Full exchange: Mhairi Black grills Oliver Dowden over mass graves uncovered in Gaza

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Ай бұрын

Deputy Prime Minister Oliver Dowden was grilled by the Deputy Leader of the Scottish National Party in the House of Commons over the human rights violations allegedly committed by Israel.
Mhari Black hit out at Mr Dowden over the mass graves uncovered in Gaza and called for the UK to halt arms sales to Israel.
The SNP’s deputy Westminster leader, told the Commons: “Two years ago when mass graves were discovered in Ukraine, this House united in condemnation and rightly treated this graves as evidence of war crimes, which Russia must be made to answer for.
“Yesterday, Palestinian officials uncovered two mass graves outside the bombed hospitals in Gaza. These graves also constitute as war crimes don’t they?”
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@NicolaKehoe
@NicolaKehoe Ай бұрын
Dowden's response was a complete disgrace
@captainwin6333
@captainwin6333 Ай бұрын
The UK is a complete disgrace.
@kendellfriend5558
@kendellfriend5558 Ай бұрын
If delusion were a person. “We trust the Israeli government to investigate themselves”. ☠️☠️☠️
@carlosgomez7400
@carlosgomez7400 Ай бұрын
Yes, and he showed his hipocrecy and the whole hipocrecy of the majority of the British parliament.
@buttshivaz2505
@buttshivaz2505 Ай бұрын
😂😂 Jewish people refute Jesus and the so-called Christians are backing them😂 and the Muslims Messiah is Jesus wow You can't be a Muslim unless you believe in Jesus When so called israelis came to the land of Palestine they were refugees they were given Palestinian passports
@Michael-24.7
@Michael-24.7 Ай бұрын
You know it's a public information the Israel has the largest skin bank in the world.. i wonder where they got all of that skin
@Easter19165
@Easter19165 Ай бұрын
Asking war criminals to investigate their own war crimes? And signalling to them that you will take their word on anything they'll come up with?
@sedeplacer
@sedeplacer Ай бұрын
It's garbage isn't it. I can't fathom the logic.
@asyaridne
@asyaridne Ай бұрын
AND! AND… “because we trust Israel”. What a punchline.
@annkristoff4303
@annkristoff4303 Ай бұрын
A war crime is a war crimes, period.
@cinder-nu3pk
@cinder-nu3pk Ай бұрын
“The difference, though, is that we can trust the Israeli government” Yeah, The UK is complicit.
@acreativename2781
@acreativename2781 Ай бұрын
Not even hiding their corruption lol. And why should they?
@viktoriacostelo8612
@viktoriacostelo8612 Ай бұрын
😂😂😂😂 right on
@backinthegame34
@backinthegame34 Ай бұрын
If you don't think what Israel is doing is evil then you are too.
@viktoriacostelo8612
@viktoriacostelo8612 Ай бұрын
You are evil for writing this !!!
@abootwallysohomow7086
@abootwallysohomow7086 Ай бұрын
​@@viktoriacostelo8612Not greater than you !!!
@ChukwubuDike
@ChukwubuDike 26 күн бұрын
​@@abootwallysohomow7086so you agree with what Hamas did on October 7th?
@randomguy2048
@randomguy2048 25 күн бұрын
@@ChukwubuDike So you agree with Israel bombing all eight universities in Gaza? Almost every hospital? A massive fertility clinic?
@sherif.kenawy
@sherif.kenawy Ай бұрын
Dowden proves that he and the rest of the uk gov are totally complicit in this massacare and genocide and Must be held accountable at the IJC. All these war criminals must be held accountable
@frederickmiles327
@frederickmiles327 Ай бұрын
He just proves the current Tory party are a sad mix of outdated Brideshead relics, friends of David Cameron and bewildered mediocre Christians There are of course the slightly more impressive black hats of the Indo Tory party and the displaced hard core Truss idiots that don't understand a Tory Conservative party has to be exclusive and not stupid enough to believe in full employment or lifting all boats. People of the Liz Truss sort are intellectually challenged products of comprehensives. Thatcher had to face the same sort of fantasies from Reagan and Lawson. Thatcher and Blair hose the correct option and to dump much of the population on long term benefits. They were better off remaining in the Black economy, drinking, screwing,.gambling. As long as they are confined to sink areas and religion is discouraged they die off faster.
@TheSlimbee
@TheSlimbee Ай бұрын
A personal message to him "SHAME ON YOU"
@simonhayward4058
@simonhayward4058 Ай бұрын
Hell voted out, he's getting ready for his p45 slip soon
@Nobleman707
@Nobleman707 Ай бұрын
Comic politicians. Telling criminals to investigate themselves🤣🤣🤣🤣
@andreijsternstunden5268
@andreijsternstunden5268 Ай бұрын
I nearly had to puke when he repeated his answer
@revpadma
@revpadma Ай бұрын
Hamas is a democratically elected government by the way. And under international law an occupied country has the right to resist an armed occupying power. Just as the French resistance did in WWII and were hailed as heroes afterwards. No doubt the Nazis called them terrorists. The Nazis also left many mass graves behind them. But I don't think even they deliberately bombed 35 hospitals.
@adenmohamed4760
@adenmohamed4760 Ай бұрын
You are democracy When that democracy suits Natanyahu
@saifalimuhannad2807
@saifalimuhannad2807 Ай бұрын
I wouldn’t say hamas was democratically elected. They won a plurality in 06 but there haven’t been elections since. Something like less than 20% of Gaza today even voted in the 06 election.
@niamcd6604
@niamcd6604 Ай бұрын
You're really right.
@revpadma
@revpadma Ай бұрын
@@saifalimuhannad2807 thank you for more information on that. But they are the only elected authority at this time, correct? And they are also resistance fighters of an occupying power, which is legal under international law. What is illega,l is occupying another country.. So why is Israel not listed as a terrorist state? They seem to believe they have the right to do whatever they want by violence with complete impunity.
@saifalimuhannad2807
@saifalimuhannad2807 28 күн бұрын
@@revpadma Yes, technically they are the only authority in gaza. One of the reasons for this is that the other (US friendly) fatah party, tried to illegally hold on to power after they lost the election. This allowed hamas to wipe them out and go after their supporters. With any resistance group it's really hard, the longer they last, the more violent and corrupt they get. Hamas use to be popular for developing social institutions in gaza, like schools and mosques. But now they rarely do that. The paramilitary wing of hamas has more influence than the state building wing because gaza is under constant threat and israel ensures funding towards hamas' paramilitary. Israel use to directly fund hamas as a way of counteracting the PLA (fatah party) and they now fund them tacitly through Iranian and qatari money. The reason for this is that, the more divided the Palestinians are politically (interms of who represents them) the easier it is to take more land from the west bank. Israel is by far worse than hamas, and unfortunately there's no 'list' that Israel can be put in that would stop them. However, through sanctions Israel can be stoped, like apartheid south africa, and hopefully through international law. As for hamas, most years, they are too unpopular in gaza, prior to Oct 7th the gazans were protesting them. Hamas uses terror as a form of resistance, but the problem with that is it hurts innocents on both sides and gives israel an excuse to commit genocide. Hamas doesn't care how many innocent israelis they kill, as long as the mission is complete, and this allows for some truly horrible acts. I think of hamas the same way as abolitionists thought of slave rebels. sure they are violent and dangerous (somties evil), but slavery is more evil, more violent and more dangerous, Israel is the same in that sense. Hamas is a symptom, zionism is the disease.
@amkougljanin9497
@amkougljanin9497 Ай бұрын
Absolutely disgusting
@timmytab2836
@timmytab2836 Ай бұрын
Comical. It doesn't matter what they do, they'll always cover for them.
@samchris3793
@samchris3793 Ай бұрын
Mhairi: There are 2 mass graves of elderly and the sick with their hands tied behind their back in a destroyed hospital Dowden: It's ok , it's a democracy , we can trust them.
@TheSlimbee
@TheSlimbee Ай бұрын
It never was a democracy
@Freemouse159
@Freemouse159 Ай бұрын
Democracy is not an excuse for terrorism and genocidal behaviour from Israhell.
@charshill2978
@charshill2978 Ай бұрын
Disgusting, isn't it. This guy is a puppet.
@AllyCMa
@AllyCMa Ай бұрын
Jewish democracy. 8 millions of Palestinians can not vote. Like an exclusive private Club Mad in the Middle East.
@Michael-it6gb
@Michael-it6gb Ай бұрын
Yeah, let the criminals investigate how criminal they are. It's like letting the police investigate corruption within the police force. Brilliant.
@danielhusain4083
@danielhusain4083 Ай бұрын
Humanity is gone 😢
@pdalaigh
@pdalaigh Ай бұрын
"We can trust the Israeli government.......".😂
@abdelhamidboukabou840
@abdelhamidboukabou840 Ай бұрын
What a shame 🤮🤮🤮
@nazbinnaz7505
@nazbinnaz7505 Ай бұрын
Mass graves in Palestine. But not in Ukraine!!!
@RickyRisnandar
@RickyRisnandar Ай бұрын
asking an alleged war criminal to investigate their own war crimes, is this a parody?
@m.subanov
@m.subanov Ай бұрын
Even his side is not supporting his words, look at the faces.
@tamerkabes1551
@tamerkabes1551 Ай бұрын
The difference is that we can trust the Israeli government....are you listening to yourself or any facts, pal?
@sedeplacer
@sedeplacer Ай бұрын
the people who did the war crime, is investigating the war crime 🤔Come onnnnnn!
@ibrahimrogers2859
@ibrahimrogers2859 Ай бұрын
Criminals in fine suits
@declancarolan4116
@declancarolan4116 Ай бұрын
Shameful, trust the perpetrators to investigate themselves 😮
@daisybugzy
@daisybugzy Ай бұрын
She is right 🗣👏👏👏👏👏👍🏽
@armandobanha3817
@armandobanha3817 Ай бұрын
Ridiculous ...and obvious
@user-nc2kt8ze7o
@user-nc2kt8ze7o Ай бұрын
You are not going to get a answer from these clowns, and that's really appalling
@user-ef8ms7cg6y
@user-ef8ms7cg6y Ай бұрын
you are asking for the suspect to investigate himself. Very interesting
@izzatullahshah
@izzatullahshah Ай бұрын
"judge, jury, and executioner."
@carobertson7208
@carobertson7208 Ай бұрын
Mhairi black, can always be relied on ✊
@user-fu4sk1zr3h
@user-fu4sk1zr3h Ай бұрын
You can never reach the hearts of someone that doesn’t possess one .
@seadcausevic6901
@seadcausevic6901 Ай бұрын
It is time for Scottish independent.
@deborahshadbolt9736
@deborahshadbolt9736 Ай бұрын
THIS is extraordinary; if anyone believes that Israil should ‘investigate’ the mass graves for a war crime.
@jonahspiper
@jonahspiper Ай бұрын
The NHS should have let Harold Shipman investigate himself.
@Boujois23
@Boujois23 Ай бұрын
Yep so why didn’t Russia investigate those grave in Ukraine. As for “ democratic Israel” what a joke the world knows it’s not - apartheid has been proven
@bashirhersi2829
@bashirhersi2829 Ай бұрын
War crime is not always war crime.
@elizabethstevens4160
@elizabethstevens4160 Ай бұрын
In what world is it appropriate for Israel to investigate itself when it comes to susspected war crimes? Especially when it has proven time and time again that their idea of fair, impartial and truth are vastly different than what the majority of the worlds understanding of those concepts!
@hatersburnlovercarryon4541
@hatersburnlovercarryon4541 Ай бұрын
The lady made a great point may god guide her 🙏
@user-ks4yn4qq7m
@user-ks4yn4qq7m Ай бұрын
The Evil defends The Devil
@user-je7et4ns3x
@user-je7et4ns3x Ай бұрын
In a lopsided justice War Criminals are allowed to investigate their crimes, because they have mighty backing.
@ggbooy8395
@ggbooy8395 Ай бұрын
The world is still illegally occupied. 😢
@mahwishusman3058
@mahwishusman3058 Ай бұрын
Wow abusers will investigate by themselves what a nonsense
@abdulsadek-tj7fc
@abdulsadek-tj7fc Ай бұрын
Investigations will never happen.
@tiboregoldberger6817
@tiboregoldberger6817 Ай бұрын
UK Racism Africa Black Children Death Famine NO UNRWA Ship Food Truck Air Drops Hospitals Ambulance In 2023, an estimated 6.3 million children under five died, 2.9 million of them in the WHO African Region. This is equivalent to five children under 5 years of age dying every minute. Two thirds of these deaths can be attributed to preventable causes. A third of all these deaths are in the neonatal period. 0:31
@charshill2978
@charshill2978 Ай бұрын
Africa needs to rise too. The former colonies have been striped and bled dry and now the ordinary people in the West are starting to see just how inhumane, greedy and criminal these colonial powers are. Humanity must survive. The children must be protected. The criminals must be brought to justice.
@tiboregoldberger6817
@tiboregoldberger6817 Ай бұрын
@@charshill2978 you are right Islamic Muslim Arab Invasion colonized slavery of Africa in the 650s and 7th century Millions and Millions of Black African Women and Children in slavery by Islamic Muslim Arabs over 1,400 years millions and millions of black women men and children died in slavery at the hands of Islamic Muslim Arabs Invaders Colonialists SLAVERY
@Pinkstone1111
@Pinkstone1111 Ай бұрын
Let's hold open elections to re-elect countries and states in a 'democratic' way. What do you say Labour?
@2345ronaldinho
@2345ronaldinho Ай бұрын
Germany was also a democracy in the late 1930s. So this is a ridiculous argument
@emole9511
@emole9511 Ай бұрын
Calling Israel a democracy nation is like calling Adolf Hitler a sweet little boy.
@eatonasher3398
@eatonasher3398 Ай бұрын
Who buried them?
@saynf
@saynf Ай бұрын
The Israeli did, with hebrew written body bags and the soill is brought in too😮yep whatch other TV outlets!
@wiggy5728
@wiggy5728 Ай бұрын
Silly man
@TheSlimbee
@TheSlimbee Ай бұрын
"that is the correct decision" same rhetoric as Cameron no proof no argument Im right your wrong im a bully but a (for now) a polite bully never vote for this party
@TheSlimbee
@TheSlimbee Ай бұрын
So the accused invedtigated themselves, sounds totally sensible or dors it? What a .....
@mjpla9345
@mjpla9345 Ай бұрын
Hypocrites ! Liar !
@kama1791
@kama1791 Ай бұрын
Thanks from France
@kendalson7100
@kendalson7100 Ай бұрын
Ms. Black you are incredible ❤!
@hannaelfar1816
@hannaelfar1816 Ай бұрын
I guess the cheques cleared
@hanimnoor8512
@hanimnoor8512 Ай бұрын
I feel sick when he label Setanyahu government as democratic government. Shame!
@aisharehman5265
@aisharehman5265 Ай бұрын
What s lot of bull.....
@arbeage
@arbeage Ай бұрын
What are the responce if the mass grave consist of all British subject. Will UK let Israel investigate and accepted the finding by the Israel.
@Saudea
@Saudea Ай бұрын
*I have immensed pity for UK, they used to be great but now US toss them like nonsense*
@darlingdodo.x1993
@darlingdodo.x1993 Ай бұрын
How is this world getting away with blatant double standards 😡
@tarlokmann3981
@tarlokmann3981 Ай бұрын
Wow!
@owenoneill8173
@owenoneill8173 Ай бұрын
Dowden is a former officer of the Conservative Friends of Israel, and has twice chaired the APPG for British Jews. Dowden has said he feels a "cultural affinity" with the Jewish community - his constituency of Hertsmere has the largest Jewish population outside of London.[
@THETRUTH-pw4qf
@THETRUTH-pw4qf 29 күн бұрын
It's like urging murderers to investigate their own murders ...
@josephleonardi1421
@josephleonardi1421 Ай бұрын
Complicity in a genocide or war crime is a crime in it's own right
@hatersburnlovercarryon4541
@hatersburnlovercarryon4541 Ай бұрын
That guy i mean i am speech less
@moharinMukriz
@moharinMukriz Ай бұрын
it like trusting a murderer to conduct an investigation to a murder that they did.
@debsmith4465
@debsmith4465 Ай бұрын
Investigation into Mass Graves These are the people who pleaded with the world to help them. They told us what was happening. First they told us the hospital was being bombed, specialist departments, wards, outpatients maternity wards. Around the hospitals bulldozers tore up access roads.and then bombed the people trying to find some protection around the hospital entrance. No food water electricity, medical supplies or fuel were let in so people died and the doctors continued to ask for some intervention some help. Then they told us and we could see that tanks encircled the hospital and opened fire on the whole group of patients and staff. After telling them to evacuate they were shot as they began to follow that order. Do you remember the nurse who described trying to move patients on donkey carts. Ambulances and their crew were killed. They told us because there was no electricity the deceased couldn’t be refrigerated so they buried them in the hospital grounds. Because there was no electricity ventilators and incubators couldn’t save the lives of the babies and patients who needed them. Then the hospital was stormed invaded by IDF snipers who opened fire on the whole group. People were run over with tanks and bulldozers people were buried alive. We have first hand testimony of these things and footage filmed by the most courageous journalists so many who died Then the hospitals were completely besieged. And now we can see what’s left behind. I had a small feeling of hope when their graves were discovered. But to hear “Israel as a trusted democracy can investigate itself! What level of depravity have we sunk to. I am an average 64 year old uk. I have never been so ashamed to listen to Oliver Dowden and Antony Blinkin speak yesterday. Lie after lie after lie after lie investigated and found false. NO BEHEADED BABIES NO SYSTEMATIC RAPE NO INVOLVEMENT OF UNWRA IN OCT 7 NO HAMAS HQ UNDER AL SHIFA….. AND DONT FORGET ISRAELS LIE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION THERE WERE NONE.
@shem4753
@shem4753 Ай бұрын
How much conserative politicians getting party donation from israeli lobbying?
@syafiqsya465
@syafiqsya465 Ай бұрын
They trust criminals to investigate their own crimes , extraordinary.
@sparkle6093
@sparkle6093 Ай бұрын
Good for Mhairi 👏👏👏👏👏👏
@FranktheTank25186
@FranktheTank25186 Ай бұрын
We expect the accused to investigate themselves
@lucybell1730
@lucybell1730 29 күн бұрын
Who had the time to do all that it's a war zone area's after IDF soldiers left those places those remaining around there must have done it ask Palestinians 😮
@deciccius
@deciccius Ай бұрын
it's ridiculous! Can you ever ask to someone who is doing a war crime to investigate about it? Would you ask to Mr. Putin to investigates war crimes in Ukraine?
@songscoops4205
@songscoops4205 Ай бұрын
And what can any of these two do about it...
@jafarrehman6136
@jafarrehman6136 Ай бұрын
Bloody hypocrites. Telling the culprit to investogate.
@tiboregoldberger6817
@tiboregoldberger6817 Ай бұрын
European Racism Africa Black Children Death Famine NO UNRWA Ship Food Truck Air Drops Hospitals Ambulance and In 2023, an estimated 6.3 million children under five died, 2.9 million of them in the WHO African Region. This is equivalent to five children under 5 years of age dying every minute. Two thirds of these deaths can be attributed to preventable causes. A third of all these deaths are in the neonatal period. 1:27
@MDRAKIB-le6nk
@MDRAKIB-le6nk Ай бұрын
You can do anything being democratic.. What a seek world we live in!!
@VoiceSriLanka
@VoiceSriLanka Ай бұрын
7 hours and only less than 1000 views ?
@stevenlynas8930
@stevenlynas8930 Ай бұрын
Exactly ! KZfaq is a dirty tricks machine!
@c7415a
@c7415a Ай бұрын
Did he refrain from kicking the Scots in this exchange?
@paulwilson2968
@paulwilson2968 Ай бұрын
Democratic isreal 😅😅😅
@darlingdodo.x1993
@darlingdodo.x1993 Ай бұрын
Does the Palestinians people meet the asylum criteria to be housed in the UK?? Suffering a war and persecution…
@Muhammadali-jd5fu
@Muhammadali-jd5fu Ай бұрын
The double standards
@meanas7478
@meanas7478 Ай бұрын
Is he slow
@MrSammuri99
@MrSammuri99 Ай бұрын
Real evil using Democratic shield . The monsters elites
@mamadoufarissou7312
@mamadoufarissou7312 Ай бұрын
big up the free scotts
@carreromartialarts
@carreromartialarts Ай бұрын
who is that guy fooling
@jameelaahmed5239
@jameelaahmed5239 29 күн бұрын
😢😢
@sreviews6397
@sreviews6397 Ай бұрын
People march not because they care only about foreign affairs but because they don't want their government to be embroiled in/starting foreign wars (e.g. take march against iraq war). So much of tax-payers money is wasted on this and it is the main reason why people flock to the united kingdom. Taxpayers money should be spent within the u.k.!
@ba7955
@ba7955 Ай бұрын
Shame this guy he is not fit for this job
@theuglytruth4036
@theuglytruth4036 Ай бұрын
Wow! So the criminal doing the investigation?! Is like asking Putin to investigate his own crimes in Ukraine 🙂
@mujtabaraisani
@mujtabaraisani Ай бұрын
this country is a joke. asking a criminal to investigate themselves.
@ExcitedChefHat-ef5jt
@ExcitedChefHat-ef5jt Ай бұрын
No vote for any party this time till Palestine is free .
@user-yp9ls1vs7l
@user-yp9ls1vs7l Ай бұрын
Satellite imagery pls. 🇿🇦❤️🇳🇮
@anap847
@anap847 Ай бұрын
A Democratic Israel😂😂😂 they will investigate😂😂😂 This is hilarious
@user-qo2in5si5s
@user-qo2in5si5s Ай бұрын
Get the facts first before you point the finger at
@umarbakti1437
@umarbakti1437 Ай бұрын
Shame on u🤮🤮🤮
@Britishrailwaystories
@Britishrailwaystories Ай бұрын
Oliver Dowden does of course realise the significance and the comparisons between the treatments of Russia and Israel are stark. However, he has elected to be on the wrong side of history. He will not be easily forgiven for his complicity in this, and it is a fact that Rishi Sunak will be remembered as largely aiding, abetting, and running defence on, the Israeli government’s brutal, genocidal campaign.
@azizdeihimi6047
@azizdeihimi6047 Ай бұрын
after war, england cam american stooge. pink floyd, final cut, 1983
@rommy_of_rohan
@rommy_of_rohan 26 күн бұрын
"Democratic government of Isthehell?" An apartheid state that gives rights to the citizens of one religion while denying even the most basic human rights to those of a different race and religion? I got up to 0.53 seconds and then I had to quit because this man's warped, twisted words were so vomit worthy I couldn't take it any longer.
@zattouthatem1132
@zattouthatem1132 Ай бұрын
How come , isreal to investigate its self
@zainababdullah9640
@zainababdullah9640 Ай бұрын
Democracy? Isreal a Democracy? 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅 what a joke and Dowden is the clown😅
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