Free Flight Basics #3 - Making Prop Hooks That Don't Creep

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maxfliart

maxfliart

2 жыл бұрын

The 3rd episode focuses on making two kinds of prop hooks that help prevent long rubber motors from creeping or tangling around the prop shaft. First is the Z hook, often called the Reverse S hook. Then comes the SFA hook, a variation that evolved from the Czech hook by Tondra Alfrey. There are many, many ways to build & fly model airplanes. These films show how it has played out for me. Filmed with a Canon PowerShot SX20-IS & iPhone 11 Pro. Music via motionarray.com.
Here's the story of the SFA hook's development: hallmanstudio.com/SFA_Hook.pdf
Step by step tutorial for the 'Z' hook: hallmanstudio.com/Z_Hook_How_T...
Adjustable thrust templates: hallmanstudio.com/AdjustableTh...
K&S music wire is available here: easybuiltmodels.com/parts.htm...
A plan of the 20" Mureaux 170 is available here: thegeebee.com/product/mureaux...
Rubber Turns Calculator: hallmanstudio.com/rubber_turns...
Article on the use of dethermalizers: www.hallmanstudio.com/DT.pdf
Badge Classic DT & spring (at the bottom of the page): www.starlink-flitetech.com/tim...
*** 10 steps to trimming a rubber model, by John Koptonak: www.flyingacesclub.com/PFFT/Tr...
I found 3.57mm OD silicone tubing at MotionRC.
A great source for F/F tutorials is this link to the Pensacola Free Flight Team's archives, posted on the FAC website. Any Q & A not covered on my channel may be found here: flyingacesclub.com/wp/the-fac-...
Also, these tutorials from Easy Built Models: easybuiltmodels.com/tips.htm#...
***Interview with Tom Hallman by John McAvoy on his Free Flight Fanatic podcast:
freeflightfanatic.libsyn.com/...
Flying Aces Club merchandise: www.cafepress.com/flyingacesclub
Center of Gravity merchandise: www.cafepress.com/centergravity
For more info on free-flight rubber-powered models, check these websites:
www.easybuiltmodels.com/
www.volareproducts.com/BUY/
www.flyingacesclub.com
outerzone.co.uk/index.asp
National Free Flight Society - freeflight.org/
Mike Stuart's Flying Scale Models - www.ffscale.co.uk/
www.freeflightsupplies.co.uk/...

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@maxfliart
@maxfliart 6 ай бұрын
I've updated the Rubber Turns Calculator for any newcomers to FF rubber. With the way rubber can change throughout the years, this chart will give you a good place to start. Use it only as a general guide. hallmanstudio.com/rubber_turns_calculator.pdf
@sanpol4399
@sanpol4399 2 жыл бұрын
These videos you are making, will become the greatest reference for this hobby. It shows the straight way to go for beginners and also for who is in the hobby for some time. Thank you. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
@duane4516
@duane4516 2 жыл бұрын
I tried S hooks from a couple of other youtubers that had aggressive circular bends that formed an actual S that was hard on my old hands with .047 and was hard to adjust but worked great when i got it right. After seeing this I went straight to my work bench and nailed it after a couple tries. The angular bends were a easier on my hands and easier to adjust and worked as well as the other method. I rarely comment on the many Tubers that I follow but these videos are really serving their purpose and upping my free flight game. Thanks again
@maxfliart
@maxfliart 2 жыл бұрын
Thx for the feedback, Duane. I too struggled 30 years ago when I first learned of them, trying to mimic the Reverse S design, using rounded needle nose pliers. It was so difficult to control their tapered roundness. At some point I came to realize that the sharper bend of the Z worked perfectly at any size, so I've never looked back.
@stevetillson3268
@stevetillson3268 2 жыл бұрын
Good Grief, no wonder averaging only 10-15 flights per motor using stock hooks, no silicon tubing or dental bands. With these fantastic, instructional videos you’ll make a rubber free flighter out of me yet! Thanks again.
@Tadrjbs
@Tadrjbs 2 жыл бұрын
Tom is The #1 Guru of this sport/hobby/craft/art and an inspiration to us all, modelers, retired modelers & non-modelers alike...Moses
@maxfliart
@maxfliart 2 жыл бұрын
Thx. Just doing what I can to take the mystery out of free-flight and show that it can be enjoyed with simple techniques that had been shared by my mentors. It's a great community...always willing to share.
@fabiohaddad2531
@fabiohaddad2531 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks to your channel and your generosity in teach all. Soon I will fly too!
@maxfliart
@maxfliart 2 жыл бұрын
Thx, Fabio. Enjoy ur flying!
@fabiohaddad2531
@fabiohaddad2531 2 жыл бұрын
@@maxfliart Yes I will sir. Thank you!
@darrellsellers1853
@darrellsellers1853 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for demonstrating rubber creep on a regular model hook! I tried a rubber motor on my recent build and I believe you have saved me certain heartache. Z bend shafts! So far I've got 1 out of 3 I can use without wobble. 1 out of 3 should provide a batting title. LOL! Thank you again!
@micregil
@micregil 2 жыл бұрын
I've seen the dreaded creeping but had no idea how to remedy it, thanks.
@burtisaac1000
@burtisaac1000 2 жыл бұрын
Wow 🤩! Just never understand the proper use of a great interpretation of a hand made device. Cheers 🥂!
@burtisaac1000
@burtisaac1000 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing your thoughts and your gift 🎁!
@thomasarnold9747
@thomasarnold9747 2 жыл бұрын
4 times the hook-to-peg length? Wow. I really need to up my game as that is impressive. Another great video.
@maxfliart
@maxfliart 2 жыл бұрын
Thx, Tom. Seems all of my dimers have similar motors. Amazed too that they can handle it.
@chuckintexas
@chuckintexas 2 жыл бұрын
Inspiring, in its simplicity. THANKS !
@maxfliart
@maxfliart 2 жыл бұрын
Thx for recognizing that, Chuck. I'm trying to take some of the mystery and complexity out of F/F.
@FedericoConci
@FedericoConci 2 жыл бұрын
I am making my reverse Z hooks thanks to this video. They are working GREAT! I've already known them by pictures but the emphasis you have put on showing the advantages made me decide the right way. Thanks Tom!
@lucaspamplonica
@lucaspamplonica 2 жыл бұрын
I am getting into the hobby and this videos are solving many of my doubts, thank you very much!!!
@dankamikubo7002
@dankamikubo7002 11 ай бұрын
Thanks! Your videos are truly inspiring!
@davidquerry8869
@davidquerry8869 2 жыл бұрын
I don't know how I've been missing these videos. They are fantastic. Every little step, you make clear to see. I am kind of getting that book I keep asking you to write.
@nunatanidad
@nunatanidad 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Tom, for sharing your knowledge with the rest of the world! Where are my pliers..?!! Greetings from Belgium!
@maxfliart
@maxfliart 2 жыл бұрын
Haha. Thx. Give it a try.
@barryharrison1750
@barryharrison1750 2 жыл бұрын
Love these Free Flight Basics videos, Tom:) The timing couldn't be better too, with the winter building season upon us. I've already adopted many of your techniques and it has helped improve my building experience! Just left my building board a few minutes ago where I was using some of your covering tips with greater success. Thank you, Barry
@maxfliart
@maxfliart 2 жыл бұрын
Good to hear, Barry. Glad they're impacting your modeling in a positive way.
@paulhelman2376
@paulhelman2376 8 ай бұрын
K&S stands for Wally Simmers and "Stoop" Karsch who founded the company. Both were Chicago area free flight fellows of whom you may have heard,
@robertploth6400
@robertploth6400 2 жыл бұрын
Have been making reverse s hooks will try the alternate z and chec hooks look much easier to make thanks
@yassermasood3423
@yassermasood3423 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Tom for doing these lovely videos. They are educational and enlightening. You might consider this knowledge as petty, since you grew up seeing your dad and you grew up into this hobby. But for people like me you are the mughal, the guru or the Pied Piper. These videos will become the free flight bible. The editing, music and explanation are perfect. Once again thank you and God bless.
@MrWireguy
@MrWireguy Жыл бұрын
I skipped free flight/rubber power when I was a kid. Now as a70 something oldtimer.....time to revisit what I missed. Thank you for the help. Cheers
@juanoyhenart5139
@juanoyhenart5139 2 жыл бұрын
This is awesome! All your modells are so meticulously built! I'm building my first model and your content is giving me a lot of insights and methods on what to use and how! Thank you so much! I would love to learn how to build a propeller and a nose. Maybe one day you'll be so kind to share how you approach its construction! Thank you very much again!
@GuzziIan
@GuzziIan 2 жыл бұрын
Great stuff. Many thanks for posting these informational videos. I really appreciate it!
@SomeGuyInSandy
@SomeGuyInSandy 2 жыл бұрын
Wow, thanks! You answered so many questions that I had with this!
@jimbo2629
@jimbo2629 2 жыл бұрын
Great video. For larger models I use a reverse S with a Tim White hook rather than looping the rubber over the prop shaft. It’s like a figure of 8 , one end that stays on the rubber and the other smaller loop fits on the winder or prop shaft. I don’t use silicone tubing in this situation. I often fly mini vintage and use one and a half hook to peg length braided to stop bunching.
@muzaffergecim1933
@muzaffergecim1933 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Mr. Hallman. Great video as always. Now, it is time for me to re-fly my old models with Z hook and longer, braided motors.
@robertrussellmd
@robertrussellmd 2 жыл бұрын
Kolay gelsin Muzzafer bey. 11 yil onca Trabzon da OTURDIM. YARIM Kara Denizliyim.
@Yosemite-George-61
@Yosemite-George-61 Жыл бұрын
I learned a lot today, this is invaluable help whe you live in a country where tere isn't anybody around that can give advice. I had given up, now I'm back to building... will fly. soon. Thanks!
@maxfliart
@maxfliart Жыл бұрын
Thx, Jorge...I'm glad the series is helping ur return to free-flight. Enjoy!
@e-rj8984
@e-rj8984 2 жыл бұрын
Fantastic Information and Instructions 👍🌷 Thank You Very Much Maxfliart 👍
@johnmajane3731
@johnmajane3731 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this. I am going to make one for my next model.
@HD-su9sq
@HD-su9sq 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you again! Seeing your step by step bends makes it almost easy.
@maxfliart
@maxfliart 2 жыл бұрын
Good to hear. I hope it works for you.
@jetflyer102
@jetflyer102 2 жыл бұрын
Great Episode. Please keep going.
@robertrussellmd
@robertrussellmd 2 жыл бұрын
Tom, this is very very helpful. Many thanks. In time, I would also like hear what you have to say about about prop shaft/nose block bushings. Your videos are literally note worthy.
@robertrussellmd
@robertrussellmd 2 жыл бұрын
Tom, you answered all my questions above and ones I didn't know ask. Thank you.
@saberwulfSC
@saberwulfSC Жыл бұрын
Great tutorial!
@sebafloyd1
@sebafloyd1 2 жыл бұрын
Excelente, gracias por mostrar como se hace!!!
@maxfliart
@maxfliart 2 жыл бұрын
¡Mi placer!
@salvatorecondina2898
@salvatorecondina2898 Жыл бұрын
Très jolie vos avion félicitation 🎉
@jesusvaliente9070
@jesusvaliente9070 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your videos. I'm learning a lot. In my club i am the only one who flies models whith a rubber engine. My next goal is to make them myself. Cheers from Spain.
@qiangqiangpan2362
@qiangqiangpan2362 2 жыл бұрын
The video is great. Getting better and better!Could you record a video explaining the propeller bearing?
@tatangbhaskaraaero4977
@tatangbhaskaraaero4977 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you ...good idea
@djordjemilovanovic4734
@djordjemilovanovic4734 2 жыл бұрын
Nice video
@jasonbell5905
@jasonbell5905 7 ай бұрын
That music 😵‍💫
@rickhall4318
@rickhall4318 2 жыл бұрын
KZfaq needs to replace the like thumbs up with a love this button!
@paulhelman2376
@paulhelman2376 8 ай бұрын
Bobbins work well and are easily turned from aluminum or machinable plastic,
@bearshield7138
@bearshield7138 2 жыл бұрын
thank you
@johnwheeler2301
@johnwheeler2301 2 жыл бұрын
max i love you vids and as model airplaner for 65 years i never flew rubber or ff.. but.c/l ...r/c.. as a retired orthodontist you have a correct bending method ,,hold the wire with pliers bend with finger... my i suggest a birdbeak plier ..one beak round one flat not serrations not nicking the wire.. or polish the wire ..im learning about rubber from you ...thx
@maxfliart
@maxfliart 2 жыл бұрын
Thx, John. I'll be sure to take a look at those pliers. Thx for the info.
@aeromodeller1
@aeromodeller1 2 жыл бұрын
For bending short pieces, especially thick wire, I push it with the end grain of a block of wood.
@paulhelman2376
@paulhelman2376 Жыл бұрын
I make a bobbin which is easy to turn and has always worked well. Have you used bobbins?
@glennreach6930
@glennreach6930 2 жыл бұрын
So what is your preferred hook and why? Can't thank you enough for these super videos. I have modeled mostly alone for all the years that I have been into it, so most of the stuff I do I learned via trial and error. Now I see the error of my ways! LOL
@maxfliart
@maxfliart 2 жыл бұрын
My earliest models in the late 80s used the classic diamond shape, sometimes with a crocket hook. Didn't always work. Around that time I saw the Reverse S, and have been using it ever since. I've made 100s & 100s. Only recently did I learn of the wire version of the Czech hook. After testing last week, I see the benefits for many, and the ease of bending...not quite as tricky as the Z hook. I think either are ideal for most models. Thx for the feedback.
@glennreach6930
@glennreach6930 2 жыл бұрын
@@maxfliart One other question if I may.....is the tubing you use the same as 1/2a fuel tubing?
@maxfliart
@maxfliart 2 жыл бұрын
@@glennreach6930 yes.
@glennreach6930
@glennreach6930 2 жыл бұрын
@@maxfliart I'm afraid I am becoming a pest, but I have a couple of more questions. You say that you make your prop hooks from both .032 and .047 wire; which wire for what wingspan of model? And now that you have done the back half of the prop hook are you going to do a video on the front half?
@maxfliart
@maxfliart 2 жыл бұрын
@@glennreach6930 Glad for the feedback. I usually go with .047 for anything between 22" and 40". For everything smaller I'd use the .032". Many of the props I use are plastic, which have a simple free-wheel ramp, so all u need to do is a 90º bend on the prop shaft, and trim it. I might do a film on the adjustable thrust plate, which has proved very useful throughout the trim sessions.
@riazhassan6570
@riazhassan6570 2 жыл бұрын
Wish I’d seen this thirty years ago.
@johnharen9921
@johnharen9921 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Tom for these helpful videos. Is the Z hook the better alternative? I'm looking forward to increasing my rubber motor lengths as well.
@maxfliart
@maxfliart 2 жыл бұрын
Thx, John. The Z hook works well, and is the only one I've used for the past 30+ years. But many have said the same for the Czech hook, so it comes down to which is easier for u to bend. Have fun!
@paulhelman2376
@paulhelman2376 8 ай бұрын
Is music required for bending? I suppose so as it is piano wire.
@craycle
@craycle Жыл бұрын
Beautiful Videos! We want to make one 3D printable. What should be the approximate maximum flight weight for the 20" model?
@maxfliart
@maxfliart Жыл бұрын
All up weight for a typical 20" FF model wound be around 28 grams or under an ounce. Depending on the builder, models can come in far less than that, or far more....so duration would become a factor. But regardless, all would fly.
@craycle
@craycle Жыл бұрын
@@maxfliart Thank you for your information! We would like to make a video together with you if you have a 3D Printer. We can develop a model together :D
@MORCOPOLO0817
@MORCOPOLO0817 11 ай бұрын
If you are using a long motor like 4-5x prop hook to peg length can you put more winds on the rubber per inch than you would if you were only using 1.5x prop hook to peg length? I am asking because this situation would involve putting a larger motor into a relatively short fusalage.
@maxfliart
@maxfliart 11 ай бұрын
I would think that the winds per inch remain the same, regardless of the motor length.
@kevinbrennan6546
@kevinbrennan6546 Жыл бұрын
Where are you finding the silicone tubing. If a crocket hook is being used would the z hook still be the appropriate shaft ?
@maxfliart
@maxfliart Жыл бұрын
I found the tubing at MotionRC. I bought the 3.57mm. I've gone back n forth with the use of the crocket on z hooks or others, since the crocket already has a slight Z shape on the rubber end. Mostly likely it won't matter, as long as whatever hook ur using keeps the crocket centered.
@mikeo7604
@mikeo7604 2 жыл бұрын
Your aircraft and videos make me want to sell my rc gear, batteries and all!
@maxfliart
@maxfliart 2 жыл бұрын
Haha. That would buy a lot of balsa, tissue & rubber! A friend at Wawayanda had done just that, and is loving it.
@MORCOPOLO0817
@MORCOPOLO0817 Жыл бұрын
Will O rings prevent creeping rubber on small models only requiring one loop of 1/8" rubber?
@maxfliart
@maxfliart Жыл бұрын
I don't know, as I've not used them before, although I've heard some have successfully. Best suggestion is to try one on a stooge and see what happens after fully wound. Better there than in the model.
@terryblackman6217
@terryblackman6217 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for passing on your knowledge. I must ask, is there a reason why you are wearing a glove when handling the rubber motor ?
@maxfliart
@maxfliart 2 жыл бұрын
Thx for asking. In the case of the lube that I use (Dow Corning 33) the motor gets VERY slippery when the rubber is wound close to max, so much so that it can easily slip thru ur fingertips and explode a model. Sadly, I've had that happen. Ever since then, I've used a glove when winding the motor tight. I probably could have gone without it for the film, but when I saw that the darkness allowed the elements that I wanted show to stand out against the contrast, I kept it on.
@terryblackman6217
@terryblackman6217 2 жыл бұрын
@@maxfliart good idea. I will try that myself.
@aeromodeller1
@aeromodeller1 2 жыл бұрын
I don't think the Z or reverse S is necessary. Simply having the bar perpendicular to the rubber will do it. Looks like a stirrup, or equilateral triangle. The motor won't twist off, but if the motor gets off center, it will swing around inside the fuselage and bang into things, wasting energy. I devised the "Czech" hook many decades ago and didn't use it because I liked to use an O-ring on the motor. It is also hard to get a tightly wound, lubed motor over that wide part. You can grip it a bit from the end and let some turns out, to form a loop, but I didn't like to let any turns out. If you watch how the rubber twists off the circle, you find that it gets off the side, perpendicular to the circle and therefore twists off in the direction of its twist. Which way it goes is determined by which side of the loop the rubber goes to. It can go up on the shaft or it can go off the end. If it goes up on the shaft it will still turn the shaft, but if it goes off the end, you will have a lot of damaged tissue paper and a motor that is tightly jammed inside your fuselage. Getting it out can cause further damage. I finally settled on a circle with the end overlapping the shaft about a radius. It is made as a right handed pigtail. If the motor goes around to the end side, it will twist toward the shaft, but be stopped by the overlapping end. If it goes toward the other side, it will go around toward the end until it is blocked by the shaft. The end must be spaced away from the shaft enough that the O-ring can get onto the hook. It occurs to me now that the square loop could be made in a right handed spiral with the end overlapping the shaft. One that guarantees keeping the motor centered is a T-pin, with the motor around the shaft. The problem with that is getting the loop of a tightly wound, lubed motor over the far end of the T. Again, letting some turns out will do it. You must be sure that the two strands come around from behind the shaft on the side such that the shaft prevents them from going between the two doubled legs of the T. Otherwise the motor can get off center.
@maxfliart
@maxfliart 2 жыл бұрын
Thx for sharing ur experience with the gang.
@MORCOPOLO0817
@MORCOPOLO0817 2 жыл бұрын
what if the rubber remains on the hook while you are winding it? Will it still climb?
@maxfliart
@maxfliart 2 жыл бұрын
I've never wound in this way, although many do, including the friend who showed me the wire Czech hook design. The Czech hook has never failed him. I would think if you were using a circle hook and a longer motor (2x - 3x etc) chances are high that the rubber would still slip off. Always good to test on the bench before risking the model.
@MORCOPOLO0817
@MORCOPOLO0817 2 жыл бұрын
@@maxfliart What are your thoughts on modifying a round hook to a flat one?
@malihesharafi3243
@malihesharafi3243 Ай бұрын
to your opinion is gorila glue good for it 🤔
@malihesharafi3243
@malihesharafi3243 Ай бұрын
what type of wood gluo are you using
@maxfliart
@maxfliart Ай бұрын
It's called Titebond.
@malihesharafi3243
@malihesharafi3243 Ай бұрын
to your opinion is gorila glue good for it 🤔
@maxfliart
@maxfliart Ай бұрын
@@malihesharafi3243 I've never used Gorilla. If they have a wood glue, I would test it first, but Titebond or Elmers wood glue is quite reliable.
@kuul8955
@kuul8955 2 жыл бұрын
What is a plane without the prop
@aeromodeller1
@aeromodeller1 2 жыл бұрын
A glider.
@kuul8955
@kuul8955 2 жыл бұрын
@@aeromodeller1 yea i know but i don't like jet engines
@NWA320DRVR
@NWA320DRVR 2 жыл бұрын
Another great video. Time to get some wire and start bending!
@aeromodeller1
@aeromodeller1 2 жыл бұрын
@@kuul8955 Gliders don't have engines.
@kuul8955
@kuul8955 2 жыл бұрын
@@aeromodeller1 jet engines
@banyaksisi-Indonesia
@banyaksisi-Indonesia 2 жыл бұрын
good .. its easier then the S hook
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