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Framing Double-Stud Walls

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Transfer the layout, and frame the openings a little bigger-just in case
We learned earlier from Ben and his crew how to frame basic exterior walls using 2x4s. It may have seemed like a low bar on the energy efficiency scale, but that is because the house will have 12-inch thick walls, using a double-wall approach.
When your walls are a foot thick, you don’t need to use 2x6s or exterior insulation.
Because. Your. Walls. Are. Twelve-inches. Thick.
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@benjaminpohl
@benjaminpohl 4 жыл бұрын
This guy is my hero. For a couple taps of the hammer, he takes the time to put in ear protection. Sound advice for anyone who wants to be able to hear into their later years.
@paulmaxwell8851
@paulmaxwell8851 4 жыл бұрын
Yes! Take care of your hearing, guys!
@SavedByFaithInJesus
@SavedByFaithInJesus 4 жыл бұрын
WHAT?!
@duncanevy
@duncanevy 4 жыл бұрын
Guy is an efficient and amazing carpenter. And yes taking care of your hearing is a big deal. However I would much rather go deaf than lose my eyes. He never once put on safety glasses. I would be using both.
@ChipVorhies
@ChipVorhies 4 жыл бұрын
And let's not forget a 👷......lol
@duncanevy
@duncanevy 3 жыл бұрын
@timothy chung I have scratched my eye twice. Not from not wearing glasses but just bad luck. It hurts like hell. Law or no law I'm wearing them. I don't even realize they are there now.
@edsmith4414
@edsmith4414 4 жыл бұрын
Wife and I built our house like this in 1984. Double 2x4 with a 1 inch air space between. Outside studs 24" OC, inside 16"OC. Only place the touch is the top, where I used a 9" strip of 3/4" plywood all down the walls. Good way to go back then. We did it because I felled some of the timber on our place and milled it, so lumber cost was very little. Both walls filled with fiberglass insulation we got for free from a local water heater plant.....they took back the old heaters under warranty that failed and had a place out back that stripped them down...sheet metal in one pile, thermostats/wire in another, etc. The fiberglass insulation (used at that time) they would bag up in huge plastic bags and you could get it for free. I'd stop by every time I was in town and haul 2 bags home (all that would fit in my truck), stick in the loft of our barn for the house build. Stuffed it in the walls, then used 6mil plastic for a vapor barrier. We've just started a remodel of the master bathroom. Pulled all that insulation out (took 20 of the large black contractor type trash bags to hold it). I'll be spraying 2-3" foam this time on the outer wall, then re-pack the insulation and plastic vapor barrier again. Good for the rest of my lifetime and then some !
@vanderumd11
@vanderumd11 4 жыл бұрын
Careful with the spray foam. Always hear about chemistry of them not being the best
@edsmith4414
@edsmith4414 3 жыл бұрын
@@vanderumd11 Used Dow Froth Pack....turned out fine I think. One thing of note was the Tyvek used on the exterior of the wall. Stuff was ALL TO PIECES ! What few scraps of it remained whole, you could tear like tissue paper....something not possible when new. So "wonderful" Tyvek doesn't hold up over the long term. Back to 30# felt.
@johncahill3018
@johncahill3018 4 жыл бұрын
I built my workshop this way ten years ago, in the Arizona high desert (hot summers, cold winters). Although I used glass insulation in both walls. It's not just great for insulation value (I neither heat nor cool) but with a little extra care (sealing seams) I made it virtually soundproof as well. I can run my equipment late at night and the neighbors have no idea. Meanwhile, the house I built out of that shop is a post-and-beam Straw Bale...now that's some insulation!
@jpaulgagner7052
@jpaulgagner7052 4 жыл бұрын
Barney style. Definitely one of the simplest explanations of double-stud framing I've seen. First, you need to know WHY before you learn HOW. It stops us from "cutting corners"
@nataliefitzgerald1927
@nataliefitzgerald1927 3 жыл бұрын
Great video- and thanks for taking the time to try to educate the many nay-sayers who have little experience or knowledge. My house uses one 12,000 BTU heat pump for heating and cooling 1824SF. Double stud walls similar to these described here except I lined the window openings with 1/2" plywood. I did connect the 24" OC 2x4 studs with a plywood gusset every three feet to stiffen up the walls. Straight window openings are lined with white painted plywood extension jambs that fit into the 1/2" "drywall channels" on the Marvin windows. Many people like to sit in the windowsills that are not filled with plants. The talk about rodents is crazy- no way there are any rodents in any house I've ever built! Living in a house with ZERO energy bills plus plenty of kwh to charge electric vehicles is really nice (9.9 kw solar array). Spend the money up front on insulation and solar panels and then never pay for energy for the next 30 years. Dense pack cellulose is fire retardant as you say and makes a really quiet and well insulated house when combined with the 16" loose fill cellulose in the attic. Total insulation bill including fiberglass in the attached garage and all interior walls for sound insulation was $9800.
@justinballard7242
@justinballard7242 2 жыл бұрын
I'm currently building my house. 32x56 pole building with a 2x4 wall framed inside it. 2 inch's of rigid foam glued to the girts and foam sealed to the post. Then 1 layer of r23 mineral wool behind the stud wall but infront of the rigid foam. Then the stud wall gets r15 mineral wool. The trusses are clear span with a 16 inch heal so there will be 16 inch's of cellouse in the attic. It's also got a crawlspace. That same insulation approach is used on the walls down there. With rigid foam on the concrete pad. Basically a continuous layer of insulation from crawlspace floor to ceiling.
@Bluephrog
@Bluephrog 4 жыл бұрын
My brother and I built a house in VT using this technique in 1985. 2800sq’ house 2 floors. One tank of fuel oil heated it for the year. Super insulated and very quiet.
@panamericaco
@panamericaco 4 жыл бұрын
i thought fuel oil was just a german thing, didn't know they also use or used it in the states. here about 50% of houses are heated with fuel oil and the other 50% natural gas
@Bluephrog
@Bluephrog 4 жыл бұрын
Flamewerkz in New England probably 40% of houses and businesses heat with oil, 40% heat with natural gas ( mostly in the cities), 15% use propane and 5% use wood
@Bluephrog
@Bluephrog 4 жыл бұрын
Samwell we built the outside wall with 2x4 and insulated that wall. We also added a 6 m vapor barrier over the insulation. Then we left a 2x4 space which we filled with insulation. We then built the interior wall with 2x4. So there is the insulated outside wall with vapor barrier a 2x4 gap between the outside wall and the inside wall and then the 2x4 inside wall. The inside wall had all the wiring and plumbing needs and the drywall. After 20 years we made some changes to the layout a bit and found no problems what so ever. The house is extremely tight and almost sound proof. Since the gap is 100% insulation there is no heat sink between the inside and outside walls. We also put 30 inches of insulation in the ceiling.
@Wild_Bill57
@Wild_Bill57 3 жыл бұрын
Samwell Also, if you research the building sheathing that they used, it includes a vapor barrier when applied with a fluid or tape seal.
@C.dieslevonankwek7
@C.dieslevonankwek7 3 жыл бұрын
@@Bluephrog that sounds awesome man, could you imagine filling the walls with some new high grade spray foam insulation?
@13579roadrash
@13579roadrash Жыл бұрын
Wow, this is exactly what I was looking for and had planned for my next build. I can not believe this was filmed 3 years ago. It is the first video I have seen on this. I was wondering about the connection between the two walls without sacrificing the thermal transmission. Thanks, exactly what I was looking for.
@HowTo-wd7ic
@HowTo-wd7ic 4 жыл бұрын
I basically built my home 30 years ago in this same fashion it has R42 plus mathematically figured I did many other things as well but for now we will just stick with the wall thickness and insulation factors. It works I live in high elevation area 30 40 bellow is not uncommon I heat 6500 sq.ft for 100 dollars a month year round average. It was all worth the 1/3 more in building cost.
@ed1pk
@ed1pk 4 жыл бұрын
timothy chung he says 1/3 more at the end. Or 33% more than standard.
@HowTo-wd7ic
@HowTo-wd7ic 4 жыл бұрын
This build creates a tank walls stand without bracing, setting joices or trusses on a 11 1/4" top plate has many beneficial factors and is just a thrill to build this way, I lined everything with 2x12 material my home is a fortress, it is like living in a cave totally quiet totally energy-efficient the 1/3 more was just on the framing and insulation materials worth every cent we love our home you can see it at bretbel.com/the-great-exscape
@stevencraig349
@stevencraig349 4 жыл бұрын
This video was jam packed with know-how. I love the time you took for the cad drawings. You should have 100k subscribers. Well you just got another one.
@ProTradeCraft
@ProTradeCraft 3 жыл бұрын
Wow, thank you!
@MegsCarpentry-lovedogs
@MegsCarpentry-lovedogs Жыл бұрын
Dang! This man is a quality carpenter, OCD, belt and suspenders sort of fella, integrity in his work, great attitude and super smart! 👍💯 🇨🇦🍁
@ProTradeCraft
@ProTradeCraft Жыл бұрын
That's why we follow him around!
@MegsCarpentry-lovedogs
@MegsCarpentry-lovedogs Жыл бұрын
@@ProTradeCraft Well worth the travels with this fella! 👍 🇨🇦
@kevindouglas2060
@kevindouglas2060 4 жыл бұрын
I did this many year's ago but we always offset the studs so the edges of the insulation wouldn't align. Less heat loss along the edge of the studs. We put bat type unfaced insulation toward the outside of course the studs in the middle (offset 8 inches) helped hold them in place. Then we put standard 3 1/2" faced insulation on the innermost framing. We did the windows in a way similar to what you did it but we were also required to put a fire stop at the top of the wall.
@ProTradeCraft
@ProTradeCraft 4 жыл бұрын
These walls were blown with cellulose insulation, so no edges to align at all.
@MegsCarpentry-lovedogs
@MegsCarpentry-lovedogs Жыл бұрын
Gotta love that Zip sheathing, Zip flash tape and Zip stretch tape! Here in Canada we have another brand which is more accessible. The Zip R sheathing with polyiso does not do as well here thermally as rigid foam here in Zone 7, Canada. I wonder if they will change the Zip R to rigid foam instead??? Thank you for the detail and work to edit this helpful Video! Long live our houses, Steve Baczek, architect and guest on Risingers The build Show. ☺🇨🇦
@shopart1488
@shopart1488 4 жыл бұрын
I’m in the insulation business. Heat loss is normally figured 5% floor, 20-25% wall, 70-75% ceiling. With waste of natural resources and interior square footage I don’t understand this system of framing. I would put the money in ceiling insulation and Geo heat.
@ProTradeCraft
@ProTradeCraft 4 жыл бұрын
sounds like you live in a cooling climate. This house is in Maine.
@ProTradeCraft
@ProTradeCraft 4 жыл бұрын
Most heat loss in houses is through the ceiling or roof due to air leaks, not a preference of heat to go up instead of sideways. Heat flows from more to less. If the ceiling is R-100 and the walls are R-1, the house will be very cold. A cardboard box with a foam lid will not keep your beer cold.
@talshaharfamily
@talshaharfamily 4 жыл бұрын
@ProTradeCraft I'm an energy auditor and Inspector in the weatherization industry, I do this for a living. You're correct. 2nd law of thermodynamics says that hot will go to where it's cold, and high pressure to where it is low pressure: Energy wants equilibrium. That being the case, if your walls are R1 (hypothetically) heat will transfer faster through that area rather than the ceiling. The stack effect DOES come into play also in that heat DOES leave towards the ceiling BUT with R100 in your example, it is greatly reduced. We're in Central Minnesota, experiencing -30F every so often. How would you be able to densepack this 12" wall with the massive void in the middle? Densepacking with cellulose is ideal and cost effective . . . also, would you spray foam instead? What are the options for the insulation? Nice work! Thanks!
@hughmarcus1
@hughmarcus1 4 жыл бұрын
In some areas of the world there is a requirement to have greater than 6”. However this is very wasteful. If you want greater than 6” there’s several better ways. In Ireland (where I am) it’s not uncommon to add a 2 or 3” layer to the outside of the frame. Other options would be to use a 9” stud (that’s my house). If you want 12” (like my roof) use a 12” (300mm) I beam.
@justinlynch6691
@justinlynch6691 9 ай бұрын
R value is a far bigger factor than Delta T and Delta T is very much overestimated and can be mitigated with something as simple as a fan. Statements like you just made reflects what's wrong with the construction industry.
@lsandk3
@lsandk3 4 жыл бұрын
I built my house with double 2x4 walls lined up the framing like shown here then used cardboard to connect the inner and outer studs together to make cells. Then blew in fiberglass using the bibs system and ended up with an r50. Also used triple pane windows and don't have any concrete touching the ground, I used high density styrofoam under the footings and wrapped the sides with styrofoam as well.
@cdjhyoung
@cdjhyoung 4 жыл бұрын
Isandke3 - where are you building to make this a reasonable investment of materials? I live in Michigan and we are borderline as far as payback goes on this type of building.
@lsandk3
@lsandk3 4 жыл бұрын
Alaska
@PNW_Sportbike_Life
@PNW_Sportbike_Life 3 жыл бұрын
Super good for fighting sound transfer as well!
@IppiopaidFEEDBACK
@IppiopaidFEEDBACK 4 жыл бұрын
A couple good tips here. Especially the router, never thought of that!
@jamesduke4957
@jamesduke4957 4 жыл бұрын
i once used a chainsaw to cut windows out .....lol
@gregarioussolitudinist5695
@gregarioussolitudinist5695 4 жыл бұрын
That is VERY DIFFERENT and I want to see MORE.
@markpalmer5311
@markpalmer5311 5 жыл бұрын
Much better! Really like the fluid applied flashing.
@je-fq7ve
@je-fq7ve 4 жыл бұрын
I learned on double wall construction you frame the exterior wall for exterior sheathing layout. On the interior you do layout for sheet rock. It is laid out for best sheetrock layout not stud layout for the plywood. We also offset them, putting them parallel creates cold spots from nearby thermal bridging. Also, I think there is a lot to be gained from splaying the interior walls and turning the sills into friendly places to sit against. For top performance sliding pocket door can fit in the window spaces for thermal protection at night or extreme weather. Nice work
@cdjhyoung
@cdjhyoung 4 жыл бұрын
j e - What do you mean by 'splaying the interior walls'?
@je-fq7ve
@je-fq7ve 4 жыл бұрын
@@cdjhyoung Most, Window jambs are square to the window. With double wall construction you can splay the wall out from square to say 45 degrees. It lets a surprising amount of light into the room compared to 90 degree jambs.
@cdjhyoung
@cdjhyoung 4 жыл бұрын
@@je-fq7ve Got it. Like the musket openings they built into fortress walls in the 1700's.
@je-fq7ve
@je-fq7ve 4 жыл бұрын
@@cdjhyoung Yes it is a good description. It gives some unique looking windows. I have also built sliding panels in the wall to cover up the windows at night for energy conservation. Double wall gives lots of options
@johns.1940
@johns.1940 Жыл бұрын
@@je-fq7ve Great Idea. Thanks for the tip
@bobjohnson2091
@bobjohnson2091 4 жыл бұрын
Designed and built our 2 story home in 1985 in Illinois with double stud walls + brick exterior = 18” thick. Plus 2” blueboard around entire basement 8’ deep capped by custom aluminum cover angle between brick ledge and bricks. $50/month gas bill average year round for 3800 sq ft home.
@FrankGutowski-ls8jt
@FrankGutowski-ls8jt 4 жыл бұрын
There’s a YT video of a Philly row house showing installation of an R40 outside wall. As I recall they used a PE vapor barrier. Built the wall on the floor, then tilted it up. Basically the same idea but with more space between the outer and inner framing. They also used taped-off green foam board sheathing.
@drizzt13dourden
@drizzt13dourden 4 жыл бұрын
Fascinating stuff. I never put much thought into what it takes to build a quality home and the professionalism it takes. Good stuff, good vid, good job!!!
@chrisg2779
@chrisg2779 4 жыл бұрын
Whack the framing to show it who's the boss. These videos are great.
@danallen578
@danallen578 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Pro TradeCraft!! Love your videos
@redsquirrelftw
@redsquirrelftw 4 жыл бұрын
With a beard like that you know the guy is a good construction worker!
@tacticalant3841
@tacticalant3841 3 жыл бұрын
Love the dry humor inserted👍
@DanielZajic
@DanielZajic 3 жыл бұрын
What are the benefits of this approach vs using a thick layer of exterior insulation? The latter seems just as good of not better thermally, and I assume less expensive because of less framing material and labor. I am designing my new home, and was planning to use 2x6 with closed cell spray foam and maybe 4-6" exterior insulation.
@jimh4167
@jimh4167 2 жыл бұрын
There is a break in the thermos transmitted through the lumber
@MegsCarpentry-lovedogs
@MegsCarpentry-lovedogs Жыл бұрын
@@jimh4167 Yes, but with 4 to 6 exterior insulation that allows for a lot of thermal bridging already, so the next fact collection through testing is which gives the best thermal break affect?🇨🇦
@platonfoucault1087
@platonfoucault1087 4 жыл бұрын
Good job with the framing, I’ll reproduce it
@terrybyrd5105
@terrybyrd5105 4 жыл бұрын
Amazing what I've done with 2x6 exterior walls with stock fiberglass insulation. Insulate floor, walls, and ceiling, and 'voila', I only need three electric space heaters for a 1,000 sqft home. Once warm, my house will stay warm down to an average 20°f for two to three days without cycling the heaters but about hourly. I set the heaters for high heat/low thermostat (=short cycle). If I need a little extra heat, I switch to low heat/high thermostat (= long cycle). Sometimes I run my ceiling fans to keep the heat off the (9ft) ceilings - yet I still save big bucks over a central heating system wrapped in an envelope house. Some insulation tech (or whoever) will probably claim it's impossible, but it works for me!
@ProTradeCraft
@ProTradeCraft 4 жыл бұрын
You must have done a good job with air sealing.
@mitchellkasdin1899
@mitchellkasdin1899 4 жыл бұрын
Nice clean work.
@Lambo6fo
@Lambo6fo 4 жыл бұрын
That must be one quiet house
@davewillis6946
@davewillis6946 Жыл бұрын
Has anyone used a 2" x 3" inside wall? Less thermal bridge, more room for insulation. Any pitfalls to this variation?
@percival23
@percival23 3 жыл бұрын
Any additional cost or lost square footage ...what is that compared to the security & insulating piece of mind you get from having a double wall house. I for one would sleep like a baby knowing this house has double the structural integrity than any other house on the block.
@waveoflight
@waveoflight 4 жыл бұрын
Credit to your editor from 5:44 to 6:03. He edited at the exact point of completion of a full cut out. Using a transition which simulated the ply falling in on camera. I jumped a little.
@danielmorrison-editor
@danielmorrison-editor 4 жыл бұрын
Thank You!
@eggyolkeo6422
@eggyolkeo6422 4 жыл бұрын
In New Mexico they use this method and use alfalfa as insulation.
@tb129tlh
@tb129tlh 4 жыл бұрын
Is alfalfa mold and insect resistant? Or is it treated with something like boron?
@justintrussell7739
@justintrussell7739 4 жыл бұрын
Great video!
@petermccracken2247
@petermccracken2247 4 жыл бұрын
Great Video ! I am planning on building , using a similar idea . Using 2 walls, built with 2x6 , with a 1/2 inch gap in-between, than using a 2x12 for my top plate. My way is more work involved . My studs will be staggered , - exterior wall studs to accommodate exterior sheeting, interior studs to accommodate drywall sheeting. Using a rock-wool insulation, should give a little better than a R-50 in the walls. I would like to see how you insulated your walls. I will subscribe !
@cdjhyoung
@cdjhyoung 4 жыл бұрын
Peter - Do you need the 2x6 stud for a structural load? The 2x4 doubled up walls illustrated here will yield the same R value in the wall (possibly a higher R value) while using less structural materials at a slightly lesser cost than the 2x6 framing you are suggesting.
@ProTradeCraft
@ProTradeCraft 4 жыл бұрын
agree
@ProTradeCraft
@ProTradeCraft 4 жыл бұрын
There is no need to drill holes for wiring. Run the wire between the walls. Please stop spamming this feed with insulated stud comments.
@victoreous626
@victoreous626 4 жыл бұрын
Why not stagger the wall for added strength? And.....Why not 2x6's with the inner and outer walls butted together in a staggered format?
@cdoublejj
@cdoublejj 4 жыл бұрын
that would be cool to see!
@kamalakrsna
@kamalakrsna 4 жыл бұрын
that's what I'm wondering... that's what I'd done
@wind5250
@wind5250 4 жыл бұрын
I was gonna say the same thing, this uses way to much lumber and time.
@ProTradeCraft
@ProTradeCraft 4 жыл бұрын
There are a lot of ways to frame a double wall. If the plate is more narrow than two 2x4s, 7 inches, then you'd need to stagger the studs. These walls are 12 inches thick, so there is no reason to stagger the studs, and if you do, it makes the layout process slower and more prone to errors.
@MetaView7
@MetaView7 4 жыл бұрын
I love this energy-efficient stuff!
@Rookbird-12248
@Rookbird-12248 Жыл бұрын
What is a good book that goes in depth into this construction technique?
@Chris_at_Home
@Chris_at_Home 3 жыл бұрын
I built double stud walls and laid my plates for the the interior and exterior wall at the same time.
@platonfoucault1087
@platonfoucault1087 4 жыл бұрын
Most people in comment section obviously do not live up north like in Montreal and obviously never researched anything about passivhaus
@Ali-7676
@Ali-7676 3 жыл бұрын
wonder what the r value was when it was all complete.
@krabenaldt7605
@krabenaldt7605 4 жыл бұрын
A lot of material and labor and lost square footage. Seems there would be a better system than this.
@IndigoMystik
@IndigoMystik 4 жыл бұрын
Straw Bale
@ProTradeCraft
@ProTradeCraft 3 жыл бұрын
There is no lost square footage, only a smaller yard. The living space at the end of the project is exactly what it is on the plans.
@ProTradeCraft
@ProTradeCraft 3 жыл бұрын
@@IndigoMystik Straw bale is another way to build a thick-wall house.
@IndigoMystik
@IndigoMystik 3 жыл бұрын
@@ProTradeCraft In my opinion straw bale is superior but that's because I believe it would be less expensive for materials, and more environmentally friendly.
@psalm23sheepdog
@psalm23sheepdog 3 жыл бұрын
The idea isn’t to build a thick wall, it’s to have a dead air space with very limited material touching each other. The energy saving can be amazing!! This is not a new technique, but finally getting recognized for incredible energy saving potential. Cold air transfers through building materials regardless how thick, but with this method, only the windows and doors are touching both walls, therefore drastically limiting heat loss and cold infiltration. It’s worth your time to research this concept.
@user-bc1zo2ij2d
@user-bc1zo2ij2d 9 ай бұрын
Any chance you can help me understand how the interior framed wall is fastened to the subfloor and roof rafters? Much appreciated!
@ProTradeCraft
@ProTradeCraft 7 ай бұрын
Interior wall is nailed down into the floor framing and up into the perpendicular ceiling joists. On the two walls that the joists are parallel, use blocking.
@rexsheeley8177
@rexsheeley8177 4 жыл бұрын
well presented video
@ItsAllAboutBrandon
@ItsAllAboutBrandon 4 жыл бұрын
Is the double stud to break the thermal bridge? If so, then why would you allow a window buck to be installed without using any foam to separate the OSB from the studs?
@cdjhyoung
@cdjhyoung 4 жыл бұрын
The thermal transmission along the OSB in the window buck is negligible compared to the thermal loss the window is going to contribute. Working to eliminate this minor thermal bridge may be cost ineffective.
@cdoublejj
@cdoublejj 4 жыл бұрын
i'd honestly probably assume i'd rather not rely on foam between wood layers but, such fear is not entirely factually founded so to speak as its not load bearing
@ProTradeCraft
@ProTradeCraft 4 жыл бұрын
It is a minor thermal bridge, yes.
@OldAndGettingOlder
@OldAndGettingOlder 2 жыл бұрын
I believe the double wall is the best insulated wall. I also like the inset door and window look it provides.
@bigrig8767
@bigrig8767 4 жыл бұрын
You should offset, your interior studs. Virtually eliminates all thermal bridging.
@Gumdaar1
@Gumdaar1 4 жыл бұрын
The air gap between the studs eliminate any of the thermal bridging you describe. Makes very little difference if they align or not - but greatly complicates the installation, and staggering shorter span walls with several king posts (doors/windows) would add cost in materials.
@DetailEnthusiast
@DetailEnthusiast 4 жыл бұрын
I just want to learn how to put two pieces of wood together. 😳
@sammiller2637
@sammiller2637 3 жыл бұрын
Duct tape
@SkypowerwithKarl
@SkypowerwithKarl 4 жыл бұрын
Wow, can you imagine how much energy would be saved with 12” walls?
@MichaelBrown-vq4fd
@MichaelBrown-vq4fd 2 жыл бұрын
I’m not a construction guy and have never even used a table saw, but how is he supposed to add drywall or plywood to the load bearing wall with the double wall a few inches away? Then he has to put drywall on the backside of the double wall, that too seems problematic to me. What am I missing?
@ProTradeCraft
@ProTradeCraft 2 жыл бұрын
the cavity will be filled with insulation. The drywall goes on the innermost face of the framing, just like it would in a single wall application.
@vincecapo5653
@vincecapo5653 4 жыл бұрын
This is a good idea. California uses title 24 rules for insulation and r value calculations. You need r 22 plus in so cal, not Maine even
@johntrim7169
@johntrim7169 4 жыл бұрын
Well, that was fun. Even better, it made good sense and I learned a few things. I'm subscribing.
@ProTradeCraft
@ProTradeCraft 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@shure46
@shure46 4 жыл бұрын
well that is certainly a great way to build a house ...... IF YOU ARE A MILLIONAIRE !!!!!! ......
@luie92114
@luie92114 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah what a waste of material there's so many other ways you can insulate this home.
@shure46
@shure46 4 жыл бұрын
@@luie92114 .... this is no home for "average joe" that's for sure .... and definitely wasting trees big time !!!!!
@ProTradeCraft
@ProTradeCraft 4 жыл бұрын
This is totally flawed logic. If you are super rich, you can afford to dump energy out of your house. If you are broke like the rest of us, an energy bill that is half of what we expect (or lower) is welcome because it means we can actually put money in our retirement accounts. There are a lot of multifamily Passive House (PHIUS) buildings made as affordable housing. The cost to build better is about 3% more, the savings are tremendous, and the Net Operating Income of the building owner is higher because the vacancy rate is lower and they can charge slightly more per unit, and still stay under the affordable threshold. Money spent today on energy efficiency costs the same forever. Energy that you need to buy to put in your furnace always gets more expensive.
@ProTradeCraft
@ProTradeCraft 4 жыл бұрын
There are, indeed many ways to insulate a home. We have tons of videos showing exterior foam insulation and air sealing details. This is ONE way to superinsulate a house. It is low tech and it uses cheap materials (2x4s and cellulose).
@ProTradeCraft
@ProTradeCraft 4 жыл бұрын
If you want to talk about wasting trees, be sure to amortize them over the life of the building. We see McMansions rot to the ground pretty quickly because some builders do not bother with best practice details.
@carlmanis879
@carlmanis879 4 жыл бұрын
now close in the top and bottom space with 3/4 plywood then with pieces cut 1 foot long cover every other foot with the plywood. This would leave room for electrical and plumbing and insulation make the double wall act as one wall. You would have joist for walls and joist for connecting your joist or rafters to. This would be for someone that wanted to make their hose laugh at 100 mph wind and labor or materials and cost was not a factor. Just a dream house.
@jimh4167
@jimh4167 2 жыл бұрын
Are the top plates tied together as a fire block
@ProTradeCraft
@ProTradeCraft 2 жыл бұрын
yes
@rapfreak7797
@rapfreak7797 4 жыл бұрын
Great work but why not put an angle on the bottom buck rather than the angled piece in the next video?
@ProTradeCraft
@ProTradeCraft 4 жыл бұрын
That's a valid approach. Sometimes it is hard to get knucklehead framers to do details like that and it is just easier to have a few pieces of bevel siding handy.
@albertopmp2
@albertopmp2 4 жыл бұрын
Building a house inside of another house 🤔
@joshh828
@joshh828 4 жыл бұрын
Until the energy bills come in... Then $aving$
@joecnc3341
@joecnc3341 2 жыл бұрын
What is the plan for what type of insulation you are going to use?
@NMcCauley
@NMcCauley 6 ай бұрын
How did you insulate this double wall, fiberglass batts ?
@ProTradeCraft
@ProTradeCraft 5 ай бұрын
cellulose. NOT fiberglass batts--or any batts. the wall id about 12 inches deep at this point and batts are not gonna do it. You need to FILL that wall with insulation.
@garyheaton4791
@garyheaton4791 3 жыл бұрын
Great concept, and video!! You do top of the line work as well. I am just wondering how much EXTRA it costs to double wall everything that meets an outside wall?? It would have to cost a TON, then add in the extra insulation and hardware, that's got to be the better part of building a second home. I would think anyway. If you added up all that money, then deducted that from your fuel costs over however long you plan to live there..is the savings really enough to off set the extra materials and labor it costs to build it?? Or, if you sell it, will you recoup enough to cover your upgrade costs? I'm just wondering..I'm not taking away anything from your design or workmanship. So please don't be offended. I just figured that you would have a list off all these figures that maybe we can see, if it's not to personal sir. Thanks again for the video..it's great!!😁😁
@ProTradeCraft
@ProTradeCraft 3 жыл бұрын
Cellulose is cheap, and the price you pay for it stays the same. Energy costs go up every year. So your savings go up as time goes by. Investing in energy efficiency pays dividends forever. Cutting corners pays dividends once.
@ronsmith7739
@ronsmith7739 3 жыл бұрын
There is no seam sealer on the bottom plate, not good. Other than this, double stud walls is great idea. I like to use thick rock wall !!!
@nunyabidness5135
@nunyabidness5135 4 жыл бұрын
Where is this located and what is the r-value goal? Pink? Rock wool? Sprayed in? Looks to be a passive design, but beyond the scope and budget of most.
@ProTradeCraft
@ProTradeCraft 4 жыл бұрын
It is in southern Maine. The cavities are filled with cellulose, approximately R-50 or so.
@vanderumd11
@vanderumd11 4 жыл бұрын
R-50.. my clients would cry 10k in insulation lol
@vanderumd11
@vanderumd11 Жыл бұрын
@James Karrie what percentage of people live in a house for decades lol
@user-qq2qj3mx1w
@user-qq2qj3mx1w Жыл бұрын
great work
@dandonna852
@dandonna852 4 жыл бұрын
Can do A video on floating walls floating ceilings and floating floor for home theater room?
@wildmanofthewynooch7028
@wildmanofthewynooch7028 4 жыл бұрын
2x6 exterior framing works just fine.
@lukei6255
@lukei6255 4 жыл бұрын
Use triple brick walls and double glazing in windows. That will keep you warm in the winter. We do that in North Europe. Your method is suitable for little weekender used only in the summer for few days.
@ProTradeCraft
@ProTradeCraft 4 жыл бұрын
triple brick walls are not a thermal break, they are a thermal autobahn. Double glazed windows are the minimum here. They are nothing to brag about.
@bogdanresume
@bogdanresume 4 жыл бұрын
What if a fire breaks out between the walls?
@ProTradeCraft
@ProTradeCraft 4 жыл бұрын
The wall cavity is full of cellulose insulation.
@huntera123
@huntera123 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing. Very interesting.
@ProTradeCraft
@ProTradeCraft 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you think so!
@CoinOnTheCob
@CoinOnTheCob 4 жыл бұрын
There’s no fire blocking between inner and outer wall?
@stevelopez372
@stevelopez372 4 жыл бұрын
Dennis Moncrief Nope, but is it Building Code requirement for single family dwellings or carpentry practice?
@CoinOnTheCob
@CoinOnTheCob 4 жыл бұрын
Steve, I just fled California, a state that has some of the most stringent building codes in the nation. I think that’s where I went wrong.
@ProTradeCraft
@ProTradeCraft 4 жыл бұрын
Borate-treated cellulose will be dense-packed into the cavity.
@jkprops
@jkprops 4 жыл бұрын
Thats a lot of wood that most homeowners cant afford i live in a metal building with a 12” post and beam foundation and metal siding then a 2x4 wall and sheet rock it can be 95 outside but it will be 70 inside with no AC. Simple a less money
@Meop79
@Meop79 4 жыл бұрын
Homeowners pay tens of thousands in interest but won't pay a couple extra thousand in materials when it will dramatically reduce their energy costs... because... stupid.
@trevorp875
@trevorp875 4 жыл бұрын
@@Meop79 I agree.... at 2.50 a piece(that's kind of expensive), 1000 2x4's are only 2,500 dollars. I know it's more to frame but in the scheme of a 500k home, 25,000 for materials and extra cost to frame isn't anything for insane savings. Spend $500 a month on heat to drop it to $250 a month. Pays itself off in 100 months. That's 8.3 years..... you'll be paying for your house a lot longer than that which means every month after that is saving you money to use elsewhere. Edit: spelling errors.
@Meop79
@Meop79 4 жыл бұрын
@@trevorp875 exactly
@ProTradeCraft
@ProTradeCraft 4 жыл бұрын
Sounds like you live in a place where AC is more prevalent than heating. Radiant barriers can do a lot in hot climates. A lot less in cold climates, unless you are building an ice rink, which have radiant barriers on the ceiling to keep the ice cold. The homeowners chose this builder because he is one of the best in the state at high performance building. His experience got him a lucrative construction project.
@ProTradeCraft
@ProTradeCraft 4 жыл бұрын
Agree, but your argument ignores the fact that energy gets more expensive. The payoff is probably quicker, and then it is money in your pocket every month.
@randallmason9687
@randallmason9687 4 жыл бұрын
Very cool! How do You insulate the ceiling/roof? I have a 1970s house in South Carolina. I would like to envelope the house. Any advice would be greatly appreciated!!
@RexMoore1984
@RexMoore1984 2 жыл бұрын
Why copy the stud location? It would provide a thermal conduit thru the insulation barrier. The would provides a conduit for cold to transfer inside the house.
@jelsner5077
@jelsner5077 3 жыл бұрын
I'd like to see how to frame the inner wall a little larger so the sides taper in, like on an older house.
@Nobody-U-Want-2-Know
@Nobody-U-Want-2-Know 4 жыл бұрын
What a wonderful run/home you’ve made for the rats and mice...
@mdevidograndpacificlumbera1539
@mdevidograndpacificlumbera1539 4 жыл бұрын
You got that right!!!
@ProTradeCraft
@ProTradeCraft 4 жыл бұрын
All framed houses are vast 3-dimensional networks for rodents if the builder isn't detailed enough to keep them out. Making a house more energy efficient does not affect that equation, except that the builder is probably more detailed and better at keeping rodents out of his buildings.
@mdevidograndpacificlumbera1539
@mdevidograndpacificlumbera1539 4 жыл бұрын
@@ProTradeCraft yes and no- a traditionally framed house doesn't allow rodents to travel because the cavities between studs are sealed. Usually you'll have a entry, and they'll live only in that particular area between studs. Unless they get in through the roof, then in that case they'll have run of the entire attic. In this case, two separate walls and an abundance of insulation (bedding) have created an incredible amount of space for them to inhabit. I don't understand this infatuation modern builders have with R-value. Theres a point of diminishing returns in the quest for the perfect thermally sealed house.
@Nobody-U-Want-2-Know
@Nobody-U-Want-2-Know 4 жыл бұрын
Martin DeVido exactly right!
@RickGrimes807
@RickGrimes807 5 жыл бұрын
So is the bottom line that it would cost less to use a 2x4 double wall approach instead of the usual 2x6 simple wall with exterior insulation?
@ProTradeCraft
@ProTradeCraft 5 жыл бұрын
That is not the bottom line that we intended to get across. It MAY be cheaper, depending on who is doing the work. It is a LOT more wood and a LOT of cellulose insulation. Adding foam to the outside is not as tricky as screwing through four inches of foam and hitting a stud. Double stud walls are one way to do superinsulation. See some exterior foam stuff here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bsqKp7WKuNXZmmw.html and here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/Y69zpqiFt73Kn6s.html
@WayneWatson1
@WayneWatson1 4 жыл бұрын
Double walls are killer on fire fighting. Less efficient also. No need for all of that if you use zip r-sheathing for a thermal break to begin with.
@ProTradeCraft
@ProTradeCraft 4 жыл бұрын
Exterior foam insulation is another way to go, and we have a lot of videos on that, with innie windows, outie windows, and in-betweenie windows. Double walls ate absolutely a valid option for superinsuilation. Not sure how it is worse for firefighters, though as foam is much more flammable than borate-treated cellulose dense-packed into the cavities.
@jeffweneck1456
@jeffweneck1456 3 жыл бұрын
Building inspectors in my area would go nuts. No firestop once it breaks into that cavity.
@danielmorrison-editor
@danielmorrison-editor 3 жыл бұрын
Insulation packed into stud cavities is a firestop.
@jeffweneck1456
@jeffweneck1456 3 жыл бұрын
No, rock wool is even frowned on around the Cincinnati area. It is allowed in limited quantities. I worked on an A-frame in N Kentucky with a similar set up. I had to install 1/2 plywood at the top of the wall and every 8 ft on the vertices. Then caulk all of the seems with red firestorm caulk. Thats just one of many examples. It would be a No go from the start
@ProTradeCraft
@ProTradeCraft 3 жыл бұрын
@@jeffweneck1456 Here's an animation of the wall section showing the plywood cap: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gZhlh5mryNW3aWg.html The walls are not taller than 8-ft. Thanks for watching
@nancyjonutt5400
@nancyjonutt5400 3 жыл бұрын
What is liquid flashing?
@kawkvulcan500
@kawkvulcan500 2 жыл бұрын
Has anyone done the math on this build style? Is it worth the extra expense and the loss of sq ft?
@MD-cd7em
@MD-cd7em 4 жыл бұрын
GOOD VIDEO..
@ProTradeCraft
@ProTradeCraft 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@rpowell751
@rpowell751 4 жыл бұрын
When you set the bucks in the window, why is ONLY attached to the outer framing?
@danielmorrison-editor
@danielmorrison-editor 4 жыл бұрын
Because the opening in the inner framing is a quarter-inch larger on each side.
@rpowell751
@rpowell751 4 жыл бұрын
No I understand that. What I saw in the video, it looked like the buck that he set was sitting a couple millimeters above the inner framing.
@patriccrigler7981
@patriccrigler7981 4 жыл бұрын
Wheres the treated wood on top of concrete
@howardlovecraft750
@howardlovecraft750 4 жыл бұрын
Good eye.
@patriccrigler7981
@patriccrigler7981 4 жыл бұрын
@@howardlovecraft750 right!
@ProTradeCraft
@ProTradeCraft 4 жыл бұрын
It is on top of the concrete, under the floor framing. The black material you see on the floor in the video is a rubber mat that is protecting the finished 2nd floor (tongue and groove 2x6 fir that spans wide beams and is visible from below)
@ultron6931
@ultron6931 4 жыл бұрын
Could there be any rodent issues with that much space between walls?
@donkehmcdonkey3703
@donkehmcdonkey3703 4 жыл бұрын
Potentially, but that whole spaceis going to be filled with insulation, so there wont be loads of free space per say
@thatguy4234
@thatguy4234 4 жыл бұрын
Donkeh McDonkey lol rodents make tunnels in insulation it’s actually one of their most preferred spaces
@ultron6931
@ultron6931 4 жыл бұрын
@@thatguy4234 All of the blown in insulation in my house was full of rodent holes! Only way to combat them spreading is to physically block the walls but even then they chew threw stuff.
@rsmith02
@rsmith02 Ай бұрын
@@thatguy4234 Can they get through dense-packed cellulose? How do they get in in the first place if it's well-sealed?
@bwillan
@bwillan 4 жыл бұрын
Why wasn't the the wall system framed with advanced framing techniques? No need from a structure point of view to frame 16" on center. 24" is more than sufficient. Allows for more insulation in the wall because of less wood framing members.
@ProTradeCraft
@ProTradeCraft 4 жыл бұрын
Because the exterior bearing walls are 2x4, they used 16-inch centers. They could have done a new layout for the interior walls, but it really wasn't worth the trouble to save a handful of studs.
@rsahadi1975
@rsahadi1975 3 жыл бұрын
What is done about insulation with this type of wall?
@ProTradeCraft
@ProTradeCraft 3 жыл бұрын
Blown cellulose or fiberglass.
@mrahim826
@mrahim826 4 жыл бұрын
Eight penny clamps? Is that a new term for nails?
@ProTradeCraft
@ProTradeCraft 4 жыл бұрын
:)
@ameyers67
@ameyers67 3 жыл бұрын
The window bucks on the sides and top seem a bit pointless.
@ProTradeCraft
@ProTradeCraft 3 жыл бұрын
Air barrier, insulation stop...
@djadoyotso
@djadoyotso 4 жыл бұрын
Who’s the builder? Would love to contact them.
@ProTradeCraft
@ProTradeCraft 4 жыл бұрын
Kolbert Building, Portland, Maine
@citizeng7959
@citizeng7959 3 жыл бұрын
Do they build two roofs as well?
@ProTradeCraft
@ProTradeCraft 3 жыл бұрын
No need to -- just use raised-heel trusses and blow tons of cellulose into the attic.
@803mastiff9
@803mastiff9 4 жыл бұрын
Plus Double Layer Drywall.
@farmfitnesspham4913
@farmfitnesspham4913 4 жыл бұрын
What is the purpose of double stud wall
@ProTradeCraft
@ProTradeCraft 4 жыл бұрын
To save tons of energy, to improve comfort tremendously, to keep the house warm during ice storms and power outages.
@stephenpyle6102
@stephenpyle6102 4 жыл бұрын
Could have used Tstuds to avoid thermal bridging.
@fernarias
@fernarias 3 жыл бұрын
What a waste of wood. They make insulated 2x6s or you can just insulate between the studs and the sheathing.
@luketein7965
@luketein7965 4 жыл бұрын
A plastic speed square then a festool tracksaw that funny
@ProTradeCraft
@ProTradeCraft 4 жыл бұрын
I give him shit about that plastic speed square every time I visit one of his sites.
@mitchdenner9743
@mitchdenner9743 4 жыл бұрын
Thats what you call being penny wise and dollar stupid.
@chrisshy8765
@chrisshy8765 3 жыл бұрын
2021 lumber prices: “lol”
@ProTradeCraft
@ProTradeCraft 3 жыл бұрын
There are a lot of comments about lumber prices. Lumber is paid for exactly one time. The energy required to heat and cool a structure is paid for every day for the rest of the life of the building. After a building is complete, energy costs are THE biggest cost associated with that building. Energy costs go up every year, roughly 6%, whereas the cost of lumber and insulation once purchased never changes. If the house saves the homeowners $150 in heating this winter, and $160 next winter, and $170 the following winter, did they cover the extra cost of some 2x4s yet? Maybe it takes 5 winters. After that, it is money in the bank. Don't care if your customers spend extra to heat the leaky house you built? Consider that if you're marking up the materials, you can charge more. You make more money, they save more money. At ProTradeCraft we do not care if people choose to build leaky houses. We show people how to build better houses to out-compete the shoddy builders. BTW, all of this energy efficiency stuff is working its way into the code, so SMART builders will look at what's coming up and prepare for it rather than get caught flat-footed by change.
@jeffpurdy2347
@jeffpurdy2347 4 жыл бұрын
I built my house with double 2x4 walls because I had to raise them by myself. I used 16 in spacing on both walls. The outside is sheeted with 1/2 in plywood. The inside with 1/2 in drywall. The walls have some flex in them. I would never do it that way again. 8 inch walls and lifting jacks would have made a stiffer wall. Better yet, earth berm and you have a much better energy efficiency.
@benh9961
@benh9961 3 жыл бұрын
谢谢
@jimmyp7082
@jimmyp7082 4 жыл бұрын
Why not just build it with 2 by 12 from the start instead of 2 by 4. Just wondering
@tylerhewitt2294
@tylerhewitt2294 4 жыл бұрын
Jimmy P 2x12s cost way more than two 2x4s and an air space. Probably easier to run trades this way too instead drilling all the studs.
@matthewsmith8573
@matthewsmith8573 4 жыл бұрын
As Tyler said: cost. Also, wood isn't a very good insulator, so having an "air gap" full of insulation is much more efficient. Not to mention: 2x12s are _heavy_.
@jimmyp7082
@jimmyp7082 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Make s sense
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