From EXT4 to BTRFS on Synology RS1219+ The Long Slow WAY - 817

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My PlayHouse

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5 жыл бұрын

Migrating the old drives over from the old DS411j went without a glitch. But now I still have the old EXT4 file system. and I really want to changes to BTRFS, that has check and error correction.
I did not do this the easy way,, but it did turn out to be a way with zero downtime.
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@feieralarm
@feieralarm 5 жыл бұрын
15:33 Look at that lovely old Chieftec tower! :D
@MyPlayHouse
@MyPlayHouse 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Mike Bruschke Thank You very much! My very old Novel Netware server.. :-) Thank you for watching! :-)
@Dextermorga
@Dextermorga 4 жыл бұрын
I was thinking the same
@MVVblog
@MVVblog 5 жыл бұрын
Very usefull video as always ;-)
@MyPlayHouse
@MyPlayHouse 5 жыл бұрын
Hi MVVblog Thank You very much! glad you liked the video :-) as always!! Thank you for watching! :-)
@bertnijhof5413
@bertnijhof5413 5 жыл бұрын
Time you abandoned EXT4 or NTFS :) :) I have done that on all my PCs. I use BTRFS on my Pentium 4 with two 40 GB IDE disks. The disk are striped and LZO compressed. That ancient PC boots now in 45 seconds and there is not enough time anymore to fetch a coffee, like I did in the past. Every advantage has its own disadvantage (Johan Cruyff). I use ZFS on my laptop and main desktop, mainly to stop the slow corruption of my music files, due to frequent power fails here in the Caribbean. Those new file system have many advantages like: - protection against corruption - automatic repair of corrupt files, if there is a redundant copy. - support of different compression methods, like LZ4, GZIP1 to 9, etc. - Combination of RAID methodologies, possible with different disks sizes and types, by using partitions. - Striped disks (Raid-0), where the content of certain datasets (folders) are written twice to different disks. - 3 level storage hierarchy with memory cache, SSD cache and the HDDs. The whole hierarchy uses the same compression. - Instantaneous snapshots. - In backups only the modified records will be send to the backup system or storage pool.
@MyPlayHouse
@MyPlayHouse 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Bert Nijhof Thank You very much! glad you liked the video :-) Thank you for watching! :-)
@mihumono
@mihumono 5 жыл бұрын
I feel your pain. Recenly i was moving from mycloudmirror to unraid over gigabit connection. I'm glad it was only 2TB.
@MyPlayHouse
@MyPlayHouse 5 жыл бұрын
Hi MIHU Thank You very much! I am all good now :-) Thank you for watching! :-)
@auntiecarol
@auntiecarol 5 жыл бұрын
looking forward to the video next month when you move from BTRFS to ZFS /s
@MyPlayHouse
@MyPlayHouse 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Auntie Carol Thank You very much! but I guess that did not happen :-) Thank you for watching! :-)
@azlansharom7011
@azlansharom7011 5 жыл бұрын
So glad to have come across your video, as I'm about to attempt something similar! Question: I see you have 2 10TB and 2 4TB drives in your NAS. I thought all drives need to be the same size in an array or otherwise it would be limited in capacity to the smallest size drives. Clearly in your case the storage pool reflected the sum of all the 4 drives. Would you know if I had 3 4TB and 1 8TB drives installed would I get 3.6TB x 4 of capacity or 3.6TB x 3 + the "8TB" as storage pool capacity? Thanks!
@MyPlayHouse
@MyPlayHouse 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Azlan Sharom Thank You very much! I am using SHR,, do a search on my channel and I have a video explaining that. Thank you for watching! :-)
@azlansharom7011
@azlansharom7011 5 жыл бұрын
@@MyPlayHouse you had a situation where even after moving all folders across you still had some 'hidden storage usage' to deal with. Could you help describe what you did exactly to manage that? I'm left with 2.1TB in a 7.2TB volume after having moved everything across to a new volume! Thanks.
@Dextermorga
@Dextermorga 3 жыл бұрын
@@azlansharom7011 do not be lazy a do your research 🙄
@azlansharom7011
@azlansharom7011 3 жыл бұрын
🤣 thanks for coming to the game a year later. Matter closed a long time ago. God bless.
@stephenoreilly6824
@stephenoreilly6824 5 жыл бұрын
Btrfs on Synology is Stable. I have 8 in production without a day’s trouble. 😀
@MyPlayHouse
@MyPlayHouse 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Stephen O'Reilly Thank You very much! I have also run it sinces I got the DS1815+ and that part has not cost any issues. Thank you for watching! :-)
@RomanShein1978
@RomanShein1978 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, but the claim about bit-rot protection is incorrect: 1. Multiple device btrfs is not stable still. It nuked by data once, although that happened back in 2014. 2. BTRFS layered on top of any sort of hardware/software RAID cannot protect against bit-rot at all. Although the one may enjoy the benefits of the FS extra functionality (multiple file systems, snapshot etc.).
@Runehorn
@Runehorn 5 жыл бұрын
I hope brtfs works out well for you, and I hope you do some videos on brtfs in the future, im interested in it's benefits, as my Synology box is ext4 because I didn't know much about what I was doing at the time. Also If you watch paint dry under an super powerful microscope, it is actually interesting to watch.
@MyPlayHouse
@MyPlayHouse 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Runehorn Thank You very much! glad you liked the video :-) Thank you for watching! :-)
@leexgx
@leexgx 2 жыл бұрын
Did this enable checksumming when you moved the folders if it didn't there wasn't much point in moving to ext4 to btrfs
@jxsl13
@jxsl13 5 жыл бұрын
Haven't seen the video yet, but in a few minutes :D
@MyPlayHouse
@MyPlayHouse 5 жыл бұрын
Hi jxsl13 Thank You very much! glad you liked the video :-) or hope! Thank you for watching! :-)
@coolfrost6
@coolfrost6 5 жыл бұрын
yea i had the same challenges, when moved form my old 1010+ to my 918+, i initially just swapped over the old drives, but wanted btrfs so i could play around with the virtual machine function which is only supported in btrfs. Ended up using some external drives, it was a chore :S
@MyPlayHouse
@MyPlayHouse 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Frost Thank You very much! glad you liked the video :-) Thank you for watching! :-)
@Mr.E_Days
@Mr.E_Days 5 жыл бұрын
For me with a ds412+ model, I try to change from raid1 to shr to get more space in one volume (you already are in shr). I don't remember all what I did (backup, delete volume1, try increase volume2, fail+some errors!, reboot, no system!) The synology operating system was stored in volume1, and I lost it, it was a headache to get it work again without loosing data, have you rebooted the synology to discover it? Yesterday I remount some of those disk manually (where retired to new disk, after the system recovery and some DSM updates) and I see a lot of hidden/system folders that the synology file station doesn't show.
@MyPlayHouse
@MyPlayHouse 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Mr. E ! Yes the safe way is to copy data out and make the change,, and copy back in :-/ glad you liked the video :-) Thank you for watching! :-)
@zx8401ztv
@zx8401ztv 5 жыл бұрын
Does your server system use compression on the files or do you save them already compressed?
@MyPlayHouse
@MyPlayHouse 5 жыл бұрын
Hi zx8401ztv Thank You very much! video files,, they can't be compressed much.. Thank you for watching! :-)
@Seegalgalguntijak
@Seegalgalguntijak 5 жыл бұрын
How reliable is btrfs? I'm still running ext4 on all my PCs, laptop, home server subnotebook and all that stuff, because I'm kind of scared of using filesystems I don't know, since I did lose data once or twice in the past through such a migration. So, is btrfs already at a production stage? What are the filesystemtools that you have available with btrfs? Does it even make sense for a normal desktop or laptop to do the switch from ext4? The only filesystem switch I was rather comfortable with was the step from ext3 to ext4, but that was many years ago.
@MyPlayHouse
@MyPlayHouse 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Seegal Galguntijak I like you way of thinking! Stable and secure operation,, before fancy new,, my motto as well,, and then when it does not matter we can "play"test new stuff. I installed it on my Synology DS1815+ back in 2016,, and had not had any issues,, at all! the NAS box dies,, you might have seen that,, the drives was moved over in to a new one,, no problems. Install it on something noncritical and give it time :-) Thank you for watching! :-)
@life-longpatriot8258
@life-longpatriot8258 5 жыл бұрын
Great video! I noticed at 09:40 when you built the MPH-backup file, you did not select "enable data checksum for advanced data integrity." This is an important feature of BTRFS when using the "data scrubbing" feature (unless that folder is used for storing video surveillance recordings or hosting databases or virtual machines. I'm not sure what you are using that folder for). Thanks for sharing!
@MyPlayHouse
@MyPlayHouse 5 жыл бұрын
Hi mark durstewitz Thank You very much! I probably should have,, But I did also delete that share again in the end. so maybe it was not worth it. Thank you for watching! :-)
@life-longpatriot8258
@life-longpatriot8258 5 жыл бұрын
I realize that you deleted that folder later on, but do the folders that you transferred from the EXT-4 volume now have that data integrity option enabled? I enjoy your work with the Synology NAS, as I'm always looking for ways to improve my knowledge of the capabilities of DSM 6.2. I have two DS1815+ units, both having two expansion chassis each. My primary NAS has only 10TB hard drives installed, but the other has a mix of older 3TB, 4TB and 10TB drives. That NAS is powered up only ocassionally, and I use Sharesync to keep both NAS units identical, and each unit has an external USB drive for scheduled backups. Data integrity is of primary importance.
@MyPlayHouse
@MyPlayHouse 5 жыл бұрын
Hi mark durstewitz Thank You very much! you are 100% right,, that "enable data checksum for advanced data integrity." should have been enabled from the start,,, It can not be enabled,, I have to make new shares and move data,, that was stupid as F* ,,, of ME. Thank you for watching! :-)
@life-longpatriot8258
@life-longpatriot8258 5 жыл бұрын
Oh, I didn't realize you couldn't enable it later. I guess you can make a new folder with that option enabled, and then once you've migrated the data, you could rename the folder to the original name. Lesson learned!
@srenfalkenberg8622
@srenfalkenberg8622 5 жыл бұрын
Lån
@fusedglass01
@fusedglass01 3 жыл бұрын
I just tired something Similar and I wasn't given a choice between ext4 and btrfs on a 8 bay DS1817. I also could not find something like mkfs.btrfs when I used ssh. Any tips?
@MyPlayHouse
@MyPlayHouse 3 жыл бұрын
I do believe you have to reinstall to change the file system.
@dashtesla
@dashtesla 5 жыл бұрын
You should also consider in the future adding a tape drive LTO 5 or newer for the extra archive specially video files that you won't access for a long time it's more cost effective and you can keep the tapes offsite in case of major disaster.
@MyPlayHouse
@MyPlayHouse 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Dash Tesla Thank You very much! Thank you for watching! :-)
@beedslolkuntus2070
@beedslolkuntus2070 5 жыл бұрын
Is there any format that can support over 500TB+ As far as I know ext4 can do 500TB Can any do a whole PB?
@MyPlayHouse
@MyPlayHouse 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Cio Dokop Thank You very much! I have not run in to that "bottleneck" yet. Thank you for watching! :-)
@beedslolkuntus2070
@beedslolkuntus2070 5 жыл бұрын
My PlayHouse oh thanks
@peterfixit7221
@peterfixit7221 5 жыл бұрын
20:00 i just started using iscsi, im using it to mount a "physical" vitrual disk in a windows virtual machine for unifi video to use, the iscsi lun gets stored on the main volume, theres no way to tell it where to store it and ive found it in the file system but it just errors out when I try to cd to it. far too advanced for me I will stick to cifs/smb for normal sharing
@MyPlayHouse
@MyPlayHouse 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Peterfixit Thank You very much! I will be setting up iSCSI on my NAS here at some point,, for shared storages between my hosts. Thank you for watching! :-)
@peterfixit7221
@peterfixit7221 5 жыл бұрын
@@MyPlayHouse I kind of like it. It just works and Windows sees it as a local drive. Only problem I have is the initiator crashes at every step but after closing and reopening it just works weird. Anyway good luck
@victorshane4134
@victorshane4134 5 жыл бұрын
Ext4 going to be safe enough. If it's not the safest to use. Just avoid ntfs and exfat, I have lot of trouble with them.
@MyPlayHouse
@MyPlayHouse 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Victor Shane Thank You very much! glad you liked the video :-) Thank you for watching! :-)
@LeeZhiWei8219
@LeeZhiWei8219 5 жыл бұрын
Just asking.is synology nases using Linux because ext4 is mostly used for linux
@douro20
@douro20 5 жыл бұрын
Yes. Synology has been using Linux for a long time.
@MyPlayHouse
@MyPlayHouse 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Zhi Wei Lee Yes :-) glad you liked the video :-) Thank you for watching! :-)
@Thanos_T8
@Thanos_T8 5 жыл бұрын
👍👍👍👍👍👍
@MyPlayHouse
@MyPlayHouse 4 жыл бұрын
Thanx
@philsbbs
@philsbbs 5 жыл бұрын
23:11 bottom right of the screen shows folders total.
@MyPlayHouse
@MyPlayHouse 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Philip Saunders Thank You very much! Thank you for watching! :-)
@tdevosodense
@tdevosodense 5 жыл бұрын
You dont need to reserve any space for iSCSI ☺ just use all the diskspace
@MyPlayHouse
@MyPlayHouse 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Thomas de Vos Thank You very much! but now I have the option to make a volume just for iscsi,, and maybe SSD cache boost that,,, if I want,, I have kept my options open.. Thank you for watching! :-)
@mdd1963
@mdd1963 5 жыл бұрын
I thought I read that RAID 5 and RAID6 was considered unreliable for BTRFS.....(We see that Redhat has abandoned BTRFS for XFS)
@MyPlayHouse
@MyPlayHouse 5 жыл бұрын
Hi mdd1963 Thank You very much! glad you liked the video :-) Thank you for watching! :-)
@CrystalNetwork
@CrystalNetwork 5 жыл бұрын
synology uses mdadm for the raid and only btrfs file system part (not btrfs raid5/6) so no danger here :)
@salat
@salat 5 жыл бұрын
@EEvil Corp: Isn't it a bit shameful for btrfs that RAID still doesn't work as well as e.g. on ZFS? Also: Marten didn't enable 'data checksum' at 9:38?
@CrystalNetwork
@CrystalNetwork 5 жыл бұрын
@@salat yeah i guess so. but honestly why bother using a raid combined with a filesystem when mdadm is a really solid choice (with regard to btrfs/ext4). don't get me wrong i love ZFS haha
@salat
@salat 5 жыл бұрын
@EEvil Corp It's best when the FS knows everything about the devices used - like ZFS only syncs used blocks - mdadm RAID just stupidly copies every block, even when the fs doesn't use any of it. It's really a pita with big drives as resyncs take days..
@pierrebeauregard5369
@pierrebeauregard5369 5 жыл бұрын
Wouldnt it have been beter to use those 10gb nic instead of slow usb3.0
@MyPlayHouse
@MyPlayHouse 5 жыл бұрын
Hi pierre Beauregard Thank You very much! NO,,, USB 3.0, which can handle up to 5gbps (640MBps) is about ½ the speed of a 10Gbit connection. In both cases, the one 4TB spinning drive,, would be the bottleneck. (and it would take me a long time to setup the machine with the drive and a 10GBit connection). Thank you for watching! :-)
@salat
@salat 5 жыл бұрын
9:38 Didn't you want to enable 'data checksum'?
@MyPlayHouse
@MyPlayHouse 5 жыл бұрын
Hi salat Thank You very much! and I did not,, I know that sucked!! Thank you for watching! :-)
@DaveBoxBG
@DaveBoxBG 5 жыл бұрын
I have the impression that btrfs is till beta. Maybe ZFS would be better?
@stonent
@stonent 5 жыл бұрын
No ZFS on Synology.
@MyPlayHouse
@MyPlayHouse 5 жыл бұрын
Hi jawbreaker Thank You very much! I did put ZFS on my Lenovo x3650 M5,, I hope it's as stable and safe as JAVA, witch is also made by Sun Microsystems/Oracle :-) Thank you for watching! :-)
@twinssword
@twinssword 5 жыл бұрын
@@MyPlayHouse haha, lucky for you Morton zfs has been forked and is now zfs on linux ( zol). Think about freenas or installing it yourself on a distro you like.
@dashtesla
@dashtesla 5 жыл бұрын
BTRFS is a good filesystem (native to debian), just not as mature as ZFS yet but the more companies that implement the better. Still watching the video but make sure you have scrub jobs on schedule at a time you don't use at all/as much.
@MyPlayHouse
@MyPlayHouse 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Dash Tesla Thank You very much! glad you liked the video :-) Thank you for watching! :-)
@ppanzza
@ppanzza 5 жыл бұрын
in my experience, some features of btrfs are very buggy. btrfs seems to be unstable. be careful, my friend.
@MyPlayHouse
@MyPlayHouse 5 жыл бұрын
Hi 한가혁 Thank You very much! I have been running it on my Synology DS1815+ sinces well 2016 I think,, it has not done anything weird. Thank you for watching! :-)
@CrystalNetwork
@CrystalNetwork 5 жыл бұрын
synology does not use btrfs raid. mdadm raid with btrfs so no dangers here :)
@deinemuddaisdoof
@deinemuddaisdoof 5 жыл бұрын
@@CrystalNetwork very true and very important bit of info, more here: www.synology.com/en-us/knowledgebase/DSM/tutorial/Storage/What_was_the_RAID_implementation_for_Btrfs_File_System_on_SynologyNAS
@Niklas983
@Niklas983 5 жыл бұрын
I have noticed that you call the Barracuda disks "Baccuda" in all of your videos. Why? 😊
@MyPlayHouse
@MyPlayHouse 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Niklas Olofsson Thank You very much! I just do not know any better. Thank you for watching! :-)
@Niklas983
@Niklas983 5 жыл бұрын
@@MyPlayHouse heh, ok. I like your content. Keep it up, thanks!
@Narwaro
@Narwaro 5 жыл бұрын
Meh. Btrfs is probably the future but people keep complaining that it does only work with limitations and is a pain to use, it just isnt ready yet. It certainly is nice that it is open and everyone can test it, but I certainly wouldnt bet on it.
@MyPlayHouse
@MyPlayHouse 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Narwaro Well things like that needs years of trust.. Thank you for watching! :-)
@mindeunix
@mindeunix 5 жыл бұрын
Etx4 is not old, last updated 3 days ago.
@MyPlayHouse
@MyPlayHouse 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Mindaugas N. Okay,,, it has been doing me a great job. But when switching to new hardware,,, you might want to update. I did. Thank you for watching! :-)
@feieralarm
@feieralarm 5 жыл бұрын
It is old, just not outdated.
@ralphups7782
@ralphups7782 5 жыл бұрын
Bit miner maybe.😗?
@MyPlayHouse
@MyPlayHouse 4 жыл бұрын
Hi ralph ups Thank You very much! glad you liked the video :-) Thank you for watching! :-)
@LunaTheFoxgirl
@LunaTheFoxgirl 5 жыл бұрын
Be careful with BTRFS, I used to use BTRFS on my boot drive, after 2 reboots the FS would be corrupted. EXT4 is still the best option imho. By the way, BTRFS is pronounced "Butter FS"
@feieralarm
@feieralarm 5 жыл бұрын
Apparently Synology is using their own spin of btrfs, which is said to be more reliable.
@MyPlayHouse
@MyPlayHouse 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Clipsey Thank You very much! glad you liked the video :-) Thank you for watching! :-)
@CrystalNetwork
@CrystalNetwork 5 жыл бұрын
@@feieralarm not really. just mdadm as a raid and btrfs as a FS (not brtrfs raid 5/6/ bullshit). apart from that just normal btrfs :)
@rkalinov
@rkalinov 5 жыл бұрын
First! :)
@MyPlayHouse
@MyPlayHouse 5 жыл бұрын
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Hi Brian Froeber Thank You very much! You are showing KZfaq that audiences on my videos are activ,, it does actually help :-) Thank you for watching! :-)
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