Yeah and he did the same for Adrian Belew before that too. Zappa was a great guy.

@@setasan Your wish has been granted - Frank is still alive!

he plays kinda sloppy actually if you hear it well is like he is playing near at top of his ability meanwhile for Vai is effortless and clean. Zappa doesnt use his pinky finger much either

​@@naegleriafowleri2230🤓🤓?

​@@naegleriafowleri2230i actually really like how "dirty" and "sloppy" he is on guitar

Absolutely and Vai only got better after this

Zappa was filth

​@@kosta130 he had stink foot

Without shit ugly zappa, the music World would be much better 🤣 🤣

@@kosta130 WTF does that mean?

The white zone is for loading and unloading only..

Genius

So you wanna be a pop star?

@@jamesrieff3658 If you want load or unload, go to the white zone.

zappa's "music" sounds like an intelligent but completely unmusical person decided to invent a character who is a professional musician, and then that actor/writer decided to write and play "music" as they saw it.... it's annoying, a-melodic noise but it seems like he put a lot of work into producing very consistent annoying a-melodic noise

Mark Catalano Together they were the Sith.

Joe Satriani was Darth Plagueis

Joe Satriani was also a teacher of Vai. He had the best on his side.

Hey Xavier

Bro are you still alive ?

😂

Every member of The Mothers of Invention might as well being created in the Zappa lab lol

@@zackzallie8735 That's a fair statement lol

Well'Dude he's a full blowned Xenomorph on meth,,blow,,me to Zappas Garage for an full service,,you dig^^?

why is the top comment a dsp detractor lmaooooooo pig ups

He also transcribed Zappa's music starting in 1978

I agree. It's too bad that he wasn't around longer.

@@valuecalc The World could really use Frank Zappa and George Carlin about now. RIP Peace

@@jimiplayscobo5877, those two men were phenomenal entries in the world of show business.

his guitar playing and note-agglomerations (can't really call them melodies) are extremely linear and the very opposite of "fluid"

​@rickdeckard1075 someone's hate-watching, lol. Three comments soying out on this video alone.

@@placeholderplaceholder6056 oooooo i have a fan! soooo arguably excited! such underrated recognition! lol....

@@rickdeckard1075 I can pull up a little menu that shows all the comments you've left, it's not really a lot of effort to see all your insecure ranting

@@placeholderplaceholder6056 😊😊😊 its like being cyberstalked but in a good way! lol

The camera work and sound engineering make this possible to witness now

I find Zappa's solo much more interesting.

vai was born into the shred scene and trained his fingers for it, but was in ways sculpted by zappa. the most impressive mentor to student ever

@@selliantuttimusi6735 Yes, for all his brilliance Vai is'nt near the excellence of FZ, only in technique, where he probably beat his mentor, and that's the difference. FZ is analogue vinyl listening, while Vai is more clinical, like a CD or digital ha, ha, :D But hey that's also an art, just not so much for me.

@@selliantuttimusi6735 trust me they BOTH made each other better . Frank is top dog here and its more about his unique style and melodic sense but what was created by mixing peanut butter and chocolate here is VERY GOOD and works VERY well to draw each player into the others world and makes them BETTER FOR IT. I would go as far as to say that even saying anything that hints at negative is an afront to Frank considering how serious he was about HIS ART and the fact that he liked Steve and was able to take his playing somewhere with him which is PART OF FRANKS GENIUS of seeing things and also not coming so much from EGO but rather result oriented which is pretty rare . Just because Steve went on the have a career playing and writing certain types of music doesnt mean that THE MUSIC CREATED HERE isn't part of his work and a highlight but not a place he was ever gonna go on his own for so many reasons including wanting to EAT as Frank took a difficult road wearing his shoes on the wrong foot . Lotta people would want to be as far out as Frank or at least explore a bit more and GUESS WHAT . it might end their ability to express themselves in other ways based on the limited demographic that Frank Served and Still does. Frank is my favorite Musician so i am a fan but many fans dont realize that MANY PEOPLE DO NOT GET FRANKS THING , his name is pretty known but that doesnt mean people listen or appreciate his art and it took a fair amount of his intellect to monetize his art and balance his artistic goals AND the REAL SHIT of having a life , a family and like daily life including a home recording lab and enough money to be left alone to work and make his art . What Frank did was a feet in many ways and some of that includes not being untrue to his impulses both ethical or moral and artistically which weave a bit. Trust me , This shit is bad ass as a moment for both players and people . TRUST FRANK he wasn't much of a liar and this was VERY MUCH his expression as the Sage kinda character with the young Jedi here and its pretty epic and makes TOO MUCH SENSE .

@@MrGravloc yes. The student influences the teacher. Once the journeymen says to the apprentice. "you got it kid" does the journeymen take notes. At that point they fed off each other

Love this comparison

his technical ability was nowhere near vai. But he is a brilliant musician though

Totally agree , you can be technically ' perfect ' but that doesn't mean you are good . True feelings and the imperfectionism is the way . Zappa was a genius and technically was a perfectioanist hes music compositions clearly reveal this and thats why mostly musicians understand what he did . But when he played he didn't consentrate on being perfect , no no he played it as you mention with hes feeling and the small imperfections here and there really gave this it's ' sould ' . Music can be too cold and sterile . Look at all hose over edited pieces of music out thre today . Even guitar is quantisiced to follow perfect and drums too ect . Well nobody can play true on beat all time and the small ' out ' of beat ( but still within ) is what gives the music it's soul and the sound of HUMANS playing. Otherwise it all just sound as a machine with all totally correctec , quantisiced and overdubbed and samples put in place of errors ect . Modern music production is crap and make all sound the same and with the loudness war well can it be worse ? Hopefully bands will go back to just PLAY THE MUSIC instead of just edit the music . ( I know a few producers who DO this and their productions sound great )

@@kennethsrensen7706 les gooo

frank's guitar playing looks jerky and awkward to me....more of a composer.... he's doing something right though, I have over 50 of his albums, including bootlegs....

Could shit zappa play guitar with his ugly nose? Hahahaha

+Rick Dunkley Ouvindo agora e pensando "como esse cara não é reconhecido nem por outros músicos nem por listas do tipo Os 10 mais??

Muitos pessoas nao pensarem serios de Zappa porque ele era estranho para eles. Tambem fez temas e falou cosias controversas. Ele sempre gostava de musica classical como Stravinsky e nos utimos anos fez mais com isso e electronico como o album Jazz From Hell (um dos meus favoritos.)

+Rick Dunkley i listen to his music and fall asleep. it's boring.

+Rick Dunkley Courtney Love in the same boat imho

+jj ww Because, you have no idea the profound influence that was and is Frank Zappa. Without his influence, we wouldn't have some of the high-end guitarist we do. Well, without Zappa, Blackmore, Hendrix, and Holdsworth, we wouldn't, but I am sure you get the point. You obviously don't play music, or you wouldn't be saying it's boring.

Terrible loss

@@winstonsmith9533 I agree also.

Why does it hurt when i pee....

@@rogerthat1100 See your Doctor !

Zappa was garbage

Never too late

me too

it's good to have it now. with appreciation to those photographers and audio technicians who documented them.

Zappa was trash Street musicians sound much better than shit ugly boring asshole zappa

Atchur Plezhour He started transcribing for Frank when he was 18. Frank didn’t let him tour with the band until he was 20

i saw steve at the fillmore east when he first started to play live shows met his parents there

The bass player of peaches en regalia was only 15 at the time of the recording and had to put a fake mustache to look older

@@loutrec4375 Shuggie Otis!

Right up there with Blues Saraceno playing with Ginger and Jack when he was 17. Yikes.

Steve had the right approach with Frank, and Zappa responded with kindness and generosity!

Ed Pawelko maybe. But only musicians listen to him.

@@sebdos incorrect

It's the difference between being a virtuoso musician, composer, singer with years of experience and a virtuoso guitar player. Vai looks over at Zappa several times while soloing while Zappa just plays with calm confidence. Vai is a virtuosic instrument player and part of Zappa's orchestra. Zappa is the consummate musical genius. Vai stays in the upper strings of his guitar. Zappa is all over using each sonic range for deep emotional effect. Vai is great. Zappa is supreme. A more complete musician than Vai ever became. And, to Vai's credit, Zappa didn't let just anyone play with him as part of his band. He must have seen something in Vai. But I cannot, for the life of me, remember any Vai songs.

@@booghboogha I don't know much about Vai but don't people say that he's an average songwriter?

@@dannydorko7075 I never got into Vai either. Technical virtuosity without much soul leaves me bored.

+Russell White I'm 62! First thing I heard from Frank, was "Weasels Ripped My Flesh", with The Album Cover Going "RRRRRRZZZZZ! That Clean Cut Dude Shaving with A Weasel! I was maybe 16? It Was Like WTF? I HAD To Check This OUT!

+Russell White zappa was not misunderstood at all. you were either interested in his musical inventions or you weren't. but misunderstood? No, i don't think so. bro.

+Russell White yeah, i' m 60, from Austria, Zappa was and is great.

+Russell White I'm 64 and been a fan since Absolutely Free And Freakout! in the late 1960's. Frank's head was miles above our heads. Yes, we had Zappa and Hendrix and all of the good music.

+Wardell Brown "Hi, I'm James Carl Black and I'm the only Indian in the band, When are we going to get paid and can I get a beer". I was a friend of the late Bruce Cameron and Ant-Bee(Billy James) If you are a fan of Zappa's than don't miss the fantastic music from these guys.

well to be fair, the prostate eating a dick is precisely what resulted in Freddie getting AIDS....

@Jonathon Homophobe much? Nice joke, but think about the shite you spout before you...

Not sure what was homophobic about my comment...I was really just stating a fact in an unusual way

why? My gay friends joke that with each other ALL THE TIME and even call each other "fags" all the time. What, do you go from video to video policing the comments and telling the bad people what they can and can't say. THAT IS how Merc got it. If Trump got it YOU'D make some nasty comment and you actually probably already have said something far worse. Get a life. It was a joke. I wouldn't say it, but so what if he did. Ignore it. We don't need you being the social police or need you being a heterophobe.

Phobe would imply he was "frightened" by homos (to use your term) and I did not sense that in his post. Are you a true heterophobe?

Other than Valley Girl, Zappa had no hits

I saw this band play in December of 1981, in San Diego. It was an excellent show. Moon even came out with a paper bag over her head, and sang "Valley Girl." We had no idea who, or what it was...

​@@derkommissar785 "hit" wasnt a Zappa word, keep listening..

@@derkommissar785think he means songs such as Bobby brown and yellow snow, a better word than hit would be popular I suppose

Don't tell me.I was there and i am still listening to It After 39 years...

i like so much Frank's intro part. at the times i did not know the sung version ( the one into the Them or Us album) and i was impressed by the difference between the two. this is so much brilliant

Its badass

Yup

i cant get anywhaere close to either ... yes i can play isolatd licks ...but they were cohesive !!!!

its unpopular to like both steve vai and frank zappa? what

@@MrMW2nd Have you seen this comment section?

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He always improvised. Never pre-written.

@@neeltheother2342 the songs were written and he improvised them every set

Genius.

He said it brilliantly in an interview: He is given a portion of time to decorate. It's so beautifully poetic, and encapsualtes the intellect and approach he had to music. And it reflects, he's not just playing licks, he's communicating something beyond the verbal. It's language, but Frank's language, in bursts of improvisional motifs.

I guess you need to know all the scales there are to avoid them! Love his playing though.

I’m looking at this 9 years later and I don’t see Steve missing the fret board….it also sounds like he’s just cruising along IMO.

Lets not be too critical. Sometimes I can't find my keys.. but then i do.

No. The solo is absolutely fluent and in tune in my honest opinion!

I was lucky enough to see Steve play his first tour with FZ in 1980. He didn’t get to cut loose like in this show, but my roommates and I were like ‘who is that guitarist? He’s ‘f’n great!’

@@lifelongfan07 Yeah, he did miss. Not that it matters at all, but he did. Look closer.

ZAPPA HATED DRUGS

We didn't. Of course Frank didn't. That's why he was so talented. He was sober and smart.@@remisolal5155

@@remisolal5155Also Steve Vai only joined the Zappa band late in 1980. So this guy never saw him "in the 1970s"

I admit I never heard this. But my life was spent around musician/ composers who had mad respect for him. I'm surprised but yet the net brings out the uglies.

That's probably why... No one likes to feel *that* inferior :D

People shit on Vai because they know he is MOZ and PAG rolled into one of the most influencial musicians of our times... and they will allways be Antonio Salieris.

+Murky Bongwater yup!!

Nobodies like frank zappa dude? Educate yourself before you make comments like that.

Cobo Hall in Detroit.

The '82 tour was The Guitar Apocalypse Tour with Vai in the band! Some of the European gigs are astounding!

It was 80, I was a junior in high school. Cobo Hall was rocked that night. He left after getting hit with a nickel.

charlie dee, your right. he got hit before that with a glow stick and Frank warned the crowd and suggested to the fan that threw it to use it as an anal probe. Good times and awesome concert. I was crushed when I heard he passed.

Voodoo Child saw, not “seen”. Frank would have cringed when you typed that hillbilly shit.

Jim Obrien me 2

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Zappa was a boring clown

@@kosta130 nothing about this video says “clown”. You’re the boring one

@emmanueltzikas-mn6wx many of his ex band members complained that His Endless improvisations went Nowhere!

@@highwaystar3780 without the shit ugly zappa, the music World would be much better 🤣

Front roll seats please lol

Diamon david Me too thanks LOL!

+Ziggy Zappada (“Frappanised”) Yes my friend, here we are, happy together for a great great show....And the secred word of tonigt is.............let me tell you something, all what'past is a seed of future.....so the secret Word of tonigt is..... Frank Zappa, and welcome to all you followers .and fall-owers

+Ziggy “Frappanised” Zappada damn. i think i've seen you in every Zappa video I've seen xD respekt.

dooshbag612 lol... you probably have, usually on a six month rotation of each Zappa site, There is good music around, but nothing compared to Frank. Thanks for your comment.

***** You never know:)

+TR6988 I'll be watching this Vai kid, he may be famous, someday!

Jeffrey P Let me know:)

+michael mattice I saw him just over a week ago. He's almost got it. He needed Tosin, Nuno, Zack and some other young un named Yngwei to help him out. That stuff almost put you to sleep. It seems like if they wanted to play all of the notes, they had to use both hands on the fret board which didn't leave them any hands to pick with. Just twiddly twiddly twiddly all over the place and making faces and trying to pick with your tongue. And what's with that name "Steve"???? Why can't he pick a normal name like Tosin or Zack or Nuno or Yngwie???? He'll never be a big star with a name like Steve. Just sad

***** Agreed! He needs to get with the times and get a normal guitarists name. A few more "Slash", "C.C.", "Satchel", "Angus", "K.K.", "Dweezel"! Come on Steve! No one cares, because you have a lame name!

I saw him twice -- both times in Santa Cruz, CA. The first was the U.S. tour several months before this video was recorded. I was 17 years old and sitting in the 3rd or 4th row. It was, simply put, a stunning show. Zappa introduced Steve Vai, who was clearly in another league from earlier lead guitarists like Adrian Belew. Yet, despite Vai's talent, it was FZ's solos that left me speechless. I feel so fortunate to have attended that show. It might sound strange to hear but, to this day, no one replaces the genius of Frank Zappa in this listener's heart.

I saw Frank twice in Buffalo also saw his son twice it runs in the blood all the shows were fantastic (except the 2 Dwiesle shows had a lot of rain)

Yup. Saw him several times in his New York City shows. I was more of a progressive or hard rock guy but he was just amazing to watch for pure technical chops. I just loved when he would solo. In one show he had a small table on the stage, did a kick butt solo, then sat down at the table and smoked a cigarette while the rest of the band carried on for awhile, then got back up and joined in.

I saw that tour in NYC. Incredible show..

Thank you. I'll listen to that song.

Frank actually has a monologue in that song ahah

No, it's not. It's Vai's Charvel Strat. The Hendrix Strat is sunburst with burn marks all over it and some weird kind of pickups.

@@funnrun3399 No, it's a Stratocaster-type guitar, as in double cutaway with contours, 3 single coils, and a whammy bar.

Huh I did not say anything about Steve Vais guitar why are you so upset 🤔