided by not having the so-dimm slots to add a second ssd slot so I can dual boot more easily

@IcyyDicy Ай бұрын

Could the team please consider improving the audio of these videos? It makes the videos seem ""cheaper"" than what they truly are... ❤

@JerryWoo96 Ай бұрын

I'm still waiting for framework 16 to ship to Singapore.

@user-pk6fk5ns1s Ай бұрын

TIMESTAMPS: Question One - What distro are you using right now?: 0:09 Question Two - Do you have a favorite distro? 0:55 Question Three - Why did you start using Linux? 1:28 Question Four - What's your favorite Framework product? 2:02 Question Five - What was an unexpected engineering challenge the team faced during this launch? 2:56

@samuelperez8370 Ай бұрын

I hope you will have global delivery in the near future. I really do.

@SirVellen Ай бұрын

Can you please try Pop!Os? They wrote driver for graphics card switching between discrete and integrated and some changes like native steam support in os. I'm using pop as my work OS for development

@peterboil4064 Ай бұрын

If they keyboards only would have a trackpoint, then this would be something for me. I'd buy three of those!

@jozsefizsak Ай бұрын

I want it, that's what I think of it! 😊

@FineWine-v4.0 21 күн бұрын

Will it be available in Asia soon ?

@jakewynn Ай бұрын

why is the volume always so low on fw videos? just me?

@Wastedarmor Ай бұрын

Dear @Framework community team, could you send the Track of this Video? It sounds amazing. Also Nirav, goes without saying, greatest guy ever. I hope we find more of him in this world.

@xlion Ай бұрын

yt-dlp

@maxmouse3 Ай бұрын

Ubuntu is great, even though I no longer use it , my 13" is running Fedora :D Great machines! Keep it up with the good work! FW 13" AMD is my favorite laptop of all time

@mglsj Ай бұрын

Do you have any plans for a Snapdragon X series powered framework?

@lukajioshvili4786 22 күн бұрын

I can't pre order from website :( Website declines my both cards (valid)

@lost-prototype Ай бұрын

Haptic touchpads, more (black!!) chassis options, pen input and touch screens.... CAMM RAM. Do a competitor to the Minisforum V3 :)

@frankhuurman3955 Ай бұрын

A greyish look like the Lenovo Yoga Slim laptops with a bit of an aluminum shiny FW logo on the back would be the dream. Current chassis color is a bit cheap looking.

@finnderp9977 Ай бұрын

Does Framework also do CAD desing on Linux? If yes, which software?

@TedTabaka Ай бұрын

Here is hoping for Biometrics on the Framework Chromebook!

@soumyabratapaul8151 Ай бұрын

Unfortunate that we cant get this in India. We need this here!

@uropig Ай бұрын

woo!!

@ultraprimez Ай бұрын

Mr. Patel when will we see framework laptops in India ?

@RealGigaMind 22 күн бұрын

When in India ?

@cyangalaxy 13 күн бұрын

Nice

@Geethasaran24 Ай бұрын

We need framework in INDIA!!!

@CodeAsm Ай бұрын

Are you using WSL2 on that Windows install ? 😉😊 Framework is awesome. Im an Arch user btw, and dualbooting for now (for a few, very few things that just runs better under windows).

@night_h4nter Ай бұрын

nixos mentioned!

@technomatic6285 Ай бұрын

Are there any plans of Framework coming to India?

@conceptrat Ай бұрын

What CEO have you seen sitting in their Dev lair? Props to that ❤

@zil6470 Ай бұрын

❤

@vikaspoddar001 Ай бұрын

Will framework come to india ???

@Shadsix Ай бұрын

1. I'd like to see framework patterned with SUPERNOTE (ereaders) 2. I'd like to see a framework touchscreen. 3. I'd like to see a Microsoft surface style framework PC I'm not concerned about thickness, and I like the thin magnetic flap keyboards. 4. A framework phone would be awesome. Maybe 1 flagship high grade every 3 years? Thanks if you consider any of this.

@harshnj 13 күн бұрын

Hey @Framework! When you guys are coming here in India?

@RtkGpt 12 күн бұрын

wah too

@thetechdog Ай бұрын

Arch users coping rn

@pocketlint82 Ай бұрын

Since divinci resolve is on Linux and I'm buying one to do video editing, I might try out Linux for the first time. Maybe I'll get a big ssd to have windows as a backup

@frankhuurman3955 Ай бұрын

DaVinci Resolve didn't really work well for me on Ubuntu 22.04 with a Ryzen 4800U (Vega 8 iGPU), but perhaps the support on a FW laptop is better :)

@mmatania Ай бұрын

India launch??

@H-RutherfordHill Ай бұрын

You were using an i386 PC in 2003, 2004?!

@somewhereinthemiddle3050 Ай бұрын

Any chance of a Snapdragon X Elite based system as a _stopgap_ for RISC-V?

@okman9684 Ай бұрын

Please ship to more countries. Still framework unavailable in many countries. Also give us some hints about any ARM laptop if its on pipeline

@shaneboo1531 Ай бұрын

FRAMEWORK IN MALAYSIA !!!

@aziz9488 Ай бұрын

this please 🥲

@MuhdAkmalyoyoman90 Ай бұрын

Please ship to Malaysia

@user-28qhfk65 Ай бұрын

Pls

@vanish3408 Ай бұрын

Is there any chance for an ARM Framework in the future?

@niauwu 2 күн бұрын

Is there a full height size arrow key?

@techofebd Ай бұрын

The Nix package manager BTW!

@NotoriousArnav Ай бұрын

I use Arch Btw Could not resist to say but I recompiled my kernel for the 3rd time!

@revemb4653 Ай бұрын

Need the option to have UWUbuntu pre installed

@FluffyPuppyKasey Ай бұрын

I usually run Fedora on my PCs. I wanna get a Framework laptop but right now I'm not even able to afford food half the time

@zero3juan Ай бұрын

Please, Framework, I need you in South Africa 😢