Maybe i'm wrong but it looks like there were no flaps used for this landing?

Thanks! And as far as posting it. I ALWAYS post crashes for that exact reason. You will always learn more from a crash than you ever will from great flights.

State 48. Greetings from red rock country.

It was the flare. If he maintained the nose angle and just lowered (not chopped) the throttle, it would have touched down just fine. Instead the flare caused the lift to increase, and the angle-of-attack at that speed (which was dropping with no throttle change) initiated a stall ...

I flared to early and had the cg to far back.

I will be using the gyro to land from now on.

@@FatGuyFliesRC will the gyro prevent tip stall if going too slow landing? Maybe be try self-level but it can only do so much.

I might try landing her next with the wings half way back.

Well once I get the new nose gear installed the self level gyro is all I will use for landings from now on!

@@FatGuyFliesRC I really appreciate you showing us the not so good flights along with your picture perfect ones. Flying is crashing , learning, and repairing! The reason we have so many planes is we need something else to fly while repairing the busted ones =)

Always learn more from a crash. That's why I show them.

Thanks so much. it is a real reality in this hobby.

Nothing wrong with using expo.

Agreed. Expo is your friend, the more you run the smoother she flies

This has nothing to do with EXPO, this was a tip stall. You should not fly a jet as a prop plane, which also means that your exposure should not be more than 20%. I bring in my F 14 with 40% throttle. A nice guideline can be seen in this video. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/q9Oimb2h0J_XoXU.html

@@robertnijhuis15 I agree that you CANNOT fly a EDF like a prop job that is why I never do. However I do not have the luxury of a long rollout. my runway is only 210 feet long. And the grass humps at the end of the runway are bad about killing retracts.

Gotta fly it to the ground with minimal flare. Or better yet make sure max elevator throw wont make the plane do this to you. Seems like the classic too much elevator throw on landing making it flip on its back.

Thanks the only casualty was the nose gear. Everything else was undamaged.

Nice @@gooniac33 ! I have learned some lessons from your live (after) too :D

Just as soon as the new nose gear arrives.

@@FatGuyFliesRC ok! Electric landing Gears are somehow special and delicate. I tried to repair one but a minuscular plastic endpoint was missing so installed it didn’t worked

Well I had my head up my butt with this one.

Yes I am! Thanks!

Thanks for the tips!

Apparently when the flaps are deployed the elevators don’t work

Well when the new nose gear arrive I am starting over will use the onboard gyro and the fuse cg not the wing cg.and higher test lands also. See where she stalls.

Yes but I learned from it. So not a total loss.

Went threw her. Just a front nose gear is all already ordered. Thanks!

@@FatGuyFliesRC Right vertical stab is pushed inward. Unless it's a camera thing. Better take a closer look.

Watch minute 2:50-2:55. Textbook low speed stall warning. If you had a good spotter he or she would have been yelling stall stall stall. Go around. A pre stall is so much easer to react to when your not the one flying it. Most scale jets require higher speed greased landings. Especially in high wind. The wind had a big roll in the sudden drop in air speed. Don't be afraid to fly a scale jet. Practice high speed landing on your sim. and punch out/go around if you see the telltale wing waggle. Also set your c.g. to the nose heavy end of the spec. in high wind. Neutral c.g. in light to no wind.

@@georgehopper4535 No my guy.

Order the bigger one .. twin 80 it lands better than this new one .. this is like the 5th crash I have seen ..

I made this mistake for at least a decade before I figured out the cause. Sum, if not all jets stall with to much elevator throw. Test it out up high. Keep it up high so you have time to recover. Once it stops stalling, record that elv. setting and mechanically set your max throw. 100% setting on radio.

@@georgehopper4535 That's unfortunately not going to fix the stall seen here. The jet will stall earlier at lower speeds at a given angle of attack. Electrically preventing the stabs from moving to an arbitrary point doesn't stop that from happening.

It would be great if there was a settable stall warning alarm for rc jets.

I agree completely.

Well after all is done it was only the front gear that was too damaged to repair. New gear on the way.

It will be again when I get the new nose gear.

Only need a new nose gear. Order and waiting.

As soon as the nose gear arrives.

Thanks for stopping by .

I do this as well. I have to go to phone to comment

@@braddarnell2498 I comment next time on laptop. Didn't set up the phone thing either- LOL

I flared to soon thanks for stopping by! Only damage was the nose gear.

Yep when the nose gear arrives I am starting over.

Well I had my head up my butt with this one.

@@FatGuyFliesRCIt happens to us all sometimes

You’re an expert at this, would you land that jet without flaps ???

@@notbadgerbutrich I wont enable flaps on mine. Too many things can go wrong and from what I have seen most of the issues come from using them. My maiden is this weekend... so we shall see

Oh that’s nuts, I fly in the UK (mud runways) and generally use flaps, it’s a bit disappointing if the thing that makes landings better causes that model to crash. I’ll look forward to your video

@@notbadgerbutrich to date all flights I have seen are pilot error... no mechanical failures

Okay cool What negative effects do the flaps have?? Cofg movement or something else ??

Thanks for the look see.

Thanks did you and your camera lady buy the ARF pro and transfer the power system over?

@@FatGuyFliesRC Motion came through and sent us a new model! 🫡

@@hamiltonshangar WOW that is awesome!!!

I flared to soon thanks for stopping by!

Will be doing a follow up post mortem vide

i flared to early

Name of the game.

I will next time for sure.

True but not making money here just the opposite but still better than work.

I think I flared to soon. Everything was solid only the nose gear bought it. Also I have never flown this type of configuration.

Well I had my head up my butt with this one.

@@FatGuyFliesRC It happens lol. I’ve crashed more airplanes than I care to admit.

@@williamhammond3998 Well it happens and it will happen again!

I will be redoing her when my new nose gear arrives.

Only a new front gear needed.

I let pride dictate my actions...stupid of me.

Yeah I never deployed flaps on either flight to windy.

Well I will try again later today got her all back together.

This and it works spot on and VERY reliable. GNSS performance analyzer: www.amazon.com/dp/B0849Y4CHF?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details

yep that was a bit sudden.

I flared to soon thanks for stopping by! Only damage was the nose gear.

I flared to soon thanks for stopping by! In the repair assessment I secured them down with tiny washers.

@@FatGuyFliesRC yeah thats what im hearing about this bird land no flaps and flare just slighly off the ground. Ive see alot of crashes and it makes me skeptical to fly it bc it would kill me to crash it. $$$ down the drain. I took it out for a taxi test and it looks awesome just rolling it around the groud..lol

Well i will stay with it until either it is not fixable or it flies great but I will keep trying.

She has a learning curve for sure.

Well it was not the gyro since I had it switched off. On the maiden It did the same thing at the same spot but i recovered. No idea other than just dropped a wing.

A great looking plane. A very honest and enjoyable commentary by your good self. Hope shes up and flying soon.

@@FatGuyFliesRC I don't understand your refusal to use the gyro! It's your friend! If it's available, use it for takeoffs, landings and flight (all the time)!

@@FatGuyFliesRCif it happened in the same spot previously, then I would suspect a signal issue.

Well I flared to soon and to much.

Well I will use the selflevel gyro for landing her from now on.

Well I had my head up my butt with this one.

I got lucky this time.

No I have not yet used the flaps.

So flaps are scary on an edf and will cause a stall at high bank angles. I only go passed 1/4 flaps when lined up with the runway. You’ve done well to get to this level and only 20% will get here but landing with no flaps at all will hurt

I flared to soon

Yea I let pride dictate my actions and well you saw the results...lol

I know how you feel about being monetized but i believe you bring so much to the hobby. You deserve a little financial help with all these planes. We both know the cost of the planes are just the tip of the iceberg in what we have to invest to keep these channels going.

@@FatGuyFliesRC kind of you to say , but when I started youtube, many moons ago LOL... I said to myself this is just for fun and I will never seek any form of compensation for my hobby/efforts - I have been and continue to be privileged to have had great jobs that pay well, compared to many, I also have a rather large stock of aircraft still new in box's - I can call upon as and when I need - I also do sell off some of my less flown, less wanted aircraft on consignment with my model shop - the funds I get from those sales stays with the shop and I get 100% of it when I buy items, this helps fund items such as RXs, Batteries, and the odd RC new release. I appreciate your message, Cheers Martyn

LOL more of the same.

Well the more I learn about her the more I see that. it is a tricky bird to fly.

I see that. In defense of the model(s)they ALL eventually crash. @@FatGuyFliesRC

Well I had my head up my butt with this one.

@@FatGuyFliesRC We have all been there. Brain freeze for a split second or poor light conditions, and we can end up with a shorter plane than we started out with.....

@@ulrikhansen7940 LOL well I had my head up my butt. She will fly again VERY soon!

In the above video, all stall are too the right. All the crashes and tip stall on other videos are to the right. Makes me wonder if there is a difference of washout between both wings. Maybe the wing mounting fixture is off so the right wing has a higher incidence tban the left.

Good to know thanks.

When are you taking her up again?

@@robertgibbons5481 My next possible day will be next Tuesday the 16th. Weather permitting.

I think I flared to much to soon.

@FatGuyFliesRC I fly my props where there's a lot of obstacles. I end up hitting things occasionally. I normally land my jet with speed, I really don't flair much. I do have a 550' runway, though. I have learned to fly them at an airpark. I consentrate on keeping them low and level on the final approach.

​@@Royshangerunxerstandable

​@@Royshangermy airstrip is 210 ft so no room for a very long runout.

@@FatGuyFliesRC I know it's like landing on a aircraft Carrier. Lol

Well I had my head up my butt with this one.

Well I had my head up my butt with this one.

Well it is full of drama for sure.

Very true but the fun factor is so high I find it worth it.