That's why solo is also an option!

Been an issues since dnd was made too

I'm so glad he doesn't do that any more. It killed a little piece of me every time.

Triggered!!! 😂😂

I was going to suggest he do this for the smorgasbord component drop once he's done with his copy. It would be insane.

Ha

If he did a component drop, it would change to a review of the table that could absorb that!

isaac pretty much confirmed in a recent interview he is considering that option

100%, I've yet to start Gloomhaven, but my young son and I are playing JOTL and LOVE the ability to set up on a whim and get a quick scenario completed on a school night. I rarely have 3-4 hours at a time.

I agree. The biggest thing for me really is setup and tear down with the big box. Way easier to flip out the scenario book and 10-15 components needed per level.

Hopefully it's called Whiskers of the Sea Lion, or Flippers of the Penguin... Ahem - I may not be a dad, but I'm allowed to practice, aren't I?!!!

​@@marcelcwertetschka when

im very glad i tried it on steam before i setup the box i bought. i wasnt a fan, so i was able to sell my box at nearly full price. not a fan of the gloomhaven series at all, i hate deckbuilders

How do you go about the stickers that you have to put into the rule book as well as the scenario chart? I haven´t found a good solution to put them back in without going trough major hoops? Hence I have yet to start properly into the game.

Lol, right after I posted, Tom mentioned it a bit.

KDM was easy. Alot of broken mechanics to cheese the game

It is that'd why stamina potions give u cards back

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Sleeping Gods is so fun haha

Mine arrived yesterday, so they are still coming through.

I would highly suggest the Xhaven app. Extremely reduces time between scenarios.

@Patrick White Meh

They sometimes have a second review for the same game though not recently-

There is an official house rule where you treat Crits as +2 and Misses as -2

@@Trockenmatt Yeah, I noticed that in the digital version. I'll need to give it a try sometime to see how it feels.

You can equip an iron helmet and treat x2 as a +0. Only two in the shop tho. Buy a bless at the sanctuary and your miss prob goes from 50% to 25% per reshuffle.

Use. The. App. Problem solved

@nos ad aquilonem Think they’re talking about the digital game version which does solve the problems of tear down and setup because it’s the entire Gloomhaven experience in digital format for a fraction of the cost and is fully online capable. Owned Gloomhaven and put a dozen hours into it but fell off because it’s such a slog, the digital game fixed everything for me

i just hope there will be something like JoTL but for frosthaven.

@Ilqr D. if you need to use a campaign tracking app (I assume you're talking about) to solve problems with the boardgame, then it has serious usability issues a la Through The Ages. @Chuck Zodl ​If the answer is "play the video game version", well now you've put a boardgame into a realm where it simply cant compete: modern (even classic) video game rpgs are lightyears ahead in basically every regard. We play boardgame campaign for the tactility and shared experience, not really for the depth of mechanics, story, or world building

A good insert/organizer will significantly improve setup-time. Obvious downsides are additional (high) costs and needing to assemble it. I use an insert for Gloomhaven and every single session I found it crucial and was really happy with it. Just my two cents 😊

I just played through 5 scenarios. I can assure you they got even more confusing. It's clear that Isaac is playing with us: the results of an event are usually the opposite of what you think. We've faced an event with a resolution that triggers only if one of you said specific words during the discussion!

@@alifant1944 Eugh that's disappointing. My friends and I just ignore the GH encounters completely because of how frustrating they are... we just added all of the possible reward items into the merchant deck, and unlocked all of the scenarios

Players could really benefit from a dedicated gaming table that you can just leave the game sitting on for a few months while you go through the campaign.

They did announce that they will be creating a scenario map book for both gloomhaven and frosthaven after the success of jaws of the lions scenario book

That’s great to know! I will be waiting with cautious…

Yes, Eric is still with the Dice Tower. (He does "At The Table" with Tom.) They have removed the canned intros and outros though, which is ok for me.

@@Noonycurt lol! Summerer's voice just set's the tone so well tho!

I was kind of glad they stopped with the intro stuff. Kind of felt a bit dated.

I just bought both. I don't own a lot of games though.

It scales both ways, easier and harder.

The video claims that GH was hard. Gloomhaven wasn't woefully difficult (perhaps a few scenarios where slightly overtuned/luck dependent). But it also had classes that could solo 3man setups easily. So wouldn't spend too much energy being concerned with FH difficulty based on Tom Vasel. I do appreciate that designers attempt to have a reasonable challenge as the baseline. If you ask me, then GH was for the most part too easy (in particular at higher levels with better gear available). It started out great though.

@@lassepoulsen7777 If you read the comment in Steam. People complain that the game is too hard, so yeah... I like the difficulty of this game and GH was not too hard, but i like complex games and dice chucker's did not like this game at all because they did lose even at the easiest level...

@@haukionkannel sounds great! Gaming in general needs a return to the times when normal difficulty involved being challenged :)

Yup. Since Gloomhaven is on PC it's the only way I'll consider playing it going forward. Online multiplayer is a plus

Having played both, I much prefer the tabletop version.

@@synnical77 Agreed. There is 0% chance I'll ever own Frosthaven in physcial form. I will buy the pc version day 1 when it come out.

I agree. I've almost completely abandoned video/computer games (including app-dependent board games) MUCH prefering physical versions... but this system is one exception.

Agreed and this would be a lame one. Gloomhaven video game? Hell no.

I just watched his other video (and I own Frosthaven) and he said that it really isn't made to be replayed. I guess you could, but it would be a huge pain. You are putting stickers all over the place and opening things that can't be resealed. It's meant to be played through once, but for a very long time.

@@b.minister I'm guessing they might release removable stickers like they did for Gloomhaven Jaws of the Lion. Having said that, i strongly dislike altering the state of something i own so this is a major con for me. Whatever, every game doesn't have to be for everyone, so maybe this isn't for me. I'll just play something else. Thanks for the info !

lol

I don't think Frosthaven is a game for you if out of this video you thought comparing it to Heat was appropriate.

@@alcovitch Oh I know it's not a game for me but it compares just fine to Heat. They are both race games using cards.

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@@kafka0622 They are NOTHING a like. You have a timer with your diminishing hand size, forcing you to be efficient, but in no way is Frosthaven (or gloomhaven) a race game. Comparing them is absurd.

The app is quite buggy as of now. There have been rules mistakes, and some functionally hasn't been there. The old GH campaign manager was great; it's a shame they couldn't do this one as well.

@@christopherlwilli we use XHaven Assistant (the replacement for Gloomhaven assistant). It works pretty well.

@@iamspamus8784 I'll have to check that one out. Edit: My first comment referred to how I miss the excellent campaign tracker from Esoteric software. The xhaven app is a great scenario assistant, though.

Way longer setup!

It was also in gloomhaven. The cards have circular arrows which means shuffle at end of turn. Monster cards can have same icon

It was always the rule. When you draw either, at the end of that combat phase shuffle the deck back together. The cards have the recycle type icon

He's not teaching the rules, just briefly describing them so you can judge what's going on.

@@Sgrand80 Yes, that was the rule in Gloomhaven. He said: "When you draw both" instead of either which was confusing.

Okay then just read ahead and set up the whole map at once. That's the beauty of cardboard gaming, play it your way!

I agree. I play solo so I just set up the whole thing. I might raise the difficulty one level as I do use the privilege of planning my entry to a room based on the occupants.

have you tried Jaws of the lion? the book you have there makes setup super much more easy and effective. It one of the main reasons why i like it more.

@@Rex1987 Yes, I have, and it's fine. I'll probably buy the digital version on Steam.

As a native Wisconsinite, I feel this. 🥶

Why play a digital boardgame RPG instead of just playing a videogame RPG like Baldurs Gate 3? Or are the card mechanics that appealing?

@KoalaBrownie I enjoy video games, but I haven't tried Baldur gate. I am somewhat picky about my video games though. They have to look incredible and be very open world (Oblivion/Skyrim etc) or be storytelling games for me to like them (though I like some indie artistic games). I don't like MMOs or turn based combat usually at all. I just recently tried Gloomhaven digital because I have had Jaws of the lion for 3 years and never had time/space to learn it and play it, so I used the digital as a way to finally get to play my game. I assume it will be the same with frosthaven (I will not have an hour for set up and tear down till my kids are grown) so, I guess it's a sad replacement for boardgaming time, not really a "video game" time in my mind. 😉

@@searose6192 Oh okay. Yeah I prefer Skryim type games as well but there are a lot of isometric, single player party RPGs that people enjoy. Pillars of Eternity, Tyranny, Wasteland. Pathfinder, etcetera. But if you picked up GH digital to feel like you enjoyed the tabletop game you own, that makes sense.

@KoalaBrownie Thanks for the suggestions. I'll check those out 👍 Maybe by the time we get to Swamphaven I'll be able to play it😀

agree 100 percent. im glad i played it on steam before i dug in my box, so i was able to sell my gloomhaven at full price. Frostgrave is superior to Frosthaven

I don't really get the "cooling on Gloomhaven" part, I see it a lot nowadays. Well, that's the (big) base of the work and then the devs expanded on it. It is the masterpiece that broke all standards and renewed boardgames. It's like saying you've cooled on Mario Kart 64 because Mario Kart on the Switch exists.

@@Mahler1988 I've cooled on it because it's not a masterpiece. It's no Mario Kart 64. It's SNES Mario Kart. It tried a lot of new things and a lot of them really broke ground. But many didn't. Retirement system is awful, the battle goals in Vanilla are bad. And Gloomhaven is just straight up broken. Triangles, Spears, Music Notes, and to a slightly lesser extent Lightning Bolt, Cthulhu, and Diviner break the game immeasurably. While we used to struggle early in GH the later half was one shotting without breaking a sweat. And the story was atrocious. Gloomhaven did a lot right. It also did a lot wrong. Jaws wasn't just an introduction it was also a distillation of the system. And it worked better without all the clunk and jank of Vanilla. Frosthaven is that refinement further and. It may very well be the Mario Kart 64 where you actually get to see the full realization of what they were trying to do with the predecessor

@@Dyskresiac For me "cooling on it" has mostly to do with being tired or fed up with something, not looking back and saying in retrospect "nah, they could have done a better job" while it's clear that creating something new is the greatest effort there is. Refining is easier. Let's put it this way: in the history of boardgames, do you think historians will take Gloomhaven or JotL or even Frosthaven as a landmark?

@@Mahler1988 You can define "cooling" however you want but if you use your own definition, expect that dissonance with other people using it. Cooling means it was once hot and easily in my Top 5, and nowadays I couldn't even bring myself to recommend it to anyone. It's still probably too 50 but it dropped immensely as the campaign went on. Start with JotL into Frosthaven. Skip Vanilla entirely I don't think what historians will say has any relevance in my reverence of a board game. Historians will cite Risk and Catan before Gloomhaven but I loathe both. They're not good. They're boring.

Jaws of the lion was quicker. They could have adopted something like that

THey could have fixed it but instead decided to rip everyone off with a 10$ app.

@@alcovitch There is nothing to fix and the app is great.

The insert is a must. Best accessory I ever bought for a game (the Broken token one for GH)

Knowing this from the original doesn't make it a good thing.

that is if there will be a digtal version of Frosthaven. Currently there isnt any confrimed news about this.

@@Rex1987 And I'd be fine if there isn't since I've already had the GH experience. Plenty of campaign dungeon crawlers and more to come. Though, I doubt Celophair would not do it especially since it can be built off GH digital. I wonder if they are just waiting to work on it until after retail copies are released. Let's see how well this comment ages in 2-3 years.

I like Gloomhaven on Tabletop Simulator (TTS) via Steam best.

@@Rex1987 Yeah... I really doubt that there would be FH computer game. GH computer game has not been very popular. People think that it is too difficult...

A good starting point is Gloomhaven Jaws of the Lion. It is a smaller box that teaches the game over the first few missions. Only 4 starting characters which means you don't worry about retiring either.

Jaws is just the same thing. First Missions ok, then the "harder" missions start, and your Deck starts to be the worst monster to fight...

Gloomhaven is focused primarily on the tactical combat...is an attack 6 but lose the card worth doing on an enemy that has 4 health? If its an archer, almost definitely yes (they always attack), if its an ooze then maybe not since they have 3 (maybe 4) out of 8 cards that are not attacks. Literally everything is situational. Gloomhaven also gets easier as your characters gain xp, gold and perks (especially the bonus perks from having retired characters) since the enemies level slower than your party and they dont scale based on how much gold you have spent on items and enhancements. Jaws of the Lion gets harder towards the end because you dont have as many options to spend gold on (enhancements are not a thing and there are fewer different equipment cards).

You hate to say it? Really?

@@Sinreal yes…. Because I’d love to be able to enjoy this game and it’s mechanics, but simply don’t have the time to due to a career But thanks for your rich comment :)

Why? How is that ruining your enjoyment of anything if BGGs ranking (which has huge issues) is dominated by Haven games?

@@ilqrd.6608 And don't forget, someone with no interest in the game already knows whether you'll like it or not.

If they're that good, why not have them at #1 and #2? The enjoyment of the masses speaks volumes. Time will tell, if they're not your thing, oh well, play something else while we all grin psychoticly while exploring the tundra. 🥶🥶

@@dean7713 Then choose one of them otherwise we have the same Brass/Through the Ages /TI etc issue again

hmm not really. I play a lot of these turn based tactical video games (Tactics ogre,Triangle strategy, FF tactics etc) and in terms of pure gameplay mechanics, Gloomhaven is up there with the best of them and separates its self from the rest with the card play mechanics. Stuff like graphics, storytelling, music etc isn't on the same level, but those are really the icing on the cake for me, gameplay is always king.

@@anab0lic Ah, a fellow srpg afficionado! I get where you're coming from, yet I disagree. I just find Gloom boring, despite my initial enthusiasm towards it. To each his own I say. To everyone who loves Gloom and Frosthaven - play the shit out of them and enjoy :P