I came in here expecting to see Spiderman discuss religion :(
@antimatterexplodes40143 жыл бұрын
Me, too... But I was not disappointed with the result..
@TBG263 жыл бұрын
@Gary Fletcher nope
@rishirajsharma53372 жыл бұрын
Same😂😂
@therogerseses Жыл бұрын
You're a legend in your own mind😂
@mrsmith735 Жыл бұрын
Got Wonder Woman instead!
@gulleyjimson4 жыл бұрын
Came looking for Spiderman, stayed for Prof Francesca.
@juliall25521 күн бұрын
Perfectly understandable.
@keyboarddancers77518 жыл бұрын
I love hearing Professor Stavrakopoulou and Tom Holland speaking. Their rigorous academic approach is a joy to experience.
@nishuee7 жыл бұрын
I love Professor Stavrakopoulou, but I did not know she was a lib. In 33:00, she said: Islam has been caricatured unfairly as intolerant religion. Well, if you read the Quran and the Hadith, would you still say that?
@kierenmoore32367 жыл бұрын
Keyboard Dancers - surprising to hear that Muslims are, in fact, Ignostics ... What was Mùhâmmâd banging on about, then?! Something unknowable? Well, he was obviously full of crap, then ...
@damianeadie5107 жыл бұрын
nishuee I think she made a mistake on saying Islam and not Muslims. Historically in many places Muslims have lived peacefully for centuries with neighbours of other religions and the media does rely on archetypes and present 'muslims' too often as intrinsically dangerous. You can't avoid the fact she thinks Islam (as opposed to Muslims) is bullshit superstition like all other religions. She is saying we should be careful to not conflate bad ideas and bad people. ...Yes there is some intersection but it's simply wrong to portray whole groups according to the worst of their number.
@damianeadie5107 жыл бұрын
Midnight Indy It seems to me you don't know what historical documents and writings she is thinking of when she made that statement. She is absolutely correct when she says the Abrahamic religions consider god to be male as he was imagined by males in male dominated societies. They wrote the story that god 'made man in his own image'... and women secondarily. Do you know of any example in those religions of god referred to in the feminine?
@chrisbennett6066 жыл бұрын
Kieren Moore interesting
@idprobablydislikeyou45034 жыл бұрын
Hearing these two speak...raised my IQ by one standard deviation
@thetimeisnigh31155 жыл бұрын
When I was a Christian I thought Francesca was a "threat" now I see she is just honest.
@Alnivol6664 жыл бұрын
No, she is not really honest. Tom is honest though. Francesca is a progressive bullshiter.
@bobcat76644 жыл бұрын
This woman is totally wrong God is the only real truth be careful what you choose time is short
@NoOne-ul8ni4 жыл бұрын
@@bobcat7664 God is the assertion of primitive Humans lacking in knowledge. You hold onto that assertion because it gives you comfort during your existence.
@kevbee83254 жыл бұрын
bob cat Which one?
@Alnivol6663 жыл бұрын
@Notting Hill Carnival Photos :)). Argument from authority...priceless. I read people who have more education than hers in the field and actually a bigger activity in the scholarship and a lot less of an ideological approach. You should try that.
@teatimee3 жыл бұрын
This was great, I just wish that Francesca had a microphone.
@joecaner2 жыл бұрын
Not a good acoustic space. Lapel microphones would have been a good idea.
@Amazing_Mark8 ай бұрын
The audio quality was terrible. 👎
@deekohelath81648 жыл бұрын
I'm wondering if some of the males commenting here have ever seen a real woman. Yes Francesca is hot, but there's a world full of beautiful women out there, & the purpose of this video is purely intellectual & academic. Show some respect for a fellow human being who is educated & an expert in her field.
@Beery19628 жыл бұрын
+David Hore I agree. Whenever I see comments like that, I think of "Sid the Sexist" from "Viz".
@pinball19708 жыл бұрын
+David Hore I dont see why we cant combine the two as long as we are respectful. The first time I saw her was in a series on the bible on the TV and I noticed her before I heard what she said. It is perfectly normal and nothing to get hung up about. My girlfriend was the same about Richard Dawkins when she met him in a book signing; she read all his books first though. She is FS is exactly what modern atheism needs, a beautiful persona with substance and intelligence.
@deekohelath81648 жыл бұрын
Bollocks.
@pinball19708 жыл бұрын
***** I am not a cretin, I would not drool over her if I met her. At the same time I am honest about the way biology works. One can appreciate both, you say its inherently disrespectful, this is wrong it is inherently a natural biological response.
@deekohelath81648 жыл бұрын
We are more than just our biology.
@caroline-suecia73348 жыл бұрын
Dr Francesca is intelligent and educated. l like people that are intelligent and educated! Men or women, we are to be at least a bit cultivated!
@kevbee83254 жыл бұрын
Francesca and Alice Roberts... %)
@wasp898989899 жыл бұрын
Tom Holland is simply brilliant to listen to. Thanks for the upload!
@stevevallance63266 жыл бұрын
I’m new to these people. I’m glad to see rational discussion. Here in the states i think rational thinking is lacking, and many people are advancing, finally.
@HarryNicNicholas2 жыл бұрын
here in the UK it's illegal to think irrationally.
@allingtonmarakan66392 жыл бұрын
@@HarryNicNicholas Unless you are a Tory politician, then it is obligatory.
@FactStorm3 жыл бұрын
We need more people like this in our dogmatic world..free thought & inquiry are everything!
@TheSavageGent8 ай бұрын
Isn’t atheism dogmatic in the same way? I can see if you wanna argue for agnosticism but atheism relies on assuming certain truths no?
@FactStorm8 ай бұрын
Like many people out there, I don't think you even know what atheism is, which results in a blatant straw man..which is a shame. There's no such thing as atheist dogma.@@TheSavageGent
@digitalscale765 ай бұрын
@@TheSavageGent lack of belief in santa claus is not assuming certain truths. If you have any evidence proving the existence of a godly diety you will change the world
@TheSavageGent5 ай бұрын
@@FactStorm Assuming are we lol
@TheSavageGent5 ай бұрын
@@FactStorm Atheism is the belief that there is no God/gods, or is that wrong?
@sharonhearne5014 Жыл бұрын
The major question of Why We Are Here remains essentially unanswered and unsolved and when we are speaking in addressing all religious belief, the fact exists that humans have multiple theories: ancient and contemporary religious literature attempts to address why humans exist but huge and conflicting diversities exist among religions. Who are we really and what sort of future we face remains the key question.
@FlyingSpaghettiMonster20006 ай бұрын
The question has been answered by science. We are here by evolution.
@johndee5404 жыл бұрын
Francesca Stavrakopoulou and Tom Holland are a class act.
@ozziebruce10008 жыл бұрын
These people should speak on mainstream media more often.
@ozziebruce10007 жыл бұрын
why not? What's wrong with academic rigour and truth?
@seanflora3976 жыл бұрын
They should also speak ON MICROPHONES more often. What's up with the sound?
@nevanderson11646 жыл бұрын
+Largesse1000 There we go, typical christian, oppressing the right of others to speak. And you wonder why we want your religion eliminated
@nevanderson11646 жыл бұрын
+David O'Brien See Dee Kohelath's post just a bit above this. He is a raving sociopath, and I do not say that lightly. Rants about the coming of christ and the rapture, yet then refutes belief in it, then loses it and throws enormous tantrums. Says he has multiple degrees, including law, yet cannot construct a cohesive rebuttal. Quite deranged, either that or the most persistent and consistent troll I have ever seen...
@FactStorm3 жыл бұрын
Mainstream media doesn't like political incorrectness..they can't have people criticizing faith
@acircharo8 ай бұрын
When you believe in mythology you need to be prepared for the arguments that render it specious. I have believers in my family and they don't want to hear ANYTHING that refutes their mythology, but I tell them the same. A terrible case of cognitive dissonance, pure and simple. "I believe 'X', please don't tell me anything that doesn't support my belief. OK, fine. Live in ignorance.
@barnabyrt10128 жыл бұрын
Whoever says anything about Islam is always going to be threatened, unless you say, like a robot, that which they want you to say.
@AAwildeone3 жыл бұрын
Well all religions are kind of like that at some point, or they are simply manufactured and used for nefarious purposes for which a "true god" serves as justification. Thankfully, that particular expression of Christianity has been largely defanged; unfortunately, that side of Islam is still feeling its oats. Sigh...
@HarryNicNicholas3 жыл бұрын
@@AAwildeone yes, it's the fastest growing religion cos it works like facism.
@AAwildeone3 жыл бұрын
@@HarryNicNicholas And you'd be compelled, I hope, to say the same about xtianity before it was defanged and lost temporal political power bc it was aligned with emerging States. The West put religion in its place for exactly the same reasons any other State should do it. There is no such thing as a religious democracy ANYWHERE at ANYTIME...tell your friends. Cheers!
@alchemist75252 жыл бұрын
People talk about islam for centuries dont lie to yourself
@barnabyrt10122 жыл бұрын
@@alchemist7525 but say it on a book, newspaper, or tv and your life is in danger. Where have you been living? Under the ground?
@erichhunterph.d.1986 жыл бұрын
Fantastic conversation. Really great stuff.
@yodel1b7824 жыл бұрын
The guy who is one of the speakers gives an excellent explanation as to why liberals and progressives tend to not want to criticise Islam, which conservatives regard as “double standards”. Essentially, although liberals and progressives agree with the criticism from conservatives about Islam* concerning its reactionary views, we believe it is more important to not criticise Islam and Muslims *in the West* for the following reasons: 1. If your goal is to prevent terrorist attacks and to prevent radicalisation, research has shown time and time again that the constant demonisation of a minority for their cultural or religious practices doesn’t shame them into abandoning them. What it does is drives those minorities further together and become more insular, leading to more opportunities for radicalisation since there is now a perception of being “under attack” by the dominant culture. What we say instead is that, let’s not criticise them because it is COUNTERPRODUCTIVE to the goal of eradicating terrorism and instead rely on other research which shows that minorities tend to assimilate on their own accord over time due to environmental and dominant cultural pressures. There is even evidence of that occurring in the West now. 2. Although it may feel good to get what you think about Islam “off your chest”, getting something off your chest is not worth an innocent, sweet Muslim lady walking down the street and having her hijab ripped off, attacked and humiliated is NOT worth it. And we know from research on role models in society that if the elites start demonising a certain minority, the majority population will begin more brazenly attacking them, usually leading to disasters such as Hitler and the Holocaust etc. What we’re saying to right wingers is that there’s a BETTER way of achieving the aims we want. It’s the way you to tend to go about it that makes the problem even worse, not better. There. * although we believe these to be disingenuous because conservatives generally do not care about such issues such as gay rights, feminism, separation of church and state and we see this more as an attempt by conservatives to say “haha look at you not standing up for your principles when Islam or Muslims don’t even believe in it”, which is a separate point anyway)
@setiem13 Жыл бұрын
You can critisize without demonizing people unless asking in itself is already an attack which ends up with leaving the whole cultural and religious clash and friction inside the closet. And trust me like a couple when problems are not discuss it only cames with vengeance and 10 times more bigger in the future.
@urbandiscount Жыл бұрын
@@setiem13 most non-muslims come to such discussions with misconceptions and untruths, that they consider to be "the truth about islam". And like with judaism, people coming at this from post-christianity simply fail to understand that neither islam nor judaism are about "belief".
@nishuee93499 жыл бұрын
The setting is awkward. Either keep them sitting when they talk, or at least bring the podium for them to speak from behind. It just feels awkward this way. I don't why this grown up woman in the middle did not think of this thing!
@helethead3 жыл бұрын
And, the audio sucks!
@nishuee7 жыл бұрын
Having them standing is awkward, especially for the moderator. They could've at least put those podiums in front.
@panhandle996 жыл бұрын
Thats your issue. Being open to the audience and so everyone can see and hear better is the best way. A podium would be unnecessary.
@johnnyloco119 жыл бұрын
Is it just me or Zoe Williams (guardian) really squirming when there's any discussion on criticizing islam or printing Muhammad cartoons?
@soupbonep Жыл бұрын
I loved it when Francesca Stavrakopoulou said that human rights should always trump religious rights, and that it should be in the constitution.
@joverstreet2411 ай бұрын
Human rights? What if your rights and my right conflict?
@soupbonep11 ай бұрын
Give an example.
@joverstreet2411 ай бұрын
@@soupbonep My right to offend and your right not to be offended.
@soupbonep11 ай бұрын
@@joverstreet24 Give me a concrete example. Name one religious right that is more important than a human right.
@joverstreet2411 ай бұрын
@@soupbonep First define what a human “right” is as an atheist. A religious right in my definition is the intrinsic rights that were given to me by God, that no manmade law can take away. My human rights are one in the same with those rights.
@HernanToroA7 ай бұрын
Am I the only one who sees that Dr. Stavrakapoulou is as absolutely gorgeous as academically brilliant?❤
@WH-hi5ew4 ай бұрын
I always think she looks quite like Jame's Bond's love interest in For Your Eyes Only... (played by Carole Bouquet).
@kepstein88886 жыл бұрын
They should have adjusted the microphones before they started.
@warricktyler67594 жыл бұрын
Excellent to listen to . Many good thoughts to think on . Thanks to you for putting this up
@faza5537 жыл бұрын
Religion, Culture, tradition often intertwined but not synonymous. I think of religion as "religare," binding to doctrine, organization, & uncritical restriction. One can devise one's own personal "spirituality" and religious practices while being polite & accepting of others. "If it's true gold, you need not fear the furnace."
@raydelavega74575 жыл бұрын
Yes Indeed!!! Religion means exactly that, To Bind, Restrict, Set Back, Suppress, etc. I can't stand any Religion, but I will not judge anyone or Kill anyone for what they BLINDLY Choose to BE-LIE-VE!
@YeshuaisnotJesus Жыл бұрын
If Eve ate from the tree of eternal life instead of the tree of knowledge, there'd be no story.
@hamzatahir80748 жыл бұрын
amazing conversation
@hannotn Жыл бұрын
It's summer here in NZ on the afternoon of New Year's Eve 2022. So enjoy listening to these two... such smart, sane, warm human beings. They just seem such nice people, that I'm thinking how nice it would be to take them along to a barbie with friends and all just sit around and have intelligent conversation over a G&T or two. Nothing like sitting in the sun on a hot summer evening and enjoying smart conversation.
@BNelso-lf7db Жыл бұрын
Bible has incredible scientific accuracy like round Earth and Quarantine and jet streams and far more.
@bouzoukiman5000 Жыл бұрын
@@BNelso-lf7dbno. It has no answers. Your god is satanic
@jt94743 жыл бұрын
As someone who was spent their whole university time as a christian I am appalled to hear that as suggested at the end of this video that the Christians has been responsible for silencing peoples voices. Everyone should be able to say what they want to say without fear. Peace and love.
@HarryNicNicholas2 жыл бұрын
ha ha, you think religion, and the christian mythology is about peace and love? what planet is that true on? cos it's not true on this one. all religions have been responsible for all manner of atrocities. "Everyone should be able to say what they want to say without fear" if they thought they could get away with it we'd still be under the inquisition.
@nettyvoyager63366 жыл бұрын
Francesca you have the right to exist !
@helethead3 жыл бұрын
How can you do something like this and not make sure the audio is good? Unbelievable.
@cys89648 жыл бұрын
37:20 "Some of these people really believe this shit." - Tom Holland
@benjaminodonnell2588 жыл бұрын
The central insight that seems to be eluding a lot of people...
@tomormiston65926 жыл бұрын
Yes they do, like many of my friends and family, all British Christians. Clearly that reality has been missed by TH and others. Atheist myself but yeah, beliefs are 'real'
@aniksamiurrahman63655 жыл бұрын
Hei I believe in Shit, I start my day with a shit ritual. In fact almost all of the 7.5 Billion ppl do. Hei don't u think there should be a "CULT of SHIT" or "SHIT RELIGION"?
@dianewilson6673 Жыл бұрын
The reason there are so many beliefs is because there are so many people therefore so many opinions…kind of easy to see why they are all different….just humans being humans…good video!
@danielschaeffer12948 жыл бұрын
No religion that can order its members to kill dissenters deserves respect. Tom Holland does. End of story.
@passionaria6 жыл бұрын
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@1201Filmz5 жыл бұрын
Agreed, along with any religion that persecutes homosexuals and leads with paedophile priests.
@shinobi-no-bueno3 жыл бұрын
I came here for a different Tom Holland 😩
@enricoabrahams50614 ай бұрын
35 minutes in she says that you can criticize any religious system but just be polite about it....that may or may not have been true 8 years ago, but is it still true in 2024?
@imaginthat10449 ай бұрын
She says 'I think we just want community' and that's the feeling we have. Not the need for human spiritual guidance. Blah blah blah. She knows more than anybody and has all the answers.
@HectorDiabolucus4 жыл бұрын
Interesting, one of my ancestors was one of the early humanists, and he suffered the ire of the Inquisition for it. Also interesting to hear that what’s happening in academia in the UK is the polar opposite of that in the US.
@haleya94103 жыл бұрын
wow! that's really cool (about your ancestor). Also, I was surprised to hear that the American evangelist movement is spreading to the UK
@madzangels3 жыл бұрын
As we are talking about ancestors, mine developed the flushing toilet :D So remember that the next time you have a poo!
@fahdchoudry77636 жыл бұрын
I would become an Atheist for Francesca. Oh wait, i already am. Damn.
@LarryMarvin6 ай бұрын
This was wonderful. I really appreciate hearing from both of the panel members.
@isaamer1942 жыл бұрын
Tom "But Moslems are worse" Holland felt very unconfortable when Francesca speaks...
@nevanderson11646 жыл бұрын
I respect the fact that Francesca has not only amassed significant qualifications, but also forged the path she has, despite the misogyny that remains rife, particularly in areas of religion. The church dogma has women as nothing more than chattels, and to me, that is abhorrent.
@nettyvoyager63366 жыл бұрын
Tom Holland to get the quote of the existence of the universe award for "They believe this shit "!
@passionaria6 жыл бұрын
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@layoadeyemi8256 Жыл бұрын
I’m not sure franscesca’s interpretation of circumcision really reflects any credible biblical scholars view of the process, and its meaning for Jewish culture, or even cultures older than that tradition? I’d like to see her sources for that and for gender and sex in Genesis like she mentioned. Her view is pretty radical deviation from any scholarly sources I’ve seen.
@urbandiscount Жыл бұрын
No not really and she is entirely historically correct about circumcision. And the bit about gender and sex in the bible is there in the Hebrew already,. That is the source
@madams34782 жыл бұрын
So, Pagans invented their own backstory! Wow. Yes, we humans are more alike than different. And working stories is a big part of how we move forward.
@jakalope12186 жыл бұрын
love listening to these sorts of speechs. Theyre slowly but surely weeding out the supernatural in an interesting and logical way. And Francesca makes it very easy to watch indeed. Purely from an intellectual stance of course.
@katjaj.52176 жыл бұрын
I loved the video, both Francesca and Tom are extremely knowledgeable and professional. She never offended Christianity, she is simply giving the facts, if you 're offended by facts it is your problem. She is being objective, and that's what we need. Also all the comments about her personality are so inappropriate. In many environments it is still difficult to be a woman, that's a fact. Just look at all the disgusting comments here, sexual harassment is still a big problem, and we need more ppl to admit to it and talk about it. If it's not a problem for you personally, if doesn't mean it's not a problem for other ppl. Be respectful.
@vivthespiv13 жыл бұрын
Its very interesting but Fransesca needs a mic
@els1f Жыл бұрын
I love the circumcision part! I'm so tired of the way people react to simply saying "you probably shouldn't cut a baby's penis". Just leave them alone unless they need it for a medical reason
@urbandiscount Жыл бұрын
Not every religion functions like Christianity. A misconception of many post-christians is that they do. There already is a substantial move away from circumcision in judaism, but judaism is not like christianity, because this is not a matter of "believing in" religious dogma, it is also the enactment of embodying jewish nationhood. There's an extra layer involved that a lot of post-christians don't get. And that's why such exhortations are useless.
@matiaspereyra93754 жыл бұрын
Not the Tom Holland I was looking for
@haleya94103 жыл бұрын
luuuul
@iainrae61593 жыл бұрын
Shame that so many Muslims and Chtistians actually believe 'holy books' are actually 'true ' with the Gods, Angel's, divine revelation et all.
@melroycorrea77202 жыл бұрын
a greater shame that atheists believe in the validity of their ideas which is so devoid of imagination and insight, still so new and untested in terms of providing a strong foundation to a civilisation or society.
@kevbee83252 жыл бұрын
@@melroycorrea7720 Yes it’s a shame that evidence is needed to support the existence of supernatural beings.
@melroycorrea77202 жыл бұрын
@@kevbee8325 Truly, its a shame when atheists claim that God is a thing in the world, on whom you can perform controlled experiments to collect evidence.
@kevbee83252 жыл бұрын
@@melroycorrea7720 But you can judge his supposed work going by the order of events in Genesis (assuming that it’s the Abrahamic god and not one of the other few hundred apparently in or have been in existence) which don’t add up, light and days before the Sun etc in a book that some people say are about morals but is pro slavery.
@melroycorrea77202 жыл бұрын
@@kevbee8325 Just because you can make a caricature of the Holy Writings doesn't mean that you understand it at all. It squares up with my earlier assertion: just because atheism is good at poking fun and destroying values, doesn't mean it has the power to build and create anything.
@ericsteinhauer3991 Жыл бұрын
Religion is just another avenue for people to disagree
@jonathonjubb66266 жыл бұрын
But who taught both religions about persecution? Who does persecution better than anyone? Who invented it, and perfected it???
@nevanderson11646 жыл бұрын
+Jonathon Jubb Shhhhh, they are hoping no one will notice the genocide as a calling card, and persecution by the minute.
@woodygilson3465 Жыл бұрын
Aggression occurs in every living thing, but looking at Christian torture methods through the ages, I would say that Christians first perfected it, and Muslims have aspired to match it ever since.
@57Carlibra Жыл бұрын
Wish you had a mic on her for better audio clarity.
@rozbroz4836 жыл бұрын
It’s funny how people are talking about Tom’s speaking content, and Francesca’s appearance.
@rozbroz4836 жыл бұрын
Well, it’s not funny at all.
@DiaJasin6 жыл бұрын
hahahahahaha
@forogafold3 жыл бұрын
It's the norm in a patriarchal society.
@TheRobdarling3 жыл бұрын
@@forogafold So, no women think she's attractive?
@memcrew13 жыл бұрын
@@TheRobdarling Yes, she is attractive but what does it have to do with the material being presented?
@nettyvoyager63366 жыл бұрын
the sheep divided the sheep they created their own sad world for themselves
@exiled_londoner5 жыл бұрын
Perhaps you could put your numerous unintelligible comments through Google Translate before you post them so we know what they are talking about. We can't do it ourselves as we don't know what language they were written in.
@Queenread825 ай бұрын
Watching this in 2024 is interesting!
@stuartleslie5421 Жыл бұрын
Fascinating explanation by Tom about the differences in approach between Western and Islamic traditions and his acknowledgement of his Western bias via the Western intellectual tradition of free enquiry. I have read his book on Islamic origins and he does not mention this, but he has obviously thought about it a lot since the book was published.
@sedeslav6 жыл бұрын
Greek Goddess of knowlage!
@JohnGeometresMaximos3 жыл бұрын
She's an idiot.
@monkeytennis88613 жыл бұрын
@@JohnGeometresMaximos no, she isn't and she isn't Greek either - she's English.
@VaughanMcCue3 жыл бұрын
@@JohnGeometresMaximos The sensible people here look forward to you offering something of value that challenges her comments as we are sure you can do better than throwing an unsubstantiated and insulting ad feminam. I meant to say, if you were a *real* man, you might try.
@JohnGeometresMaximos3 жыл бұрын
@@VaughanMcCue Watch the video idiot.
@grayintheuk80213 жыл бұрын
Excellent, Francesca is a fantastic speaker and knows her stuff. Thumbs up
@aldonagluchowska86662 жыл бұрын
Deceived and unstable ! I heard her saying that persons in Old Testament are NOT real, not prove for their existence! Even Jesus is not sure He existed (may be she educated a little more at least about Jesus ???) !!! 😂😂😂 "Profesor" and "historian"??? 🙏😁 May God open her eyes SOME DAY To see properly !!! Otherwise her selfish and hardened heart who do not obey the truth will face God's wrath, tribulation and anguish for spreading false "knowledge" !!! How people deceive themselves ??? It is only prove how people gather wrath of God against themselves !
@iainrae61595 жыл бұрын
Francesca is very eloquent and is a very beautiful person who has no time for worshipping mythical supernatural gods, but is interested in religion .
@iainrae61594 жыл бұрын
@Torvic Blimey mate, you sound a tad angry using the old ' serpent ' tag. An athiest is someone who has read bible while a religious person has had it read too them . Francesca has read the Bible and studied the history of the time.
@iainrae61594 жыл бұрын
@Torvic If the alledged figure of Jesus was not Jewish, as most Christian's believe, then what cultural tribe would you say he belonged to? What hacked off Christians was that the Jewish people rightly refused to accept him as the 'messiah' and supernatural son of God. Sensible conclusion, though they have suffered for centuries as a result.
@iainrae61594 жыл бұрын
Whether Jesus was Jewish or not, is an interesting question, ( middle east tribal squabbles seem never ending), however the more important question is the claim of him by Christians of being a supernatural 'son of God ' who rose up from the dead . This sounds very much a myth, as is the story of a man called Moses, and as Francesca rightly suggests these are man made tales. There is no evidence for any supernatural Gods, whereas we have evidence for evolution by natural selection and a knowledge of germ theory.
@iainrae61594 жыл бұрын
@Torvic Secular societies like Norway, Sweden,Denmark ,Finland ,Csnads seem pretty civilised to me. If Jesus was not killed there would be no Christianity, so I think you should thank Judas and the Jews that you accuse.. Anyway, it all sounds man made yarns to me although I am sure you believe it all. How long ago did your God instantly create the earth and humans? Evolution is true whether you believe it or not, and creationism should never be mentioned in the science/biology. classes. I wish you well with your angels and holy ghosts.
@iainrae61594 жыл бұрын
@Torvic The essential elements and chemical processes for the building blocks of life were in place around 4 billion years ago.The earliest life may have formed by hot air vents in the oceans. According to your creationist view when did your God instantly create humans and dinosaurs? May I recommend you visit the Natural history museum or is this another infidel conspiracy..
@practicalknowledge99588 жыл бұрын
" Muhammad Never Existed " - Islamic Theologian Professor Sven Kalisch has concluded: " Muhammad Never Existed " Sven Kalisch is professor of Islamic theology at Munster University in Germany, Kalisch was administrative council of the Germany Muslim Academy and worked for the Islamic Centred of Hambourg.
@passionaria6 жыл бұрын
kzfaq.info/get/bejne/msebg5iAv8eUdmQ.html
@andrewbeveridge64657 жыл бұрын
I love her intellect and understanding of the truth
@JohnGeometresMaximos3 жыл бұрын
She has neither.
@genesisbustamante-durian2 жыл бұрын
@@JohnGeometresMaximos let me guess you're a Christian lol.
@Yaarbiriah8 жыл бұрын
positively painful to hear people expostulating on the issues in Israel without thoroughly understanding the people, history, geography of the regions they're discussing. Moslems hold Mecca and Medina holy to them, not so much Israel. They don't need our little slip of land as much as the Jewish people need it. They have so many other places they can be! I don't mind if they live with us in peace but they continue to contest our right to be in a sliver of land as large as New Jersey!
@montymartell20817 ай бұрын
What problematic is people just now finding out that original Egyptians were black people an original Greek people were black also and that Egyptian hieroglyphs and Greek writing was invented by the black people why isn't this taught in school and in our history books it's been known for 50-60 years now and yet people are just now hearing about it
@branthomas16212 жыл бұрын
Can anyone direct me to the video of Dr Francesca Stavrakopoulou talking about serpent worship? It mentions the Avebury stone monument in England. I watched it once and I am now having difficulty finding it. Thanks
@dnehs10548 жыл бұрын
Definition of a cult: a group of people that believe too much on what they agree.
@mindisbuddha3 жыл бұрын
"In the Shadow of the Sword" is a great book!!!
@davidhinkley9 ай бұрын
Mr Holland lost me entirely when he said that despite being Catholic and Protestant that, nonetheless, Christianity formed a basis for peacemaking because "Blessed are the peacemakers." For the Catholics --- whose side primarily doesn't amount to their Catholicism, by and large --- it's about colonialism and a battle against elite forces with a haughty disregard for the indigenous. Much like in Africa, the Americas and elsewhere. Also, they would disagree that their divided land is a solution.
@richardh8082 Жыл бұрын
Awesome content but please sort sound for future wonderfulness thank you
@alicedeen720 Жыл бұрын
Absolutely we need more people like Francesca. Magical thinking needs to go now, religions are very often hateful organisations. Big thanks to the Humanist UK and this amazing talk from the brilliant Francesca. Thumps UP!!
@movieklump4 жыл бұрын
It always amazes me when people imply the moral teachings of Christianity when the bible is basically a manual for human rights violations.
@Alnivol6664 жыл бұрын
Nope. It's not. You have to look at the history of this religion throughout the centuries to see what it brings. You are reading the book as a 21st century modern man. That is not how people looked at it in the past. There is a reason human rights came from the West and not from anywhere else. Holland's new book Dominion makes a good case for exactly this. Go read it.
@movieklump4 жыл бұрын
@@Alnivol666 Three hundred years ago 10s of thousands of innocent woman in Europe were murdered for being witches because of exodus 22:18. The US slave trade was substantiated by Exodus 21. Gay people have been persecuted because of Leviticus 20. Alan Turing, the man that helped save England form the Nazis, was chemically castrate for being gay by the Christians. Holland is wrong. In a debate with Grayling he did not make one demonstrable point about his hypothesis. Look at his video, kzfaq.info/get/bejne/lc13ksSVz8rcaas.html the guy is mentally ill. The bible is vile garbage that should be thrown in the bin next to the Quran.
@Alnivol6664 жыл бұрын
@@movieklump I really do not care about opinions ventured by historically illiterate anti-theists. You would have been one of those guys doing the burning. And quite happy about it. Your anachronistic analysis is one of the most intelectually dishonest if not outright idiotic takes one could have about history periods they have made no effort of understanding. I know all of your tropes. You and your ilk repeat them time and time again like a broken record. You learned them by heart as the good little idiots that you are. You have these very simplistic explanations for very complex historical events that span centuries because your brains need simple explanations. Makes everything easier, including your irrational hate.
@movieklump4 жыл бұрын
@@Alnivol666 Socrates said 'When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the losers.' It is really sad to see when someone as intellectually bankrupt as you tries to form an argument only to find it disintegrate int the blathering of a dull witted five years old in tears. Philosophically an argument ad hominem typically refers to a fallacious argumentative strategy whereby genuine discussion of the topic at hand is avoided by instead attacking the character of the opponent.
@Alnivol6664 жыл бұрын
@@movieklump You have made no argument. You gave your opinion on something you don't really understand. An opinion is not based on logic or reason. It is based on emotion. You don't understand the time period you talk about. You don't really understand much of anything. But you do have opinions that stem from ignorance and you are quite proud of them. Your approach historical analysis is called presentism. Look it up. You might learn something. I repeat...you would have been the one setting the flames and quite happy about it. Because you don't really care to analyze what happened. You are here to judge. My saying that your views are simplistic is not an ad hominem. It is what your views actually are. Have a book for you. Again...if you read it, you might learn something. www.amazon.com/New-Atheism-Myth-History-Anti-Religion/dp/3319894552. You work with tropes that you accept without any sort of skepticism. You are as much as a believer as any Christian. I say that as an atheist. When I see you guys popping up with your silly anti-theist talking points, I see that religious thinking is deeply embedded in the human brain. Nothing I can say to you can change the way you look at things because you already think you know everything. You don't. At this moment in time you are just repeating things you picked up somewhere without much thought about it. I can't reason you out of something that you haven't reasoned yourself in. Sorry.
@dr.irfananwararnab19256 жыл бұрын
Francesca is just so wonderful, I have a HUUUGE crush on her.
@sofakingwhat47984 жыл бұрын
I have a crush on her.
@RalphEllis3 жыл бұрын
Ahmed wants to drive a car into her. How typical…
@dr.irfananwararnab19253 жыл бұрын
@@RalphEllis Wow, it's quite astonishing that how deeply racist you are, You have found the spelling mistake after 03 years, I really appreciate your efforts. My best wishes are with you, I hope you can eventually do something better than spreading haterd. Meanwhile, I shall continue to do something a bit more meaningful, like taking care of COVID patients.
@davidhookway514 Жыл бұрын
The Quran, in its view of Heaven For Men, is in itself completely ridiculous.
@magicker80523 жыл бұрын
Shame about the audio but thanks for sharing
@MarkGrago8 жыл бұрын
I'm sure grateful that I don't sit in this woman's classroom!
@joececchini85976 жыл бұрын
I am a Atheist but oh my GOD Francesca is HOT!
@joececchini85976 жыл бұрын
Just a funny use of the word GOD...
@dwhite80056 жыл бұрын
BabuBangaram That's your opinion, Gods' existance is fact.
@rationalsceptic76345 жыл бұрын
D White Really: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/m92PlrGAs87Me30.html
@pneuma_23-rb4dxАй бұрын
Dan Mclellan is lucky he studied from this woman. She's intelligent and gorgeous.
@evangelosnitsopoulos58976 жыл бұрын
...........Dr. Francesca is one of my favourite female Scholars, as wise as beautiful.... I am so happy that we have such intelligent and free thinking people, in this world, like both speakers .....
@patrick61107 жыл бұрын
Advice to the wise: don't go on a show with Tom Holland without something clear and interesting to say. Hard to look smart when the other guy offers depth, context, perspective and original thinking in short sentences with grace and some dose of humour.
@kennethkimbroug80873 жыл бұрын
and it is obvious that he doesn't have a chip on shoulder the entire time like she does.
@barnabyrt10128 жыл бұрын
goddess
@volksdorff Жыл бұрын
37:22 wonderful, an enlightend man, just freely speaking from his heart, deeply feeling the truth. Oh praise, praise logos!
@johnbuggy91218 ай бұрын
Love Tom Holland. He has an unquenchable passion for knowledge. The other speaker has a lovely smile.
@yolandbator1808 ай бұрын
Unirony
@ablebaker86646 жыл бұрын
Brilliant woman. It's about time we subjected religious doctrine to peer review. It's one thing to put them in the perspective of being an evolving folk tradition of paleolithic attempts to understand nature. It's even appropriate to acknowledge religion as one of the foundations of civilization and culture... but in the present day any of these that were presented in the form they took in there ancient iterations, they would be considered laughable by the same cultures that take their laboriously edited and adapted forms as "immutable truth" within the modern cultural context.
@Alnivol6664 жыл бұрын
"It's about time we subjected religious doctrine to peer review." - if you were actually familiar with the academic field, you would know that this has been happening for decades. In the academia, this is how they do things. I know...shocker.
@raydelavega74575 жыл бұрын
You can now spell Religion another way: GULLIBLIGION!!! For the Religious!!!
@montymartell20817 ай бұрын
An extremely wise man once said religion was started when the first con man met the first fool. Quoted by Mark Twain
@WH-hi5ew4 ай бұрын
Religions typically start I think with altered states of consciousness.... The Buddha going into the jungle, fasting, meditating and battling Mara to finally attain nibbana. Jesus going into the desert, fasting, praying - battling the devil and winning his battle too. These are pre-modern accounts altered states of consciousness that preceded their subsequent respective teaching careers. Similar stories occur in shamanic traditions too.
@janegene17233 жыл бұрын
Very interesting to listen to, but the audio isn't good. There should have been a microphone.
@dnehs10548 жыл бұрын
Everybody should believe what they want to believe as long as they don't bother me.
@nevanderson11646 жыл бұрын
+Kev Bee It should be taught, as a myth, along side stories of the Egyptian and Norse god. Best our kids know about it than it be a secret that may seem enticing later.
@wayne-kj4iw6 жыл бұрын
and to keep their religion out of government... in god we trust off my money ... and a woman's right to choose ... keep religion in ti's place ... in church on sunday
@dwhite80056 жыл бұрын
That's stupid.
@dwhite80056 жыл бұрын
Jesus Christ is Lord and sovereign and His teaching is not to be taken from any aspect of our lives, private or public. Gays don't bother you in their own bed but when they demand to be seen in commercials and on the street and their ways taught in school where does the line stop? Or when the Muslims get their own quarter of the school yard and turn your child into a follower of Allah whay then? Christ is the only way, all other paths lead to destruction.
@dwhite80056 жыл бұрын
StoneFree1962 I did, God can't be a myth. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hsqjfdZhuq_RZ6c.html
@zapfanzapfan8 жыл бұрын
1:19:50 Lovesick stalkers are worse than religious extremists? Didn´t see that one coming...
@BhutanBluePoppy4 жыл бұрын
I wonder if Francesca sees a similarity of "animal sacrifice by some religions", and scientific usage of animals in ways that cause pain.
@HarryNicNicholas3 жыл бұрын
i think even science would stop using animals if there was a better, i mean, more effective way to do tests, they may become cynical, or hardened, but i don't think they do it for fun. we all wash, no one cares about bacteria.
@senorbb21503 ай бұрын
"Tom- tell us a little about your credentials"... OK I'll ramble on pointlessly for 15 minutes about how I came to write about Islam and then what happened after that.
@markmywords3128 жыл бұрын
I wonder if she realises (or would ever want to)that's she's the natural successor to Christopher Hitchens.
@danielschaeffer12948 жыл бұрын
Actually, no. Douglas Murray is.
@FOUAD60SANTOS8 жыл бұрын
spot on
@nucleus78967 жыл бұрын
Nonsense
@damianeadie5107 жыл бұрын
markmywords312 I have heard her say she does consider Jesus existed as a real person... I'd love to see her discuss/debate this with Richard Carrier... It would be weird but cool to have two Atheist historians debating for and against the historicity of Jesus :-)
@nevanderson11646 жыл бұрын
+Daniel Schaeffer Hitchins has no natural successor. There is no one with his quickness of wit, prodigious memory, and Oh so smooth style. He was always gracious, even when slicing the opposition into very small pieces. Douglas Murray is weak in comparison
@okfanriffic36327 жыл бұрын
Is it ok that I love Francesca's mind BUT also find her very very very very very attractive?
@rustykrusty30987 жыл бұрын
ok fanriffic Shes a bitch
@virgilallen18986 жыл бұрын
One will not comment on the beauty of ms Stavrakopoulou for that would be rude BUT I would like to state that I could listen to both of these intelligent people all day,and would state that intelligence is the beautiful thing in this,I have wasted my time as an electrician..I should have dedicated my studies elsewhere, there is so much more in the universe to learn than the rubbish my religious family and Grammer school subjected me too ( in their own distorted way cos' that was all bollocks).
@nevanderson11646 жыл бұрын
+virgil Allen The real world needs electricians Virgil. You bring light and heat to make a house a home. It is an honourable profession, enjoy that. Many are not able to do what they would yearn to
@tomormiston65926 жыл бұрын
Have to be honest, as an atheist with friends and family who are devote Christians, involved in their community, social justice, charities and in one case saving lives, all motivated by their beliefs (non are C of E) Tom H does come across as bit of a condescending arse.
@woodygilson3465 Жыл бұрын
The mafia have a reputation for doing good deeds in their neighborhoods as well.
@fahdchoudry77636 жыл бұрын
Greek and Cypriot women...Damn! Gorgeous
@barnabyrt10128 жыл бұрын
46:43 the same old childish feminist bullshit "or godess".
@MrziggyOak4 жыл бұрын
pls listen to the woman , don't say anything to try to alter her thoughts while she is speaking. now it is when u use ur imagination and put urself using your upper head to appreciate what's in her head. Remember that she, unlike u only has one head with a real brain. Don't let ur eye or eyes as beautiful or intelligent she appears to wake up the brain in ur bottom head control ur upper head. Now we all can continue to the next level of communication