Lol that’s a brilliant anecdote.

@@whoshotashleybabbitt4924 You mean analogy

Two kids in a trench-coat of squad support weapons?

Actually the Austrians ended up straigh out copying the Villar Perosa with the Sturmpistole M.1918 in 9X23mm Steyr.

I was trying to articulate my feelings for this little cutie pie and you sir ripped the words from heart. Salut

Right? It's just S M O L........

Yes it does, the first gun I'd call cute.

Omg this lol You read my mind

@@bobhill3941 kolibri is probsbly the cutest pistol ive seen

Looks like one of Tippman's scaled down reproduction sorts of guns.

until i saw this video i never even considered them to exist, but here we are...

It would have been good for converting Barbie's Jeep into a Technical

@@sharonrigs7999 Ha! Can't have that! General Barbie already had her Malibu Dream Fortress and her Fast Attack Pink Corvette. With Sgt. Ken leading her force of teddy bears, nekkid baby dolls and Raggedy Ann and Andy SOCOM Team, the last thing my Real American Heroes needed was to face a barrage of .32 cal. artillery fire. I had enough trouble keeping them equipped and up to strength when half of them had lost their weapons during the Assault on Dog House Hill. Lost a lot of good men that day... Pop found 'em with the lawnmower later, though. Faced a demotion and stockade time over that debacle. Last channel I'd expect to have a conversation about Barbie and G.I. Joe in the comment section. Just proves how popular Ian is, and how diverse the 2A community can be. Thanks for playing along, our comments are gonna confuse the hell out of some people!

Can't forget having terminator fighting darth vader on top of a moutain (which was simply a pile of clothes)

@@thecommunistloli1042 Hey man, He Man lost an arm during the Battle Of Laundry Mountain, you show some respect.

@@ianfinrir8724 yeah nothing will cure the ptsd of thomas the tank engine modified bomber ships bombing the zones close to the mountain... The star wars clone trooper hasn't been the same since the day he saw a bomb take the life of lego man and losing an arm in the process

Even better when you say to command, we need one of them and they're simply like "OK!" I guess the punishment is being made to reload 30 Frommer mags

People seems to like to point out the limitations of the Villar Perosa, forgetting that, as long as it had no competition (so until 1918) it was simply the best thing around.

@@neutronalchemist3241 This is true, but also people don't actually appreciate how effective the Villar Perosa was during the First World War. The fact of the matter is that very little credible research has been done outside of Italy into the combat record of the Villar Perosa, and most modern observers tend to simply dismiss it as impractical on first glance and make unsubstantiated judgements about it. The MP 18 gets all the credit, but the Villar Perosa was far more widely tested in combat and had a greater impact on infantry tactics at the time. The MP 18 was barely used and there are very few accounts of its use in combat.

@@jameslawrence2446 also, as Ian said, its a lot of firepower for the time and you can fit it in a tiny space. A couple guys with these in a tight alpine pass would be at least somewhat effective i would imagine.

Don't forget hallucinogenic drugs have been around for a while!

Thank you

The Swiss made a really goofy aerial observers gun with the same general concept. The flieger doppelpistole

@@EyePatchGuy88 "We want 10,000 Villar Perosas." "But sir, we've acquired 10,000 Villar Perosas." "What do you mean?" "We've routed the Italians at Caporetto and they left at least 10,000. I think." "What do you mean 'I think?'" "We're still counting them."

@@EyePatchGuy88 They captured about 2,200 Italian Villar Perosas at Caporetto (on top of the guns they had already captured prior), so nowhere near 10,000. However this was still enough to arm the Sturmbataillons and therefore there wasn't a huge rush to make more Sturmpistoles, which were encountering many production difficulties and had proved to be unreliable in combat. Issuing captured Villar Perosas was the more economical option. The Italians themselves made about 15,000 Villar Perosas in total, but the records seem to indicate that no more than about 7,000 were actually in service at any given time.

sturmpistole , hmm that what warhammer officers would use

I think this was made in hungary

Yes, this was made in Hungary

Villar Perosa f.i.a.t. made🇮🇹🥂👍

@@csgaming8101 It was called Austria-Hungary back then for a reason. ;-D

I wouldn't be so sure of the second. There is no traditional trigger and it is full auto only. It does skip the growing pains for designing a new gun and uses already existing tooling, though. Also it is easier to replace a pistol if one malfunctions than doing that to the whole gun assembly. So the idea has a lot of merit. It was probably a worse performing gun under trial conditions, tho.

Yes I concur with @willyvereb the second point is not applicable.

The 1907 Roth Steyr is almost as interesting.

" Wait... is that two pistols?" "yep" "its upside down?" "yeap" This is how I imgaine the conversation will go lol

I mean it makes sense

In close-in trench raiding it'd be horrific. With a guy on either side loading you can fire short spurts at fleeting targets. A great close defence weapon, if expensive for what it does. Tactically it might be sited on a reverse and not firing forward so it could sweep the front of nearby trenches.

Maybe it was a case of being on the business end and not having to contend with the problems of such a weapon.

i mean, it could be devastating on a modern battlefield. Having two subguns is a lot of firepower

@@jmjedi923 that's the point though. It wasn't "two SMGs", it was "two SMGs used on a mount either on position or as aircraft weapon". By the time of WWII we see rifle caliber MGs being deemed insufficient. But in WWI a quick firing _stationary_ gun with *pistol ammo* was called devastating. Meaning that for a soldier there wasn't really much difference what to be hit with ie reports were done by soldiers. Later on that angle was lost, concerns and fears of simple soldier didn't matter. It was all about that calculated design efficiency of overmatching capabilities of your opponent to quickly overwhelm them. Despite the fact that even nowadays soldiers DON'T want to get his even with pistol ammo;)

Guess that for people on the wrong side of the barrels, even a Villar Perosa could be perceived as "devastating". It was a time of bolt rifles and big, clumsy, fixed machine guns - a 'portable' full automatic thing that followed troops was witchcraft.

wasn't 9mm glisenti the super low pressure weak 9mm parabellum copy? and also the ammo they ran in the frommers and by extension these was higher pressure than 32acp in US.

Actually the Austrians ended up straigh out copying the Villar Perosa with the Sturmpistole M.1918 in 9X23mm Steyr.

Mind, the thing about mountain warfare is that there are two ranges you fight at: extremely close and extremely long. You are either shooting at a guy well under a hundred meters or you are taking shots at someone several hundreds of meters away, because of the way slopes, rocks, and angles work when moving on mountain sides. Basically, the issue is that if your enemy is entrenched on a mountainside, you more or less have to be right on top of them to get an angle of fire with small arms, making pistol-caliber weapons like submachineguns and variations of machinepistol more practical than a rifle. To get angles of fire at greater ranges, you really have to be far away, often on another mountain, and at those ranges, you are better off with mounted weapons like machineguns or small artillery that can effectively engage at 1,000+ meters. Rare is the time you have a nice clean shoot at 400 meters on a mountain side, the range the rifles were optimized for at the time. So...with that in mind, these little machinepistols on mounts are a reasonably good way to hose-down any unfortunate Italians who manage to get within 25 meters of your Habsburgian position by moving among the rocks. The Italians pop up to rush that last 25 meters, they meet 50 rounds of .32 ACP before they've gotten more than 3 meters. At 25 meters, 50 rounds of .32 ACP is plenty lethal enough!

@@genericpersonx333 *habsburger

Kudos for that Ian! Also it took a while for me to realize what F.E.G is (which means Fegyver És Gépgyár - it can be translated something like Weapon And Machineryfactory)

It's kind of misleading since you're naturally looking for the trigger and trigger guard. Without it they just look like 2 barrels with a magazine sticking upwards

@@BcFuTw9jt There is no way it would be the same. The barrels are different lengths from this to the carbine. They just put that one on because they had then sitting around when they were making it.

It is crazy. A lot of us that watch know guns and history, but not like Ian. He finds stuff all the time that makes you say. " What the heck is that, and where did he find it? " The channel has been around for a real long time too. Amazing.

"Just when I thought I was out, Ian pulled me back in"

I mean, those italian mountain troops were pretty goddamn terrifying,any firepower you can get is good.

.32 acp was perfectly fine against fabric uniforms at the time, even against rudimentary armor you could shower them in fragmented bullet spalling

It was my first machine gun love.

FÉG on the other hand... well.

Budapeshtt?

@@tudorapo na ja... 😁

@@kettilkroh3987 yes, it's a hungarian word,

​@@attilatoth7571 Hungarian is such a badass language.

Double gun go brrrrrrrrrrr

Because you need more Dakka

I mean I can kinda see the theory behind it. Machineguns were still trying to find a place in military doctrine so a very very light, handy mounted machine gun could be a thing.

As said in the video, it impresed the Austro Hungarians and since they were fighting in the worst place a war can be fought in, aka the top of mountians where everything is frozen solid, a small and yet deadly machinegun like this was thought to be a good idea

@@engineermerasmus2810 Squad automatic weapon... An adorable one.

And like most Italian engineering...fckin useless...

They also captured a lot of VP during the battle of Caporetto, maybe this project was scrapped because they had plenty and resources were better used for something else

@@paciughissimo There were a lot of ME TOO projects by the Austro-Hungarians and Italians --the Italians proposed manufacture of the Kuk 3.7 cm M15 , whether they produced it as a production run or just as trial samples I don't know only that samples of both the Italian 3.7 cm and the kuK VP still exist in collections. By the turn of 1918 the Austro-Hungarians couldnn't produce enough boots for their troops never mind embark on large scale production of anything.

Cheapest ammo you could find and awesome history behind it, who wouldn't love having them?

I could be wrong but it looks like the barrel is now fixed and the bolt is just a straight blow back. There is no wear on the barrel where it would reciprocate into the frame.

@@finnagin_the_ninja Yeah, I noticed that too. When he cocks the gun on the tripod at 11:25 you can see that the barrel doesn't move back.

It seems some European .32 ACP is loaded considerably hotter (probably near the max pressure spec) than the stuff you see loaded in the US, compare velocities. I suspect the American loaders are afraid of blowing the slide off some pot metal Saturday night special and load accordingly.

@@Broken_Yugo That might be why my Ortgies and Mauser 1914 do not eject properly.

*Menehune?

Yes, i wish this was a friday drop!

Probably missing a retainer chain.

They are also easy to replace though. And being non essential nobody cares.

BF1 has the standalone Frommer Stop automatic.