"grappling" is an umbrella term that BJJ falls under. Wrestling also falls under this term. They are not the same but they are both grappling

Modern jiu jitsu has evolved to kind of just be "submission grappling" a little bit of everything. As it should be

I like the mentality of "the more the merrier" in jiu-jitsu. The wrestlers coming over to help the sport evolve even more and get more and more exciting is what I'd love to watch.

We will evolve out of “Brazilian Jiu Jitsu” into the umbrella sport GRAPPLING. A hybrid combat discipline which encompasses the best of every grappling art. The same way leg-locks have evolved, so will takedowns. In 10-15 years GRAPPLING will surpass pure wrestling.

I wrestled in school and now a brown belt in BJJ. I can say for sure. Wrestling is the toughest thing I’ve ever done. Workouts are no joke.

Wrestling is grappling

These guys are obsessed with this question, because they refuse to train both. You can only be relegated to one style and are confined to it's rules says them. Like wtf a wrestler who comes into BJJ is only still a wrestler? This is why MMA is best, least amount of limitations

If you want to combine both styles, guard pulling should be -2 and the match starts standing. This way top position prioritized since the top person usually wins if striking was involved. However, there you can get caught from the top with submission

I always thought grappling was all of the above? Wrestling/judo/jiujitsu/ catch/ Mongolian wrestling?

Grappling is a general term that encompasses many styles. “It” can’t be better than wrestling. It is wrestling.

Wrestling is pushing, bjj is pulling, you need both, but the tribalism makes it rare for one person to master both

Khabib seeing this thumbnail, " im gonna smash you"

Very grateful for this content and the push to make grappling all encompassing

Did no one ever seriously consider a catch wrestling rule set for jiujiteiros vs wrestlers? You can win by either pin or submission and I believe there's a takedown and reversal based scoring system?

I feel this is why many mma gyms are now doing grappling courses, to give a blend of both, ofcourse it's better to be focused on either one. As someone who mainly practises striking, I'm pleasantly surprised by how comprehensive grappling is. Amazing content!

Flo, providing the best grappling content IN THE WORLD, FOR FREE, ON KZfaq. Thanks

why devide a nishe sport?! both are viable

Nicky Rod: trained 10 years of wrestling, 6 months of jiu-jitsu. Yet these guys are talking about him as if he's a pure jiu-jitsu grappler. LoL.

Wrestling is better because after you’ve wrestled for a few years you can pick up jujitsu in a few months and destroy people

15:12 If you're going to slam like that 1 - do it rampage style: all the way up to 12, then slam to 6 2 - slam them on their skull, not upper back!

Without ground strikes, you won’t be able to know. Striking on the ground changes everything.

Great feature, but I’m surprised that there wasn’t a third and final segment that involved the transition of either sport into the current MMA scene. It just seems that the drive, mindset and athletic prowess of top level wrestlers combined with fundamental BJJ/submission defense is a better base these days than let’s say a BJJ Blackbelt learn takedowns. There are always exceptions, but this seems to be the current trend.

I LOVED EVERY BIT OFF THESE GRAPPLING COMPETIONS I HAVE LEARNED QUIET A BIT HERE IN GENRAL IN 15 MINS SO THANK YOU RESPECTED THANK YOU SO MUCH!. GOD BLESS EVERY ONE TAKE CARE.

hold it…. grappling and jiujitsu are not synonymous ….. wrestling is grappling as well

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Wrestling IS Grappling

This is so well done

As someone that has competed in both I love the hybrid model they have started. I say keep it going.

Special rules don’t show who’s better or what style is better. The rules should simply be, takedowns legal, submissions legal, maybe a time limit but definitely no stalling or passivity. Wrestling and Jiu Jitsu are arts that fall under the umbrella of grappling. The reason Jiu Jitsu is better as a combat art is because the end goal is submission which ends the fight. In a life and death combative situation you definitely want more than a hold or a pin in your arsenal. Choking a person unconscious or breaking a limb is pretty effective

Great video

You don't seem to understand the word grappling. Wrestling is grappling. To grapple means to grab. All forms of wrestling, Judo, BJJ, Sambo, etc are grappling.

Hey flo people, what you guys are doing is amazing. Like honestly its making the sports better. Keep it up!

Nicky Rod came in and made a big jiu jitsu splash, quickly, because he had a high competence in wrestling and had the wrestling speed and conditioning. If you add that dimension to all jj'ers then the whole sport advances.

So what do you think of the idea of doing a race to 20 points match?? They have no submission match but is there somewhere they can go to do a match to a certain amount of points? I am new to jitsu i watch the ufc since first event one but never got to dive into grappling or mexican ground karate i have played soccer hockey and basketball ufc but i live in a small town where there is zero jiu jitsu gyms but i think the wrestling vs jitsu could be a good place where they could do a first to 50 points wins or something they both agreed to

They are both GREAT combative arts.

In the 1st 20 seconds I thought I accidentally clicked on a how to grow magic mushrooms Tutorial with Bader and his guest 😂

It is much easier for a world class wrestler to learn submissions than for a BJJ guy to learn Take downs. And both have to learn to strike.

I would imagine the wrestlers take down on concrete would end the fight

I wish they had done 3 matches, free style, Folk Style and submission grappling. Then you might have learned something.

Great video now you guys should do olympic level judoka vs world class Jiu jiutero

the rule set should be submission only. What is the point of being able to take the fight to the ground if you can't finish it there?

the probelm with the slam is if you wanne do it right you do not slam on the back but the head and you can do some serious dmg that way

Wrestling is a form of grappling. Jiu Jitsu is now sort of a jack of all trades grappling Martial Art, however, what makes arts such as Sambo, Catch As Catch Can and Judo stand out are the rulings. Personally I think Sambo is the best grappling art, followed by Jiu Jitsu and then Catch As Catch Can, otherwise everything else from Wrestling to Judo to Bokh is just something to add to ur repitoire in the arts of Sambo, Catch and Jits, that's what makes grappling so interesting, but yes these grappling arts' rulings are where the differences and the players lie.

Could you not have some kinda of ruleset where you're not allowed to pull guard, and where you can win by Submission, Pin or explosive takedown eg Ippon style in judo? That might work as a balance between the disciplines?

Wrestlers are grapplers but not all grapplers are wrestlers, wrestling is a style of grappling, because grappling is one of the two aspect of unarmed combat, the other is striking

Allow leg locks and guard pulls, but if wrestler ecapes guard and stands up, match resets standing. Wrestler has a chance of winning by takedown points or by pinning, jiujitsu player has a good chance of winning by submission. Both athletes are able to use their entire offensive arsenal. I don't see how it's that complicated to come up with a good ruleset.

Very important question !!! Is grappling a overword for jiu jitsu and wrestling or is grappling more jiu jitsu than wrestling ?? I dont get it ....

There is no perfect rule set, for a show down. You will always see the wrestler being better at take downs, and BJJ being able to grab a submission. It is their strengths. Anything that reduces or limits those strengths, will water down the bout making it boring.

Flograppling, what if you did no points for step outs. Takedown only count if they hold them down for 3 seconds?

Since I started in wrestling in highschool, then started Jiu Jitsu in my 40's, I can say the hardest thing about transitioning was to learn to be ok going on my back. In the beginning I would leave my neck open for strangle holds cause was trained to stay on my stomach. Where in JJ, being pinned on your back is ok and a form of most guys games, being in guard I mean

, Rickson Gracie v Dan Gable, Gordon Ryan v Billy Robinson ????

so basically, the submission grappler won the submission grappling contest and the wrestler won the wrestling contest. Who would have guessed, right.

You can take an elite wrestler and make him an elite jujitsu guy you can’t take an elite jujitsu guy and make him an elite wrestler won’t happened

Um Nick Rodriguez with Wrestling Background Blue belt in BJJ slaughtered Roberto “Cyborg” Abreu(Black Belt BJJ)

I wonder if we could have a Judo-like rule set, we're there are ippon victories

I think the answer is both. Wrestling is the best at controlling their opponent's body but since there are no submissions, they can't finish. So you take wrestling to control the opponent and BJJ to finish them and you have the perfect art.

I guess Flo’s going to pretend that catch wrestling doesn’t exist.

Dumb title which is better grappling or wrestling.wrestling is a blanket term there are many styles of wrestling.Greco-Roman collegiate folkstyle catch-as-catch-can sumo . Many styles of wrestling also has submissions in it depending on the style it's just that is not widely studied or practice as much as a modern-day Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu

Hmm… what Martial art would win in a fight… one that ends in an arm breaking/being killed or getting taken down and put on your back…

Flo forgot its roots.

Look all I know is if there’s an mma fight between a collegiate wrestler who got 1 year of BJJ and a BJJ black belt who got 1 year of wrestling, I’m betting on the wrestler 100% of the time.

And here I thought wrestling was a form of grappling. Someone didn’t do their homework 😅

lol just full on giving the guy your back and him refusing to take it is a giant W. Such a great wrestler to scared to take him down.

A mix is the best use the best parts of both

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Grappling encompasses everything

The Superior is Sakuraba. Saku an amateur wrestler trained under legendary Wigan Catch Wrestler Billy Robinson in the almost lost art of Catch as Catch can. Saku aka Gracie hunter even took out heavy weight Bjj black belt Marcus "Conan" Solveira @ UFC in 1997. The style of Catch Wrestling that Saku displayed, had never been seen, in NHB competition.

Where was Judo in this conversation? Arguably the top grappling martial art in the world based on number of competitor that compete in the Olympics. Take down based game with heavy emphasis on gripping and throwing. Chances to pin and submit your opponent.

im a purple belt and I agree wrestlers are tougher not even a question

"Grappling is better than wrestling". Ok, now do it on concrete

To me, wrestling is just a form of grappling, just like jiu-jitsu is a form of grappling. If you think about it, it's like saying which is better, Ford or Chevy. There are definitely some people who will defend to the death one being better than the other, but ultimately if you think about it, they are both cars and will both get you from point A to point B.

Wrestling is grappling and grappling is wrestling.

you can't please both either the wrestler learns more submissions and defense. by not allowing guard pulling (or sitting down is negative points) or leglocks you're just dilluting the sport. This might sound crazy but if you make takedowns score more (3? Pins 4 points) than the position scores (pass guard, mount and back takes) and heres the crazy part... submissions could score (5?) with a limit to 3 per match then you automatically win.

After 30 years of Wrestling 1. Sambo 2. Folk 3. Greco 4. Free 5. Catch Judo BJJ Sub Grappling I have the ideal Rule Set 1. All slams are counted. All take Downs are counted. Feet to back 4 Ippon 4 Wazi Ari 2 All others no score If you pull gaurd your opponent can slam, no spiking on top of head. If you jump gaurd… you can be slammed out of it or…. Your opponent can walk you out of bounds. You can try to grapple Out of it but if are walked out without your feet touching the ground -1 If you fail to turn a jump Gaurd into a positive position and you drop Off.. -2 Pins are Judo style. If you can pin your opponent for 15 seconds with no escape or advance-2. 30 seconds win… Mount and back tales are 2 points. Escapes are 2 points. Subs All except small Joint manipulation. First to 15…. More Wrestlers from the Greco world and Judo players will come to compete. In war you don’t drop to your ass.. in the street I’d you butt scoot your ass will hurt…

Wrestling is grappling just like Jiu Jitsu is grappling just like Judo is grappling just like Sambo is grappling.

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No need for a middle ground. Just grapple.

Wrestling just needs submissions and they’re good to go and become the ultimate grappling form. Without the submissions the level of offense stagnates at controlling the opponent.

Thanks flo grappling for the always awesome interesting content

How do you get a jiu jitsu player off your front porch? Pay for the pizza. ... am I slow, what does this even mean lol

>says world's best wrestlers >brings Americans

It should be grappling with slams allowed and submissions. That would settle the debate.

combat wrestling has an interesting ruleset

perfect ruleset might be a hardwood floor

Different sports. They have similarities like American Football and Rugby, or Handball and Basketball.

When will Gordon Ryan be back?

I guess to each his own, but for me, the ultimate ruleset was NHB. In terms of competition, for me, the whole point to whatever style you practice -- wrestling, jiu-jitsu, karate, boxing, muay thai, etc. -- is to be maximally effective in a one-on-one, empty-hand, who's-the-man fight to the finish (incapacitation of opponent) with referee interference, no rounds, and no time limits. So, whatever style, set of techniques, approach -- whatever you want to call it -- that is the best in true NHB, is the best, period.

Doing BJJ made me realize how badass wrestler are. Much respect

Dont you need both stand up wrestling and ground grappling to be.. I dont know a good grappler? Submission wrestling all the way, youll get best of both worlds.

Loses 12-0. "He held his own"

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BJJ needs a step-out rule. Not points per step-out but after so many...points or neg. points.

One is an Olympic sport with a clear cut career path.

bro have you been liften weights?

Put a wrestler and a jiu jitsu player in a cage, all holds allowed, no striking, no out of bounds, submission only. That's how this should be done.

Better? How? For fitness? Competing in the Olympics?

BJJ is just a different kind of wrestling. All grappling uses wrestling in some way. Submissions are not new, not even using the jacket is new. Wrestling has and always will be integral to human fighting.

I mean look at the UFC champions most of them come from wrestling

Wrestling is grappling. Js

Mark Kwrr was a wrestler and destroyed grapplers in ADCC