Fujitsu boss admits Horizon glitches were known of amid Post Office scandal in Select Committee

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4 ай бұрын

The Director of Fujitsu Services Paul Patterson was in front of the Business and Trade Committee to answer questions about the Horizon scandal. In his opening remarks, he apologised for the scandal and confessed that the company knew about glitches in the Horizon system during the prosecution of sub-postmasters.
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@colinwoods4155
@colinwoods4155 4 ай бұрын
Finally, someone from the wrong side of this debacle showing a little humility
@xbrito3368
@xbrito3368 4 ай бұрын
after spending the last several days with lawyers, PR specialist and impact assessors on how to approach this committee
@redmed10
@redmed10 4 ай бұрын
It had to be forced out of him.
@ajrembo705
@ajrembo705 4 ай бұрын
I wouldn’t call it humility when your backed into the corner with nowhere to go, more cowardess. Don’t forget he was still at Fujitsu at the time, he knew exactly what was going on.
@bigpants6121
@bigpants6121 4 ай бұрын
only pretends. Doesn't fool me.
@franc9111
@franc9111 4 ай бұрын
@@xbrito3368 Yes absolutely right
@bobnunn954
@bobnunn954 4 ай бұрын
Respect, stood up and owned up, complete honesty from him. Members of Parliament watch this and learn it’s not demeaning to apologise.
@saga5924
@saga5924 4 ай бұрын
Ask the families whose lives were destroyed whether he was honest and heroic to apologise now . All concerned should be punished and Put in jail . All of these bas…..ds put profit and bonuses on top priority consciously and deliberately even if it destroyed lives of innocent victims. Please do not sermonise or eulogise to trivialise the issue
@slimetimetv8517
@slimetimetv8517 4 ай бұрын
Why didn't he speak up earlier. Where has he been hiding all these years.what prompted him to own up now.
@user-fv8rn4gi3x
@user-fv8rn4gi3x 4 ай бұрын
So why didn’t he or Fujitsu do so a lot sooner? Zero respect for Fujitsu and post office managers they knew all along.
@priscillaroberts7945
@priscillaroberts7945 4 ай бұрын
Talk is cheap. Go to jail. Go diectly to jail. Do not pass go. Do not collect £200. If a board game can get it right what's wrong with this lot?
@chris-4566
@chris-4566 4 ай бұрын
Of course he’s accepting liability, now, everybody has seen the TV series and there can’t be a sane person in the world who is not on the side of the postmasters? The shame is that it took public outrage to make all the guilty parties admit their part in this travesty.
@markbeards4441
@markbeards4441 4 ай бұрын
I wasn’t expecting him to say all that. It’s open and shut case. Now give the postmasters what they deserve in compensation. From the companies and not the public. Justice for the postmasters.
@testpilotian3188
@testpilotian3188 4 ай бұрын
It’s not just about the money and compensation, people who were behind this and were aware of the “bugs” but said nothing need to do time for what they did.
@mobbydysk
@mobbydysk 4 ай бұрын
They were , post masters ,sentenced as guilty of theft by court, not by Fujitsu or by post office. Yes it is true that the post office forwarded false accusations, and horizon software was faulty,but that was the court of justice who failed the most by not properly investigating these false allegations . So I'm afraid compensations will have to be made of taxpayers cash
@0w784g
@0w784g 4 ай бұрын
Why weren't you expecting him to say that? It's already public knowledge it was widely known it was a flawed system. You read Peter Mandelson's note urging the post office to continue with it despite him knowing it was completely flawed?
@Bubble_squeeky
@Bubble_squeeky 4 ай бұрын
⁠@@mobbydyskPost Office committed perjury i thought?
@marshyman66
@marshyman66 4 ай бұрын
@@testpilotian3188. And from your eminent IT knowledge what were the bugs
@petyrkowalski9887
@petyrkowalski9887 4 ай бұрын
If only our politicians could show such honesty and humility.
@palemale2501
@palemale2501 4 ай бұрын
But they still hid important basic who, when, how why - which implicate their predecessors - look at the list of unanswered info they now have to produce.
@jeffder7143
@jeffder7143 4 ай бұрын
Deny til proven guilty. Whoops i mean innocent
@Bob-ts2tu
@Bob-ts2tu 4 ай бұрын
admitting a crime when caught doesnt lessen what they did, i just hope this greases the wheels of swift justice
@marthas.4456
@marthas.4456 4 ай бұрын
can you see beyond your nose? Or are these comments about the 'humility' of these CEOs paid PR???? He is sorry only because they lost the case and he is backed into the corner. Few years ago he was happy to see sub-postmasters to go into prison convicted by his own lies.
@Bob-ts2tu
@Bob-ts2tu 4 ай бұрын
@@marthas.4456 absolutely
@barrielui
@barrielui 4 ай бұрын
No software is bug free and bug fixing is part of the service Fujitsu was providing for the last 20 years. The scandal is Post Office knew there were bugs, but continued ruining people's lives.
@dougaltolan3017
@dougaltolan3017 4 ай бұрын
There is some conversation to be had about the Fujitsu help desk, and thier "go between" role with the sub-post masters, the software authors, and whatever channel *should* have been in place to Post Office management.
@seandunderdale
@seandunderdale 4 ай бұрын
He did say though they helped the Post Office in their prosecution of sub-postmasters, while knowing their software was compromised.
@Lynnefromlyn
@Lynnefromlyn 4 ай бұрын
They denied remote access was possible. They erased all evidence of the trades union official’s visit to the HQ. And they declared this under oath! They messed with his computer , made it out that he owed thousands and shut him out to his post office - overnight after visited them! This is not just about a glitch! It’s about lies and cover ups! And massive miscarriage of justice m which they contributed to.
@WhichDoctor1
@WhichDoctor1 4 ай бұрын
Fujitsu provided false evidence to courts, claiming that the bugs they knew about didn't exist. Thate evidence helped convict the sub postmasters. If fujitsu had told the courts what they knew to be true at the time, no convictions would have been possible. Sure the post office are the public face of this scandal, but none of it would have been possible without fujitsu's direct support and collusion
@jhamPlays
@jhamPlays 4 ай бұрын
Fujitsut lied about these bugs and were complicit in the cover up that led to convictions
@Dennis_Parker
@Dennis_Parker 4 ай бұрын
I would have been nice if the Post Office investigators were as open, honest and demonstrated the same level of human decency over such an appalling chain of events. Fair play to Fujitsu here.
@beniteztheconman
@beniteztheconman 4 ай бұрын
Are you serious? Really? Brexit voter by any chance?
@susankeating8678
@susankeating8678 4 ай бұрын
@@beniteztheconmanWhat on Earth has Brexit got to do with it?
@marcofava
@marcofava 4 ай бұрын
​@@beniteztheconmanBrexit was not even mentioned here, in any case what the commenter said is true, politicians have been lying about it for decades while this guy who actually stands to lose his job and be scapegoated sat there and told the truth how it was and was the first one to admit that they did fuck up
@beniteztheconman
@beniteztheconman 4 ай бұрын
@@susankeating8678 Gullibility and so easily conned by empty words?
@worker-wf2em
@worker-wf2em 4 ай бұрын
@beniteztheconman what would you have him do? Sit there and lie, deny any culpability? No one is claiming owning up to his mistakes absolves him of responsibility. He still needs to face justice and compensate his victims sure. But an apology and admission of guilt is a simple first step so good on him.
@jjptech
@jjptech 4 ай бұрын
Even for a careless heartless company, the opening first words is “we are sorry” something thar ed davey was unable to even mention.
@therealrobertbirchall
@therealrobertbirchall 4 ай бұрын
He's an ex public school boy. You don't expect humility form them.
@marshyman66
@marshyman66 4 ай бұрын
@@therealrobertbirchall. Pleas tell me the public school he went to.
@ianh1504
@ianh1504 4 ай бұрын
hes saying sorry so people stop calling for him to be imprisoned. Cuz he deserves it, he can be sorry in his cell, im sure plenty of convicts are
@jjptech
@jjptech 4 ай бұрын
@@ianh1504 Yes, I know, it doesn't make him a better person. But yet, he is capable to say it. Ed can't
@cew9837
@cew9837 4 ай бұрын
He wasn't only politician.. but useful for tory press to point the finger of blame to him.and divert away from their own...
@chrissmith7655
@chrissmith7655 4 ай бұрын
Wow! How did he get his job? He appears HONEST!!!!!
@jonquirk329
@jonquirk329 16 күн бұрын
He's had clearance from head office in Japan for sure.
@moodfox6024
@moodfox6024 4 ай бұрын
Fair play. Clear answers. Clearly put.
@timbrown4576
@timbrown4576 4 ай бұрын
...unlike the head of the Post Office.
@neilcrawford8303
@neilcrawford8303 4 ай бұрын
​@@timbrown4576 Definitely. It was the difference between night and day watching Nick Reed and Paul Patterson reply to the committee's questions.
@bigpants6121
@bigpants6121 4 ай бұрын
fair play? You are easily pleased.
@beniteztheconman
@beniteztheconman 4 ай бұрын
Are you serious???? Wow your gullibilty is incredible.
@adamgrimsley2900
@adamgrimsley2900 4 ай бұрын
​@@beniteztheconmanyou have to respect when somone admits faults.
@C22RLD
@C22RLD 4 ай бұрын
Fair play to this bloke, wasnt him back then but he is the face of the company now and has held his hands up. Clear honest answers
@beniteztheconman
@beniteztheconman 4 ай бұрын
He has been with fujitsu for 14 years
@VoidDragon82
@VoidDragon82 4 ай бұрын
THAT is how it is done. Acknowledge you did wrong, and accept that you had a hand in it; now Fujitsu needs to help repair the damage that they helped cause. Imagine seeing this level of honesty from the Post Office; we’d think the sun was rising from the west!
@davidlawrence5091
@davidlawrence5091 4 ай бұрын
I was honestly expecting him to spend the whole meeting saying it wasnt their fault, so this really surprised me. Fair play to him.
@beniteztheconman
@beniteztheconman 4 ай бұрын
You really don't think that a deal was done before this vile creep uttered this meaningless apology? Myra Hindley also said sorry.
@thesource5153
@thesource5153 4 ай бұрын
Those responsible at the time this scandal was happening, both at Fujitsu and The Post Office, need to be held to account and face prosecution.
@Bob-ts2tu
@Bob-ts2tu 4 ай бұрын
absolutely, its a disgrace of the first order, they knowingly ruined innocent and decent peoples lives to save their own face and bolster profits.
@Nick-xc4fy
@Nick-xc4fy 4 ай бұрын
That's kinda whats going on here...
@pault1289
@pault1289 4 ай бұрын
​@@Nick-xc4fythis is a select committee, it's not a court of law, nor the legally enacted enquiry, nor an interview under caution. I doubt these people will pay much of a price, might impact their bonus a bit. The people who were in charge before them back to 1998 need to be investigated both by the enquiry and the Police/CPS.
@kesamek8537
@kesamek8537 4 ай бұрын
Electrocution.
@user-bg9xh9ff9f
@user-bg9xh9ff9f 4 ай бұрын
@@pault1289富士通のせいだけにするな英国、郵便局上層部、裁判官、弁護士の方が責任大きいだろ
@johnhigginson5079
@johnhigginson5079 4 ай бұрын
This is how they start to put things right, honesty with a little compassion and humility. Sadly not what we've seen from some in the Postal Service. Well done that man.
@nforne
@nforne 4 ай бұрын
Agreed, they’re now half way there. The next step is to put their hands in their pockets. It would be lovely if Fujitsu and the post office could do away with the legal formalities and offer all affected an immediate and eyewateringly large payout, no strings attached. It’ll never happen but I can dream.
@SH-cu9rc
@SH-cu9rc 4 ай бұрын
Paul Patterson seems interesting. From this clip he did not dodge any questions and was open. He's either an exception in being honest, or resigned to the fact that there is no where to run.
@Alone47
@Alone47 4 ай бұрын
Or he is just saying stuff and not caring, knowing in the end their lawyers will sort it out for them.
@beniteztheconman
@beniteztheconman 4 ай бұрын
He is just uttering empty words. A deal has been done. He should get 20 years and a £10million fine...alongside all fujitsu bosses involved.
@probro9898
@probro9898 4 ай бұрын
Post Office should have known better than to have believed Fujutsu. They should have brought in independent experts as soon as the discrepancies started increasing.
@CLCVP
@CLCVP 4 ай бұрын
@@beniteztheconmanhow’s that work I doubt he was of relivence in fujitsu during that time
@333HotPink
@333HotPink 4 ай бұрын
He joined the company in 2010 and became Vice President in 2016. He then became CEO of Fujitsu in 2019. (Source: LinkedIn) He wouldn’t have been involved when the scandal was at its peak. Fair play to him for owning up for people before him.
@Braketech9
@Braketech9 4 ай бұрын
Respect to the gentleman telling the truth and saying sorry and taking responsibility. Why can’t many people just do this it saves alot of embarrassment. I hope the families are compensated for the errors.
@philippriestman8516
@philippriestman8516 4 ай бұрын
Because decent people find it almost impossible to thrive in the sewer of politics, corporate greed and the need to protect the politicians who dole out the contracts for all sorts of kickbacks
@Braketech9
@Braketech9 4 ай бұрын
@@philippriestman8516 I totally agree with you
@marthas.4456
@marthas.4456 4 ай бұрын
Gentleman? He was a part of this injustice. Now they have been caught and slowly realizing they can't lie anymore. His apology is similar to the murderer's or robber's apology. Don't be fooled.
@Braketech9
@Braketech9 4 ай бұрын
@@marthas.4456 Exactly correct, I put comments on there to blend in with others. I know exactly that they have no choice but to admit it. And keep hold of the reputation, Behind closed doors they be thinking our words will soft soap them. Sorry but they knew for 20+ years. Apologies won’t cut the damage caused and trauma to the families.
@MichaelEnright-gk6yc
@MichaelEnright-gk6yc 4 ай бұрын
Fujitsu said they had informed the post office. And are willing to pay their share of the compensation His answers were straight up unlike post office investigaters and managers.
@user-mk4ow6qd9m
@user-mk4ow6qd9m 4 ай бұрын
You have to respect this chap for his handling of this, what a terrible position for him to be in. His humility and apology is very welcome. All new software systems of this scale have bugs so I am sure the Post Office knew of them and still wanted to roll it out, and as the Post Office were the clients they would have the power to make that happen. It is shameful that the Government/post Office is trying to make Fujitsu pay when the Government were in charge of everything.
@catinthehat906
@catinthehat906 2 күн бұрын
Fujitsu bought ICL in 1998 just before the Horizon system was rolled out. The faulty Horizon software was produced by the British company ICL who were going down the tubes after the Benefits agency wisely rejected it. Fujitsu were at fault for not operating due diligence and persisting at the PO's insistence with trying to fix Horizon. It seems too much money had been spent by the PO on this project to allow it to fail.
@doraldeddy1836
@doraldeddy1836 4 ай бұрын
Hat off to this Fujitsu man. First time I’ve heard anyone put their hand up and admit guilt, without the caveat of “well we didn’t know this that or tother” as so many politicians have done!
@marthas.4456
@marthas.4456 4 ай бұрын
He admitted their responsibility only because now they have no other options. He knows more lies will not help anymore. They are now backed into corner. Don't be fooled.
@jackking5567
@jackking5567 4 ай бұрын
Interesting how Post Office have been leaning the problem at Fujitsu, despite knowing it was using their faulty software and continuing to prosecute regardless.
@martd1352
@martd1352 4 ай бұрын
Correct!
@endlessglizzys_.0233
@endlessglizzys_.0233 4 ай бұрын
They never admit they are in the wrong that's why😮
@vitalyl1327
@vitalyl1327 4 ай бұрын
@@endlessglizzys_.0233 there's quite a few MBA courses where "never admit you're wrong" is drilled heavily into them. A lot of managers and politicians swear by this mantra.
@nt7519
@nt7519 4 ай бұрын
Kudos to him for being honest and upfront about a problem he presumably had nothing personally to do with. How is it that a representative of a private company is more honest and more forthright than representatives of a government owned corporation?
@finthegeek
@finthegeek 4 ай бұрын
Honest answer, they can go bankrupt from reputational damage
@pauldevenport28320
@pauldevenport28320 4 ай бұрын
To be fair he had no where else to go ,he had to admit it now because we all know about it.
@jerrytracey6602
@jerrytracey6602 4 ай бұрын
How refreshing to hear a company representative own up to their mistakes and relatively freely accept that they bear liability for redress. Fujitsu will obviously seek to hold the Post office as liable as themselves. I have been in the situation where the business were keen to roll out large applications regardless of the fact that testing had discovered errors in the code. They decided that they would rather deal with problems "in the wild", by recompense to users rather than spend more on development costs and debugging.
@slimetimetv8517
@slimetimetv8517 4 ай бұрын
Yes at last but a little late though.cant say sorry to those that died
@broadsworddannyboy1148
@broadsworddannyboy1148 4 ай бұрын
Fijitsu must have crunched numbers before his appearance.... If they haven't... it only demonstrates a further tardiness. You don't turn up in such circumstances without a percentage in mind regarding financial recompense.
@beniteztheconman
@beniteztheconman 4 ай бұрын
Amazed at how many gullible people there are in this country. What is wrong with you?
@melbourneausttours
@melbourneausttours 4 ай бұрын
His only sorry cause they got caught. The pollies are sorry and trying to fix things as its election year.
@goharikjones7387
@goharikjones7387 4 ай бұрын
I personally think first the POST office was responsible they knew all about the bugs, second Fijitsu for backing them.
@marksmale827
@marksmale827 Ай бұрын
What a brave man to be so forthcoming about past misdeeds. All credit to him!
@mohammadcassime416
@mohammadcassime416 4 ай бұрын
The post office executives and mps should learn from this man! This is how you show that you are truly sorry and regret your mistakes. Not continue being in denial and playing the blame game. Shame on the Post Office and our MPs.
@beniteztheconman
@beniteztheconman 4 ай бұрын
Wow your gullibility is truly amazing
@Haberdashery22
@Haberdashery22 4 ай бұрын
I agree with you Benitez, how can people be taken in by this man?
@beniteztheconman
@beniteztheconman 4 ай бұрын
@@Haberdashery22 The english are not the brightest people. They are comfortable being played by their "betters". It is centuries of feudalism... they never question their masters.
@Haberdashery22
@Haberdashery22 4 ай бұрын
@@beniteztheconman I'm English and I'm afraid I have to agree with you! There are some brilliant brains out there - they're just not in politics or at the top of corporate organisations!
@andysedgley
@andysedgley 4 ай бұрын
He's only admitting it because they've been caught out!
@grumpy-dad3701
@grumpy-dad3701 4 ай бұрын
This guy is a breath of fresh air. Very honest. Well done
@beniteztheconman
@beniteztheconman 4 ай бұрын
No
@Bob-ts2tu
@Bob-ts2tu 4 ай бұрын
@@beniteztheconman ffs how many gullible people are taken in by this guy saying 'sorry' & only admitting a truth when caught?. make no mistake if he had a choice and thought he could get away with it (as they did do for decades) he would be staying quiet and still dodging the issues, continuing to not give a shite about the people left in his wake.
@steveleake
@steveleake 4 ай бұрын
I'd just like to know, as a person with only a basic knowledge of accounting, if the system was telling sub-Postmasters they were down on balances, and they were making said balances good by means of their own money, AND ALL THE TIME IT WASN'T SHORT, where in the hell did the money go? There must have been a surplus, so who has it? Added to which they were told that their terminals could not be remotely accessed, and it appears that they could and were, again what was being done? Was that money being shifted out of the system and put somwhere else, otherwise the accounts would not balance. The only thing that I can think of is criminality, and I'm not saying Corporately but more probably individually. IMHO of course!
@davidwalker1793
@davidwalker1793 4 ай бұрын
The post office has it and transferred these differences to their profit and loss account. In simple terms after 3 years they treated these differences as additional profit.
@marshyman66
@marshyman66 4 ай бұрын
Post office P&L and spread over multiple lines and seen as profit I expext
@ceecrb1
@ceecrb1 4 ай бұрын
The post office received it. On paper it showed as profits, so the directors etc all received bonuses for a job well done and for the profits made. So guess where it is now.
@Haberdashery22
@Haberdashery22 4 ай бұрын
Yes! I guess Paula Vennells had a good portion of it. This extra money would have propped up the PO's profits and made top executives look glorious in the eyes of government officials who would award their talented 🤮 work with nominations for a.....CBE ???? 😂😂😂
@stevenhowlett1950
@stevenhowlett1950 4 ай бұрын
It would have shown up in the Post Office profits. They were effectively stealing the postmasters own money
@JulietSierraUK
@JulietSierraUK 4 ай бұрын
Hard not to tell the truth with Jo sat directly behind you.
@VoidDragon82
@VoidDragon82 4 ай бұрын
Damn right!
@nannieg7622
@nannieg7622 4 ай бұрын
Such a lovely lady
@neilcrawford8303
@neilcrawford8303 4 ай бұрын
I think they should rebrand the company name to Fudgshitsu. Great to hear Mr Patterson give what felt like a genuine apology, and accept the companies part in the PO prosecutions. Ultimately though, it's still 90% down to the P.O. Fujitsu provided information regarding Horizon problems from an early stage. It was the PO that chose to ignore or brush it under the carpet and also not share it with the defence teams. It's the PO that ultimately took the sub-pm's to court and pushed for convictions.
@marshyman66
@marshyman66 4 ай бұрын
Ah a master of making clever names. You make us so proud
@xbrito3368
@xbrito3368 4 ай бұрын
Yes he is being transparent - but they always talk of 'The Post-Office' and 'Fujitsu' and fail to mention the names of those who where making the decisions to hide the truth, blame the postmaster, and happily sit by as they were prosecuted, jailed, bankrupt and committing suicide - but said nothing. Those are the people who should be answering for their actions, or failure to act, to this committee
@roxorange6022
@roxorange6022 4 ай бұрын
Yes where are the names?
@vepeu
@vepeu 4 ай бұрын
oddly shocked he admitted fault straight from the get go. good level of standard to keep.
@rnbyido
@rnbyido 4 ай бұрын
It took a TV program to get everyone to hold their hands up!!! The corruption in this world is mind blowing and off the scale
@lloydhopson6894
@lloydhopson6894 4 ай бұрын
You've got to hand it to him. He was no doubt under a massive amount of pressure from his Board and wider shareholders to protect Fujitsu's reputation through damage limitation, and most others would've taken the politicians evasive approach to answering (or rather, not answering) those questions. I think he's been about as transparent as he can be at this point without committing to figures on behalf of Fujitsu. Unfortunately, this all comes far too late.
@donna25871
@donna25871 4 ай бұрын
My mum worked for a bank in Australia and one of her roles was to test any new programs to make sure they were working correctly before going online. The systems weren’t provided by Fujitsu.
@carolynellis387
@carolynellis387 4 ай бұрын
At last, a person who answers the questions unlike the others gone before him.
@AngelTiel
@AngelTiel 4 ай бұрын
Respect to him for his honesty.
@beniteztheconman
@beniteztheconman 4 ай бұрын
You must be a brexit voter?
@nigelpower1509
@nigelpower1509 4 ай бұрын
@@beniteztheconmanEveryone who voted in the Referendum was a Brexit voter, whether remain or leave, so what do you mean, Mr Clever Clogs?
@beniteztheconman
@beniteztheconman 4 ай бұрын
@@nigelpower1509 ???
@beniteztheconman
@beniteztheconman 4 ай бұрын
@@nigelpower1509 100% of Nigels voted brexit.
@CatholicSatan
@CatholicSatan 4 ай бұрын
In this hearing, it was pointed out that of the 8 Horizon developers at Fujitsu, 2/3rds of them were between "not much good" and "useless". Almost the whole set of people in the Post Office and Fujitsu, from lowly admins on the help desk, through to auditors, IT people and managers, and from lawyers to upper management and executives were (with one or two lonely exceptions shouting into the void), a bunch of ignorant, incurious and incompetent jobsworths eager to cover their backsides and never mind the consequences. But meanwhile, the taxpayer, under the stewardship of Rishi Sunak, gives around £100 million a year to the Post Office and _£billions_ to Fujitsu in government contracts. Post Office executives and management pay themselves huge bonuses from the public teat. Fujitsu executives donate large sums to the Tory party and get nice little sinecures of £80k per year for _two days work a week._ It's all a metaphor for "modern" Britain...
@marisaJ1
@marisaJ1 4 ай бұрын
People died because of their lies. How can he seriously say they're ethical after supporting the prosecution of innocent people? People should go to prison.
@Nigelfarij
@Nigelfarij 4 ай бұрын
I work for a software company. The software we deliver to our clients allows them to make staff redundant due to the efficiencies we provide. Are we unethical for supporting redundancies? What if the staff who are made redundant commit suicide - are we culpable? Ultimately, Fujitsu are POL's client and are answerable to them. Fujitsu made POL aware the software had bugs. The buck stops with the Post Office.
@AngelTiel
@AngelTiel 4 ай бұрын
I don't think he was against that idea to be honest. Fujitsu appear to have been complicit but they weren't the main protagonist-Fujitsu didn't tell the sub-postmastrers they were the only ones having problems and it wasn't their decision to prosecute.
@jhamPlays
@jhamPlays 4 ай бұрын
@@Nigelfarij If your software had a bug that led to someone being sacked and losing their livelihood and perhaps life, then yes you could be cuplable.
@portlyoldman
@portlyoldman 4 ай бұрын
In fairness, he did say they are NOW an ethical company and that he was appalled by the way Fujitsu behaved back then.
@caitthecat
@caitthecat 4 ай бұрын
​@@NigelfarijWith a name like that, are we supposed to believe you're ethical?
@GingerJoberton
@GingerJoberton 4 ай бұрын
The guy apologised quite well here, whatever happens
@MrWrongOpinion1994
@MrWrongOpinion1994 4 ай бұрын
Quite shocked at people praising this apology, people have lost their lives in a literal sense and also through financial ruin. Only once everything was stacked against them have they apologised, I’ll give some credit once they have actually contributed financially to the compensation and the complicit parties are punished
@jims9685
@jims9685 4 ай бұрын
They aren't going to bend over contractually and throw their client under the bus until they are legally obliged to. Don't be silly.
@beniteztheconman
@beniteztheconman 4 ай бұрын
It just shows how brexit happened. There are millions of gullible fools in Britain today.
@simonn4077
@simonn4077 4 ай бұрын
Just PR....just business - how to get the best outcome for Fujitsu...
@andysedgley
@andysedgley 4 ай бұрын
They are only sorry that they got caught out. Now it's damage limitation for their shareholders.
@thisweekmetaverse
@thisweekmetaverse 4 ай бұрын
The path to redress starts with admitting under oath its your fault and that is what they are doing. Does it make up for the deaths, prison time and hurt to reputations? No, of course not, but its step 1 to potmasters getting compensation. And, theyll want to drag the P.O into it with them as the investigators, especially Stephen Bradshaw showed not a shred of decency or remorse in their evidence.
@dixonatkinson5381
@dixonatkinson5381 4 ай бұрын
How unusual to see an executive and/or a public servant take responsibility for their company's/organisation's failure. Paul Paterson is clearly a brave, decent and honourable person. Compare him to to Paula Vennells and the rest of the Post Office Senior management. A real breath of fresh air.
@beniteztheconman
@beniteztheconman 4 ай бұрын
Wow gullible much?
@ItsMe-kj2xb
@ItsMe-kj2xb 4 ай бұрын
Wow. Still amazes me that it takes a TV drama to really bring this to the attention of all. What was Parliament doing?
@fritzhenning1
@fritzhenning1 4 ай бұрын
Being lobbied by Fujitsu CEO and government adviser who happens to be the husband of tory education minister?
@janetmalcolm6191
@janetmalcolm6191 4 ай бұрын
Absolutely nothing for how many years? 😮
@cornwallcrafter8410
@cornwallcrafter8410 4 ай бұрын
Quietly making sure no one gears about it?
@DK-dq8bu
@DK-dq8bu 4 ай бұрын
If Fujitsu knew and STILL allowed P/O to prosecute, prosecute Fujitsu.
@Batteredhoop
@Batteredhoop 4 ай бұрын
This guy should be PM,humble,honest and apologetic
@hovishill2779
@hovishill2779 4 ай бұрын
A crime and injustice has been committed and ALL the people at the TOP need to be held accountable as soon as possible with those found to have broken rules or the law jailed !
@Alex-xk7my
@Alex-xk7my 4 ай бұрын
Fair play for owning up. But if it weren’t for a tv show we’d never be here. Disgraceful that it took so long for a proper investigation and justice.
@SAbre5311
@SAbre5311 4 ай бұрын
The inquiry, the one that counts, has been a thing since 2020. The hearings been ongoing in earnest since 2022. But well done on having your emotions so well manipulated by ITV timing their drama so well to profit off the Public
@evelynwoolston7
@evelynwoolston7 4 ай бұрын
Im disappointed that the Chair shut down the Fujitsu rep when he said that they told the Post Office about the bugs in Horizon. I would have liked to have known more about this
@jeffhaack1325
@jeffhaack1325 4 ай бұрын
What a great spokesperson, takes responsibility, talks facts, demeanour is appropriate, has humility.
@miketaylor1783
@miketaylor1783 4 ай бұрын
Compensation isnt just about money for the wrongly accused, it's about getting back every penny of every bonus and filling prison cells with those guilty at the P/O, Jujitsu and the Government.
@colinhardstaff3557
@colinhardstaff3557 4 ай бұрын
This company knew from the outset there was a issue with Horizon, but was explicit in prosecuting the individual. Humility is clear in his voice and accepting responsibility for the company. Now let's see how deep their pockets are.
@BigHenFor
@BigHenFor 4 ай бұрын
Fujitsu didn't prosecute anyone. The Post Office management knew, and pursued the Sub-Post masters, who as franchisees, had to reimburse any errors according to their contract, and the counter staff as well.
@OneForTheNorth
@OneForTheNorth 4 ай бұрын
Honesty, humility and no “whataboutery” This will help families move towards justice
@beniteztheconman
@beniteztheconman 4 ай бұрын
Prison
@johnharrison9317
@johnharrison9317 4 ай бұрын
Kudos. This man fronted up. Well done to him. Clear, concise, humility and taking responsibility.
@Dude-etiquette
@Dude-etiquette 4 ай бұрын
If Fujitsu boss knew then surely the post office leaders knew and they did nothing until a tv series came out. Police should be ashamed that tv show did better than what they can do. Post leaders should all resign and not be given board or committee jobs, some should go to jail, and ministers involved should also be held accountable
@marshyman66
@marshyman66 4 ай бұрын
Reporting to a customer that bugs exist and the certain log entries for cash takings should be scrutinised... which is what was said ... what else would you want Fujitsu to do
@peterb2272
@peterb2272 4 ай бұрын
Now I want to hear about their full cooperation in releasing all records so we can see who exactly were keeping what they knew from the courts. And I want to hear about charges being laid on them.
@marshyman66
@marshyman66 4 ай бұрын
Ah. So you are making judgements that they are guilty without seeing the records that you want released. Clever
@peterb2272
@peterb2272 4 ай бұрын
@@marshyman66You are misunderstanding my point. I hope not deliberately. I am assuming someone is guilty because it has already been admitted in court that exculpatory records were withheld from the courts, which is a crime. A bit like finding a murdered body and making a judgement that someone is guilty of the crime of murder. Hopefully the records show who that was.
@markjames4951
@markjames4951 4 ай бұрын
He is absolutely correct in his statement "ALONGSIDE EVERYONE ELSE" this was a mis-carriage of Justice , over a failed software system ( software fails every day and always has done how was this allowed to be presented to a Jury as not so ) , in normal British courts of law ( only who pays the prosecution is private every thing else is normal British Law ) with British Judges and Barristers and Solicitors, with a TUC member organisation representing the sub post masters ( it has since left but was in at the time in 2014 almost when the scandal is over ), with nearly every MP in the House having a PO affected in their area keeping quiet, and the Government of the Day ( all countries of the UK ) all parties keeping quiet about it. The Mr Bates issue probably started in 2000 in Warwickshire with probably a Tory MP and a Labour Government. With currently about 900 so far affected ( probably more ) and about 650 MPS just how did the MPs Judges Barristers, Solicitors, TUC, as well as the Post Office and Fujitsu not know and are trying to blame everyone else.
@martidee3305
@martidee3305 4 ай бұрын
The more I know about this horror with the Post Office and their handling of it just left me scared at how this could happen.Fujitsu opening statement was a good start.
@haniballhayes
@haniballhayes 4 ай бұрын
The bells are the Division bells signalling 8 mins until MP's have to vote on something. They are all across the Westminster Estate, including in some of the pubs! 🤓
@bobjrdj
@bobjrdj 4 ай бұрын
I am surprised but pleased that at least one person has admitted Fujitsu had errors and the post office actually were fully aware but went ahead with their shameful persecution of the postmasters. We need to see the post office come clean and accept they were devastatingly wrong and all those overpaid executives should face jail. This is a wrong that apologies cannot ever put right. People committed suicide and were jailed and emotionally scarred for life through all this corruption.
@franc9111
@franc9111 4 ай бұрын
This one is playing the 'honesty' card, firstly because his PR team have told him that this has now become a vital damage limitation exercise and secondly if Fujitsu carried on the way the PO have done, they are keenly aware that their commercial future is compromised. That said, they still have got very close friends in high places - ie in this government, who are keeping them in business in the UK. The fact that it has now been revealed that Fujitsu Japan threatened Tony, while knowing full well at the time that their system was totally unreliable is damning. I would also like to remind anyone attempting to let Fujitsu off the hook that any IT company providing a system as important as this one has an obligation to accompany the client in its day to day operation. The 'helpline' they set up was more than useless and they knew it, just as much as the PO did. Neither Fujitsu nor the PO have any excuse.
@petersmith5811
@petersmith5811 4 ай бұрын
Hats off to this chap for being honest and straightforward as opposed to being evasive and deceitful!
@petercumiskey2746
@petercumiskey2746 4 ай бұрын
Take Fujitsu illegal profits back ,and allow them no more govt. contracts,then lock all their people involved up.
@evidence7343
@evidence7343 4 ай бұрын
don't believe, one of the males of their team sexually assaulted me, it's a cancerous company and anyone still associates, you should stay well clear
@petercumiskey2746
@petercumiskey2746 4 ай бұрын
No distraction thanks, they are involved up to their necks in this conspiracy.@@scotteverett5932
@Thesilverrat
@Thesilverrat 4 ай бұрын
The TAX payer will foot the bill, the corporations will get off completely and the post office management will walk away with after being hit with a wet lettuce leaf. It's the British way.
@oo0Spyder0oo
@oo0Spyder0oo 4 ай бұрын
Only if you complain here and do nothing else, yes.
@user-il3nn1vl4w
@user-il3nn1vl4w 4 ай бұрын
Nice to see someone who has been briefed to fess up to their part in the aiding and abetting the PO prosecutions. Well done for your honesty Mr Patterson. I would be very happy to work for Mr Patterson after seeing him not side step the questions he was given. I am incredulous that those who conduct the interviews seem to be deaf when it comes to questions that have already been answered with honesty.
@stephenphillip5656
@stephenphillip5656 4 ай бұрын
A refreshing dose of honesty & very welcome too in this debacle. We'll see if actions follow words after the statutory enquiry reports.
@allanthorpe7139
@allanthorpe7139 4 ай бұрын
Absolutely outrageous and criminal negligence too
@pauloliver1842
@pauloliver1842 4 ай бұрын
at least he owns up...... unlike the man who investigated them he owned up to fuk all
@secretagentbloke
@secretagentbloke 4 ай бұрын
Well done for your honesty. Now get out your chequebook.
@aderynzajicova7230
@aderynzajicova7230 4 ай бұрын
Good man! No politics, no prevarication. So, so refreshing😊
@LIONHEARTED20
@LIONHEARTED20 4 ай бұрын
Amazes me how these CRIMINALS just like apologising and think we the public are just supposed to say apology accepted and move on ????!!!!!!!! €$#¥ THAT 🤬
@marshyman66
@marshyman66 4 ай бұрын
How is he a criminal
@beniteztheconman
@beniteztheconman 4 ай бұрын
@@marshyman66 ???
@marshyman66
@marshyman66 4 ай бұрын
@@beniteztheconman Is ther a question here or have you a data input issue. A know bug I expect
@Selena-ff5er
@Selena-ff5er 4 ай бұрын
Wow that was Damming from Fujitsu but at least he sounded truthful more than you can for the Post Office liars and schemers
@deanwalker38
@deanwalker38 4 ай бұрын
Notice how the parties now being caught out lying are apologising. Your apologies mean fuck all, to the dead and jailed.
@johnclarke-vs9qe
@johnclarke-vs9qe Ай бұрын
A level of honesty in this which has been almost non-existent with most from the Post Office. Jujitsu should contribute to the compensation.
@AW-xj4un
@AW-xj4un 4 ай бұрын
Had to laugh out loud when this muppet describes how his employer knowingly collaborated in the wrongful persecution and prosecution of innocent people, then claim that the company is ethical.
@dougaltolan3017
@dougaltolan3017 4 ай бұрын
"was", "is" I guess time is not your strong point.
@vernonrabbetts
@vernonrabbetts 4 ай бұрын
And he said that although they were ethical, they had not lived that value. He's good at this.
@AW-xj4un
@AW-xj4un 4 ай бұрын
@@dougaltolan3017 Is - Present tense / Was - Past tense. By his own admission, they were guilty of complicities and he almost used the word culpable. They have not yet made provision for financial restitution, so past, present or future tense, the brand of Fujitsu cannot claim to be ethical. At least, not until justice is done and they have been seen to have put things right.
@dougaltolan3017
@dougaltolan3017 4 ай бұрын
@@AW-xj4un Only when the inquiry is finished will the total liability be known, and what proportion of that is Fujitsu's. How would you make provision for an as yet unknown amount? It's a bit irresponsible to over or underestimate it. So why not wait and find out. Meanwhile cherish this extremely rare ocvurencecof someone in that seat not prevarication, obfuscating, evading or even downright lying in response to such questioning. Imagine if ANY of our current politicians (of all parties) were in that situation. Spin dosent quite cover it.
@Knapps62
@Knapps62 4 ай бұрын
Isn't it amazing when company directors always apologise when they 've been found that they were in the wrong after years of saying that they haven't done anything wrong.
@marshyman66
@marshyman66 4 ай бұрын
What did Fujitsu do wrong apart from providing the information about cash transactions from computer logs. If someone presses an enter key multiple times when one should be enough, whose fault is that
@RitchieCollins
@RitchieCollins 4 ай бұрын
I think that ITV should be given a lot of credit for bringing this travesty of (in)justice to light and be given a CBE.
@shedman123
@shedman123 4 ай бұрын
At least the man has the courage to tell the truth. If only the rest of them would do the same, these poor postmasters could get a proper apology and compensation for their loss and distress
@markhayward7400
@markhayward7400 4 ай бұрын
I believe Fujitsu should be banned from tendering for any public sector contract in the UK ever again and any existing contracts held by them should be terminated as soon as it is possible to do so.
@johncunningham1029
@johncunningham1029 4 ай бұрын
didn’t Blair know about this but didn’t want to upset the Japanese?
@benwilson6145
@benwilson6145 4 ай бұрын
A typical Tory, don't look at the last 14 years look at some one else. Maybe listen to Mr Patterson!
@ianstanley2607
@ianstanley2607 4 ай бұрын
​@@benwilson6145 typical labour... erm don't hold us accountable for our part .. only the evil tories can ever do wrong
@orraman5427
@orraman5427 4 ай бұрын
Send not to know for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for thee, Mr Patterson.
@user-ww9ms5sz4o
@user-ww9ms5sz4o 4 ай бұрын
How refreshing to hear the CEO of Fujitsu to accept their errors and responsibility, I wish our politicians could be so honest.
@Wolfman57
@Wolfman57 4 ай бұрын
it's about time someone other than sub postmasters went to prison !!!
@m341ehw
@m341ehw 4 ай бұрын
Here comes the bus and Fujitsu has just placed the post office... Angela van den Bogerd and Paula Vennells under it. At last someone is telling the truth!!
@LeornianCyng
@LeornianCyng 4 ай бұрын
This select committee should have happened years ago like Ian Hislop said. I said this for a very long time in a previous life and I stick by it today (I know because I did it for a couple of decades mainly on the front line but I did help design systems on occasion), the people designing the software / app / service / website should work on the front line for at least a month before putting pen to paper. It should be a mandatory requirement. It should also be mandatory that during development and testing, all staff working on the front line be given the chance to test prototypes and provide feedback as part of User Research and Testing. It can easily be done on via a simple weblink or apps such as Invision, Figma, Zeplin and even TestFlight.
@Ashmarsden
@Ashmarsden 4 ай бұрын
Refreshingly honest and apologetic. Wow. Watch how it's done PO.
@notquiteoverthehill9576
@notquiteoverthehill9576 4 ай бұрын
I am glad that Fujitsu admit fault & will pay compensation. Please do not let that mean that the PO managers employees lawyers judges civil servants politicians etc get off the hook. They must pay in law for their activity & inactivity incompetence in allowing this to happen for so long. Why so few whistle blower once it became known convictions were unsafe. Obvious they retired with good pensions, new jobs & hoped their part would be forgotten. Lawyers even still trying to delay hide & shred their part in this & deny justice. Politicians who were inactive jumping on the band wagons, equaly culpable. Not forgotten Not forgiven
@tommogun3
@tommogun3 4 ай бұрын
All involved or ignored this should be imprisoned.........simple ! This is criminal !
@Steventrafford
@Steventrafford 4 ай бұрын
Great answers and accepted responsibility. If he said anything but it would undermine public confidence and lose more credibility. Smart man. Is doing the right thing for public and attempting to minimise public brand damage.
@mr.robinson1982
@mr.robinson1982 4 ай бұрын
He knew that they were "probably" innocent but prosecuted them anyways. Somebody's who is "guilty" needs to go to prison.
@slots1407
@slots1407 4 ай бұрын
Impressed with this gent - comes across as genuinely remorseful and accepting of his company's egregious role in the scandal.
@cgln8760
@cgln8760 4 ай бұрын
The MP pushing at an open door still can't help showboating with his questions. The guy was trying to hide nothing, and answered every question fully. Amazing show of belated outrage.
@mihakunamatataful
@mihakunamatataful 4 ай бұрын
More integrity in this fella than the entire government
@tonywalters5396
@tonywalters5396 4 ай бұрын
That’s great ethical leadership. At last an individual who stands up and is accountable.
@MrTelboy1962
@MrTelboy1962 4 ай бұрын
For a moment there I guess he thought he had been saved by the bell!
@clivelangman8696
@clivelangman8696 4 ай бұрын
Well credit where due ..showing that honesty (and integrity) are always the best approach in a witness box..and the humility as well did not go amiss.
@rvp589
@rvp589 4 ай бұрын
Thanyou at last for forthright answers to questions... Unequivocal... unlike our snake in the grass politicians and civil servant's who try to wriggle a way out of answering direct questions... he could even go one step further... by giving interim payments to all the people affected... pending what will inevitably be a long drawn out enquiry. These victims need to be able to rebuild and put there lives back together.. now.... not some indeterminate time in future once the slow wheel of justice finally comes to a halt.
@mattbianco2433
@mattbianco2433 4 ай бұрын
Christ!!! a man in a bad situation with balls like King Kong, i was not expecting that
@Froggie24546
@Froggie24546 4 ай бұрын
As for the PO investigators who bullied the Postmasters into a conviction, they must be jailed for perjury and miscarriage of justice .
@Tyronepowerful
@Tyronepowerful 4 ай бұрын
This man is a breath of fresh air. Well done 🙌🙌🙌
@cwwiss1
@cwwiss1 4 ай бұрын
By saying that Fujitsu are not the same company now as then is an admission that they were dishonest if the current board is honest and therefore complicit and liable for substantial compensation.
@marcusc274
@marcusc274 4 ай бұрын
Full respect to you sir, you took that right on the chin, Top man
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@ataxpayer723 Ай бұрын
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