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I don’t get why Marvel can’t do to Kang what they did to Hulk and War Machine, a simple recast will fix this Jonathan Majors Kang fiasco

In a perfect world, Avengers 5 would have been a proper "Secret Invasion" and Avengers 6 would be "Secret Wars". Come on Disney, it was right there.

Kevin Feige: What will Avengers 5 be? Me: Kang Dynasty. Just Recast Kang like you've done thousands of times before and get better writers that didn't make crap like Rick and Morty. And don't pull Dr. Doom outta of your ass because that's just plain stupid. God help the MCU. #SaveTheKangDynasty

I wish we could’ve seen Steve Rogers fight Wolverine. The man out of time against the animal who’s seen it all. It’d be so good!

How Phase 4 wasnt fantastic 4 is beoynd me....

Im sorry i think its a terrible idea to bring back the fox X-men for an avengers movie. Just wait till the mcu X-men debut before doing X-men vs avengers, thers no need to rush. This idea seems to prioritize fan service and cool moments over the story and characters to me.

I fear this would be far too complicated - and for me, a little dull. I found the airport battle in 'Civil War' to be incredibly contrived, and frankly boring, when compared to the espionage and action of Winter Soldier, which carefully crafted a sense of suspense, intrigue, and visceral combat... all of which Civil War possessed, but frequently veered away from in favour of giving the audience more Big Costume Battles. Marvel films are often at their least inventive when it comes to two or more characters having a set-piece battle. I'm in no hurry to see more of this for the sake of it. Essentially, this idea requires the filmmakers to find a way to introduce two teams that are unfamiliar to the audience in their current form. I imagine that introducing a group of X-Men is going to be quite enough for a film to handle without also having to reintroduce a selection of less well-known Avengers characters and trying to create a plot which bonds them into a new team. I think that Marvel probably need to move away from convoluted plots whose main purpose is to tie this element to that element and reference another element and set up a future element. It was amusing to apply some of the aspects of comic book structure for the initial run of films... but it has become unwieldy and is leading to a loss of focus upon what really matters: telling stories rooted in exploration of character.

I find it funny that Conan made a skit involving the Avengers vs the X-Men.

Okay little rant here: An X-Men vs Avengers before Secret Wars simply isn’t feasible unless: Cut all upcoming D tier characters shows/films and focuses on their most popular long standing characters they have left. - Thor 5 to repair the perception of his character and introduce the gods finally and set him up to either sacrifice or close his story by Secret Wars. - Dr Strange 3 to continue his either villain arc or the consequences of him using the Darkhold, the incursion he caused, the multiverse and Clea. - Captain America needs to succeed and at a minimum crossover with Wong and Shangchi team they’re building along with connecting with the Thunderbolts. - Give Wanda her solo film (the only remaining liked female character before the actress walks away) fix her arc and have her hiding out in a Mutant universe and connect us to their X-Men team and even tie the Illuminati massacre as a catalyst (like she was in Civil War) - Spiderman 4 finally give us the decision of getting the Symbiote before Secret Wars or after and have Peter deal with the grounded stakes and grow on his own and then you can drop the whole everyone forgot him nonsense. - Fantastic Four will play in its own universe and even tease Franklin being a mutant causing conflict then more than likely by the end of the film will jump into our main timeline and connect to the newly set up Avengers. - DeadPool is already primed to show the X-Men in the void and different variants like MoM and 97 have done and will be crossing over into the main timeline by the end of that film. Maybe just maybe you could make a AvX work.

Magneto with the Captain America shield is now at the top of my marvel bucket list

The pieces are already set for Avengers vs X-Men in the mcu

Nah we need hulk vs wolverine 😭🙏

I like the idea of cap sympathizing with Erik, as well as your setup for Wanda meeting magneto at long last, I need fassbender and Olsen on screen together asap!!!

I feel for everything to work we get: Avengers 5 Avengers vs X-Men Avengers Secret Wars Part 1 Avengers Secret Wars Part 2

No it absolutely should not... You can't just skip 50 years of X-Men and do avx with no context or relationship between the avengers and X-Men

Hulk NEEDS to fight juggernaut

You cant trick me that suit pun was so intended

To be fair Supergirl might have all of Superman’s powers but Superboy does not, he often can’t fly.

I'm very proud to own issues 1-4 of X-MEN vs. The Avengers comics from 1987.

GIVE ME A DECENT LIVE ACTION GAMBIT OR GIVE ME DEATH!

That Cap and Magneto pitch is fucking amazing 🥲

Quantumania should’ve been a Civil War-style movie where a handful of Avengers are part of the story. With characters who didn’t show up for Civil War appearing in the movie. Thor, either Doctor Strange or Wong, maybe Professor Hulk, Shang Chi and Moon Knight

Hopefully turns out better than the comics version

After watching X-Men 97 i am dying to see the X-Men in the MCU.

The Marvel’s already set up a universe where mutants & the X-Men are fully established, just have that universe collided with the Earth 199999999 again, an Incursion caused by Kang & we see the Avengers & X-Men come to blows & by the end team up to prevent the incursion from destroying their respective universes.

Unfortunately the way they’ve made phase 4 and 5 so far they have forced themselves to need to make a whole avengers movie just to make a new team before they can even dream of doing anything like you’ve suggested in this video, that’s how much time they have wasted since 2019

I think that this will not work for Avengers 5, we need to bring the avengers together first. But in Avengers 6? I imagine they will do the plot from Hickman's secret wars which begins with an Incursion, in the MCU that incursion will be from a version of the xmen universe, a beyonder will appear, probably the Quantum Kang, and smush all the universes together into battle world. Doom will steal the beyonder's powers and put earth back but keep all the heroes from both worlds. the end

This entire concept makes me think I don't want to watch another superhero movie for a decade.

Ngl, i dont think Sam should get the Serum. Just because he is a legacy character, does not mean he should be more powerful than who camd before. Thats how we get Dragon Ball power level discussions and a well written story shouldnt have to rely on that. What makes Sam as Cap interesting is that he DOESNT have it and what he can do without it. They could make a more Mumen Rider tyoe thing with him as he really is just a man, trying live up to the symbol that is Captain America. I still feel like this aspect could still be used in upcoming movies if its written extremely well

I like this idea, but I feel like theres a way it can be done to introduce the new X Men rather than trotting out the Fox X Men.

Sounds pretty good. I do like that there’s only 6 avengers, recently the avengers have become more of an army in mcu, however, it should go back to being a team. As well I don’t think moon knight will be in the team, I’m pretty sure he’ll end up in the midnight sons, instead, they should add wear machine, as iron man, or maybe she-hulk, or captain marvel

This is absolutely amazing keep up the great work can’t wait to see more 🔥! 😊

I absolutely love the X-Men from Marvel so much so, that I have a detailed fan theory as to how the X-Men could join the Marvel Cinematic Universe: keep First Class, Days of Future Past, Apocalypse, Dark Phoenix, Deadpool 1 & 2, New Mutants in the Marvel Cinematic Universe timeline as there is a massive gap between 1963-1995 with the Dark Phoenix cast appearing in Deadpool 1&2, these films can happen after the events of Dark Phoenix and since Essex Corps is referenced in New Mutants, this could happen in the Dark Phoenix timeline after these events, Professor X uses Cerebro to convince the world that mutants don't exist and erase any new mutant activities from people's minds whenever one is witnessed. however the only person who knows is Nick Fury, who agrees with Professor X to keep tabs on any new mutant activity. this is also referenced in a deleted scene from Iron Man 1, when Nick mentions X-Men the X-Men can work in secret between 1992 up until Endgame. when Tony Stark snaps his fingers, the mind stone reverses the effects of Professor X's actions. resulting in the public now remembering who the X-Men are as for Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch, Hydra's meddling with the mind stone prematurely reversed Professor X's actions, as it was mentioned that the mind stone unlocks dormant abilities already present in the brain my theory brings the Dark Phoenix X-Men cast into the MCU, thus eliminating the need to recast the entire X-Men team. the actors are young, they've expressed interest in returning and continuing their roles. it's an option for Marvel Studios to do that I've explained my theory to a lot of people, most of whom say it works. others say it won't work and demand i should forget everything about the Fox X-Men films and be happy with what Disney/Marvel Studios are going to do with the X-Men I will probably receive a lot of negative feedback about my theory, nothing is set in stone, if Marvel Studios can bring back JK Simmons as J Jonah Jameson/the Sony Spider-cast, why won't they bring back the Dark Phoenix cast? there are multiple websites that support my theory, along with the Iron Man 1 deleted post credit scene. not only that, something similar happened in the comics (Robert Reynolds/Sentry and Gabriel Summers/Vulcan) since Days of Future Past rewrote the timeline, X-trilogy/Wolverine trilogy no longer take place as the ending to Dark Phoenix doesn't connect to the original trilogy, leaving it open for possible future sequels. as I mentioned, the Dark Phoenix cast could return and continue James McAvoy - Professor X Michael Fassbender - Magneto Tye Sheridan - Cyclops Nicholas Hoult - Beast Alexandra Shipp - Storm Kodi Smitt-Mcphee - Nightcrawler Sophie Turner - Jean Grey Josh Brolin - Cable Brianna Hildebrand - NTW Stefan Kapicic - Colossus Olivia Munn - Psylocke Peter Dinklage - Bolivar Trask Oscar Isaac - Apocalypse Rose Byrne - Moira McTaggart Anya Taylor-Joy - Magik as I've mentioned, in my X-Men MCU timeline, Mystique dies and Quicksilver dies after Avengers 2. the other X-Men characters I don't mind recasting, as long as they keep the cast I mention above aswell as try to follow my fan theory

Great video brother. I wasn't on board with the idea initially but your pitch seems really interesting. You are the only other youtuber who I've seen have interesting charachter driven pitches for a superhero movie besides @NandoVMovies. Especially that magneto playing around with cap's shield would be so cool to see.

I feel like if you’re absolutely on the money getting Anna Paquin back as Rogue with Brie’s Captain Marvel in there so Rogue can get her proper powers. And a Deadpool/She-Hulk fourth-wall break feels absolutely necessary.

My half-joking idea for Avengers 5 is to bring Ultron back. Have Hank Pym finally start to snap from years of the Pym particles getting to his head combined with the anxiety of Kang showing up one day, and he finds the last ember of Ultron wherever Vision hid it. While I think it would be fun to do any number of relatively famous storylines like AvX or set up something with Doom, I also genuinely believe that most of those stories need too much setup and time to have the full payoff they could have. Meanwhile, Ultron is a familiar face that almost none of the new roster of Avengers had to face, Hank's spiralling I think would be a fascinating tragedy to round out his and the Ant Man story, and Ultron's new plan could simply be revenge, and the villain has to grapple with what does that emotion mean and feel, especially when most of the actual people he wants revenge on are gone.

I was wondering why you weren't including Captain Marvel and in the Avengers main six, but your plot reasoning is kinda awesome 😄

Awesome video , more of these types of videos man there’s great 🤝

so no kitty pryde lmao

Great idea. One thing - Sam could still get the Super Soldier serum in Brave New World, in fact I think it’s more likely he does than he doesn’t given he’s going to be fighting a rouge Hulk

I agree that this needs to happen. An Avengers vs. X-Men movie not only gives us hype for the MCU, but also nostalgia. I think it should work like a Time Runs Out scenario where the X-Men universe from The Marvels is having an incursion with the main MCU and our MCU Avengers will fight that team of X-Men that are the same cast members from the original Fox X-Men films. That helps with the technical issues of the X-Men getting to a place where they can fight the Avengers. Another thing is I am fine with Kang being an overarching villain, but I feel like Doctor Doom is not only the cooler choice, but he can be set up in not only the Fantastic Four movie, but also Doctor Strange 3, so it doesn't feel like he randomly appears. I think Doctor Doom should inevitably defeat Kang at the end of this Avengers vs. X-Men movie, somehow become God Emperor Doom, and create Battleworld, but by the time both teams realize what Doctor Doom is doing, they are too late and realize they should not have been fighting each other all along, being the perfect movie to hype Secret Wars, having multiversal and grounded elements, doing really cool fan service, and perfectly set up Secret Wars with the perfect villain of Doctor Doom.

A clean slate X-Men was absolutely something we needed, but it's so unlikely now because they keep dipping their toe back into the Fox pool. Multiverse of Madness, the Marvels, Deadpool 3; no one is going to care about new versions if they JUST saw the old ones in the latest MCU fair, and it'd confuse casual viewers too. Like yeah, EVENTUALLY they'll need new X-men, but it'll be too late then; we want proper MCU X-Men teaming up with the characters we know and love (the ones that are left anyway)

my man how has marvel not hired you to write for them? your ideas are amazing

Great vid! Love that idea of pairing up Sam and Eric. The dynamic you’ve thought of is so intriguing!

*kevin garnett in Uncut gems voice* “why the fuck would you show me something if I can’t have it?” This is SO WELL THOUGHT OUT and now I NEED it

Who’s gonna tell him

Really love this. Secret Wars issue 1 is all out battle between Earth 616 and the Ultimate Universe. This would be the closest we could possibly get to that. Fantastic pitch!

Yo, Sam and Magneto work really well in this way. That's dope sounding!

The secret wars we're gonna get is gonna be so much more underwhelming than this. This sounds good...... :,)

I kind of hate everything about your pitch but it's likely what they'll do. We're just trapped in the past forever. Old versions of characters forever, never moving on from the half hearted X-Men attempts of the past. Whatever. I guess that's what you all want.

I had the exact same thought they should do Avengers vs X-Men

5:17 *Also Ian recently suffered a really bad fall during a play so that could most likely put him out for a long time.*

I really like your take about Sam and Shuri. Never thought about it that way before. Sam really needs a proper buff to be a contender

Idea, what do you think of the og professor x and magneto coming at the end to stop the fight? They’re both more powerful than their younger versions as well as they’ve both experienced something similar to whatever kang will put them through

They should have multiple Kang variants fight each other using proxies from various dimensions AND each Kang variant seeks an artifact that Kang created: Ten Rings, Quantum Bands, Necrosword, Celestial Ship, Armor. One team could use the X-Men and another the Avengers. They battle to save their respective world's from collapse into incursion. Kang's kill each and absorb and steal each other's power until only on Kang remains. Every time a Kang kills and absorbs a variant that reality collapses in an incursion event. Teams of heroes from those realities fight each other to stop it but fail.

Rumors just come out marvels trying to make avengers 5 avengers vs x men u where right on the money

I’d also like to see the X2 Nightcrawler.

Oooou that sam and magneto arc is sweeter than Hawaiian roles and brisket on a Sunday afternoon

I agree. Marvel needs something big like that to bring back their aura

Although it’d never happen, the full fat version are always so much better than what will happen

They don’t have time to set that up at all. It’s clearly all working towards a secret wars reboot

I’m impressed, particularly your idea for using Kamala Khan! I hope, if they do this, they think it through at least as much as you have.

Do people forget how bad AVX was? Like, they had Fraction, Aaron, and Hickman, and even they couldn't save it from Brian Michael Bendis

I also absolutely agree that Cap needs the super soldier serum. I hate that he is so weak now. Ironman is the tech wizard that ascends to being capable of taking on Thanos. No shot I believe Falcon is also that and all he needed was a Vibranium shield. So dumb...

This would be AWESOOOOOOOOME

I like your ideas!

Interesting idea but I feel like this new team should have at least two movies to see the new avengers then x men vs avengers witch could set up secret wars

The only way I can imagine this working is if the end, ended both the mcu and xmen verse. The og xmen cast are too old to carry on for another 10 years of movies and the mcu is such a mess just end with a reboot. But it would be a good way to go out.

Alr, so I don’t think they’re doing Avengers vs. X-Men for Avengers 5 because Avengers 5 is where the whole world war storyline comes to a close, being similar to WWH, I think they need to plan 4 Avengers movies, Avengers 5, Avengers vs. X-Men, and Secret Wars 1 & 2

I actually really enjoy your view on what the focal point of the movie should be cap sam vs magneto over arching point of views

I want to see a fight with ace storm vs thor it will be a super perfect fight

If marvel can recast Kang they can recast Tchalla son of Tchaka

Sam's Captain America will probably get the super soldier serum upgrade in Captain America 4 if he's going to fight Red hulk he's going to need it

I hope they give sam powers because its gonna take a disgusting amount of plot armor to survive a battle with the X-men and or Kang

FullFatVideos doing more to get me invested in and hyped for Marvel movies than Disney these days.

The strongest fanfic writer of today

Its hillarious how I am in my bed 8:26 am watching this

I know this much: I want Ryan Reynolds as Deadpool to interrupt the opening credits as soon as the name of whoever is going to be the new Wolverine. I want him to drop a F-bomb right then, cause this is PG-13 and they only get one. And like… every time Wolverine is on screen, he needs to be just steadily muttering under his breath that this new kid is no Hugh Jackman. Like, really beat that dead horse. You think he’s gotten it out of his system, he’ll see new guy Wolverine and start all over again. Cut to a new scene with different characters on screen and instant before he can drop another f-bomb. I want DP to basically be moping through all of his scenes, like it’s not even worth it without Hugh. Maybe at one point he half-asses some fighting, because he just doesn’t care, and we do a death barrier scene like in DP2, except there’s Hugh sitting at a bar in the afterlife, clinking beer bottles with a CGI Stan Lee, and then DP gets sucked back to the fight. Maybe also have Natalie Portman and Idris Elba. And after the end-credit scenes are done, I want a good 20minutes of outtakes just about Wolverine being recast. Like the bloopers from DP1, “You look like an ugly avacado made love to another, even uglier avacado…”

THANK YOU!!!!!! PLEASE!!!!!!!! AVX is such a cool idea, and they have the PERFECT opportunity to make it a reality.

Joseph should be the next Magneto ❤❤❤

The Photon stuff makes a bit complicated unless Kang stops her from warning the avengers the XMen are good

We don’t even know who the current Avengers roster are and there aren’t any X-Men in the MCU You can’t just throw these characters at each other and expect us to be satisfied. You have to build up both sides and the relationships they have with one another before putting them against each other, otherwise you get another BvS

I dont care about Avengers 5 or 6, because I dont care about the remaining Avengers characters. I should, but I dont. I mean, name one character that has gotten better since the end of Phase 3 or a new character that has been introduced that is on par with the characters from Infinity Phases.

All the DP&W trailer footage I've deliberately avoided up to now… all in this doggone video. 😭

I have two recast options for Kang: either Corey Hawkins or Ray Fisher. If Marvel wants a caliber actor to replace Jonathan Majors, those are two who I can name.

It WONT be 0:24 but I’m still watching

Love this pitch

It could work, but the team would have to be Hulk, Spider-Man, Kate Bishop, Clint Barton, Sam Wilson, and Iron Heart as the main six. With the six you gave, they'd need a separate movie to establish them as Avengers and a team because some of them aren't even aware that the others exist, and only three of them have ever worked on a team. With these heroes, the Avengers mostly know each other. They're already well acquainted with Spider-Man, and Kate is well acquainted with Clint. Iron Heart could kinda just show up and they could let her in as the Iron Man fill in. Also, I think Deadpool 3 is going to establish the X-Men in the MCU, so all of the Kang stuff would be unnecessary, and I think the story would work better as something more grounded.

No one wants Anna Paquin's Rogue. Anna Paquin doesn't want Anna Paquin's Rogue.

Make the Collector Scary again

We should do A.X.E Judgement Day which is a much more interesting story than what AvX was

You really called it wow

Can we get a better Avengers lineup, I just can’t see an awesome team with Shang Chi and Shuri. Maybe we could get Daredevil, Punisher, Luke Cage, Jessica Jones, Iron Fist and possibly even White Tiger.

Nope, She-Hulk needs to go back on the shelf for a while.

There is no reboot coming lmao at most they may just combine a bunch of universes so actors can cross over

Boy, did this age well...

Sounds fun to me! Can we get Fassbender in the X-Men 97 magenta?

I dont see any need to recast the X-men - its so hard to explain the MCU public's dismissal of the Xmen from the perspective of their unnatural power if it isnt there from the offset, considering their love of the avengers, making the multiversal refugees a strong modern reimagining of that concept

Honestly this concept just makes me feel exhausted and think of superhero fatigue. Not everything needs to cross over. The X men being in the same universe as other super heroes has never made sense to me