A full body workout with Mike's level intensity will leave demolished after a single workout

Rest has to be proportioned to the stress applied to the muscle. If we want high intensity we need to rest a lot, jones wasn’t following his same principles

Makes logical sense.

I’ve been doing Full body HIT once a week and I’m getting stronger , I’m natural so I feel I need more recovery

Strange he never considered doing full body workouts twice a week instead of 3 times, dropping the Wednesday workout.

Mike had the physique of a Greek God! The End! and the brain of a scientist.

Im getting stronger and looking better by doing mikes split , I’m resting 1 or even 2 consecutive days and I’m feeling/looking much better. I used to train 2 to even 4 or 5 consecutive days and was always exhausted.

I do high intensity full body workout every Wednesday, for the last 12 months. I now cant wipe my ass. I have to use a bidet

Mike's personal split routine had him doing an average of 18 sets to failure per workout day. That's about 36 sets over two workouts done over 3-4 days and 60-80 a week. Jones and Darden stuck with total body but ended up using two different total body workouts 2-3 times per week with 8-12 exercises each for 1-2 sets. For example, they would do pulldowns in one workout and rows in the other, biceps in one and forearms in the other, shoulder presses in one and lateral raises in the other. That is basically what the consolidation routine is as well.

Anyone actually employing the degree of intensity advocated by Jones for MAXIMUM muscle recovery and overcompensation would be physically incapable of performing that workout three days per week. The cumulative stress on the nervous system would lead to unbelievable systemic fatigue in a matter of MAYBE 2-3 weeks for even an elite-level trainer. Muscle recovery and overcompensation (growth) isn’t really THAT taxing on a relatively fit person. It is the systemic fatigue of the autonomous nervous system that requires so much attention. Jones was a bona fide genius, but Mike was the chief exponent and practitioner of Jone’s ideas. Mike simply used superior logic and an actual understanding of human physiology (along with a respectable amount of Deca and amphetamine) to expand Jone’s ideas to a greater extent.

Always listen to the jacked dude about matters involving getting jacked

Full body once or twice a week, 20-30 minute workout. Only 20-60 minutes of all out intensity exercise a week and I’m getting jacked!

I’m all for full-body workouts. So many benefits, but only if you are going for yourself. If you are a professional i.e body builder or a strong person. Splits are the way as you do need more recovery, you also have time to go 5-6 times a week. You only need to do 8-10 exercises with heavy weights or body weight. Hit each body part in one day for 2 or 3 days a week and you can keep it consistent. For example I do quads 1 exercise hamstrings 1 exercise calves 1 exercise chest 2 exercises back 2 exercises shoulders 2 exercises abs 1 exercise You can superset some exercises to save time if you wanted to fit in biceps and triceps. I don’t mainly because I train heavy so my biceps and triceps get enough work from heavy back and chest exercises. Focus on enjoying the process and eating to fuel your workouts and get 6-8 hours sleep every night. Keep it simple and you will see results everything is too complicated mainly due to people wanting more money from you. I hope this helps someone and keep up the hard work, it does pay off. Also if you feel sore or tired just take another rest day and eat/drink loads, your body will be fine!

I recognize this, i changed to upper lower split and it's much better

Probably why I get sick when I feel like I’m back on the groove in the gym working out daily

I do one high intensity set of 15 reps per exercise in a minimalist full body workout three days a week. I used to do endurance training with three sets knowing I wouldn't gain much muscle but my performance would be peak. When I switched to one high intensity set I gained more muscle but subsequently lost some peak performance.

Or continue doing full body and add 1-2 more days of rest as needed

When I do chest and back, it takes me out.

This makes absolutely no sense tbh. How can you limit fatigue by training even harder when you couldn't even take a full body 3x a week? These roided guys say whatever shit they want and people listen.

Alot of people would hear this information and attempt to apply it, without any or negative results. What most dont understand is the biggest variable here is the intensity that Mike applied, many average gym goers cant comprehend what this man means when "a single set to failure of 8 reps" some of you dont have the mental fortitude to do that, thats why a P,P,L or bro split works.

I've been doing HIT training almost a year now with great results. There is no way I can produce that kind of high intensity, that I could do a whole body workout and still be living afterwards. Especially now that I'm getting into much heavier weights now, it much more taxing on my body.

MM probably did way to much reps to failure & volume within each of those Fullbody Workouts.

take the week out of the equation. Train full body every 4 or 5 days. Why does everything have to be squeezed into a 7 day period?

If you cant recover completly so train 2 days of week

I couldn’t imagine doing a full body HIT workout. I do Mikes OG split from heavy duty 1 which is full body split into 2 days and it really pushes you to the brink in every aspect.

Mike was correct here .

I was there, he's right. Jones advocated strongly to do full body workouts until you are ready to vomit. I found that to be to much mental overload and unable to recovery.

Key here would be splitting the volume up within 6 or 7 days. Basically it almost seems a trivial amount of exercise comparatively. You have to judge your sessions on a weekly basis rather than daily, because the full depth of fatigue is only realized once every 6 or 7 days.

Tom platz was also a high intensity athlete

I agree with jones

This guy could have taken the place of Arnold Schwarzenegger..in Hollywood ,he a very good looking man...better looking than Arnold...

I tried full body and couldn't sustain it. Squats wiped me out.

After a full work day, getting my workouts in which are always splits, Im already pretty well spent and still have a family to meet the needs of. I couldnt imagine hitting a full body workout after work. I would be completely depleted and good for nothing the rest of the evening.

Some people can't even handle one of those things but college, work, and gym

I do full body and I at one point felt fatigued so all I did was back off a little bit and I feel better. I prefer a full body routine 3 days a week anyways. Also I noticed that after I backed off the throttle a little bit and also after taking a week off that I’m bigger and stronger now

I did a full body hit workout yesterday, though it was just 1 set to concentric failure, i was so tired that i slept until evening. I have insane amount of soreness all over my body even now. I had to skip my MMA session today as i can't bend my back because i took deadlift to failure. I dont know why my glutes, neck and some areas of my forearms are also sore.

I had stopped working out for yrs then I got back to it. I've been working out for a year now. I only lift twice maybe max three times a week. I do 1 to 2 sets as many as possible till failure. And I've gain alot of muscle. My problem was I wasn't taking enough protein cause I was trying to do the true natural diet. Nut eversince I continued with my work out routine and implemented more protein into my diet I'm starting to see more mass. My point is working out hard and resting more works just make sure you consume enough protein or all that hard work won't give you much gains only strength

When I played football , my coach ran a 3 day- a - week full body routines during summer training , it works but if you dont have the nutrition or supplements to back it up , you were definitely going to feel the consequences … but , if done correctly ??!! Like the kool aid man once said “ O Yeeeaaahhh “ 💪😂

How many times a week should this workout be performed?

So Mike broke with art, then Dorian broke with Mike,

True

This goes against everything Mentzer talked about Why would he say train a body part hard then rest it for an extended period of time But then go and train each body part 3 x a week on a full body I feel full body would work fine but you still need to train hard and rest longer Full body in this case would probably be better doing only 2 x a week

i dont like the "it all recovers at once"like the legs do not recover at the same rate as the forearms for example

I'm in Mike's camp

4x bro split for the win lawls

Split routine is much better. I like a 4 day split. Training each group once per week.

I train upper body on monday and lower on tuesday and it works great

I agree

Body building is sport , exercise ,gym, is body requirement like food.

Be clear, Arthur Jones and Mike Mentzer had the same level of intensity (Jones taught Mentzer HIT). Jones’s full body routine consisted of 14 exercises with 2 exercises per body part . Even at 1 set per exercise it is a 2 hour routine. Mike chose to essentially Push Pull Legs the routine. However, we/us can also do Full Body with 1 exercise per body part (7 exercises per workout) and be done in an hour, 3 times a week. You do not have to abandon full body completely. Pick your poison.

why not full-body twice a week then?

So like day 1 legs/upper body then rest day 2 then day 3 upper body/legs then rest day 4? And just follow the cycle ?

Arthur Jones : Obi wan Mike Menzter : Anakin Menzter didn’t listen well; he was training 3x a week - over training. Should’ve backed down to one to two times. There’s one cns despite several muscles.

Torso and limbs split. FTW

So here's my question if I am supposed to do bicep workout should I just do one exercise which has one set or should I do more exercises of the bicep workout with single sets on the same day?

Y’all are ganna think I’m crazy but the best splits are bi/tri, chest/shoulder, abs/back, and legs

Basically said gym ain't life

I train high intensity heavy and light I do my style been training since 1976 I am now international classic pro natty champion Still Competing 58 years old

My recovery is better on full body, matter of individual response ?

There is no perfect method to working out. Just gotta get in there and see what gets YOU results.

As you get stronger, you may find that the demands of the total body workout is just too much. I found that that happened after about five months of following Jone's program. My training partner and I were using Nautilus equipment, and we saw our strength almost double by that time. We were using the entire stack on quite a few machines (we even had to pin a 45 lb plate to the stack of certain pieces of equipment). By the time we got to the eighth or ninth exercise, working towards completing twelve, our hands and legs were trembling. We then decided to shift to a two-way split, still working three days a week. We continued to progress and felt a lot better (albeit, we were still sore most of the time). Unfortunately, we started to add more and more volume, with more exercises, and lost sight of the fact that, as we were getting stronger, we needed to allow for more recovery. This mistake is what ended up derailing our efforts... after which we just abandoned the weights.

i do hit but im doing 3 sets to failure just once a week,

Why not just go less per week, so full bidy once a week instead of 3 times a week?

👉Logic!👈

I see what he mean's!

Does Mike talk about push pull legs somewhere? Because as far as I've seen he does chest and back arms and shoulders and legs, is there some kind of benefit or is it an individual preference

Interesting

Lemme see. Mentzer body vs other guys body...hmm..who would I rather look like

Soooo "intense" just means train to failure every set?

Full body 2x a week

Guys everything will work as soon as u r on juice

I employ a full-body routine. Typically consists of 12-16 total sets. I work out 5 days a week, which allows me to go a little heavier on different muscle groups depending on the day. Some days I’ll do more sets of lower body exercises, chest/shoulders, arms, back. But everything will get at least 3 sets, every workout. I don’t often tell people this because it is so different, & it can be an annoying debate to have, but I do this to save time. It’s only 45 min, 5 days a week.

He later went back on that tho, he stated that the best his body looked and felt at one point was when he was doin 3 days a week lol

How about ,Paul quad zilla

Jones sounds like a person who has never done manual labor…. Bro, if half your body is toast you’re really gonna want that other half to take up the slack. Even as a person who does full body workouts primarily, I know that is silliness to suggest that recovery is the reason for it. It’s because you can stimulate growth without destroying any one group. And you don’t need to. If health is your goal, just get the blood flowing and move on to more important things in life 👍👍

Arthur Jones doesn’t appear to have any actual experience with any form of workout routine. The basic concept of his idea vs split days seems ludicrous to me but if it was the norm, Metzler was a genius on top of being an elite athlete.

Yet look at other people and arnold? You still can gain size wether you take a day off or not, mike just did it the lazy way

Jow Weider at least was a bodybuilder at one point in his life,Jones was a chain smoker,I doubt that he ever work out,why would any one listen to him?

Stop listening to people who take gear when you DON'T

Makes sanse he is the only person till this day with hes level of symetry

Some body parts take longer to recover than other body parts. I broken my body into ten body parts resting 2-3 days depending on the body part. This adds up to doing 3-4 body parts per day training every day. After 12, the cycle repeats Even though you are training every day, you are not overtraining because each body part has 2-3 days of rest

Each muscle group ONE time a week(9-12 sets TO FAILURE) has provided me (age 55) more growth than I ever experienced in my younger days(2 muscle groups per workout 2 times per week) !Steroids are the difference.Natural training will not produce the same growth. That's just the truth.

Too many guys in the gyms with weedy legs ...they look out of proportion ....they too lazy to work on their legs ...they hide legs with long tracksuit ...

Never ever ever do full body workouts

As long as you get adequate sleep...train how you like

I’ve never heard of someone doing a full body workout regularly. Sure on occasion, but as part of a routine would diminish all of your energy.

Dead at 49

Aurthur Jones did say you shouldn't train HIT more than 1 total hour per week. Sounds like Mike didn't get the memo....

I do boxing with gym. I workout 6 day straight. In my gym workout i do full body workout. 3 days for gym , 3 days for boxing training. I am also losing weight. Someone give me advise is it good for me?

This all works with people on anabolic... Me' as natural' if stop training for a week and keeping diet' I lose mass.

The only thing that conflicts with mike is he wants a whole work out routine in 1 hour or less. Very difficult to do.

HIT 5x a week if u on 💉

I'll stick to Leroy Colbert advice

On going relationship? Im OUT!

Then bro split is better?

This is not revolutionary. Leroy Colbert and Steve Reeves train three full bodies three times a week also low volume Jones did not revolutionized full body training. Menser was looking for a new training method to market to make money for himself.

Did he use roids like it's a question. Lost beyond words. Lmao

He did full body 3 times a week. Theres your answer.

Fortunately, they were both wrong with their approach and theories.

i train every day not a single break. i think its all nonsense. back in the day people worked 7 days a week and they didnt have issues.