I don't blame her. Wanting eight kids NOW is deadly. Back then, even more so. Lady Bridegerton was beyond magically lucky.

Nmms 8 hijos, eso sí es pasarse de verga

Who would tbf

Well, she did almost die that one time.

@@playfulpanthress And even then, Hyacinth's birth nearly killed Violet. That woman's stronger than any other character in the shows

she's like what part of piano forte do you not get? that is the only interest ha.

I read this as they felt predatory to her

@@kimdavies11 that too for sure but also that would just be my answer

well, to be fair, at the time, every "accomplished" girl at the time was supposed to have some skill with the piano. When she said thats what she likes, they probably assumed that she was just another girl who only have the basic skills. They have no way of knowing her expertise

I took it as they wanted to know ”and what else” in terms of skills. Everyone of the time would’ve known a little pianoforte so they probably were looking for her other unique skills

And also ran home to play HIS sheet music AS WELL like girlie your not fooling ANYONE

Carriages be damned, I need to talk to ma man!!

“I’m totally not interested in him mom, GOD” 😂

🎶Denial, denial, denial! 🎶

I just realized he called her by her first name on the sidewalk lol man actually was head over heels ignoring social norms

This was my favorite part! That happens to me all the time. It doesn't mean I don't like you. It just means the environment is too much and I need to leave the party now.

@@LY43537 Yep, “let’s meet again on our own terms.” And they do exactly that, in the Bridgerton drawing room, again in silence.

Yeah the difference between introversion lol. He isn't socially awkward but doesn't really like social gatherings for too long. drains his battery

That scene touched my heart and made me a bit flustered. I want a love like that, where you can be silent with eachother. I often feel obligated to converse sometimes because it's etiquette but it's nice to just exist with people. 😊

All of tha drama just to introduce MichaelA Sterling (eye roll)

I'm sorry, but wtf is ND4ND? 😂

​@@thelegacyofgaming2928 I believe it's used when both individuals in a relationship are nerodivergent.

i got a copyright strike from netflix for having too much of the last ep sadly 😭gonna do a part 2 after the second half of the season drops tho

@@thelegacyofgaming2928 “Neurodivergent for neurodivergent,” I assume in the same sense as F4M or M4M.

@@dianagoenaga7263oooh. Thank you. I’m neurodivergent and I didn’t know that.

How so? I think I'm like that also

YIPEE WE HAVE THE SAME INTERESTS!!

Same!

me with kpop and fantasy novels among other things heh

She talks about piano the way i talk about bridgerton 😂 i drive everyone mad lol

I was like wth ?🤦🏻

I mean, Violet named her children alphabetically, so fair enough.

​@@magma4168😮😮😮😮

Time stamp pls

@@jessicatran6005 3:43

And how he zoomed past them and literally left them on the street to “get something.”

Yes because he was too hyperfocused on getting her that sheet music written in the way she said she'd like it ❤​@@LotsofLisa

@@marlena. Yes. It ended up being so thoughtful, but super weird at first. They would make a good, but odd match. Also that the other suitor wanted 8 kids and constant noise… 😂😂😂 Honestly that would’ve scared me off too, geez man!

“TOTALLY NOT INTERESTED MOM, GOD” -Francesca

The thing that stood out to me is initially the men were prodding her with questions and she said she expected a conversation not an interrogation. But when the Lord Petri took interest to have a conversation about the things she’s interested in she panicked when the conversation had more depth wasn’t shallow. This conveyed to me she has her interests but she likes to keep things shallow and simple. She isn’t actually longing for intellectual conversation, she isn’t even longing to be vulnerable or fully understood.

These are also personality traits... I don't think we can necessarily come to the conclusion that this is someone who is truly neurodivergent.

​@@CS-mf5unNow why are you so against someone being neurodivergent?

Sis, I possess all of these personality characteristics and I am not autistic. 💀

@@Momofukudoodoowindu good for you…but I think you’re missing the point.

@@prettynpetty8342 is the point you enjoy arm chair diagnosis and self-obsession via finding 'representation'?

She's just like me fr

He rushed off because clearly his ass is autistic too. Literally how SO many of my friends will leave a conversation, especially in a group setting, especially if their brain just caught on a goal. "thank you, that was helpful" he says as he dashes off because his brain just went "oh, she told me A Thing She Wants, I know that means I must go Procure It to get a good grade in Courtship, a thing that is both normal to want and possible to achieve."

Actually, I'd say that Lord Kilmartin's sudden rushing off is quite autistic in itself, and it does not upset Francesca in the slightest.

​@@slavchen it did upset her. She probably thought he was put off by her info dump like most ppl are.

@@natashambulo3510 It did upset her but it was quite autistic for him to leave that way. I get it to be honest.

​@@natashambulo3510 maybe we're reading the scene differently. To me, Francesca appeared slightly confused, and then she matter-of-factly switched the topic. But your interpretation is also worth considering. I have to rewatch the scene again

I thought how it was cute how Violet's facial reactions were towards Frannie. To your point very supportive, but when Frannie said "No need to shout" and Violet gave like "well what do I do then" and when Violet awkwardly had to watch her daughter fail at flirting but said nothing...I mean yea. This season just confirmed Violet really is such a good and understanding mom (and I think part of the overall growth is after trying too hard with Daphne/Anthony at times she learned its sometimes better to just be there when she can).

@pollyanasilva8106 sorry what's neurodivergence

@@Percyjackson183 it's the name given to refer the natural variations on human brain based on learning, cognitive functions, humor, attention, and sociability... Autism, dislexia, ADHD, and so many more... we all fit into this little wonderful box of remarkable People.

I have a mom like this, whom I work with now. She too is neurodivergent, so it's not exactly like Violet, but she knows. We work together in the same company now. Yesterday, I was really trying and failing not to have a massive meltdown over major technology issues for the second time in a row in a very important meeting, and instead of telling me to calm down or telling me off, she just said to me as soon as the call ended, _"come look at this tornado footage from last night!"_ and watched with me until I composed myself.

As a autistic person my self, i'm so happy of existence francesca's character ! It so important for us havin representation 😊

It would be nice if someone involved in the production would say it in an interview though. I agree it wouldn't make sense to say it in the show itself, but to bring it up off-screen would confirm that they intended Francesca to be autistic rep and bring it to the attention of neurotypical viewers

@@stellasdoesstuff She is in the books, so it's obvious that's what they're going for

@@thelegacyofgaming2928not everyone has read the books

I have never read the books yet I knew instantly they gave her something like autism. ​@@kyirose2995

​@@kyirose2995...it need not be said ....look at the characters and enjoy their personalities.. I enjoyed watching series like MONK ...the characters are different..not disabled or kooky ..just unique .. And in the Bridgerton extroverted sibling ..she is unique ..

The exact scene played when i found this comment and i couldn't agree more 😂 i don't even want kids so the idea of 8 children is a hellish nightmare !!

Francesca: OUTTA HERE HELP

i felt that too 😂😂 homeboy should have not came on too strong

I think the show is far more realistic in its treatment of Pen than the book version. Book version: loses a bunch of weight to finally get noticed by the suitor she wants. happy go lucky friendship with her bestfriend even after finding out about her mean, spiteful gossip mongering persona that directly harmed her family members. can do no wrong trope. Show version: stays the same weight. strives to enhance what she has. does not want to be a wallflower. friendship broken. broken friend dearly not enthused by her approaching her brother. Her petty gossiping and mean, snarky words are not always treated as good things. Pen has faults of her own. She's a sad person with lonely surroundings and while I can understand her, her actions do show that sometimes she's not a good person either. initially naive to how terrible her public gossiping can be. She's....a real person.

Same here I can relate to Both Francesca and Penelope ❤

​​@@FairyLotusUnicorn From the book: April of 1814 found Penelope back in London for a second season, and even though she attracted the same number of suitors as the year before (zero), the season wasn't , in all honesty, quite so bad. It helped that she'd lost nearly two stone and could now call herself "pleasantly rounded" rather than a "hideous pudge". She was still nowhere near the slender ideal of womanhood that ruled the day, but at least she'd changed enough to warrant the purchase of a completely new wardrobe. - That was 1814, the book plays in the year 1824, when she is 28. So no, she did not lose weight to especially attract Colin. Colin, from the book: She was soft, curvy, and lush, just as he'd always thought a woman should be. - So Colin loves Penelope's lush figure. I don't know why everyone is writing that Pen just lost weight for Colin, and he is only attracted to her, because she is slender. That is WRONG.

SAME

REAL

@@starsign0805 way to spoil 🤔

@@amelieb1013 oh damn I didn't realise how big a spoiler that was. I'm going to delete that comment.

@@starsign0805what was the spoiler idm could you tell me using a spoiler blocker Like this

@@michaeladebayo2474 Ohhhh okay, yaaas, love this. Feels like I'm whispering into your ear on the internet. In my orginal comment I basically said that if you've read the orginal book, then you know getting attached to John is a heartbreak waiting to happen.

So, what do you think now? Poor John.

The way they both fidget with their gloves is so perfect

She reminds me a lot of Daphne too!

Y what happens? PLEASE I NEED TO KNOW!! Spoil amything and everything.

​@dustinjolicoeur6138 spoilers ahead, look away for the people who don't want to read. Francesca meets another man, and he's the one she ultimately falls in love with.

@@shoujokadyan5502 This is not the full extent of it....

​@@apespc9886Right. They making it seem like Frannie cheated and left John hanging or sumn lol. Like if u gonna spoil someone just do it instead of vague stuff like this .

Its ok. I cant watch the new season yet so im stuck getting all the new Bridgerton tea from KZfaq. Anything helps.

Same, girl, same! Are there any other autistic coded (and not explicitly stated) characters you enjoy or relate to? I'm pretty sure that Anya in Buffy the Vampire Slayer is autistic, and I adore her!

@@DorotaGabalthe girl in heartbreak high is autistic I love her

Which part of here is autistic? You re kidding right just because you want to see representation and diversity that you are going to see it everywhere😂😂😂 even if there is no part of it

Same

And now.... she is a rainbow.

RIGHT!! OMG not on the spectrum, but as someone with adhd, its so cool to see that

They both do seem to be on the spectrum to me. Don't enjoy parties because of the ruckus or overstimulation...don't maintain eye contact...I wonder if John's special interest is also music related, as he was quick to go seek out that score for her, AND he mentioned the music first. I'm rooting so hard for them to end up together.

Hyacinth is the autistic one.

Yes, thank you! Like c'mon, let us have some unofficial rep that's not Sheldon Cooper. Lowk think that some of these commenters just don't like it because they see autism as a negative thing and they don't like that they might have things in common with an autistic character 🤷

Also, high functioning neurodivergent people often go undiagnosed, so the commenters might actually be autistic themselves and have no idea.

​@@macyfisher5209 I really dislike it because autism is an actual "condition", not just a jacket you can wear and take off if you feel like it. You actually have to show certain traits to a degree and they have to impact your life, not be explained by something else and also have to have existed before a certain age. Diagnosing strangers is something that I always find stupid. You don't know the person, you aren't qualified to diagnose someone. Neurodivergent traits are human traits. Not everyone who is socially awkward or likes to stim is autistic, in fact most people are not. Running around and blindly labelling anyone as autistic just because they are a bit socially awkward is neither helping actual autistic people nor is it helping the person who got misdiagnosed. Also all this running around wildly diagnosing people just because you feel like it, is also perpetuating the notion that everyone MUST be diagnosed with something. Because clearly you can't have completely normal human traits like being shy, stimming, reserved, only having one time consuming hobby, enjoying silence etc. without being disabled right? If every person is neurodivergent then what's the point? Francesca is clearly not showing any autistic traits or neurodivergent traits to a degree that would be higher than your average introverted persons and she doesn't seem to be impacted by them either (which would both be signs that she is neurodivergent and not just your average shy introverted person). If she is autistic that's fine, if she isn't that's fine. But that's not for you to decide.

​@@ducklingscap897 First of all, I have AuDHD, and I am very much like Francesca, so your argument that she shows no autistic traits to an "autistic" degree holds no water. But aside from that I get exactly what you mean about diagnosing strangers; I recognize that the practice can be harmful when it's done by unqualified people, aka the internet, to real people. I also agree that neurodivergent traits are human traits. But what we're doing here is harming nobody. Autistic people should be allowed to feel represented by characters and "headcanon" characters as autistic even if they're not explicitly described as such. With our current token representation being Sheldon Cooper, everyone I meet is surprised to hear I'm autistic, because in their minds being autistic means I should either be extremely antisocial and have extremely low EQ to the point of assholery, or be a stuttering childlike idiot who needs help doing basic tasks. So I don't think it's fair to criticize us for seeking out better autism representation for ourselves and finding hope in characters that we can identify with. Because that's ultimately the beauty of fiction, isn't it? Being able to relate to a princess, or a viking, or an alien from a billion galaxies away, because we're not so strictly constrained by real life. Like you said; if she's autistic that's fine, if she isn't that's fine too. The showrunners have not mentioned anything about it, and we have no official statement. So why are you so bent up about us saying she could be autistic when we have no evidence to the contrary? Sure, you can argue it's not up for us to decide, but it sure isn't up to you to decide either. The point is we can all headcanon whatever we want, because it's a fictional character in a tv show and "misdiagnosing" her is literally not even a possibility because her attributes are all made up by her creators in the first place and can change according to their whims. TLDR: She's not real, so none of the impacts you listed actually apply. We have limited reasons to call her autistic but you also have limited reasons to call her not autistic. Everyone loses, now chill.

They were always meant to be a good couple. But they will have to make an extremely good job with the next guy. It is a hard task.

I mean hopefully they will just break with book canon in this case.

@@Cearesnot a book reader, whats canon in the book?

​@@luciaellee He is her first husband, so...

As a book reader I hate it and I love just cause the book was so BLAND about them. Like yea they were a unit but why were they? The chemistry was there I suppose but it was more telling than showing. This is far more impactful and just what I wanted for them to expand her story.

What's the tragedy?

But that’s it! An interesting story line. It’s sweet now, but she got a second chance. We can’t have all Bridgertone children live happily ever after with their first loves.

Oh you could just have another type of "neurodivergence". There are other conditions outside of the spectrum that are also classified under neurodivergence according to societal views. ADHD is one, for example. That one is very well-known :)

Same. I see myself a lot in Francesca but I’m not autistic. Just introverted.

Thank you for saying this…thank you !

Same!

​@@samf.s.7731 I'm sure you meant no harm but its probably not the best idea to suggest that someone might have that because they share these characteristics, they are quite common for someone who is shy, introverted or easily anxious.

I do too!

I know right, it makes me sad knowing how their story goes. 😭

The Queen is such an icon lmao. She has a bunch of great lines and facial expressions 😂

Spoilers They allude to her being gay though I’m kind of sad because the last episode seems to imply that the reason she didn’t have a spark with him was not due to her Neurodivergence, but because she is interested in women She has a really long look at his sister when they meet There’s also an expression she makes after her first kiss during her wedding and it’s kind of fd up because I’m sure many people saw that as just an extension of her autism, but I honestly think it was to imply that she realized she wasn’t romantically interested in him

Tbf a bit anachronistic to mention autism in the early 19th century but yes she is the best

They literally can't mention it. Not a term back then

“they” meant the cast, writers, directors, etc. who absolutely could say it if they wanted in interviews or anything, but won’t

I don't think that this is what they were going for. They aimed for introvert and hit on "totally clueless to human interaction of any kind"

@@sentagw Just because fandom gets excited doesn’t mean these characters are meant to be autistic rep. Besides, as long as no one claims they’re meant to be autistic, no one can complain that they’re doing autistic representation incorrectly lmao

NON-SAFE FOODSSSSSS SHE TRULY IS AUTISTIC (I am autistic)

Mood, I’m autistic preteen. Special Interest has been acquired. @Iamtherian195 I suspect the group doc will be filled with Bridgerton for quite a while once I find where to watch it

I would call her introvert not autistic

@@Lex77755she is. Autism is not a caricature

unfortunately they have an agreement with Julia Quinn (the author of the books) that Shonda can change most things except the original pairings, so Francesca does have to eventually end up with Michael

@@jaqui1401 I merely want to debunk that Julia Quinn herself stated that they are not required to stick to the books’ endgames. Anything is possible, but let us wait and see.

well gee thanks for spoiling that for me

Sorry for all the non book readers if that was a spoiler😑

@@amelieb1013 maybe don't read YT comment sections about the show if you're so afraid of spoilers?

Exactly- I was thinking the exact same thing. Glad to see this comment.

Thanks for a sane comment under this video.

Just a heads up if you think she's on the aroace spectrum, you're gonna hate her season. She has the spiciest book out of all bridgerton siblings 👀

Yeah, no. Francesca gets *railed* and loved every minute of it. Hers is the most romantic of all the books and she experiences a whole new kind of sexual awakening as she falls deeper and deeper in love.

@@tata-yo9id always a possibility of demisexual rep, maybe they will alter it so she will only want to be deeply filthy after first forming an emotional connection with someone 😅

@@tata-yo9id oh RIP 😭😭 I could have sworn they were hinting toward her not experiencing/understanding romantic/sexual feelings but I guess demisexuality is still a possibility?

I believe Eloise has more likely an aro/ace rep.

Both of those things are autism traits, a lot of high-masking autistics force themselves to make too much eye contact to compensate so prolonged eye contact is also a trait people look for

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Perfectly Agreed 💙

Same! 🌈🌈🌈