@@n0ex I've heard that some other setups, can be a lot faster, but hey, you can't have EVERYTHING ! :D In MY specific case, Unraid is almost EXACTLY what I need !!!

Sponsors are great, but I don’t get why companies are still advertising LGA115x stuff.

@@1armbiker Because that's all Intel has right now on 14nm+++++++++++

It's seriously one of the most underrated - this channel is just like Linux, it's highly competent, but for some reason not as popular as it ought to be. Wendell is definitely helping change that, though. Real ambassador for good software. Would be nice if he was more of a proponent of Libre software, though. Looking at it more in depth, etc.

@@linkdude64 Wendell worked or works in the Enterprise, so it's no wonder he is ok with both proprietary and free software, as he probably had to use both. And he is pushing for free software a lot, but sometimes, free software is just not there yet, like it's the case for ESXi. Just look at some of Wendell's video about Synology NAS and how easy it is to integrate with VMWare. Just get the plugin and poof, done, basically. VMWare still has the most support and the most easy to find tech guys that know how to use it. I also doubt it won't be easy to learn. There are a lot of competing solutions, I think Proxmox is the closest to VMWare, but it's "janky" compared to VMWare, because you need to do things manually. I do prefer the manual stuff for the most part. Another thing is vCloud, to which there are competing solutions, like OpenNebula and OpenStack. I didn't use OpenStack, but I heard it is a big mess and beside the need to read a lot of documentation, it's also pretty buggy, so you're better off buying a vendor solution of OpenStack to solve some of the bugginess, but then you get into proprietary stuff and vendor lock-in. OpenNebula is pretty neat, but I had a lot of bugs with it, to the point I migrated 7 hosts one by one to Proxmox, with more than 200 VMs.

Biky why not share how you did that migration on KZfaq a forum or a blog? It would be interesting insight for those who want to learn. I’m sure it would get enough views.

Same here! Thanks Wendell, and everyone else at Level1.

I was unable to decide this myself. So I am attempting to roll my own using Ubuntu 19.10 with the ZFS based install. So far I have everything up and running with dockers. So far so good.

@@HellTriX basically I'm down to whether I want to be able to add drives at random or not. I plan to have backup, so while data integrity is important, I will be set in case something happens.

This FreeNAS vs Unraid is a rabbit hole debate. They are both good solutions they are just different solutions. For my home setup I went with unraid even though I know on paper ZFS is superior.

welcome to the world of storage ;)

@Simon TV what filesystem did you go with unraid? XFS, BTRFS?

Simon TV but in the video. Didn’t he say you can do ZFS on unRAID and that’s what he did for Gaming Nexus? I’m confused. Talks too fast and mumbles for a noob. Isn’t it freeNAS vs unRAID and not XFS vs unRAID because they can be done on both? And does XFS on unRAID make use of ECC. He didn’t mention that. Headaches.

I ... missed the whole grudge match part. Where's the failure analysis...

If my Ubuntu + zfs doesn't work out for some reason. I will swap to Unraid + zfs myself. :)

@@HellTriX it's working?

@@JohnDoe-gs1cb Yeah, It's not super simple as I have to compile and build zfs for linux on ubuntu 20.10 using the source. But, I have zfs up and running for my needs.

.... the head definitely does.

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Thing about Arsenal is, they always try and walk it in.

Love that reference, I'm gonna watch it when I go to bed

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Or a hot server

>you're just buying 2 drives instead of 1 and you're getting multiple drive performance when you add to that pool moreover, keep the pools separate and do not compromise overall reliability.

this is so true, and if I made a video I think I would fall into the same trap. The problem is that ZFS, BSD, and jails are technologically superior so a geek has a hard time giving up on them. Linux, docker, and the rest has more popularity which is far better for a home user. Even in watching this video I know I should go with UnRaid but that ZFS/BSD/Jail goodness tho!

Lol I have enjoyed my time learning BSD to keep my freenas system running haha.

the thing wont't work if you are not willing to make effort to configure it. ofc it will eventually fail. Especially true in case of ZFS, which is unforgiving enterprise-level difficulty file system.

Leeroy my point is the people who use this for home use shouldn’t waste their time with freenas. It breaks and you’re spending hours in the forums trying to figure out what file you need to edit, or what file you need to patch to fix the problem. I’m other words, unless you have extensive Linux knowledge and/or time, and need maximum disk performance, unraid is way better. I have three 40+ TB unraid installations (one home and one at my office) and they’re all together less headache than the one freenas one I have, especially when a drive fails. Also, Try GPU Passthrough on freenas :)

@@lazerusmfh I mean everyone's experience is different. My freenas setup has been running great for the past 4 years now. It is "joined" to my domain, LDAP is working well. The shares I have are assigned to groups within my AD domain so permissions are a breeze. I have gone through a raidz expansion (just replaces all my drives with bigger ones and expanding the pool) that was fairly painless. I have 4 jails running 2 vm's and a docker contrainer running. I have a 10Gbe NIC and my drivers are fast enough to saturate it. I haven't needed GPU passthrough so I can't speak on that.

I didn't think freenas was hard to get up and running. I've been running it for probably 8 or 9 years now. I never took any it classes or anything besides pascal in the 90s. I just know how to read

So much agree with that - Proxmox sits very nicely in the space - for a NAS + VM (with good passthrough support). I know it is a bit more VM and container focused, but ZFS OOB... So for a case like Gamers Nexus, I would neither use FreeNAS (where VM is bolted on), nor Unraid - which isn't Open Source - and having to bolt on ZFS yourself is just not the way to go.... (and autostart VMs and containers works ;)

@@tonypilborg but what are the best practices? Using a VM for everything? Freenas on VM over Proxmox? Im looking to have Nextcloud too.

@@JohnDoe-gs1cb The boring answer is (as always) - it depends.... If you only have one box, then I would much prefer Proxmox (with ZFS), and then some system on top to yield services like backup and sharing... FreeNAS could be used, but it is intended for managing its own disks (and here it definitely shouldn't) - so perhaps other products could be considered for the role of managing storage... But it is very much possible to run everything as a WM or a container on a single Proxmox server - Including a PfSense that never lacks access to power :) - TrueNAS/FreeNAS or services like Nextcloud... Or even Xpenology..

I can imagine u saying just that in ur voice. and u dictating lord of rings after that 😂

if your using bleeding edge and something isn't broken then your clearly not doing enough with it to actually need it to begin with. security updates usually don't cause many issues but library and kernel updates 100% have the ability to cause WW3.

😂😂😂☠

There are so few GOOD videos of xen

Same here, running Unraid for over 9 years now (still from the same 2GB USB drive it came on lol) and used docker from when it was available. I never had problems with docker not starting, or the array not starting (only when there's something wrong with a disk). Array starts, shares are mounted, Docker starts and then the individual dockers start.

If I were to wager a guess, I'd say shoehorning in ZFS may have throwing the supported boot up routine out of whack. But yes, unless you do something crazy, your dockers should absolutely start on boot.

@@djnaffie and how is your experience after 10 years? Did you loose some file?

@@JohnDoe-gs1cb I've lost several hard drives in the past 10 years and I could always recover from parity. Only once I lost some data when I didn't follow the right procedure to replace a failed disk. But that was my own fault.

ProxMox does support ZFS without doing any back flips. It's just one of the options when you configure a storage array.

For the average home user, ZFS is a huge overhead to learn and support. You do not need to run ZFS on unRaid (unless you are that way inclined). To add extra storage on unRaid. Stop the server, plug in hard drive (any size, but less than the parity -you can have two parity drives), power on and format it. That's all.

>You can do all the networking and storage stuff from the webui Can it manage openvswitch?

@@spiralout112 Use a VPN to reach your network :P

yeah, instead of a NAS I do Nextcloud (ofc public) and ssh is only reachable from homenetwork (by firewall rule) I actually won't even give it an open port 80 because f*** http these days, https all the way

I just leave the task of accessing my NAS files outside of my network through the NextCloud plugin

@@HulksterHogan be aware, there is currently a ransomware attack targeting NextCloud installations called "NextCry". If you don't protect your installation with the proper configuration, you may be at risk as most long standing installations are.

@@00Klingon The problem was actually a reported bug in NGINX/PHP-FPM, not NextCloud itself. NextCloud pushed messages via e-mail, forum, and admin console on NextCloud web interface for people to update, and so far there have only been two known victims, neither of which paid the hacker: nextcloud.com/blog/nextcry-or-how-a-hacker-tried-to-exploit-a-nginx-issue-with-2-nextcloud-servers-out-of-300-000-hit-and-no-payout/

FreeNAS experience: try and scratch your head on how it works, go to forum, get scolded or looked down to for being a noob Unraid experience: go through pretty much everything without much help as it's very easy to use, go to forums to see what else you could do, get amazing advice and friendly help from a great community understanding that people have to start somewhere...

@@meptalon what you described sounds like on freenas forums there was a complete misunderstanding between you and people who showed up in your thread. First you failed to find a solution to own problem by researching what's already known (and I bet that it was a known issue and it was possible to avoid that misunderstanding altogether), then you failed to get help and after couple such confusions you left freenas in hope that it would be easier in other ecosystem -> unraid. But the thing is that it is not easier, but there are more less educated people that manage to support each other and you get impression that 1st community was more hostile than this one..

I don't spend much time there, but I never seen people on freenas forums "get scolded or looked down to for being a noob" when I looked up my own issues. makes me wanna ask for link to your thread were it really happened.

@@Mr.Leeroy you obviously haven't had the (dis)pleasure of dealing with Cyberjock I see

@@meptalon you must be one of those people that gets offended when they get told they are doing something wrong or just an unraid shill lol

ESXI isn’t really free...