pvzh devs got scared that fry would move to bloons card storm so they finally started making an update

This felt like 2 people making balance changes, 1 was drunk and the other was genuinely trying to balance, they looked at fry’s tier list and just looked at f,d,a and s tiers and never heard why they were good/bad.

Puff shroom costing 1 sun should be illegal

SWIMMER CHANGES IS GAME CHANGING, I'M IN FEAR!

28:22 Synchronized Swimmers nerf is so massive that it might single-handedly change the entire meta😭

The year is 2032. PvZ Heroes has collapsed into a state of madness. Every ranked match is between plants and Smash Pets, and Pets always win. The number of homeless Guardian Pacakage users rises exponentially. Budget-Aggro Solar Flare players have united with Grass Knuckles players, taking to the streets in violent protests, constantly being silenced by Teleport-Mechasaurs. Rumors have that an underground faction of 1-Cost Puff Shrooms and Weenie Beanies plan to overthrow the superior Pet deck government.

The janitor is a zombie main fr

My thoughts on some balance changes: -If puff-shroom goes up to 1 cost, it instantly removes its entire purpose. Puff-shroom is supposed to be the iconic 0 cost, but now it’s kinda worthless.

This is the first time puffshroom wasnt free in any plants game 😭

The good, the bad, and the OH MY GOD WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT of PvZ Heroes.

The views and interaction with this video just shows how much people want more content

The puffshroom change is baffling. The only change they should have made is that it should fade away and die at the start of the plants next turn like in PVZ2

Dude, I’m just hyped to final see something change in literal years

Fry is the only person that can get stream sniped even in fucking google docs lmao

I like the part where they buffed Cheesecutter by making Leftovers and Coffee way better

The 4-brain difference between leftovers and monster mash is crazy

"How much do you want the zombies to better than plants?" Devs: yes

Keep in my that all the buffs and nurfs affect reincarnation and leaps too

Never would I expect tf2 and pvz heroes getting noticably updated, not only in the same year, but within the spam of a few months.

Something very interesting is happening to this game, with the recent changes to the app, different pack events, new daily challenges and now possible balancing changes It seems like they are putting a little effort in the game, maybe to see if there is still interest in the game in order to fully continue development (though it could also be one dude in popcap that was a little bored)

As FlowerMan said, these changes probably were not finished and ability or text changes could come, that would explain changes like 1/1 bean counter (like it would get +2+2 per bean maybe). I still wouldn't get some of the changes though, like for example what text would make the 8/8 mechasaue change make sense? Either way though I'm really hyped for the changes.

And Cheese Cutter got an indirect buff. Now if you draw Leftovers as a Gourmet Card, it will cost 0 And you always run Cheese Cutter in a Smash Deck. Imagine the madness of Cat Lady, Cheese Cutter, Flag Zombie, Teacher, Zoologist, Leftovers, Coffee Zombie, even King Zombie, in one freakin' deck. Because theyre all multi-synergetic with each other.

Developers: Makes leftovers 1 cost Monster Mash: Am I a joke to you?

In my opinion most of these balance changes don’t make sense But I hope the game will still be playable for the plants

correction fry - this does not include any potential ability changes becuuse they haven't been found yet , not because there is 0 of them to be honest there could be 0 but either way we don't know yet for all we know they could be buffing bean counter ability wise but nerfing the stats ...hopefuly that is the case

I honestly think they should've asked a few of the pvz heroes streamers to come up with balance changes instead of doing some random as buffs/nerfs.

Wait we got a new pvz heroes patch before GTA 6💀

Conspiracy theory: popcap trying to automate the balance changes using chatgpt so they can fire the janitor

Leftovers becoming literally zombie version of the plant's Storm Front superpower is... something for sure. Hearty is definitely going to dominate after this. Nerfing Photosynthesizer to cost 2 instead of 1 makes a lot of frail answers like forget-me-nuts much harder to use to counter zombie trick spam, and black eyed pea can't handle tricks as well either. As a plant player I'm pretty unhappy that buffs were insignificant, and nerfs were pretty big to a lot of key cards. But at the very least, metas will finally shift around!

one thingy - guardian isn't FULLY dead , because citron amphibius decks exist , and with these buffs do effect quite a lot of those cards so , countertron may fall , but citron may end up holding up the guardian class from being completely useless

Molekale with mushroom grotto transforming all puff shrooms into 2 costs will actually be pretty fun

It seems like most people in the comments are not realizing that these balance changes only show the changes to stats, NOT abilities. Cards like bean counter and puff shroom will likely get ability changes/reworks to make up for their bizarre changes

They should have nerfed synchronized swimmer to a 0 / 0

Someone please tell the devs to buff cattail and red stinger.

Remember, there are also balance changes in the form of text coming, so maybe cards like bean counter will be better when it gets fully changed

Its likely some of the cards also have ability changes that haven't been datamined yet. For example it's possible synchronized swimmer will only copy attack.

The King and Battlecruiser getting 6 health possibly has something to do with Sizzle getting a massive buff

This patch has buffed summoning by a lot. As a control immorticia main, one of the biggest problems is haunted pumpking, and then summoning gets a 1 attack minion and I have to burn another card the next turn. All the 2 health agro cards being nerfed to one health is huge for summmoning and nibble, huge immorticia buff

Blow gun imp getting a 1 health buff, kangaroo getting a buff, and primal wallnut getting a 1 health nerf is the biggest bruh moment I've experienced this entire decade. Like I'm not even exaggaerating.

Leftover is literally lunchbox but better now. I’ve thought about this nerf before this video and thought “ that would just make lunchbox horrible “ but if they made lunchbox 0 cost then I’d be happy. I think that’s a good chabge

Oh man! Look at all these changes! Anyway, I’m gonna go back to playing Wall-Knight heal decks with little to no conceivable difference.

Finally bean counter got nerfed, this card alone is why I can’t go more than level 2 ranked🙏

Cant believe leftovers is rain but for zombies now...

It's weird how they nerfed almost every good plant card, but didn't do the same for zombies

new set coming next trust ( Ive only huffed 3 paint cans today)

I really hope they do more then card changes. the game would blow up again if they added more cards or heroes

They're preparing us for set 5. They worked really hard on it, it took them 5 years to perfect

Wondering if any of these changes would grief puzzle party

I watched RCCH’s video about this and felt so terrible afterwards and didn’t want the patch at all, but then watching fry’s stream made me so much more excited for it! (Also his voice is MUCH less annoying). This patch alongside BCS betas and full game coming out soon means that fry will be making SO MUCH $$$!!! :)

Me who doesn’t play nor watch this game: *hmmm interesting*

The glacta nerf is larger than you think because now they chain react into eachother way easier, now it only takes one dying to kill all of them

im so glad im alive to see my favorite mobile game get a meta change after 5 years😭😭😭

41:20 I know how, instead of being when your opponent draws a card deal 1 damage it should be end of turn deal 1 damage

How will this effect puzzle partys

Fry, what do you think about the disparity between the plant and zombie strengths now? Feels like the strongest plant strategy will likely be amphibious, with heal also maybe being viable (although it was nerfed through cob cannon)

I'm convinced the buffs were by a crazy type zombie main. There are so many nerfs to plants that give them only 1hp. Zmech super and barrel got buffed from these changes for sure.

Dude the synchronised swimmer nerf is so dumb it’s on par with the BFN soldier zpg cooldown reduction from 24 seconds to 23.75 seconds

WELCOME, to the new pvzh era! This is big, and just may revive the game.

Its worth noting that we still could see some ability changes, and also more stst changes since this was just found.

suggestion for kangaroo rider: make it a 4/4 gravestone that goes back into a gravestone when hurt.

29:40 This is hilarious and confirms your theory

They buffed bonus track Buckethead but didn't touch regular Buckethead:(

Someone from PopCap wanted to kill Grass Knuckles

I’m sorry, was Zapricot so meta-defining they had to nerf it?

i dont think a game left to rot for 5 years that gets an update as soon as their biggest content creator moves on is a coincidence.And they killed aggro solar flare.

Hear me out, cryo brain, pogo, mug, zombot stomp, bad moon rising

Love how even in this datamined build, the Triassic set tag is still busted and shows the actual data tag instead of the normal set and rarity like with Galactic cards

Spikeweed sector may suck as a control card, but it's kind of oppressive for tempo. It increases the threshold for chump blocking by a lot and a minion that would die to it usually just prevents you from blocking that lane that turn (outside of encrypt or some hearty cards or another environment) against a class with some of the most busted bulleye cards.

I will say that even if a lot of these changes are… questionable to say the least, it will change the meta enough for new top tier decks to be discovered and finally break us out of the monotony we were craving. Plus, we don’t know any of the ability changes yet, so we can look forward (which is generous) to that!

What I noticed is the decent budget cards got a huge nerf on both sides. Like Flemco and budget Solar flare.

i wish they'd've buffed some of the chaff cards -- peashooter, line dancing zombie, etc

I love the synchronized swimmer nerf so much.

Biggest plot twist of 2024

Really hope they touch Beta-Carrotina too tho, she really needed a buff in terms of superpowers. If i am the person who's coding it, i'd consider making lightning seeds "conjure 2 tricks that cost 3 or less", and making the ultimate summon the minion on the board.

Winrate balance patches 🤢 It's not just that they came back to patch the game (why...?) but if it's really based on winrate that's sad. Let it be known guys, do not do this. Edit: those changes are somehow worse than I expected

Yeah comparing all the reactions from KZfaq, Fry is definitely one of the wisest one

Imagine Cosmoss on turn 1 and then playing 3 hot lavas, and the opponent played something like an Imposter, or Leprechaun imp etc

the fact that this game has a substantial update after so many years is monumental. i literally got so starved for new content that i started modding the game, and now they're actually throwing us a bone

There is a really huge swarm deck buff in Hearty We can use Lost Colosseum or Flag Zombie on 2 and Con Man play on 3 in Z-mech deck with teacher and free leftovers

Fry says Turkey Rider will never be good. But it is a Smash pet. It has the pet synergy and Leftovers is now a great card.

Holy! I can't believe this. I think The last balance change was in 2019.

Must do a Captain Combustible deck around Invasive Species, imagine this scenario: - Coffee Grounds on turn 2. - Invasive Species + Blazing Bark on turn 3 (16 damage on TURN 3!) - Time to Shine on turn 4 for the win. Only REAL answers on turn 4 are Pogo Zombie, Rocket Science, Dolphinado and Backyard Bounce. Anything else trades, is too situational or straight up loses the trade! Also just playing TEMPO on turn 4 after the combo (Repeat Moss, B-Rex, Split Pea, Podfather, Imitator) or CONTROL (Banana Bomb, Berry Blast, Sizzle, Banana Peel) would be INSANE pressure and no doubt, meta defining.

I just wonder will they change certain daily challanges to match these changes?

Hoi, just to leave this here as a discovery one of my brothers made (it isn’t anything too surprising tho): A few weeks ago, my brother was playing a random match against a nightcap, had his planet of the grapes environment, and ran for some reason squirrel herder. When squirrel was revealed, it was able to remove the planet of the grapes environment, which was surprising for me, but made sense

our prayers have finally come true!

buffed the brainy class to the moon lol

51:44 You gotta remember that sizzle exists now

To quote sammichthesammich: "Abracadaver still dies to berry blast. Some things never change"

Puffshroom nerf will completely ruin the card, honestly, even budget players won't have a reason to run it because of shellery and wallnut. Although, some people are saying that text/ability changes aren't shown here, so if it *does* receive some sort of buff via text it better be HUGE otherwise it will go straight from S tier to F. Cob Cannon had a long-awaited and well deserved nerf. Way too strong and its secondary ability just shreds big cards, removing all your tempo. Secret Swimmer's nerf proves that the people in charge of this balance patch have never played the game. Pogo's nerf is useless, it's still OP. Elderberry's nerf is fine, though it'll still be good. Haunted Pumpking doesn't deserve to go underneath four attack due to the fact that it does draw your opponent a card so it needs that high reward factor. 4/1 is balanced. Black Eyed Pea is surprising tbh, the card will most likely be very below average now and I see it struggling to even be included in control decks. Though it'll still work good with onion rings, 4/4 that punishes for a trick. Amphibious cards got buffed insanely. Seriously, try fighting the Final Boss Citron on Zombie missions, that dude's amphibious spam is already annoying enough, now that strategy has the potential to work in multiplayer. 4/4 Navy Bean also dodges wrath. Speaking of wrath.... goodbye wrath, hello Cakesplosion! The fact that Zombology Teacher + Hearty Treat spam didn't get nerfed in any way is disappointing to me, honestly. It's just too good with going viral as well. Although I'm glad they're trying to revive the bad hearty cards. Sizzle's buff is going to make it into the same problem as modern-day Cob Cannon. Way too powerful, especially for its cost. Lava Guava's buff is deserved. Kabloom is now an INSANELY great control class. Hm. Interesting. SEEDLING GOT BUFFED??!! Oh my. HAHAHHAHA, pathetic guardian package users are now going to find alternatives. Tricarratops meta is no more (I hope). Spikeweed might just be the worst plant environment now. Even force field will do more for its cost. Cosmic pea is still sad as usual. Pod father meta?? It survives beam me up and bungee. Mechasaur... is now the best late game card. Seriously. The fact that you can combine it with Gadget Scientist for an OTK is ridiculous, also. Unless they decide to change its text, of course.

woah this video has an end credits scene with leftovers very cool

Hey I was the guy that told you about stompadon triplicating combo. I thought about it for a sec and you could also add warlord to it

Sizzle buff is a big w

That was not on my 2024 bingo...

I just got back from sea and was wondering if I was hallucinating.

Guys it’s impossible for all of the changes to be perfect. Let’s just appreciate that we might actually be able to mess around with new metas again

Mechasaur being top tier would be so fun, I'd love to see rng being meta, also finally guardian package and solar getting nerfed is gonna make the game more fun probably

The hell does nerfing synchronized swimmer by one health do?

Going viral isn't getting nerfed, bruh.. How this thing doesn' t have a win rate big enough to get a nerf. And that sad party ball still cost 5?

The potted powerhouse change is technically a buff to pineclone molekale

Deep inside wishing popcap leaked this on purpose to get fry's reaction so they know what to actually do