Nahh 0.07 speed

​@@lorekeeper685 0.05, and turn off your internet every so in a while too

@@DIRTkat_ofc the shortest the addon goes is at 00.7

@@DIRTkat_ofc also remember to come as close to the South pole, the Amazon rainforest or the Sahara desert to make sure your internet speed is as slow as an ORAS stall mirror.

Make sure to pause, make someone else watch half way, switch back in, unpause and watch 1/4 of the video, pause, switch out AGAIN to another person to watch 3.33th of the video, make lunch, and then forfeit because you got burned

False swipe I feel like spent the most time covering the doomed era of Ora’s

"oh cool! a fast, frail pokemon is getting popular in the meta! finally a good counter for sta- ...oh."

@@rubengoldman5830 non rocks weak stall goons and zeraora w/ its pult humbling speed tier rushing to the xxl timbs

"I play both side, so that i always come out on top." - Dugtrio

The fact that a Pokemon with 10 hp was on stall lol

Love that fatass

Gens 2-4:

@@SminkingDoctorI mean it was really good in gen 2 and 4 UU although I guess not so much in gen 3 since it was UUBL, point being it wasn’t bad and had niches in OU in all of those generations

Pex was always the issue tbh

Mega Slowbro took his Stalling gimmick, and turned it up to 20, high defenses and HP with Shell Armor stopping crits! You either counter stall with Toxic, or use Regieleki's insane speed with electro ball

This is true, but ngl I also appreciate it when my opponent and I both lead with our SR setters and we both set rocks the first turn. I call any Turn 1 mutual exchange of hazards "The Smogon Handshake".

@@FatherOfGrayMutually assured destruction via the funny pebbles

😂😂

also in gen 7 it had the option to run a z move to super duper eliminate basically whatever it wanted

Thank you for being the paragraph person

Not only were the Tapus + Magearna introduced as new Fairies that scared Sableye, but Mega Mawile got unbanned in the generational shift due to no longer being considered overpowered (once again there were now more checks like Pex, Sucker Punch got nerfed so offense was better vs it, etc.). Mega Mawile absolutely shit on stall in general (once Duggy got banned) even with Pex since Mawile was always on teams that has ways to deal with Pex (i.e Magma Storm Tran to trap and kill with Earth Power, or Gigavolt Havoc Magearna). Mawile was such a brutal matchup for stall that random mons that otherwise did very little started being looked at like Avalugg (lost to Iron Head but that was uncommon since it otherwise only really beat Mega Venusaur), Moltres (had trouble with Thunder Punch, especially with Rocks up), and even Mega Avalugg (which was able to beat every Mawile variant except the people who hated Heatran + Ferro cores and used SubPunch). It's kind of incredible how just Mawile's presence in the tier forcing stall to fight against it, which made Stall weaker vs everything else, was really nice for fighting Stall even without Mawile. Like, oh you're using a Mega Aggron stall team? Nice, I don't have to deal with Mega Sableye preventing my Rocks then

@@cooperm4185 *Mega Aggron, not Avalugg

Pretty sure syther could learn morning sun and then you could develop to scizor. Also sleep talk sets. And a bit indirect healing was possible. Ran into so many swamperts running protect to enhance the use of leftovers (and toxic)

@@martinerhard8447 for sure, but morning sun in a metagame centered around permanent sand means it will just heal 1/4, which is terrible, also scizor in gen 3 is kinda bad without technician/bullet punch/u-turn/phys pursuit.

@@satiri4639 yup good point about the weather runing this kind of healing. All that remains is stuff like resto chesto or sleep talk. With a fully defensive scizor one can at least use it as a good baton pass mon

​@@martinerhard8447 swampert, skarmory and metagross all regularly use protect to get leftovers chip yes, but there's a big difference between 50% and 6%. and rest is punished hard in gen 3 because for some reason if you use rest talk then switch or get phased out it resets the sleep counter, only suicune and zapdos really get away with it by threatening skarmory (the best phaser) and they both take sand. bulky balance is viable but stall gets destroyed pretty easily. and yep scizor is only used for gimmicky baton pass offense

@@aldrichunfaithful3589 agree to all of this ever considered to do yt videos on these topics?

Don’t forget the gems in gen 5! Z moves at home.

Knockoff is now used in Gen 3 as well, despite being a pitifully weak special move. People learned that item removal is just that good

@@jasonbell8515gems were better than Z-moves for attacks and not by a little

Yeah it's strange how such good strategies can be overlooked for so long. I used to play NetBattle back in the day and it took a long time for people to realise how good Choice Band was. For a couple of years it was basically only used on Slaking (who was just using a move and switching out immediately anyway) and was considered a waste/too risky on anything else. Being unable to switch moves seemed like too much of a drawback. I remember someone out-right won a Smogon tournament with Choice Band Metagross (a set that was basically considered to be a gimmick at the time) and that's when it all changed and people started using Choice Band on other non-Slaking Pokemon after that.

Gen 8 made future sight pivot into a wall breaker popular that it's bringing mons like slowing back in old gens

Good times 😮‍💨

mega rayquaza is bulkier than toxapex

Amoongus has higher attack than Talonflame

​@@KorabroWait what?

​@@Sancnea Oh my god they're right, Amoongus has a base attack of 85 whereas Talonflame has only 81

@@realcupojoe I didn't realise how much those 120 BP STAB moves carried this weak ass bird.

7 moves, but one of those is Splash

Even worse is that Chandelure was supposed to have it in gen V, but it never got its hidden ability released until VI, where they had a moment of restraint and changed it to Infiltrator. Only to lose all restraint and give it to Mega-freaking-Gengar instead, in the same gen

@@furiouscorgi6614 technically 9, in Gen III there was a Wynaut event that had Tickle, and in SwSh it got Amnesia. (There is also a 10th move it had one gotten. In Gen II there was downloadable Mimic Wobbuffet egg event but it is unobtainable in any titles where Abilities exist since it, alongide every other Gen I and II event-only move, is unobtainable in the Virtual Console versions of the game.)

@Dunsparce206 and in 99 percent of cases, to be fair, it's still running dual counters, destiny bond, and an option restricting move

This the level of hate I aspire to reach 🙏🏼🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️

I don’t think there’s a Pokémon I despise going against in showdown more than toxapex

Honestly trappin is still super cracked on a couple guys. Zone and heatran are honestly better off not tryna trap. But I say that because I’m fooling around w/ steel beam, analytic, flame body. The actual trappers. Block Garg, prob the most simple and mid amount of reward. Hydriegon, my favorite. Fire spin, protect(roost got clapped) twave, dark pulse. If it’s nat dex or prior gen, if it’s prior gen you wouldn’t be using this set 💀 if it’s nat dex you have roost and therefore u can try being greedy w/ a wack item. Cloak, which ever trap item boosts trap residual and not how long it lasts. Twave dark pulse by itself is evil. And then last is gliscor. Sand tomb over Eq. Need the tect/roost, knock? Tox? Taunt? Taunt is tuff because more required to dump into speed over pure bulk. If ur slower than a slow Dd guy the taunt is useless. And fishing for sand tomb really can be tuff. As gliscor tryna trap ain really keepin it for the long game. Vs say Tox protect do nun.

@@Interiorcrocodilealigator10838 Dang, that's some nice alternative thinking there. Wish we got more Perish Song access so manual trapping could make it more effective

IIRC it was a bit of both. I vaguely remember a lot of people complaining about Zard Y+Tyranitar+Dugtrio teams back in Gen 7.

Trapping is just universally broken and the only ones ever allowed are manual or zone. Kinda wish we test it back in just to see if it still is cuz looking at the mons now what do you even trap without just losing that mon? You can even terra ghost out of it if it's really bad for your team but the world ain't ready for that conversation

@@Ritsuemaru by running tera ghost on your entire team to evade trapping you're entirely losing out on the tera mechanic though. It's the exact same thing as with shed shell: sure you could run 6 shed shells on your team, but at what cost? You'd make your entire team lose out on items in return. Also how you trap is simple: use one of the now dozen momentum moves to get your trapper in without taking damage.

Nah ur completely right

Cries in gsc

@@sheepwithshadesgaming4717 oh god lol, I tried it for an afternoon… good for anyone who likes it, but it was NOT for me

Stall is the only reason I play randoms on Showdown instead of constructed OU. Stall is just not at all fun to fight, even if I win. I think if stall was banned it would bring back SO many players than lose. But since the higher ups at smogon play stall, it'll never happen.

​@@squillamsquallace2468tropius 😭

Good 😂

The Stall Bible (a Google Doc from a community Discord) lists *TEN* things that a good Gen 9 Stall team absolutely requires in order to work. TEN. In case you're curious: A Nasty Plot Gholdengo counter, also capable of beating Psyshock variants. 99% of the time this will be Calm Mind Tera Dark Blissey or Amnesia Tera Steel/Dark Clodsire, but a few other things can also do this. In a similar vein, a solution for Stored Power sweepers. The above listed Blissey and Clodsire work here, but options like Clear Smog Amoonguss and Haze Toxapex or a variety of phasers work as well. Watch out for Tera Steel. Cosmic Power or Calm Mind Unaware Clefable or Deoxys-Defense also can work. Hazards. For Spikes, Gliscor is easily the best, but Skarmory and Clodsire are also good. Niche options like Deoxys-Defense, Quagsire, Gastrodon, and Ting-Lu also can work. For Stealth Rock, Blissey is the best by a long shot, although basically everything else that learns the move can be a viable user of it. Typically you need at least one reliable setter, and that can make room for a more niche secondary setter (example: Blissey for rocks and Quagsire for Spikes or Gliscor for Spikes and Bronzong for rocks). Both Stealth Rock and Spikes aren’t required on every team but they are highly recommended. A way to manage hazards and Knock Off. A team can either stack knock absorbers (Gliscor, Magic Guard Clefable, Tera Flying Alomomola, Muk, Hydrapple, Skarmory/Corviknight, etc) or fight to try and remove hazards. Remember, you have to be able to remove on Gholdengo, so you can't just throw Defog on a Corviknight and call it a day, you need other things to supplement that. A Choice Specs switch-in. Blissey is usually the primary switch-in for Choice Specs users like Dragapult, Latios, Walking Wake, Raging Bolt, etc. Combinations of other options like Slowking-Galar, specially defensive Toxapex, Ting-Lu, and Slowking can also be similarly as effective, just it takes far more space on a team. A way to counter Future Sight. The most standard technique is giving a psychic resist/immunity or bulky special wall Protect, like Blissey, Ting-Lu, specially defensive Corviknight, Gholdengo, Deoxys-Defense, Tera Steel Cyclizar, or a multitude of others. Substitute on Regenerator users like Slowking or Slowking-Galar is also effective, as Future Sight does very little to them. An end-game Kingambit counter. The standard is Dondozo, with Tera Fighting to handle Tera Dark Fallen 5 Kingambit, although there are other ways to deal with this. Moltres, Talonflame, Counter Clodsire/Quagsire, fast Iron Defense Skarmory/Corviknight, and a handful of other niche options. Often, you can’t deal with this with one pokemon, and the counterplay depends on the Kingambit set. An Ogerpon-Wellspring switch-in. Ogerpon-Wellspring finds free entry on the slough of water moves that the thousand bulky waters like to use, and is a scary offensive threat. Amoonguss, Wo-Chien, Hydrapple, Tera Grass Talonflame, Tera Dragon Gliscor, Mandibuzz, Brave Bird Skarmory/Corviknight, etc. Some checks here are far better than others. Amoonguss and Wo-Chien are by far the safest two options as they handle every common set. Usually, you want at least one Unaware pokemon. Dondozo, Clodsire, Clefable, Skeledirge, and Quagsire all do different things and can be used for this. This isn’t exactly mandatory, but you will be much more consistent with Unaware versus without Unaware. A way to make progress. Whether this is trapping, PP stalling, status, item removal, hard hitters, or a combination of the prior, you need to be able to actually make progress over an extended game. Stall can almost never hold out indefinitely, you need to pressure your opponent and remove or limit their key pieces before they break your defensive core. Remember, you only have 8 pp on most recovery moves.

I mean somewhat. But regenerator toxipex is what I run and I do pretty well, always getting into master ball tier every season (not all running the mon though, but most of the time)

Gholdengo specifically doesn't care at all about dedicated stall teams, which forces you to run at least 1 heavy hitter just to clear the way for the rest of your walls

Also, the pp nerf to healing moves was like getting shot on the foot for stall teams

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@@blahtest If you're saying this comment copied the top comment that says this, you're geniunely stupid

I mean iirc it’s not that great in draft. It, like many other stall mons in draft, is really passive and not that hard to counterteam due to that.

Well hey, if Legends ZA has anything to say about it, maybe Megas will become a thing in more games.

It is. Singles matches take way to long and players bringing stall (regardless of if it’s good or not) will cause matches to go for too long

i doubt it, since doubles became the official format in gen 3, and vgc is just more entertaining since theres more going on. also the official singles format is 3v3, so the matches will go by faster even if there is stall. plus theres a game timer so its not like games are going to an hour even if a player uses stall. not to mention that stall has been used in vgc before, never been a top strat or anything but its been relevant a few times and has had some good placements

fake agent spotted, booted out of the agency, agents only use stall in tournament when they have to win

You just betrayed Big stall some weeks ago by saying the recover PP nerf was good

Also, seeing weavile stall mentioned is really cool. Having a purely offensive threat on a playstyle like stall is wild, and it's one of the most interesting meta shifts out there imo

I needed to start playing Magic to appreciate Stall in pokémon, but one thing that makes stall way more annoying than control are the mirrors: control mirrors are still pretty entertaining, because it is all about setting up your own wincons, which you need to, otherwise you just won't close down the game and every cheap damage that bypass will either defeat you eventually or you will time out a lot, unless you are a prison style deck (more common in Yugi-oh, albeit I don't understand muc that game, but there is some actual prison decks in magic, such as lantern control), but prison decks are so rare that I don't know how the mirror works, meanwhile, Stall actually has 0 wincons and few ways to pressure the opponents, so commonly ends up on an attrition war of nearly unlimited resources

I get your argument and truly wanna agree with you, but stall is the only style I neither find fun to play as or against. There’s just something about it that’s so exhausting to me that I can’t help but dislike it. And it’s not even like I don’t value defensive play. In BDSP OU, I had so much fun using Cradily. While I agree with you that stall is a valid play style, I still can’t get myself to like it 😂

@@TherealMatthias1998 That's completely valid and I don't begrudge you your opinion; it's absolutely fine to not like playing against it! I don't like losing to Stall either, lol. You can acknowledge that something's valid while still hating it :p

@@xaropevic7918Better stall teams usually don't have *zero* wincons - good Stall players know that outlasting forever isn't really possible. They're just generally very overlookable ways to pressure the opponent, like Toxic, trapping, or (in the extreme situation) PP stalling.

@@CantusTropus while I hate losing to every play style, the magic of stall is that it’s the only play style that annoys me even when I beat it 😂

Basically "If you're not patient enough to outlast me, you don't deserve to win."

the only smart comment ive read this entire video, someones using their brain in place of "stall is cancer 😔😑😤😭😭😭😭" emotions

I can force myself to kind of get why people would tolerate stall. But for it to be the only play style you enjoy? Federal prison max security one bajillion years.

Its what you deserve for loading up stall tbh :/

@@tazabstrakt2432 my point is that the other player is forcing it upon itself while if they forfeit when they see they have lost, it's quicker for the both of us

@@lulu82o I get what you’re saying, the player could avoid the long game by just putting pride aside and forfeiting. But what I’m saying is you deserve to get stuck in that drawn out game since it is you who brought that upon them by loading up stall. It’s not that serious though HO is equally as cringe

@@tazabstrakt2432 you are correct. I find it interesting though that people prefer to loose in 15 turns to ash greninja or get reverse swept by kingambit than stall. Among top players, there is a common theme that is to say that in theory, lugia wouldn't be overpowered in OU, bc it's so passive and it's typing is bad, but it would turn the tier into an absolute stall fest and nobody wants that, so lugia will never get the zamazenta treatment.

8 PP is balanced. Remember that it used to have 32.

pedantic nerd no one cares