Absolutely this. I kind of tend to do more similar runs in a row just so I dont have to change my arcana

I rly want a deselect all button

@jhon1406 The Final *Vow Of the Unseen* will Disable All Your Arcana.... If that's what you mean 👀

That would be awesome!

Yeah that would be really helpful

Huh good to know

Yeah I noticed this myself, but forgot to report! o7

I like how everybody found out about this Trick at more less the Same time .... Now it's Spreading like Wild Fire. 😝

I had no idea!

Yeah, that's kind of what I've been doing with the axe. It's very easy to slow everything down while charging the spin, and then, when an enemy is close, you have an attack ready, and then you can repeat it. It's pretty fun.

Hopefully starting the cast of both games! As Melinoe’s idols she looks up to

​@jhon1406 Both games' cast will be included I'm sure: Furies is obviously Meg and her sisters, Wayward Son has to be Zag, the Queen could be Persephone OR Hera, etc.

Update: based on flavor text, this is confirmed. All but a handful have a definite character connection from either of the games or general mythology.

Then for sorceress, maybe speed up charge time, but also enemy movement? A bit of a trade off for better combat

Wayward Son - If you have over 70% health, you take 30% less damage. Otherwise, you take 30% more damage. Huntress - If you have 100% Magick, your omegas deal +50% damage. Omegas also cost +25% Magick. Death - Your omegas deal +20% more damage, but you have a 10% chance to critically miss any omega, dealing no damage.

The potential for using reverse arcana can be like the mirror of night's dual options; like death defiance and stubborn defiance

@@thebiolibrary5572 these ideas are awesome, but I think death’s punishment shouldn’t add misses, but reduce the size of the cast.

I was just about to type this exact thing. "Reverse Arcana" feels like such an obvious expansion to the system since not using that would feel like they're leaving half the actual inspiration of the system off the table.

tbh if they implemented a loadout system, I'd want to have it extend to keepsakes + weapons. For example, running artemis keepsake + judgement arcana build + aspect of pan daggers vs a cast build w/ aspect of charon requires an entirely different setup.

@PrismariLaura That's a good point, but weapons and keepsakes are also just one thing each. I feel like I'd prefer to have arcana loadouts separate from aspects and keepsakes. I wouldn't want to manually add/edit each aspect's loadout independently.

Oh I hadn't thought about it in that way

I've been debating that. I've just been grinding the surface for Charon cars because the gold on the surface is crazy.

Ooh yeah different loadouts would be nice. It definitely gets tedious manually adjusting them.

good intel, thank you ps1 hagrid

I agree, I had a similar interaction (where you become shadow with different abilities, I had the flames weapon so it was an improvement) with the rare "your shadow attacks gain your attack boon (which was freeze) and I lost to second phase chronos due to me being greedy at the end. My main attack, with an hammer, dealt one big omega hit instead of a lot of small ones and it costed like 35 mana in the end of the run, with other boons, so I had the hex ready in 1/2 omega attacks basically

I have used it a bit, but I guess I use Omegas often enough to not worry about it. I think the regen needs to be faster than just straight mana regeneration. Perhaps if it was a multiplier like omegas charge as if they used 50% / 75% / 100% more would make it far more useful. I like the hexes, but it also hurts that most hexes don't work / are not a good idea against Chronos.

@@chaosburger307 the One that changes your moveset for a few seconds,the leap one and the heal are all good. The stop time is the most useless there for obvious reasons

​@@LittleKey93PS1 Hagrid caught me so Fuggen off guard 😂😂😂😂

Thats also possible with the normal dash with the axe, you just have to hold the attack button and tap the dash at the same time, wont work if you release the attack button before dashing

You don't need *The Swift Runner* for that and Enabling it gives you fewer I-Frames so you'll just Wind Less Safe anyway. 👀

There are 22 major arcana in tarot, not 25. Only a few cards are named the same as tarot cards, and I don’t think the others are riffs on other tarot cards, except that they follow a similar naming scheme. We have Death, Lovers, Moon, Strength, and Judgement. I guess Queen could be a riff on Empress, but all the other correspondences I could think of felt like a stretch. What does feel intentional, though, is that a lot of them seem to reference characters in the games. In fact, almost all of them have a character that appears in Hades 1 or 2. The ones I’m unsure about is Messenger or Swift Runner (both seem to be Hermes, I don’t know who else), Unseen (too vague, no idea who specifically), Eternity (Chronos is probably the Titan, and I think Chaos is Origination) and Champions (could be Asterius and his boytoy).

@@felipevasconcelos6736 You're absolutely right that there is 22 Major Arcana in tarot, I got mixed up there. I did say *many* of the cards are riffs or same names, not all, and remember that there are many different versions of tarot sets. Court de Gébelin's set uses Queen instead of Empress, and Creation instead of Judgement. Another set uses Night and Day (regular and reversed) instead of the Empress. So if you look across common historical sets and variances of Major Arcana names there, there are a lot more similarities. I don't think it's much of a stretch to say that "The Sorceress" is a reasonable riff on "The Magician," for instance. I believe The Seer is a reference to the Oracle of Delphi, Pythia, who was a High Priestess of Apollo in myth, so that's also pretty reasonable to me. There's more, but you get the idea. For who the cards represent, some are directly talking about people or groups, and others more on concepts (like "Divinity" isn't a *specific* character, but it's obviously a common theme). If you go into the altar, there's "flavor text" at the bottom of each of the card descriptions that fleshes out what they're referencing quite a bit. Of the ones you mentioned: - The Messenger: "With incomparable swiftness can he travel from the highest peaks to the lowest depths." Dead ringer for Hermes, spot on there. - The Swift Runner: "Those who attempted to confront the greatest of the Greeks merely met his spear." Achilles, though an interesting choice for his card. - The Unseen: "Upon their ancient oath, in shadow, they serve; and to shadow, they return." The Unseen is the group that Hecate leads. In the book of shadows there are a bunch of characters in the "The Unseen" tab, including Mel, Nemesis, and Odysseus. Unclear *exactly* how large the group is, but it's definitely referring to the group. - Eternity: "The inevitable cannot be prevented, though perhaps can be forestalled." Seems about Time to me, so whether it's Chronos *directly* or not, it's definitely his bag. - The Titan: "He stole from gods the gift of fire, for mortals; thus he suffered, but grew strong." This is Prometheus, the Titan that stole fire from Mount Olympus to give to mortals in Greek Myth. I suspect that he'll be a boss come full release. - Origination: "From the infinite void emerged all that exists, and back to that void it all may yet return." Similar to Eternity, it's at least about Chaos's domain, if not them directly, so I'd agree there. - The Champions: "Once-mortal foes, they found each other once again in death, and were exalted in Elysium." Definitely Asterius and his boytoy (to borrow a phrase lol) The Titan and The Seer are particularly interesting to me. Prometheus and the Oracle of Delphi are figures in Greek Myth, but, unlike the characters referenced on the other cards, we haven't seen any other reference to them in the games (that I can remember). I suspect we'll be meeting them by the time we get full release. Prometheus probably as a boss/enemy on the surface track. The extent to which the Arcana reference and pay homage to tarot will all also probably be a lot more clear once the full artwork is in. I highly doubt they're going to leave them just numbered 1-25.

@@ryanrodgers3099 I didn’t notice the flavor text, that definitely changes things! The Titan being Prometheus is definitely interesting, I don’t know which side he’d support. It looks like neither side is particularly concerned with the humans caught in the crossfire, so he might be on neither side, perhaps an NPC on the next zone.

I don’t thin The Seer is the Oracle of Delphi. The flavor text specifies she’s blind, which points to Tiresias, the blind oracle who was transformed into a woman for seven years. Maybe in this version she’s actually trans, and doesn’t turn back into a man. I also think Divinity is specifically about Dionysus, because of the flavor text about earning godhood.

@@felipevasconcelos6736 I'm guessing the Swift Runner is Achilles: the description calls him "the greatest of the Greeks" (so not a God) and mentions his spear. Achilles was the mightiest of the Greeks in the Trojan War and was famous for using a spear, so that lines up.

Just use hecate keepsake ? XD

The thing is that once you get a decent gain boon, it becomes redundant, 4 magick per second isn't a ton compared to Will from Chaos or hearth gain or ionic gain with a decent rarity. There's also just the fact that not every weapon is using it's omega moves a lot on every build, and some omega move builds are still fairly magick efficient, such as axe spin builds. That said, I still think it has a place, such as if you're struggling to keep up with the timer in the early game, especially on a magick hungry weapon like the torches

Its a trap, there is so many boons from gods that can fix your mana issues that it invalidates the card and it costs 5 which is a lot to waste. Its basically -5 arcana points just so your early game is slightly better when u get 1 mana boon later and its useless.

I was a fan but Unseen at first, but once you realize any decent mana gain boons and it's kinda obsolete. Born Gain for example pretty much gives you infinite mana at the moment, and even if you don't have it there are plenty other options like Hestia and Apollo. Obviously if it's free it's nice to have, but 5 grasp is A LOT of opportunity cost that would be better spent somewhere else.

There's a 1/3 Chance of not getting *Eternity* when doing a *Judgement* Run.... And sadly it did happen to me a Couple Times . Beat Chronos Anyway because having 23 Cards Active is Surprisingly Potent. 👀

They could add a row at the top and a column on the right though which wouldn't affect seer. Also they could always shuffle the placement of the cards if they want.

Everything is subject to change

LoL... You thought you were Safe.... 😳

Swift runner makes her dash feel almost as good as Zag's. I don't really enjoy playing with it off.

I don't understand what this Means. 😥

@@lookalike4805 When you press dash, Melinoe briefly emits a flash before she actually dashes away. Swift Runner makes the dash instantaneous. She becomes invulnerable when the flash occurs though, so this Arcana makes her invincibility shorter, but smoother gameplay imo.

@Voicelet I think it makes it look Uglier. 🤔

I can't understand anyone playing without that, at least for melee builds (though I would have it on fire any build)

If we get reversed arcana, I'd love to see a Judgement that gives you all the arcana but takes them away randomly as you beat Guardians. That would have some real utility and make high heat runs very interesting (but complete RNG clown fiestas lol)

Where to get darkness??? Chaos?

You make it in the caldron using basic materials

@@GhGh-gq8oo That's Shadow. Darkness is found in Chaos

@@dvortigernd Chaos encounters, just keep going there

Is there a certain req for darkness to spawn in chaos chambers? Ive been going literally every run and I have not found one

I understand they wanted to Respect the Lore but Mechanics should always be Consistent.... Isn't that why they made the Pausing Incantation 🤔

@@lookalike4805 yeah we should have an incantation that let us stop time on chronos, instead of just being able to pause during the fight...

1. Huntress looks at your max after the primed magick. This lead to a funny interaction where i could not activate Huntress because I had all my magick primed so I had 0/0 so a 100%

1. No, it counts you as at 100% Magick still even if you have some Primed. 2. It does! It increases the base damage of Poseidon's. Demeter's cast doesn't actually alter the Omega damage but it will still increase the base Omega damage that will be inflicted (it's normally 150, so it would be increased to 250) at the end.

Essential for What ? 😳

A lot more often right now but I'm also experimenting a lot still, not sure about later on.

@@Haelian makes sense. I do think that everything using the same "resource pool" (grasp, in comparison to the mirror swapping each item between two options) has more potential for variety and preference picks. Many of the cards are also playstyle-dependent, so that also contributes. Many of the options from the mirror felt like non-choices (maybe apart from one or two niche builds), while here you can even consider giving up some really good stuff in order to get some other cool option. That's my initial impression, at least.

Im the opposite of you. I love using prime builds where i have 0 magic.

Same Here. It usually only Rerolls one *New* Item while Bringing Back the Same items from the Previous list. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Coming up!

I've got The Queen in my standard setup. I'm not amazing or anything, but it cleared 16 fear without too much trouble, and I'm confident it'll be able to do higher fear once I get better at the game. I still take a lot of random dumb hits because I'm being lazy with my dodging. I use this (X's are activated cards): 0X000 0X00X XXX00 XXXXX XX0X0 But this way I've got all the rerolls (and some starting cash as a nice side effect) death defiances, some sustain, some mobility, some starting stats, origination, defenses against bosses, and all of the rarity boosting boons, which means that the base power level of my boons tends to be quite good, and duos are pretty easy to get if my god setup has good duo possibilities. I'm currently experimenting with dropping The Lovers in order to take The Furies for more damage, I just need to get better at avoiding boss attacks, particularly from Cerberus and Chronos. You can also drop The Swift Runner for The Sorceress if you prefer the slowdown over the instant dash, but I find that the slowdown mostly just makes me take a bunch of extra damage in the Chronos fight because it slows me down but not him, and the Chronos fight is currently the main obstacle between a successful run and a failed one for me.

I probably wouldn't take out Strength all of the time but it's definitely super useful when pushing higher Fear amounts.

Maybe it's because Haelian uses the Torches Alot and the Attack in that Weapon Blocks most Magic Regen methods. 👀

@@Haelian I guess I haven't pushed fear that high yet.

There's always the high roll where the Circe keepsake activates judgement after Hecate, and then you get basically the whole arcana board by the time you get to chronos. I've had that happen once before, but unfortunately still died before I got that far, and haven't been able to replicate it since...

@@tyitsjason3828 good to know. Really think it’d be hilarious to reach chaos with the complete board Honestly, it kinda sounds like a chaos challenge lol

I'm with the card on the second level (4 cards after each boss) and it was really fun. I probably got lucky with some of the ones that got activated (origination let's goooo) and I'm still doing runs on 1 fear cause I was trying to clear with all the weapons at least once, but I'm honestly probably doing a few more runs with that card just to see the different combinations I get.

I picked DD, Origination and a third card over the boatman setup. It felt safer and nice with the keepsake addition.

@tyitsjason3828 The RNG is was just Awful 😭.... Started a New Save just so I can do this. @justinbuergi9867 It is a Challenge on the *Fated List of Minor Profecies* beat it and you'll get a Measly *5 Nightmares* 👀

It should be at least like the god keepsakes, to give you a chance to encounter a path (in place of a minor reward or something.) It’s so hard to pick it over a boom or pom. Right now the only time I’ll willingly go into a Selene room is if I don’t need major rewards which is what’s offered on the other door. Naturally this usually isn’t the case in the first 2 zones where I’m still making my core build. This leaves only the shop or zone 3, and again mostly because it’s lumped with other boons/hammers that I’d rather have.

A fully upgraded path of stars is going to be absurdly powerful. And, yes, that doesn't really matter which one. It makes sense that we're never fully upgrading. That said, even getting enough points to get to the "epic" on the far right is kinda rare. Personally, I just think that Selene's keepsake should do what it currently does (+ number of upgrades, scaling with keepsake level), and give a "guaranteed" path of stars. And, of course, there are specific Hexes that probably need buffs (the ONLY one that should even be considered for a nerf is moon water... But, honestly... I'd like to see the others be closer to that level of power). The other problem with a lot of the specific Hexes is that most are only "good" once upgraded... But, all of them are absurd once "fully" upgraded.

It's a good point, it feels bad to take Selene a lot because most of the time I never get a lot of Path of Stars after still, so it feels like a wasted reward. Maybe if Selene came free with other rewards or something... dunno.

I've had some good runs with "fully upgraded" (or nearly fully upgraded) Hexes. The OTHER problem is that you also generally need a build that can quickly dump mana to recharge the Hexes. There was one run where I eventually got a powerful hex... But I couldn't use it very often because I had taken a "you use x% less magic" from Chaos. There's also some theoretically "invincible" Hex runs as well (the beam with "shoots by itself" and "invulnerable while Hex is active" would, in theory let you charge the Hex while invulnerable)... The cap on power of the Hexes is REALLY high. Maybe even TOO high. The problem is getting even in the ballpark of that cap is just not feasible in most runs. I keep coming back to the keepsake... Probably because the keepsake sucks. It's entirely possible to use the keepsake and not even get offered Selene. Maybe the solution is, instead of a guaranteed Selene, make it MUCH more likely to encounter multiple Paths of Stars. Because... Yeah, most of the Hexes aren't good until heavily upgraded. So, being able to get 3 or 4 of them offered over the course of a run would be powerful. Maybe also getting some points to upgrade when you pick up your first Selene. Something like that.

How?

I also want to Know How 🤔 You would need To Have a Minimum of 8 Active Cards in the Beginning to have 25 Active Cards using Both *Judgement* and the *Crystal Figurine* The Most I could Manage was 6 Starting Cards 🤔 (The Same Six shown in the Video) which Always makes you Finish with 23.

i beleive its technically possible to trigger judgement WITH the crystal figurine, thus theoretically making it possible to end up with every card active

@breadwinner80 Indeed ... I created a New Save Exclusively Just to Test This... 👀

Origination has its own unique Icon on Enemy Health Bars... It should look a Gold Star Inside a Grey Square.

@@lookalike4805 oh thats what that is, thank you!

I wouldn't mind a big jump in resouces if it would also mean a big jump in grasp. As it is I feel like it is too much of a difference for almost no difference in power

You don't, you can use god keepsakes to "Rarify" them though.

Itd be cool if whever you have less than max grasp. You have a rare chance to be able to buy a card that isn't one of the ones shown at the crossroads from charon

I don't think so, sprint is clearly the new system to replace it.

Probably not till well into 2025 but we don't really know.

sadly the onion boon is a boon room and therefor a Major find.

I mention on screen but essentially: no. You'll get the additional damage for the base omega cast triggering (normally 150 damage) but it won't affect the damage mentioned on the Solar Ring boon.

If you're Talking about *Arcana Of The Ages* then you have to use all 25 Cards in a Single Run... There's no Cumulative Progress.. Trust me...I tried That Already. 😳

@@lookalike4805 there is cumulative progress though? the only way to enable all arcana cards is with an exploit anyway

@breadwinner80 There isn't... Every time I Did a Run it only Counted the Cards in my Last Run and Unchecked the Cards I used in the Runs Before. Besides... Triggering *Judgement* with the *Crystal Figurine* isn't an Exploit... Its Intentional.... Its obviously Bad Design but that's just How they made it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Also, I did some calculations and found that if you're trying to max out the value of Charon's cards, go for Fate Fabrics instead of Moon Dust

They won't because you're always going to Wish you Had more. ,👀

@@lookalike4805 I guess, it's similar to Picayune dreams if people have played that where there's a max level and you can't equip every perk on the skill tree so you have to choose whatever build fits you most, only in this game does it feel somehow stricter because in hades 1 you could get higher rarity rooms, reroll dice AND rarer boons offered to you with the mirror talents at the top such as damage, healing and more dashes but in this game you can't exactly do the same without sacrificing others

I mean.... That was Hades 1.... This is Hades 2... 👀

I don't Understand why you value all those Items in terms of Bones. 🤔

There's lots of Competition. 👀

The Responsiveness hasnt Changed... People were looking to blame something for why they were getting hit so they blamed the Dash.... The Animation might be Slow but it's Still Responsive.... Alas... Trying to Convince anybody who played Hades 1 that *Swift Runner* makes your Dash Worse for No Benefit (No it's not more Responsive to Compensate) Is Impossible. It Looks Faster so they think it's More Responsive. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

@@lookalike4805 I guess what I mean is if it's "faster" I assume the means there's fewer startup frame or something like that, but it isn't actually clear what the effect means. I'm not saying one way or the other only that it "sounds" janky based on what Haelian is saying about it.

The "Start Up" that he's Referring to isn't the time it takes for the Dash to Go Active.... In this Case he's just Referring to the Begin of the Animation... The General Principle of Animating Anything is that it Consists of *Anticipation*... The *Apex* (I don't know what it's Official Name is) and the *Follow-Through*. Good Animations generally have all 3 of these even if you don't always See Them (like Jumping in Fighting Games) Unfortunately Emphasizing the Animations too much can Cause people to believe the Game is Unresponsive.... This is Exactly the Problem with all the Assassin's Creed Games they put the way the Character Moves above the Way it Feels to play. And this is what Was Changed about Melinoe's Dash.... They Removed the "Anticipation" Part of the Animation. That's Pretty Much it. The Dash was Always Invulnerable for the Entire Duration before and After the Change.... Its just that now the Whole Animation is Shorter (and Uglier) because the Anticipation was basically cut Off. The Cooldown was also Shortened but I didn't find this Specific Change Useful.

Agreed. I like having a little puzzle mini game whenever I try a new build.

Most likely won’t stay like that and is just for early access but yeah

@@AlphaRaven101 only if fans complain and leave feedback. idk how to, nor do I know if supergiant will read my potential feedback.

you dont have to omega cast

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