How to freeze dry raw meats. Issues on Hydrogen Sulfide and Methane gases. Taste test on 2-3 year old FD meats
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@ISayFinn11 күн бұрын
Great content, best I have seen on Freeze Drying meat.
@Teresa.McDermott Жыл бұрын
I was told by other freeze dryer people that I should rehydrate raw meat with cold water and cooked with hot water. The nice things about raw is that it won't take more moisture than it needs. I've only done beef and pork raw. I've FD'd rotisserie chicken. This makes me want to do raw boneless/skinless chicken breasts.
@Philat4800feet Жыл бұрын
How technical should I get? The atoms in hot water are more active than cold water and will move more quickly though the tissue of the food. We're only talking about a 2-3 minute benefit until the water cools.
@Teresa.McDermott Жыл бұрын
@@Philat4800feet Thanks!
@j.79 Жыл бұрын
We've done lots of chicken breast, whole breast can take up to 3! days to freeze dry, but it's worth it IMO. We also reconstitute meat with vegetable or beef broth.
@T4nkcommander Жыл бұрын
All I know is that rehydrating cooked steak using hot water makes it seem like you just got it off the grill!
@Philat4800feet Жыл бұрын
@@T4nkcommander Try Sous Vide some day
@cherylb.97664 ай бұрын
Thank you for sharing that info. Even the failed package was helpful
@weB3now Жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣🤣the insert of Gordon Ramsey had me rolling! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@Philat4800feet Жыл бұрын
It took me awhile to find a section without cursing
@T4nkcommander Жыл бұрын
@@Philat4800feet I bet! I was not expecting meme content from you, but I was very pleasantly surprised
@rodboatwright9113 Жыл бұрын
Phil thanks for this video, You are a wealth of information.... I'm going to freeze dry raw chicken next.
@elaineoutdoors9581 Жыл бұрын
I have found that rehydrating raw pork chops in warm veggie broth is delicious in spite of no fat, it's very flavorful after cooking
@Philat4800feet Жыл бұрын
I love this concept for rehydrating..
@bobjaynes6821 Жыл бұрын
Growing up farm/ranch and butchering our own animals, I've never had a problem with beef being red or not red - just depends upon conditions and environments. If someone wants the red color returned to beef (from the hemoglobin factors being removed through FD'g), it can be rehydrated with straight or diluted beet juice. Haven't done it myself, but have been told that it is highly satisfactory.
@Philat4800feet Жыл бұрын
That's diffrent.
@shellystanley4902 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your answer about eggs in a previous video!
@karenf14 Жыл бұрын
Great video
@standdown4929 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video. I only saw one other raw meat video and the meat was all gray, which was a turn off. After watching this video, I might just try it. Very informative and the meat looked fresh after rehydrating. 😊
@Philat4800feet Жыл бұрын
Tasty too.
@bobjaynes6821 Жыл бұрын
Another awesome and information video. Muchas gracias, Phil!! :) I have also put up quite a bit of meat, cooked and uncooked. Trimming all the fat is key, and the thinner slices is wise, also 👍 I'm going to pick up one of those meters for sure, so the kids/whomever can feel safe and sure about the meats in the future. Thanks again!!
@Philat4800feet Жыл бұрын
I borrow my meter from work. They're not cheap.
@sinclairpages Жыл бұрын
I prefer to do component freeze drying. I realized it is time consuming to get all the fat in meat removed. I found that using a 'senu' knife works well.
@louisecolligan8729 Жыл бұрын
I have just purchased an extra- large Harvest Right freeze dryer and I have everything to learn. I love your videos because I learn so much. I’m so glad that you showed (elsewhere) that freeze-dried food can go into zip- locked bags or Mason jars for short- term storing. Is that one year? Can one freeze dry cabbage? Thanks so much. You are a lifesaver.
@Philat4800feet Жыл бұрын
Lettuce, cabbage, tomatoes, and similar, rehydrate back kind of mushy. I've used FD cabbage in shrimp tacos...I missed the chunch.
@kevinmcbee7207 Жыл бұрын
Love your video, I share them all the time on MEWE hope you don't mind. I and a lot of others would like you to take a deep dive into rehydrating different food. Thank You
@greyballer1671 Жыл бұрын
Here is South Dakota they make tiger meat. Raw ground beef and seasoning and eat it raw.
@Philat4800feet Жыл бұрын
No rye bread and chips?
@zhippidydoodah Жыл бұрын
Great information. Now I have more things to fear. LOL Since the ham became moistened, is there risk of botulism? Would the bag expand like the canned foods that are affected? I have done raw hamburger patties, and raw eggs. I trust the eggs, but will take a look at the beef soon.
@Philat4800feet Жыл бұрын
Food can "spoil" without being toxic. From the FDA: Foods that deteriorate and develop unpleasant odors, tastes, and textures are spoiled. Spoilage bacteria can cause fruits and vegetables to get mushy or slimy, or meat to develop a bad odor. Most people would not choose to eat spoiled food. However, if they did, they probably would not get sick.
@T4nkcommander Жыл бұрын
Regarding botulism, the numbers seem to vary, but between 3-10% moisture content in an anaerobic environment is what botulism needs to thrive. That's been my biggest concern - botulism growth without other food spoilage. But it seems if you have enough moisture for botulism the food will have already spoiled.
@jo-annjewett1986 ай бұрын
I grew up eating raw hamburger. I stopped the year that several kids died from eating undercooked fast food hamburgers. I am getting ready to empty out some meat in my freezer.
@lizchattin70164 ай бұрын
I do shredded cooked breasts. It seems to well enough. I may be brave enough to try raw meats after this video.
@kathygarner4193 ай бұрын
Phil: I question whether you should do pepperoni, most of the pepperoni from the local stores is at least 25% fat and some is over 30%. I defat my pepperoni when making homemade pizza in the microwave between paper towels for 45 seconds and then pat it dry before adding it to my pizza next to the sauce putting the cheese over it. I would like to save part of my arteries for another day. Authentic Italian whole pepperoni is a dried sausage aged for a long time is not inclined to spoil if it is kept in a cool, dark, dry locations for a long time.
@Philat4800feet3 ай бұрын
As far as freeze drying, the less fat the better. if the fat is cooked or rendered the "meat" will last longer. I would vacuum pack it with an OA to make sure all oxygen is removed.
@charleyarchuleta493210 ай бұрын
What if you add two absorbers and a few tablespoons of sea salt in the bag?? I did this because I’m phobic about the bacteria within the fat thriving. I shake the bags vigorously to hear the salt spread over the meat. Will this keep the meat better this way?
@Philat4800feet10 ай бұрын
Interesting. Indigenous peoples have preserved foods for centuries using salt. Salt reduces the water activity of food. The OA would reduce the oxygen. I guess it would work, although you'll have extra salt to deal with at the time of eating.
@charleyarchuleta493210 ай бұрын
@@Philat4800feet my thought on this was, that I planned to use salt on while cooking. It saves me a step. It’s as dry as can be so the salt hasn’t been uptaked, and introducing into the water should just wash it off mostly. I’ll have to give it some time and then try it out.
@PennyRitz Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this! We are trying to make the jump to meats, but it is intimidating! Where do you get your o2 absorbers, and how do you store them after you open them to prevent them all from going bad?
@Philat4800feet Жыл бұрын
Check these out: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/obVxdLJ71rrTmKs.html kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qp56es5etcDPdok.html I have found the better OA are from LDS Dist, HR, and Discount Mylar
@photofreak21 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for another great video, John! I’d be afraid to freeze dry pepperoni, as fatty as it is, but would be curious to see how yours does, long term. Can you please share what the gas meter you’re using is, and where we can find one?
@Philat4800feet Жыл бұрын
Honeywell GasAlert Max XT II Confined Space Multi-Gas Monitor They can be $700 to $1500. Not cheap. Do you really need one? You could get by with your own nose.
@photofreak21 Жыл бұрын
@@Philat4800feet oh, thanks for the quick reply. That is pricy, so I’ll just sniff it instead! 😄
@gmwwc Жыл бұрын
Phill, what size cubes of beef? I have some going in the FD tomorrow. When done I will vac with OAs in 7 ml mylar bags.
@Philat4800feet Жыл бұрын
No larged than 3/4" x 3/4"
@abudhabig0ld7 ай бұрын
I love your videos but if you read the lable on on Mountain whatever products contain as much as 20% fat from bacon to hamberger, eggs are what 40% fat? So how can you tell people they have to remove all the fat? If Mountain whatever has been freeze drying and selling food for 30+ years and guarenteeing it for 10 to 35 years why can't we?
@Philat4800feet7 ай бұрын
Removing the fat reduces the risk. You can FD fat as long as the oxygen is removed. Fat is also flavor.
@tlfloraАй бұрын
can you fd a food too long ?
@Philat4800feetАй бұрын
Not really, you'll just pull a fraction of more moisture out of it.
@gmwwc Жыл бұрын
Trimming the fat off a tenderloin is SO much easier if you put it in the freezer for a while.
@Philat4800feet Жыл бұрын
I agree. These just came home from shopping.
@louisecolligan8729 Жыл бұрын
If I sous- vide my meat, do I still remove all fat and the skin? ( that is before freeze drying the meats).
@Philat4800feet Жыл бұрын
Yes, remove as much fat as you can. What is left will be somewhat rendered.
@francescapps7394 Жыл бұрын
My freeze dried chicken has area that are very tough, what could I be doing wrong?
@Philat4800feet Жыл бұрын
Was the chicken cooked or raw? Try thinner pieces of meat. It sounds like the meat may not have been rehydrated through and through. Use hot water to rehydrate, let soak in, put in bowl and cover with plastic wrap and heat up. The steam inside will help force the moisture deeper into the meat.
@francescapps7394 Жыл бұрын
@@Philat4800feet , the chicken was raw and I rehydrated it in water over night in the refrigerator.
@shellystanley4902 Жыл бұрын
Can you please post the name brand name of your gas meter? Thank you!
@Philat4800feet Жыл бұрын
They're expensive. Honeywell GasAlert Max XT II Confined Space Multi-Gas Monitor
@shellystanley4902 Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@tillisross2246 Жыл бұрын
Where can I get one of those gas meters?
@Philat4800feet Жыл бұрын
They can run between $700 and $1500. I have one from work.
@shellystanley4902 Жыл бұрын
We used these at my work also, but I’ve been retired for over two years and couldn’t remember the name or make!!
@codyjaime5785 Жыл бұрын
Foul smell 😂😂😂
@Sabrina1998 Жыл бұрын
In order to see if your food is compromised in the mylar bags, I put a total weight on the bottom left corner when it’s completely packaged up, including the oxygen absorber. If that weight changes, I know that moisture has most likely gotten into the bag, or that the food was not completely freeze dried.
@Philat4800feet Жыл бұрын
Interesting thought.
@Philat4800feet Жыл бұрын
@@nanmaco I weigh the food, and rotate the trays every 6 hours for more even drying