Friedrich Nietzsche on the Origin and Purposes of Punishment (Genealogy)

Friedrich Nietzsche on the Origin and Purposes of Punishment (Genealogy) - Philosophy Core Concepts

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This is a video in my new Core Concepts series -- designed to provide students and lifelong learners a brief discussion focused on one main concept from a classic philosophical text and thinker.
This video focuses on Friedrich Nietzsche's Genealogy of Morals, and discusses the theory of punishment he articulates there, distinguishing between the origins and the later purposes of punishment.
It turns out that there is no one single "meaning" of punishment, with the implication that any of the main contemporary theories that stress one primary meaning, goal, or function of punishment (retribution, incapacitation, deterrence, rehabilitation, etc.) can provide at best a partial picture of what is really going on.
Nietzsche theorizes that the origin of punishment lies in the relationship between creditor and debtor - the right exercised by the creditor to exact or impose something painful or humiliating upon the debtor, in order to gain some pleasure or some tradeoff in the process. He stresses that this is not the main meaning of punishment - the origin is not the same thing as the meaning.
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@staceymeggs3041 6 ай бұрын

Thank you! Your videos help me wrap my head around Nietzsche. His words are so flowery that I get lost frequently. You make it so easy!

@GregoryBSadler 6 ай бұрын

Glad they're helpful for you

@GregoryBSadler 11 жыл бұрын

a core concept video specifically on Nietzsche's theory of punishment, a he articulates it in the Genealogy of Morals

@aliadel7554 8 ай бұрын

This video is incredible. Thank you Professor.

@GregoryBSadler 8 ай бұрын

You’re welcome. Glad you enjoyed it

@GregoryBSadler 11 жыл бұрын

Well, Nietzsche actually does say that the transaction involved in punishment includes the pleasure of getting to punish, to cause pain to another

@mattb6721 9 жыл бұрын

Great video! Was that your dog towards the end or something?

@MrMarktrumble 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you

@GregoryBSadler 4 жыл бұрын

You're welcome, Mark!

@neoepicurean3772 4 жыл бұрын

I think the philosophy of punishment is something I would like to research one day. I'm researching the implications of being under constant surveillance at the moment - it's closely related, but not quite the same.

@GregoryBSadler 4 жыл бұрын

Yes, they're connected areas of research

@neoepicurean3772 4 жыл бұрын

@@GregoryBSadler I've put in my research proposal to Oxford - waiting on the answer. Thanks for your videos, have been a great help through my undergrad studies.

@GregoryBSadler 4 жыл бұрын

@@neoepicurean3772 Cool - good luck with it! Glad the videos have been useful

@neoepicurean3772 4 жыл бұрын

@@GregoryBSadler I got rejected - strange as part of my research proposal included the ethical implications on loss of privacy from the tracking and monitoring disease spread! And I sent that in before all this kicked off... I thought my proposal got very relevant. But I got my degree from a low ranked uni, so I guess that's what they look at when filtering the applications.

@GregoryBSadler 4 жыл бұрын

@@neoepicurean3772 Those processes are rarely genuinely meritocratic

@GregoryBSadler 11 жыл бұрын

13 -- but you'd want to read it back a bit into the earlier ones

@n6rut0 11 жыл бұрын

When you first read from Nietzsche's Origin and Purposes of Punishment at 04:40 or so what chapter is it from?

@shaunkerr8721 Жыл бұрын

Curious of your thoughts on of this idea of punishment speaks to "punching up" ? Specificity the notion where Nietzsche speaks to ppl feeling empowered when the transverse the social order & exact "force" through punishment on those in higher stations (socially, economically, historically, etc.) Would this speak more towards those actions being a regression of sort, feeding a more primal/ ancient notion of justice instead of being a progressive, new form of social order?

@GregoryBSadler Жыл бұрын

Not really sure what you're asking here. Could use a bit of a rewrite, I think.

@GregoryBSadler 11 жыл бұрын

I see. So, basically, your view is that most people don't get to have an opinion.

@missyoumeeko 10 жыл бұрын

Who do you think is the most compelling critic of nietzsche's genealogy?

@GregoryBSadler 10 жыл бұрын

You mean the book itself? Or the approach? And, why?

@missyoumeeko 10 жыл бұрын

Gregory B. Sadler I'm writing a dissertation on whether Nietzsche's genealogy (in the genealogy of morals) renders modern morals only explainable and not justifiable, and (because i argue it does) what this means about our current system of crime and punishment. I outline Nietzsche's explanation of how we got to the morals we have today and i talk about the importance of looking at origins (why i came back to this video). In the area of crime and punishment i have lots of views including kant, boyd, dummet, devvit. But all of the punishment debate uses nietzsches points as a springboard, so i feel i should study some criticism of his argument. So far it seems that Heidegger is a popular choice. I wanted to know your opinion

@GregoryBSadler 10 жыл бұрын

I'd look at Alasdair MacIntyre then. I have to admit that I'm very surprised to read that "all of the punishment debate uses nietzsches points as a springboard". That wasn't my experience when I was examining theories of punishment a few years back

@missyoumeeko 10 жыл бұрын

Gregory B. Sadler Great thanks. I am arguing that we suppress our human instincts. I argue that using torture and punishment as compensation is logical. The genealogy shows how dubious the birth of christianity is and shows how we have moved on from these old beliefs. Nothing with a history is definable, so we have look back at the origins. Both the animal kingdom and early history allow for animals to be animals in the sense of not letting their instincts turn in on themselves. With this idea in place i use people like kant to see if there are any fundamental rights we can latch onto in order to make some law for the state. Thank you for the recommendation on McIntyre. Also i would like to thank you for the work you are doing uploading these videos on to youtube. I am writing to you from England in my final year of a philosophy degree and i only wish i had found your channel sooner. Your lectures are very interesting, informative and easy to digest and it has helped me gain a better and fuller understanding of arguments, after doing my own reading.

@Markka161 7 жыл бұрын

I would be interested to read your dissertation. Let me know if that is possible. :)

@poetryandtruth469 8 жыл бұрын

Did Neitzsche belive in existence of free will? And did he wrote about it anywhere

@GregoryBSadler 8 жыл бұрын

+PoetryAnd Truth Depends on what you mean by "free will", really -- it hasn't meant the same thing for all theorists. For the most part, Nietzsche attacks the notion. Look in the Genealogy and Beyond Good and Evil, and that will get you started.

@MrChaoplexity 8 жыл бұрын

+PoetryAnd Truth he believed in responsibility but not freedom, amor fati

@GregoryBSadler 8 жыл бұрын

MrChaoplexity Depends on which sense of "freedom" you mean.

@MrChaoplexity 8 жыл бұрын

+MrChaoplexity you have to love your existence and your destiny, you have to own it utterly, now he did believe in power and will, even though they are perhaps illusions but "life longs to vent its strength" so he had that same impetus you find in the existentialist but he is like me an essentialist in that he believes we have definite natures even though we are empowered by being self creating we never really radically free, i would say and i think he would agree that existence without a nature is impossible as there is no-in itself, my first answer is correct my second is more an artistic projection but i hope it will help you understand how Nietzsche seems to have thought, you may also want to regard the eternal recurrance, i personally hate this idea but nietzsche loved it i will not do it justice for you because my hate will taint my perspective, it is not clear if he believed it was true or if it was just a test of ones radical affirmation, but going on the fact they had recently important ed Buddhist doctrine via Schopenhauer and the ideas were kind of mis understood, contrast the eternal recurrence with buddhist doctrine of enlightenment in which one escapes Samara or they cycle of rebirth. The Eternal recurrance is a test of amor fati, the love or affirmation of ones destiy as determined by the spirit of the times and ones situ and ones character, so whilst a Nietzschean hero is self recreating he has a definite nature. i hope that helps

@MrChaoplexity 8 жыл бұрын

+PoetryAnd Truth oh btw that was a really good question... so well done, asking good questions is underrated, but you hit upon the point i just colored it in