​@@megadave1197He did need to. Not for his own music but to create bigger pieces for more instruments because he had massive composing potential.

There was a moment later in his life when he and miles davis used to hang out from time to time, and if i recall correctly miles tried to teach him a thing or two

That would have killed the magic. His type of music is blues and jazz based, with lots of individual improvisation. I think Zappa only allowed himself to play solos.

@@megadave1197 he did. he also did need to know more about the legal stuff regarding contracts in music business. He would have needed much much more to not have been burnt out by the "corporate machinery".

He had a profound respect and admired symphony orchestras.

At least Velvet Green is a Jethro Tull song. 🙂

"Son of Mr. Green Jeans"

The Return of the Son of Mr Green Jeans

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"I'm George Duke, and I approved this message!"

Zappa is a narcissist, much? Making Hendrix "ignorant". Yet no one swoons over ego man Zappa's playing when Jimi's skill level was unattainable by Zappa.

Where did he say jimi was ignorant?.. He just said if Jimi could write standard musical notation, which he factually couldn't do, Jimi could probably have been a good composer for more musicians. That's not an insult to Jimi or his music, it's a suggestion that Jimi could've succeeded at doing something else *as well* if he had the knowledge of how to do it. This is basically Zappa's way of saying that he didn't just think Jimi was a great guitar player, but that Jimi also had great musical ideas that might've translated better to being played on more than a single 6 stringed instrument. Also someone asked for Zappa's opinion here, which is why we're seeing this clip, so someone thought his opinion of Jimi was of interest at the very least.

@@Markos-yk1lw what are you talking about? Are you O.K.?

By suggesting that Hendrix couldn't write in standard notation Z is implying ignorance

I'm told it's only for people aged over 18 (21 in certain other jurisdictions)!😅😅😅

​@@user-hw2vm4ut3xhi hi hi

Pretty sure it was the stanky leg 😏

Probably just shifted and his ginormous c0ck tore it to shreds

​🤣👍🏻​@katielowen only Jimi could rip green velvet pants doin the stanky leg

In French we say : on ne donne pas du caviar aux porcs

And we who see through his kingly clothes like it as well...

I've been a lifelong musician for over 40 years I have learn many things from Frank Zappa but the biggest takeaway I got was there are two types of musicians in the world. Those who write music for other musicians and those who write music for everyone else.

zappa is for everyone but only some listen

@@jackknife4547 exact same can be said about Rush

Agreed, yet he harbored a great deal of resentment, as evidenced by his unwise fixation of social ills he perceived. His latter catalog could've been far more approachable if less angst.

​@@JonBrown-po7he Sorry wdym?

@@poppatato4183 In my perception his discography was a witty mix of Rock and brilliant, subdued sarcasm up to the 'Joe's Garage' parts one through three. At this time Zappa had banded with other musicians to protest censoring music lyrics, which led to many angry tirades of little effect. His music output lost the sarcastic askance portrayal of human duplicity. This latter output 'seemed' devoid of that bit of mirthful embrace of awful reality, replaced by a poor effort to produce classical music rather. My brother an educated and experienced musician in many genres had a less than admiring opinion. All the best 👋.

@@JonBrown-po7he haha, oh okay I think I get what you mean. I'm honestly a pretty new listener to Frank [only Hot Rats] so I can't agree or disagree entirely but thanks for the reply.

@@poppatato4183 His lyrics could be witty, biting satire or simply his skewed take on a social norm. I believe, from what I've read, and etc that Frank came from a troubled home. His music reflected a disdain for social presumptions coming out of 'Middle America' 1950's, that today would be considered unfair to minorities, women, and nonconformist and yet excusing the mainstream's sins.

He was also disgusted by him being an irresponsible junky and drunk.

Cool recognizes cool, this you can bet money on...🎉😂

Seems one had talent and the other had skill

@@ronrico2620 ?

based on his tone and careful choice of words in this clip it sounds more like envy.

2020 I hear help I'm a rock for 1st time..... mind blown 2

I was 14 in 79’ Zappa’s Joe’s Garage was and is one of my favorites.

​@Gratefulman1965 👍I was born in '65 too and Joe's Garage til this day is my favorite FZ album. Most of my classmates did not get it back then.

in 1965 I was 12 years old then shortly afterward I discovered that same album... and figured out the entire thing was a parody!

"Maybe you should live with your mama, she could do your laundry and cook for you....." off of "Sheik Yer Booty" always got me.

Oddly ..Women found him very SEXY 🔥

❤ The uglier the man the sweeter the music.

no talent

@@danielkirby8355 everyone knows that talent is in the eye of the beholder. Also go to KZfaq and enter frank zappa on the mike douglas show. He plays pretty standard rock lead guitar and i think he is a great guitarist.

exaclty, like he did for Jeff Beck

which is the worst thing ever that could have happened.

​@@sound-ur1bqSo EDDIE KRAMER didn't cut it, huh?!

@@RICHBLACKCOCK Eddie Kramer was a recording engineer - not a music composer/score writer. Eddie did an outstanding job in helping to bring Jimi's sonic ideas to fruition, but he wasn't capable of writing his ideas into sheet music.

@@dmoore0079 CHAS CHANDLER then. At least up until the EL lp. Cut Jim & those artists some slack. The vast majority of these INSPIRED! players, didn't read music. Ok. So they played by ear; feel. 👂That's uh good thing actually. What recording tracking devices were used in the 1960's? 4 track? 8 tracks? These rock titans were pushing beyond those boundaries.

That sounds FANTASTIC and a memory forever. Thanks for sharing that ❗

I saw him live twice.. once in LA 1984, once in Spain 1988. I was also an avid hitch hiker and once got a ride with a keyboard player in Austria in 1983 who was in his band at one point

FZ concert.. one van and "lots of snow"...🤔

Yes, exactly. That's my favorite Hendrix album side too.

@@chicklets4ever51 Agreed. The studio was Jimi's orchestra, and with Eddie Kramer to help, it was the way he realised his ideas. Some famous jazz player remarked that Jimi had 'big ears,' referring, not to his physical ears, but to his inner ability to hear a whole composition at once. Electric Ladyland really demonstrates this ability, and so does Rainbow Bridge.

I remember the first time I heard 1983 A.M.I.S.T.T.B. on headphones. Such an amazing musical composition. Very underrated. Every bit as good, if not better, than Third Stone from the Sun, imo. Then there's the remix of 1983 where Eddie Kramer and Jimi just went crazy on the effects and panning. Incredible.

Love those tracks ! JIMI & all of his band mates were amazing ! Incredible music they made. I've never gotten high, but those 3 tracks must be out of this world to someone who's blitzed ! I love them just the way they are while sober. LONG LIVE THAT SCREAMING EAGLE !!!

@@levitaggart5943 "I love them just the way they are while sober." I like that! Music and particularly good music is good like that.

Frank saw our current era before it even happened.

Rather have Hendrix around now

​@@megadave1197same, he's like a myth now

Frank: always ahead of his time.

Why? So we could get another finger waving morality lesson from a far left wing musician? One who was wrong on every prediction he had in the 80s?

There's a ton of his interviews on KZfaq right now. I'm thinking because he was very articulate about POLITICS and American culture. Keep looking. He was an amazing man and talent. Didn't do drugs or alcohol and asked same of his band members. Impossible to remember his intricate compositions if you were high as hell. Indeed.😊

Dude was smart..

definitely check out his interviews

Lee su autobiografía. La terminó antes de MORIR

Vio y habló de cosas y situaciones político sociales de una manera que otros artistas no hicieron. Uno de sus grandes fanáticos es Matt groening, creador de los Simpsons que ha usado la visión de Zappa para sus historias pero mucha gente no lo sabe. Mira el video de cuando Zappa habló en el senado de Usa luchando contra la censura en la música, él sólo enfrentando a lo más rancio del partido republicano de los 80' s. Dee Snider se unió a su lucha pero muchos otros músicos no tomaron partido, cuestión que más tarde todos se pusieron en contra de la industria...

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marketable? lol nah

how?

@@danielkirby8355 research his music and his contributions to the industry. He wasn’t just a guy who wrote and sang some vulgar songs.

@@vanmann8347 I can't find one thing.. he never made a single objective innovation in music. Only subjective musical experimentation.. he sucked cash from wealthy friends to finance his delusional fantasies.

Zappa was unique in his musical style. Watching some of the older interviews with hosts who brought him on, basically to mock him, never flustered him. He was always very focused and well spoken, despite knowing what the host’s goal was. He was as different as a talented artist could be. Compare him to the crap that today’s no talent “artists” produce.

Not really. He was am arrogant chump

You are right. Frank could be incredibly critical of people and this was a very kind assessment of him. His only mention of Jimi's shortcoming as a musician was to offer solution.

He seems to hate being around a pair of junkies.....FZ had no patience for drug use.

My take on what Frank's saying is that Hendrix was a musical genius, and the only way Jimi could express his musical ideas was through his guitar, and that his musical ideas transcended the electric guitar. Everything was a nail to Hendrix's hammer (guitar).

@@kevinrogers7650 yes!

Who cares. He should have been kissing Hendrix’s ass all the way to his grave. He he doesn’t even get to Hendrix’s toes as far as talent goes. But in ego and pretentiousness, he definitely towers over anyone.

He also had some plan of starting to play with emerson lake and palmer.. now how wild would that have been

Steve Allen show, Frank Zappa Playing music on a Bicycle 1963

Jimi's so overrated. Not bad, just overrated.

Are you retarded?​@@NyQuilDonut

​@@NyQuilDonut I find fz to be over rated. Classic case of "study without application is a waste". All that hard work and education zappa had just to write songs about rhino farts

@@BOBANDVEG Yeah, Zappa is more pretentious than people like to admit.

Didnt Jimi jam with Bo Hannson albeit briefly and they wanted to work together???

Also shame Jimi wasnt singing on the lp..but then again the rawness was lost..still its an interesting lp by Gil

Yeah, no. There's maybe a couple of tolerable tracks but it's mostly cringe. The first track Angel is a travesty.

agreed. Over produced, soulless wall of sound-esque crap which adds nothing to his songs. Frank wished Jimi had tools to explore new musical territory and not to turn his existing music into an orchestral porn soundtrack. @@flippinguitar1979

Huh! I had no idea…. It’s a bizarre listen.

It helps color the incident Lol

@@theyrekrnations8990 You can see Frank’s very slight smile right at the end.

@@robertkise Ur right, the whole incident apparently was humorous to Frank. Lol

Ya think...

He was nodding on smack.😂

No he couldn’t have. Jimmy had too much melanin

​@@unclejesse4271are you trying to imply zappa was racist?

@@unclejesse4271 such an ignorant statement.

​@@zipperblues6714 not Zappa, people willing to easily recognize Hendrix in other genres. Which may not be necessarily true, not because he was black, but because as genius as you are, it doesn't mean you will be genius at any genre, at anything else

@@andrefig822 I don't think it's accurate to say people would be racist towards a black man getting into jazz fusion.

And will remain that way.

Vs put on an unrealistic pedestal and treated like a god? This is how all “celebrities” should be treated

Nah, if you know, you know.

You know you are talking about a mediocre musician when one of their main selling points is high IQ. I’ll pick a heartfelt but less intelligently musician every time.

@@samot1808many of the best musicians have very high IQs.

@@AmericanNope i think you missed my point

Then you don't think much

@@JayBird-zc4kh ironic statement

I'm sure Frank didn't see it as a magic moment at the time. With Buddy passed out snoring on his couch and Jimi ripping his pants and his wife having to sew them up. He was most likely irritated with the whole thing.

only for those that want to emulate it later.

Agreed- great comment....

But Jimi's albums are multi-tracked masterpieces. It was another side to his ability to play raw rock live.

Jimi was moving in the direction Franks suggestion would have helped before he died and considering the depth on Electric Ladyland, if he had had a man who could notate Jimis ideas, who knows. Space Symphonies

Very astute and insightful comment for sure,who knows if Jimmy really would have benefited from it but had the opportunity availed itself he might have made good use of it. He certainly had some bad influences around him Buddy Miles being one of them and I'm sure there were many others whose names we would know. Take it easy Jimmy we love you man.

Don't bother. There is nothing there but sneering and hostility

​@@markthomas6703 There's no " there " there...lol

Oh Lord, i was 36!😂

In spades...🙏

His sense of timing was incredible at contrary of some people think, he had a fine-regulated metronome in his head, and instead of being bound to it, to a exact fractioned timing, he would bend it to his will to give some great interpretations and feelings, a bit different of playing stuff without timing. ALWAYS trying new interpretations, new solo variations, not always happy with the results, but never let down for his "failures" in mini-creations. Giving his influences, and jamming record, that's totally understandable.

This exactly. Sometimes I feel it's a little unfair the slack he gave ppl on that but otherwise he was right on the money with a lot of the stuff he talked about. The drugs too, in a way, but I feel like he went way too hard-core with it, this being an excellent example. Jimi was a brilliant musician and you could never knock that

@@hyponomeone I'm with you. FZ would think, how much better would you be if you didn't use drugs. I'm of the mind that, alot of creative people did, and do, their best work with a little help. George Carlin for one.

@@spooge33 absolutely agreed. They can help and they can hurt. Charles bukowski wrote drunk for his entire life... I can only write drunk, it's the only way to make the words flow without getting in your own way. There are discussions to be had on it, and the mentality that produces addiction is what you have to be most careful of

FZ didn't mention drugs once in this clip. What he didn't tolerate was musicians in his band being under the influence of drugs in the studio or at a show. What he absolutely did not tolerate was hypocrites.

​@cybore213 he did...if u can read between the lines. Why else would he mention buddy IMMEDIATELY SNORING, HE HATED OPIATES, at least from everything I've read & heard. It's called nuance. He doesn't come right out and say it...but everyone knows why he said that about buddy miles...smh

" ... all about SOUND" Jimi @ Woodstock

Jimi himself wanted to learn music theory before he died though, so Zappa has a point

​@@Hellyeahray21references plz?

Thank you!! F what he's saying! It's almost like a teacher saying, your child hasn't developed with the rest of the class and your child needs to be in a class where they could develop better.

Jimi would be the first to tell you that wasnt true. he was very self conscious of his limitation and use to winge at people calling him things like "The greatest guitarist alive" in interviews. Responding with comments like "I'll say i'm the greatest guitarist sitting in this chair"

I mean he did have a family

And, 'it's a very, very nice house. With two cats in the yard, life used to be so hard..."

​@@waynej2608noooooo 🤣

I bet it was in the middle of the street

Frank sure, but Jerry?

But Hendrix solo's better than Frank, so it shows Franks ability to write music notation didnt make him a better guitarist. Also if Frank is so obsessed with 'composing' and notation why didnt he compose his solos ? Vai, Friedman, May and others compose/construct their solos and that is part of what makes them more sophisticated and sound great, while frank just plays random scatter phrases and the gimmick wheres off quickly imo

Frank, Randy Rhoades, and Blackmore, and Alex Lifeson certainly were all certainly the first wave of guitarists with the ability to mix technical ability and a high level of theory into their playing

​@rushpittsburgh4 Alex Lifeson hahaha he was just copying the British prog bands who came about in the late 60s. No offence to Lifeson or Rush, they're great, but come the fuck on.

Robert Fripp has entered the chat

@@smahsgalligonfangeng6363 my thoughts exactly. Musical genius

Buddy Holly somewhat did

I am jealous of you

@@johncale1849 I actually saw Jimi twice in Miami the last time just a month or two before he died.

Holee. Shit. That must have been something.Cheers.

There is a big band version of Purple Haze on Zappa's The Best Band You Never Heard In your Life

Yes, not very hard to do

Yes, John Coltrane.

​@@michaelclyburn5858despite both being geniuses, john coltrane and hendrix share very little similarity

@@luisrocha26 Understood. However from my perspective, I believe that either of them could play absolutely anything with their instruments BECAUSE they were genius. Many people hear the band Helmet and just assume Page Hamilton just bangs out drop D chords and screams-when alas, he has a degree in music/music theory and many of his solos are jazz oriented as he is a huge Coltrane fan. You’d be surprised how similar Hendrix and Coltrane are believe me…cheers

Oh hell no lol

@@Mike-jv4rz zapped ya!

Spoke like it was the word of God but really out someone else’s ass.

@@goovialisticprofunks do elaborate.

As a guitarist, he was a hack !! Great composer and band leader, but guitarist, not so much.

@@brin57 really? , Then again, I myself don’t play too much guitar, so it’s harder for me notice his imperfections. In any case, if you say that he’s a hack, then I say he’s A GREAT HACK and he has inspired others to be hack guitarists as well. Lol Rest In Peace Jimi, Rest In Peace Frank🙏

@@brin57but thanks for your comment because I will learn something from it. 🙏✌️ and Rock N’ Roll

@@energyasylum997 you are correct - He was a great hack. Certainly not the virtuoso guitarist some would suggest, but absolutely a genius composer and band leader.

@@brin57 What the f..k am I reading? Unless you're only into shredding and pentatonic bending-wankery, sure FZ was a hack...

What are you talkin’ about

I saw Zappa twice! I was a rocker when you were just a gleam in your daddies eye. 😜

​@@thelastrebelshow1627 Why are you even commenting? There's no way you can know my age. Friggin bizarre comment.

Why is that unfortunate? That's a good thing 😂

Respecting ones self and loving thy self is how we learn to respect others thoughts sorry you missed the ✈️ flight😂😂😂❤ to humanity

@@frankorobinson1540 That's you showing respect, is it?

how?

language of envy more like it.

Mine too.

Try and read between the lines for once...moron simps

Really? He said that Jimi Hendrix's ideas should have been scored for orchestras, you muppet. That's literally the biggest compliment ever. Frank wrote orchestral scores. Does 1+1 = 4

I conclude you know nothing about FZ but you believe you do. Unfortunately, what you believe is not true.

Frank Zappa is purely obnoxious and pretentious musically.

Perhaps he didn’t want to bother w it. I’d bet $$ Jimi wouldn’t have

Frank was an amazing music writer and wrote down everything

Lol Jimi took a tape recorder to gigs and worked out everything at home. Frank has no clue.

@@1450JackCade so you are another Zappa fanatic. Big deal.

PS guys like Zappa remind me of Rick Beato; they think music is a game of sport. Oh irony!

That’s some balls to say anyone is overrated when praising Hendrix at the same time

Hendrix is a guitar god, poet, gifted songwriter, etc. Zappa is a turd musically. That’s just the way it is.

This was a compliment in Jimmy had so much more to offer and Frank was trying to help! Jimmy a genius in his own right.

This flew right over your head,sorry you missed the ✈️ flight

He most certainly thought so

Perfectly said! Step to the head of the class!😊😊😊😊

George Benson

Stevie Wonder

Frank Zappa.

​@@mikeregan3265 yeah, he was pretty good as well

Frank was probably super jealous of Hendrix' natural talent, showmanship, and success. Pompous ass said "I had written in articles .. . ."

But so much less talent than anybody else🤣

@@mattfoster5934 .. note, I used the word: "unfathomable"... You sir, are among that group

​@@danchristopher7957 😄

Zappa was amazingly talented and original. I like his idea for Hendrix too. Would’ve been interesting 👍

He certainly thought he was

Yes. He liked to use the fact that he could read and write music as some type of hierarchical classification for his work. However, his classical music isn’t very good. He was best rocking out and trolling the country.

Except he was almost always right.

​@@JonathanNelsonOfficial I named Frank, my General of total w.. not the fighting one but stopping it with his solo's, pitty that FrankandJimmy isn't there,,,

@@JonathanNelsonOfficial Why would anyone listen to your opinion? Frank wrote a ton of pieces, some of which have been performed by symphony orchestras, and they're great and well respected. Your opinion means nothing; people should check it out for themselves and not be swayed by the negative opinions of ignorant randos.

@@Gregorypeckory Why do you care so much then? Hmmm.

That's when the devil he farted, and she went right over the cliff.😅

Frank wasn't over-fond of people in general, but how is he being critical here? It's the opposite, he's paying Jimi a compliment, saying that he was capable of even more than he achieved on his own, if he had someone who could translate his musical ideas for other instruments beside the guitar. Frank is effectively suggesting Jimi had the musical vision to be a composer in the classical sense, but lacked the musical education to put his ideas into that format. It's not a criticism to simply state a fact - Jimi didn't have the know-how to write sheet music for an orchestra, for example. You can't go to an orchestra and tell them to go "dum dee dum dum fiddle-dee wang" when the beat goes "boppity bop bop"...

@@Broccoli_Highkicks Noted