Frederick Copleston on Schopenhauer (1987)

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mehranshargh

8 жыл бұрын

This program examines the systematic, philosophical pessimism of Arthur Schopenhauer and its emphasis on an infraconsciousness, or will, as the irrational motivating force in human nature. World-renowned author and professor Bryan Magee and distinguished philosophical historian Frederick Copleston discuss Schopenhauer’s theory of underlying reality as experienced through the inner self. On a larger scale, the concept of will is ultimately defined as energy, which is judged to be central to scientific explanations of what drives the universe.

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@infonomics
@infonomics 2 жыл бұрын
5:48 - All experience is subject dependent. 6:02 - Things in themselves. No direct access to them. Noumenon. 6:09 - Things as they appear to us. Phenomenon. 12:18 - even our idea of an ultimate reality belongs to the world of phenomena. So there's no way outside the circle.
@montymonto6430
@montymonto6430 2 жыл бұрын
Among the major thinkers and writers influenced by Schopenhauer he forgot to mention a very minor one, Tolstoy!
@terrequinnguerrieri5538
@terrequinnguerrieri5538 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for posting this discussion between two very wise scholars.A wonderful opportunity for ourselves and future generations !
@tombouie
@tombouie 3 жыл бұрын
Finalllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllly a competent/intelligent summary of Schopenhauer. I'm a retired physicist & am still trying to figure-out what the heck is time. I hate to admit it but you darn philosophers are my best lead so-far. Pls we need fewer philosophy historians & more practitioners of philosophy. For example most religious problems are in-essence philosophical problems. Even worse, people are naive enough to expect physicists to resolve religious/philosophical problems. Sorry, most physicists don't do live things at-all.
@Lawtasaj
@Lawtasaj 3 жыл бұрын
re religions, yes, Schopenhauer says religions are basically metaphysics of the people. And he gives his judgements on which religions he thinks best reflect what he thinks is the 'real' metaphysics: Hinduism, Buddhism and New Testament Christianity. The 'wrong' religions: Judaism, Islam
@optimoprimo132
@optimoprimo132 2 жыл бұрын
Time is a confusing concept at first, then it becomes easy and then it becomes even more difficult. When we think of the concept of time without the premise of God it is concept hard to grasp. Then when we think of time as being consequently and simultaneously connected with the creation of matter and change, it seems comprehensible. Then when you try to reconcile our experience of time with the nature of God and what time is to Him or what it is not... Yikes. An immutable being which by definition excludes material, change, limits, location, beginning or end yet is the cause of motion, change, matter and time, it becomes a mystery to us. That there is a being whose existence is outside of time yet within time so that time cannot be outside Him goes beyond what we can know as it goes beyond what we can define by our own experience and existence. God can know all things including what we perceive as the future. This goes beyond a prediction of the inner workings of a system which runs along according to rules and even applies to knowledge of the free actions of every person. All things are present to God and although within creation there is a past, present and future in God there is only present. I am who am. The beginning and end, the Alpha and Omega, all time existence belong to Him as He is being itself. Pure existence, pure actuality, pure power.
@tombouie
@tombouie 2 жыл бұрын
@@optimoprimo132 A Defense of Classical Theology (Part 0): Introduction kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qtpdosyFzcXDf30.html
@optimoprimo132
@optimoprimo132 2 жыл бұрын
@@tombouie Thanks
@tombouie
@tombouie 2 жыл бұрын
@@nidhishshivashankar4885 Thks but even in retirement geek physics, math, electronics, the-wife, etc is hard-enough. What I need is good-old-fashion philosophers to figure this otnological stuff out a lot like Schopenhauer did (ex: better/new axioms to based physics on). Contrary to popular belief, throwing more geek physics, math, electronics, the-wife, etc at it just don't cut the mustard (ex: NP problem instead of a P problem). Again thks the Kant pointer. I guest I can try to read him again (but most of it went over my head).
@Lawtasaj
@Lawtasaj 3 жыл бұрын
Wish we had programs like this today....I can't believe how much UK television has dumbed down!!
@markofsaltburn
@markofsaltburn 2 жыл бұрын
You can’t judge the quality of British TV based on one programme. This was broadcast mid-week very late at night (when almost no-one was watching) to fulfill the BBC’s public service remit. The whole schedule for the day in question will tell an entirely different story.
@firstal3799
@firstal3799 2 жыл бұрын
Sure that's because most of English society is very low brow. But do we have such programs today?
@suatustel746
@suatustel746 Жыл бұрын
Yeah there we have the audience made up cretins watching reality T. V.
@m.b.crawford5464
@m.b.crawford5464 2 жыл бұрын
I wish professors were having public conversations at this level today. You can tell that Magee is quite partial towards Schopenhauer's philosophy. But Copleston, who understands the topic a little better, isn't convinced of its validity in all respects. His criticism of Schopenhauer was deft and accurate.
@bernardliu8526
@bernardliu8526 Жыл бұрын
Your observations are, indeed, very astute. My own criticism of Schopenhauer is that how suicide is possible given that all is will-to-life.
@VladVexler
@VladVexler 3 жыл бұрын
Lovely to watch. Although the dynamics here a bit more tricky than in Bryan’s other interviews.
@markofsaltburn
@markofsaltburn 2 жыл бұрын
My granddad always used to say that it’s not a real philosophy discussion programme unless the participants wrestle naked on a bearskin rug at the end.
@markharris1223
@markharris1223 2 жыл бұрын
What a surprise it is to hear once again the word "wicked". It seems to have been largely forgotten that there is wickedness.
@JoseSanchez-zo5tb
@JoseSanchez-zo5tb 2 жыл бұрын
It’s in full force today.
@vhawk1951kl
@vhawk1951kl Жыл бұрын
wickedness is only a cognate or synonym of diddums-does-not-like-it; a creature of the emotional function with as many different interpretations or meanings there are men. supposedly it is an extended form of earlier wick "bad, wicked, false" (12c.), which apparently is an adjectival use of Old English wicca "wizard" (see witch). Formed as if a past participle, but there is no corresponding verb. For evolution, compare wretched from wretch. Seemingly it comes from the same stable as the religious/moralistic/normative "evil" which apparently is a species of *Super* diddums- does- not- like it, some sort of religious mumbo jumbo and a net that will catch every and any fish, all of them emanating from the emotional function, which only does like and dislike, yes and no, and is more of a sabre than a scalpel.
@markharris1223
@markharris1223 Жыл бұрын
@@vhawk1951klFeel better now?
@moesypittounikos
@moesypittounikos 6 жыл бұрын
When Lord Russell's cocky little protege had a near death experience in old age, he got closer to Frederick Copleston. A.J. Ayer realised there was more. Copleston was there to give some wisdom. Frederick Copleston also went 12 rounds in a debate with Russell. Russell was on the ropes a few times. Coplstons arguments for deism were a hard flurry of swings and uppercuts.
@paulheinrichdietrich9518
@paulheinrichdietrich9518 4 жыл бұрын
That is almost entirely correct, except that Copleston argured for theism not deism.
@matthewmayuiers
@matthewmayuiers 4 жыл бұрын
Also Wittgenstein was a Christian at the end of his life
@JeffRebornNow
@JeffRebornNow 4 жыл бұрын
@@Lamster66 I had to read a transcript of that debate for a college philosophy course. I think Russell was right in saying just because we identify particular causes for particular events doesn't mean the whole of everything has a cause. It's a different logical sphere. As he says, you're looking for something that can't be got and one ought not to expect to get. Some philosophers say that "Why something instead of nothing?" is the fundamental problem of philosophy. I don't think the question even makes sense. The world is just there. Period. Nor am I bothered by the idea of an infinite regress of causes. I don't feel driven by such a concept to adopt an uncaused cause.
@JeffRebornNow
@JeffRebornNow 4 жыл бұрын
@@Lamster66 It's unfortunate that Coplestone uses the term 'necessary,' because it can only apply to statements that are analytic, unless you want to maintain, like Kant, that there are synthetic a priori statements. Russell, in fact, had at one time believed this, and sets it forth as true in his 1911 book "The Problems of Philosophy." But then Wittgenstein came along and convinced Russell that mathematical propositions were analytic and this collapsed Kant's whole argument for the existence of synthetic a prioris. Russell loved mathematics and certainly didn't want to give up the idea that they were giving us knowledge of the world. But, in fact, they tell us nothing about the world because they hold true for any conditions in any possible world. They're tautologies. They're not statements of fact. They're statements of logical relations.
@Mr196710
@Mr196710 3 жыл бұрын
@@JeffRebornNow Depends on your spiritual bent as some believe that gematria is true.
@a.steinkeller7048
@a.steinkeller7048 2 жыл бұрын
I disagree with the "rejecting the will" part. I'd say that the philosophers here might have overlooked the part where Schopenhauer states that rejecting the will is for the sages, for the saints, for monks, that is, for those who work their whole life for the rejection of that will, of themselves, whereas the great majority of people should try to find cheerfulness where he/she can, that is, one should minimise pain and never seek happiness. In practical terms, our aim should be good health and peace of mind (A. Schopenhauer, Parerga and Paralipomena: Short Philosophical Essays, Vol. 1).
@le2380
@le2380 2 жыл бұрын
So basically Schopenhauer is an epicurean
@a.steinkeller7048
@a.steinkeller7048 2 жыл бұрын
@@le2380 Schopenhauer's philosophy could not be further from Epicureanism. For Schopenhauer the search for happiness is one of humanity's most grotesque moral errors. "Happiness" is only the momentarily relief after satisfying a will. The essence of the will, however, is insatiable and the cause of all human suffering. The daily cheerfulness to which he refers is the one attained through solitude and immersion into an activity that instigates the mind; this is why philosophy, music, and the arts in general, are Schopenhauer's prescription against boredom and suffering.
@le2380
@le2380 2 жыл бұрын
@@a.steinkeller7048 You understand Schopenhauer very well, but epicureanism less so. Contrary to popular belief they were not primarily seekers of hedonistic pleasure/happiness but actually wanted to minimize suffering and achive "happiness" that way (as a absence of pain, aponia, and reaching tranquility of mind, ataraxia). I believe Schopenhauers method as you describe it is a great way of doing this. Of course he wasn't a epicurian per se, but i still think his philosophy shares resemblance with that part of epicureanism.
@a.steinkeller7048
@a.steinkeller7048 2 жыл бұрын
@@le2380 Yes, he was not an Epicurean per se. The two points on which the two philosophers most definitely converge are 1- the construction of the world without a naturing (creating) nature (natura naturans) (Schopenhauer, A., Parerga and Paralipomena: Short Philosophical Essays Vol. 1, Cambridge University Press, 2016, p. 104); and 2- the division of human needs into three categories - (a) natural and necessary; (b) natural but unnecessary; and (c) unnatural and unnecessary (Schopenhauer, A., Parerga and Paralipomena: Short Philosophical Essays Vol. 1, Cambridge University Press, 2016, p. 303).
@crazybunkum
@crazybunkum 3 жыл бұрын
In his wonderful book ‘Confessions of a Philosopher’, Magee reminisces about Bertrand Russell’s ability to formulate beautifully constructed sentences extempore. Listening to this I would apply this compliment equally to him. His contributions, to my mind anyway, seem clearer and more polished than Copplestone’s who for his part leaves things unstated or implied. I’m curious about how he writes and how his multi-volume work on the history of philosophy reads.
@vancemattson6453
@vancemattson6453 2 жыл бұрын
Magee is impressively clear. F.C.'s history is definitely useful but not well-written. He tackles each philosopher in many sections and relies on an almost pointform style. He can help with difficult sections of difficult thinkers, but it is not a literary showcase.
@sfopera
@sfopera Жыл бұрын
His history is magisterial. Clear and very helpful.
@joeybeann
@joeybeann Жыл бұрын
That book was horrible
@crazybunkum
@crazybunkum Жыл бұрын
@@joeybeann I enjoyed it. Sophie's World for grown ups!
@musicstewart9744
@musicstewart9744 4 жыл бұрын
Use Energy when he writes Will is a good idea to keep in mind. Aesthetic attitude is what I live for, and what I miss so much living in coronavirus time. Live concerts featuring the Philadelphia Orchestra.
@Lawtasaj
@Lawtasaj 3 жыл бұрын
the will is denied via improved knowledge, but this knowledge is of such a high level it is effectively 'salvation'
@zoe6960
@zoe6960 2 жыл бұрын
I add my thanks for another remarkable interview with a great deal of food for thought and beautifully expressed ideas. The discussion around the use of the word 'energy' from 15:33- 21:00 caught my attention because a physicist friend of mine who, having explained the meaning of energy in Physics, said it distracted her when used in other contexts. I appreciate her view because as a biologist I have the same issue about words such as DNA and genes although logically I don't think there is ownership of words according to fields of expertise. Nonetheless, its distracting, much as Coplestone apparently feels about using the word 'will'.
@vhawk1951kl
@vhawk1951kl Жыл бұрын
You write: "logically I don't think there is ownership of words according to fields of expertise." Purely out of mild anodyne academic interest what is the syllogism of which the conclusion is "There is no ownership f words" - you having used the word "logically" I wonder what exactly you seek to convey by the words "ownership of words", and speaking as a English lawyer grounded in the common law, the word " ownership" caught my eye because the law- English common law, has no concept of 'ownership' presumably because ownership cannot be defined, thus it simply does not concern itself with whatever 'ownership' might be, and focuses on title and possession. Invariably when ever men(human beings) use words they run up against yet another word, specifically 'meaning' which can probably have as many different 'meanings' as there are men, some of whom occasionally seem to suppose that the ',meaning' of words is written in the sky, fixed or objective, which could not possibly be the case, thus each man will understand words differently be they " will", " energy" or any-word-you-please, and no amount of universal or common languages will ever finally dispose of that problem, if problem it be. Broadly speaking words act as pointer of sorts, thus if I use the word bread to you -as in 'pass the bread', am I not in practice point at X(bread) and saying pas that to me? All very well and good for discrete sensory objects such as X or bread, but not possible for pain yesterday, time, understand, and intelligence, ideas, " will", or " energy" or " Ownership" at which one cannot point because they are associations linked to other associations and thus compounds of what are of non-sensory non-discrete objects or associations Depending on the experiencer, words appear to evoke or give rise to, compound associations, or possibly images or whatever it is that men seek to convey when they use the word " ideas" itself a complex or compound of experiences , immediate or merely remembered , which presumably means -re-assembled, but that subject to your better view. My point is that men seem to simply *assume* that because they have the word they necessarily have the (whatever is meant by) "meaning", and if you ask them what they seek to convey or possibly" mean" by will, or energy, or ownership, it frequently turns out that they have no clear idea and as evidence of that they appear to resort to cognates and synonyms , descriptions and circularity, rather than clear definitions, as you will discover if I invite you to *define* ownership, which I respectfully suggest or anticipate that you cannot, because it is a blaub(pronounced to rhyme with orb), " blaub" " being a neologism of my inventing as a compound of blurb and bla bla bla, and blur and the word blaub is intended to convey something like an unfocused photograph or objected seen through a veil or semi-opaque window, such that one can detect an image of something but it is simply *impossible* to detect or discover of what *exactly* it is an image or photograph or representation of sorts, and so it is with a number-if not thousand of words, such as ownership, meaning, idea, time, intelligence and understanding, and men appear frequently dismayed when they discover that they simply *cannot* arrive at a clear defined, focused meaning understanding or image or other representation or substitute for what they experience in their associative apparatus- sometimes called mind, which is no more than an apparatus or function for generating and linking associations(which appear to be inchoate proxies) of what in there experience is more than an association, so " blaub "indicates an unfocusable word/image/ idea, and in my submission, subject to your better view, ownership, will, energy(and any number of words such as law or right/rights) are blaubs, or in the simplest possible terms words/images/ideas that can simply *Never* be defined or brought into focus, perhaps because the reside in the recesses of the associative apparatus or function which is a species of labyrinth, into which the potential Theseus enters at his peril, for what would he use to examine the associative apparatus wherein in lurk untold and innumerable blaubs, which, rather likes shadows move away from you as you approach them to examine them. They simply*Cannot* be examined clarified, defined or focused, because they are compounds of other blaubs. You simply*Cannot* define ownership without resort to cognates and synonyms descriptions and circularity, because it is *Impossible*, and by the same token you*Cannot* imagine a square circle or a nine-sided triangle, which are conceptual impossibilities, just as there are definitional and experiential impossibilities Oddly enough the associative apparatus is but one of a bundle of functions or apparatuses-or possibly brains [possibly processors], with which men(human beings) are endowed, and if they be indeed processors one wonders who or what wrote the firmware that those processors require? Apparently some suppose a certain mysterious Mr.Evolution to be the author of the firmware, which is apparently " self-writing" and the said processors or apparatuses, self-designing", for what *else* could they be?-species of self-assembling, baking and decorating cakes? Not that I hold any brief for Mr.God, which I take to be fanciful, if not quite as fanciful as Mr. Evolution(or unrolling or unfolding), he being -presumably, a close relative of Mr.Trial-and-error, himself the child of Mr.and Mrs.Invention -Fancy.(of the Cumberland Invention -Fancies - a fine old English family)
@thejackbancroft7336
@thejackbancroft7336 Жыл бұрын
Yeah they both agreed in the Will being useful to think about as energy. And not something intrinsic to the mind. Then Copleston concluded that what Schopenhauer called Will comprises much of the subject matter of psychology. I don't really get it tbh.
@thejackbancroft7336
@thejackbancroft7336 Жыл бұрын
@@vhawk1951kl What the Kentucky fried fuck are you on about
@joojoo11111
@joojoo11111 2 жыл бұрын
I have seen so many episodes with millions of views on the same subject and none even comes close to this interview in clarity and content.Yet this only has few thousand viewers.Maybe because it is set in the 80s without all the background special effects.
@jakkritphanomchit
@jakkritphanomchit Жыл бұрын
The whole point of Buddhism is that "will" IS impersonal. No need to substitute will for "energy". This is precisely the insight that gives rise to the moral questions
@HughMorristheJoker
@HughMorristheJoker 7 жыл бұрын
Schopenhauer has been the most influential philosopher for me. I believe one could go from Plato to Schopenhauer without missing much; after this you can turn to continental and/or analytic or wherever your penchants take you. No philosopher deals with practical life like Schopenhauer, yet he was also able to speak about metaphysical concerns without sounding foolish.
@LeonGalindoStenutz
@LeonGalindoStenutz 3 жыл бұрын
Any thoughts or ponyers on trascending his emphasis on pessimism?
@jesselopes5196
@jesselopes5196 2 жыл бұрын
​@@LeonGalindoStenutz a steady diet of Mozart & Rossini
@HughMorristheJoker
@HughMorristheJoker 2 жыл бұрын
Why on earth would we want that? His pessimism is wonderful.
@le2380
@le2380 2 жыл бұрын
@@LeonGalindoStenutz "Everything is meaningless, and that's a good thing" would be the go-to fix/cope, or that the Will is Nothing and therefore nothing of concern.
@GregoryJWalters
@GregoryJWalters Жыл бұрын
Super! Importance of Music for S's Aesthetics not discussed however.
@jeffsmith1798
@jeffsmith1798 Ай бұрын
35:25 Coppleston’s point about the will is interesting. Self abnegation is not possible. Denial of my will or of the will is not possible, since it is necessarily an act of will regardless.
@leibue1
@leibue1 5 жыл бұрын
a wonderfull intelectual feeling!!!!
@leoblum0631
@leoblum0631 2 жыл бұрын
"The World as Energy and Representation". Seriously? In my, albeit perhaps limited, understanding of Schopenhauer's philosophy, the Will is primarily a Will to Life, which in Schopenhauer's world equals procreation, hence his expression: "Sexuality is the focal point of the Will". Thus, it's at the root of Life (as we phenomenologically know it) we find the apparent manifestation of the Will (The metaphysical "Ding an sich"). I think, and I may of course be wrong, that it's the moral, that is to say "man's" universe, rather than the vast physical universe as such, that was of prime interest to Schopenhauer. Perhaps it would be fruitful to investigate in how far there are similarities between Manichaeism (Gnosticism) and Schopenhauer's philosophy. Beyond doubt, however, is his emphatic resonance with a widely disseminated idea within Greek "pessimistic" philosophy: "The best thing to befall man, is never having to be born."
@stoyanfurdzhev
@stoyanfurdzhev 2 жыл бұрын
The Kant and Parmenides about which you never heard of before.
@vhawk1951kl
@vhawk1951kl Жыл бұрын
Noumena etymology: late 18th century: via German from Greek, literally ‘(something) conceived’, from noein ‘conceive, apprehend’.
@LeonGalindoStenutz
@LeonGalindoStenutz 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!
@ryangarritty9761
@ryangarritty9761 4 жыл бұрын
That wall behind them looks to have been taken straight out of a prisoner's dirty protest cell.
@gabrielreinhardt6451
@gabrielreinhardt6451 4 жыл бұрын
cool
@firstal3799
@firstal3799 2 жыл бұрын
Perhaps Schopenhauer was being literary and mystical when he used the term will.
@talastra
@talastra 3 жыл бұрын
I'm pleased and a little disappointed that I understood every word of this. Also, I've only read Coplestone; twas a treat to hear him think out loud.
@LeonGalindoStenutz
@LeonGalindoStenutz 3 жыл бұрын
Same here! Wonderful to hear him live.
@jesuisravi
@jesuisravi 2 жыл бұрын
the "thing in itself" , i.e., what experienced entities are when they are not being experienced, always flummoxes me. I mean, why should these "things in themselves" be posited at all? If they, by definition, have never been experienced, then...how the hell does anyone know that they exist in the first place? It's like asking: What color is blue when it's not being blue?
@jesselopes5196
@jesselopes5196 2 жыл бұрын
it's more like, what experienced entities are when they're not being experienced by our sensory apparatus - we experience things in terms of 5 senses - we know there are more senses in the animal kingdom - but we don't know what a thing is in terms of those other senses - as schopenhauer says at one point, the thing in itself = appearance minus our brain & nervous system, which make things appear in this way (human-wise)
@patrickobrien8851
@patrickobrien8851 2 жыл бұрын
These gentlemen are wrong in their assumption that "common sense" and "science or experience" are the same things, because they are not, at least not commonsense as the person in the street uses the term. The laws of physics, underpinned by abstract mathematical systems, are the "common sense" of science, and especially in the world of the very small, to the best of our current knowledge, common sense doesn't hold sway at all. That is not to say that we fully understand why quantum mechanics is the way it is, but we do understand how its current representations can be used to make predictions and measurements about events in the quantum universe. Einstein's derivation of the equation E = mc*c is very different to Kant's and Schopenhauer’s speculations about the interdependent natures of matter and energy, simply because mathematics underpins Einstein, and not the other two. We can all speculate coincidentally about things that are either true or false, and yet not deserve any credit for later insights that confirm one outcome or the other.
@jamesstewart7224
@jamesstewart7224 2 жыл бұрын
Like kant they were dipping there toe in to the quantum world.as in "the moon doesn't excist until you steer at it ,and shrodingers cat strangeness
@BrumBrum1571
@BrumBrum1571 3 жыл бұрын
The Will seeking to deny The Will by an act of will is self-contradictory and absurd...
@talastra
@talastra 3 жыл бұрын
One of de Sade's characters has the same despairing realization.
@ptwsm
@ptwsm 4 ай бұрын
well, I am not an expert, but, I think it can be possible. First, (W)ill, is not the same as (w)ill, Will can be compared with matter from the objetive or external point of view, so, the negation of Will is like de-matterialize reality, it is like destroy the fundamental reality (as you know, matter cannot be destroyed in physical terms), so here is important to understand the idealistic epistemology of Schopenhauer. (Sorry for my mistakes, I am not a native English speaker.)
@ivanbeshkov1718
@ivanbeshkov1718 Жыл бұрын
Briefly put: Why wasn't my identical twin born instead of me?
@emale03
@emale03 2 жыл бұрын
COPLESTON'S WRITING IS THE BEST IN THE HISTORY OF IDEAS! NOT TO BE DUPLICATED BY ANYONE
@jax9574
@jax9574 4 жыл бұрын
Whats even more interesting are some of the comments here, some people have given such insightful views on Schopenhauer's concept of will and representation. Something which Copleston failed to see or explain here, despite being such a big philosopher and has written a book on Schopenhauer himself. I think it's fair to say the present generation are streets ahead of people of the previous times despite how good they were.
@mehranshargh
@mehranshargh 4 жыл бұрын
Great observation. I too sometimes go read the comments under such videos to get some insights.
@johnofroncesvalles4255
@johnofroncesvalles4255 4 жыл бұрын
Opinions are just that.
@johnoneill7947
@johnoneill7947 4 жыл бұрын
Copleston wasn’t really a philosopher so far as being an original thinker or creator of philosophy. He is known as an historian of philosophy and it might be better to say simple that he wrote histories of philosophy. I’m not sure what qualifies one as being a historian of philosophy - in so far as the History of Philosophy is a specialty.
@TerryStewart32
@TerryStewart32 3 жыл бұрын
@@johnoneill7947 his history of philosophy volume is by far the best introduction to philosophy ever published
@talastra
@talastra 3 жыл бұрын
@@TerryStewart32 ^^ This x10,000,000
@2Hot2
@2Hot2 Жыл бұрын
Schopenhauer (like the Upanishads and Buddhist teachings he admired) aren't hung about whether or not we can get to the ""Ding an sich", that was Kant's obsession. Sch. demonstrates that time and space and qualities are also mental constructs that don't really exist outside the mind, and that there is no unified self we can call our own. There are just a lot of more or less coordinated desires that serve/create the body and its pursuits. A fortiori, there is no unified God-like intelligence justifying the pain in lfe, it's just a lot of pointless suffering (cf. Buddhism). These academics trying to "save" Sch.' s reputation by showing how he's really just interested in science are missing the whole point. Unlike optimistic phony windbags like Hegel who try to prove that the sense of the world is to evolve into the Prussian State (cough, cough), Schopenhauer proves that life inevitably leads to suffering. His ethics are all based on compassion. In short, he adopts the good parts of Christianity and Buddhism/Hinduism and rejects all the theological hocus pocus.
@firstal3799
@firstal3799 2 жыл бұрын
I can't interview myself so I invited someone else. Not very flattering to the guest and I can see it on the face.
@compegord07
@compegord07 2 жыл бұрын
So in capsule: The Force is A Real Thing!
@samuelterry6354
@samuelterry6354 2 жыл бұрын
This is such a butchered understanding of Schopenhauerian Will.
@willieluncheonette5843
@willieluncheonette5843 2 жыл бұрын
" THE great German philosopher, Arthur Schopenhauer, was on his death-bed in much pain and suffering. One evening, just before he died, he cried loudly,'Ah, my God!' The doctor who Was attending to him was surprised because there was no place for God in Schopenhauer's philosophy. So he said, 'Sir, is there any place for God in your philosophy?' Schopenhauer opened his eyes and said,'In suffering, philosophy without God is insufficient.' The word 'insufficient' is very significant. Let us contemplate on it a little more. Even on his death-bed, Schopenhauer remains a philosopher. A philosopher goes on thinking about God, at the most, as a hypothesis: sufficient or insufficient? But God remains, more or less, a hypothetical thing. God is not reality. Maybe the concept is needed because it is difficult to explain many things without it, but the hypothesis is a hypothesis and can be discarded at any moment. Any moment that we can explain life without Him, We will be ready to explain life without Him. God is not life. Rather, He is a hypothesis to explain the mystery of life. A hypothesis is a need of ignorance. When man becomes more and more knowledgeable, the darkness of ignorance is pushed away more and more. God will be thrown, God will be dethroned because then He will not be needed. Schopenhauer says,'In suffering, a philosophy without God is insufficient.' In suffering man feels his helplessness: fear, death, pain, and there is no explanation for it. The suffering is so much, and unexplained. Then one cries out of fear, anguish, anxiety, 'Ah God, my God!' But this God is bogus. It may be a need of human frailty, human limitation; it may be a need of human weakness, human helplessness, but it is not reality. It is not that you have come to realize the truth of it. At the most, it is NEEDED. You feel too much alone, in the dark, without the concept of God. At the most, it is a make-believe. It helps, it consoles, it gives a certain comfort when comfort is needed. It is what Marx calls 'the opium'. In suffering, opium is needed - something through which you can forget the suffering - but this is not the true God. The God of the philosophers is not a true God. Then there is another God - the true God. The true God is not a hypothesis, it is a realization. And the true God reveals more when you are celebrating than when you are in suffering. Just try to understand this: whenever you are happy you don't need God. Who needs God when one is happy and enjoying life, full of energy and vigor? When life is a fulfillment who needs God? Then the philosophy is sufficient without God. In happiness, nobody remembers God. If you remember God when you are happy, there is more possibility to know Him than when you remember Him in suffering, because in suffering everybody remembers. It depends more on suffering than on you. It is part of a suffering mind that it feels helpless. If you can remember God while celebrating, it is not natural; it is supernatural. While you are perfectly happy and feeling fulfilled, each moment of life is being lived in delight, you are flowing, nothing seems impossible, you are succeeding, nothing seems far away, beyond your reach, you are at the peak of your life, young, alive, it is unnatural to remember God then. But if you remember Him then, there is more possibility of encountering the reality of God. Why? - because in the first place it is almost impossible to remember. If you remember while you are happy, then you are already moving out of the unconscious. You are making a conscious effort; you are already awakening; you are no more asleep. In sleep things simply happen to you. When you become a little more awake, then you are not just a victim, then you can choose. Remember this: the God which you remember in suffering is just a projection of your mind. The God which you remember in celebration is no more a projection of your mind, because mind is perfectly satisfied when you are happy. Mind means philosophy. When you are unhappy, then the mind is not sufficient - then you need somebody's help, then you need somebody's shoulder to lean upon; then you invoke God. The God of Schopenhauer is false."
@bernardliu8526
@bernardliu8526 Жыл бұрын
willie lunchette, Please get your facts straight. Schopenhauer died sitting near his desk, alone. He was the first major philosopher to proclaim,in his publications, that there was never a God, just will-to-life.
@maecentric
@maecentric Жыл бұрын
Shopenhauer was right and Copleston wrong. We are a window into the thing in itself. Copleston says there is no way of escapeing the world of time/space/phenomena, but of course, we are present and concious. That is something you can never assume from studdying phenomena from the outside. This is the perenial philosophy, and has been discovered many times in the west before Schopenhauer, such as Plato, and was then carried into Christianity. Its a shame Copleston is so off.
@hevysmoker23362
@hevysmoker23362 2 жыл бұрын
His views on women were totally bonkers and offensive.
@jeffreykalb9752
@jeffreykalb9752 Жыл бұрын
Bryan Magee has to be one of the worst interviewers I have ever seen. There is nothing so bad as seeing someone interviewed by a narcissist.
@ransomcoates546
@ransomcoates546 2 жыл бұрын
When Jesuits were smart.
@PraveenKumar-sr6ne
@PraveenKumar-sr6ne 2 жыл бұрын
Looking for a black cat in a dark room with eyes closed sums up this futile discussion. JESUS is God. Read the Bible, ladies & gentlemen.
@sanguineel
@sanguineel 2 жыл бұрын
This is an adult discussion. Go play with your building blocks in the corner.
@Lawtasaj
@Lawtasaj 2 жыл бұрын
If you actually read schopenhauer you will find out that he has a lot to say about jesus
@Danko_Sekulic
@Danko_Sekulic 2 жыл бұрын
What a stupid comment! I am a believer as well, but by your "understanding" Christians like St. Augustine and Aquinas were just losers and morons who wasted their time.
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