Yeah wonder if it was a good move for them to go electric because the powertrain will finally be reliable and put the dealers out of business lol

Peugeot stand at everything electric show in Sydney had so much information on there car's also free coffee lol . Nice car . Keep smiling everyone

I drive a 2020 Peugeot 3008 Allure and I absolutely love it so much. If I had the money, I would without any doubt get this all new Peugeot 3008e or even a future Hybrid model. It’s not just about the price but rather the joy and experiance you get out of getting a Peugeot. Well super done Peugeot and what a brilliant review by such a capable and may I add, super knowledgeable person. ❤

Hmm ... seeing as Quentin is reasonably well informed ref the retail aspect of the car trade then it might be useful to quiz him on the groundswell of feelings within the main dealership community. If the above comment was true then it would be interesting to hear Quentin's views ... it wouldn't take long to see him attempt to duck the question and do the disinformation thing. There again we hear of the quite impressive fines to be imposed of dealers fail to meet targets in UK. Definitely worth hearing what Quentin has to say on this topic, in this instance. Who knew main dealerships could lose money? That is a surprise. Come on Robert and Quentin, kindly do an online debate on that dealership issue. And include the swing in car manufacturers' policy apropos their new stance on retaining ICE units converted to burn hydrogen. Dealerships might quite the idea on the grounds ICE units are thoroughly understood and would require servicing in the established way. Might also be a wheeze to avoid paying for the retraining/upskilling of the resident mechanics. Could be "invisible" benefits as in our roads wouldn't get such a kicking from the weight of millions of battery EVs, and suffer less from self igniting battery packs, plus reducing the risk of multistorey car parks collapsing at inconvenient moments, which they certainly will do if every car ends up loaded with hundreds of pounds weight of batteries. Using converted ICE units running on hydrogen or ammonia (Google is your friend) might well be a useful compromise in going green, avoiding the build up of CO2 in our atmosphere and prevent the sea lapping over your doormats. No, really you're welcome.

Yeah because electrics on a car are highly reliable 🤔 what a crazy comment.

This is true, I laugh when I watch tiny female presenters tell me there's loadsa legroom in the rear with their driving position and compare with Jack, who has to eat his own legs to fit in. Maybe we need Gwendoline Christie to do some test drives?

​@@HairyCheese it's a big problem that we don't have a standardized yardstick in the two meter range. I have no idea how big this car is, or any of the EVs at Chinese car shows! Equipment reviewers used to put a CD or DVD in the shot so people could tell how big it was. Some rules: 1. Every car presenter must disclose their height (in the shoes they're wearing). 2. Every car review needs to pose a standardized cut-out of 170 cm (5 ft 7 inch) tall "Essex man" next to the car and presenter.

And suddenly the videos become watchable

I thought I was crazy for a moment, yes. What a marvellous tech nowadays.

This confused the shit out of me

Glad it wasn't just me then!

It is a new French technology

@@user-aRb00d3r It also happens automatically when you cross the Eurotunnel. *BAM* Magic!

Actually that's the aim, isn't it? Not weird, not scary, not niche. Just a car

That's about it. Dull as ditch water.

It's not though it's got the kerbweight of a truck in the higher specified models. 2.5 tonnes should never be normal for a device to move one person around the majority of the time.

​@@stevenbilclough2563 everyone's primary vehicle should be an e-bike and public transport. Then decide how much vehicle you really need for your second one, if any. If you live in a big town there are ride hailing, car shares, short-term truck and van rentals, and soon robotaxis. Before people respond with their 50 mile commutes in rain and towing a boat to a lake 500 miles away: you're a minority! Kids in towns today will grow up using e-bikes and electric scooters and many will never bother getting a driver's license.

@@stevenbilclough2563 yep, but... ...it's a car.

Did he mention the charging AC & DC speeds ?

As for thorough, to me it was more a general preview rather than a review. He mentioned some technical stats repeatedly (range, not entirely fitting the official number) while leaving out others (charging speed), not commenting on materials or seat space or ride quality etc.

Generally speaking, the margin on a car is quite low. The real margin is made on parts.

At 50% off no-one is making money, this is loss leading to shift excess stock.

or they're taking massive hit on them as no one wants to pay obscene amount of money for car that limits your journeys to around town.

I went to look ar a used e208 yesterday, about £12k for a 3/4 year old car but sadly as I'm 6 foot 1" it seemed a bit cramped for me coming from a Focus - but looks so much better than the Vauxhall version

Lease is just about up on my e208. Cracking little car to drive around for the last 3 years. If you're getting one for 50% off list then I'd say go for it. It's stupidly quick in sport mode and if you just pootle around in eco you'll get near enough 200 miles in fair weather. I regularly see 5/6 miles per kilowatt.

its simple free market economics .... they are priced according to the competition, they know the hybrid has to be competitive with other hybrid cars .... also it can be cheap because the battery is 1/5th the size and ice engines/hybrid systems don't need billions sunk in to research, bev's do for now

maybe the oil company pays them a bonus if there's a gas engine included...

The rrp is never the actual price paid for EVs.

😂😂😂😂😅

alternative tacts!

And me.

Me also please

Grandad

does your first dad know about this? even more importantly, does your mom know about this new arrangement?

@@xiaoka Good point. I may need to adopt a few more dads to normalise the situation.

They are more expensive than a "screen" and adding / removing them can't be done with a software update. It's sad, as these blank screens have absolutely no haptic feedback.

More buttons means more complexity, more costs and more potential problems.

100%. all this 'everything in the screen' is crap, distracting and dangerous

Agree 100% I won't drive a Tesla until they bring back physical controls which Euro NCAP may effectively force them to do from 2026 onwards as NCAP are going to downgrade the safety ratings of cars that depend on touchscreen HUI. Eye's off tactile discovery controls are so much more intuitive and safer to use. Touchscreen mania is not about innovation or better, its about cheap cost cutting .

​@@jantjarks7946Yep and they can ask money for the those buttons afterwards, if the screen stops you are f.... out of luck and 10K out of the pocket. An example - "Peugeot + adds buttons, otherwise you can use them once per drive." Just like BMW's heating seats. Also so dangerous to use. You got glare, no feedback, some of them change places depending on the mode or screen, it's just stupid.

Correct. I'm betting the cooling system is a total cumbersome mess.

It was a mistake. It's 2.1 tons unladen.

The Scenic E-Tech is noticeably lighter 🙂.

about+/- 2130 kg but still too much weight for modest electric cruiser,(s class fully from 2002 was 2070kg with v6 engine, thinking about weight will be the most common issue to get future energysaving journeys,not up to task to drive 100 km under 16kwh spending -this will matter more in couple years to have a car with 1500 or with over 2000kg

IT IS NOT 2,6 TONS

Agreed and secondly, in the UK, you'll get stung buying one second hand after 3 years with the 'expensi e car' tax 😅 and that's on top of 'normal' road tax.

Solid alternatives for under 22-20k euros.

That price is ridiculous.

that is why French are in favor of EU tarriff on Chinese EVs, because they can not compete but still want to rip off consumers!

Agreed price is crazy, but RRP is not the only factor in lease/PCP deals which is how most acquired cars. It's success will all boil down to the monthlies.

Car companies fear that buyers dislike the egg-shaped grille-less look of the Tesla Model X and Model Y. And if your only idea to market a car is to show a bloated vehicle tearing around trails in the middle of nowhere with mud and rocks and sand flying, you end up making boxy Defender/G wagen/Jeep copies that look rugged, visibility and aerodynamics be damned.

@@skierpage I think you are absolutely correct... but it's really destructive ("Tall Vehicle Hoods Really Are Increasing Pedestrian Deaths" -- Wired 2024), and wastes interior space, parking space, and means we have very little flexibility of design.

battery size? maybe i missed it.

@@xiaoka 73kWh (mentioned at least twice, so yes you did :-).

I didn't.

Indeed, the e3008 is wiper-less.

The Ioniq 5 N has a rear wiper! And 641 horsepower. And a sound setting where every time the wiper goes back and forth a V12 engine revs up and down 😉.

Wait until they’ve fixed the 12V battery issue that plagues the Ioniq 5 model specifically.

i guess the expception is e-c3 for less then 25k

Remember when Sergio Marchionne said "dont' buy the Fiat 500e"? Maybe they really don't want us to buy these either.

No is 2100kg

@@tochukwuezinwa2122 you're right. It's only 2.6 tons when full of heavy people and their luggage. Why do they not fact check their videos?

@@lemagnitio72 It is an SUV so all the people are morbidly obese (to go with the car). Four people 125Kg apiece makes up the 1/2 tonne. Leave it for a couple of hours and they would have sweated off 10Kg but it would still be heavy.

To indicate right press a button that could be anywhere around the steering wheel. If you have not kept up with where it has moved to then just go and do not indicate. Maybe make a video of the Tesla repair process and experience.

Actually I think the Peugeots are better made and far nicer inside and outside. The Teslas feel like appliances. Peugeots just feel more like cars.

​@@edwardlloyd1516I know this is very subjective but I couldn't disagree more. Every Peugeot I've ever driven, post 90s, feels utter rubbish.

Columbo is the only fan of French cars. He's fiction!

@@esm7708 How about some more information rather than a wild generalisation.

@@allanbriggs9007 it's not wild at all. I honestly can't think of one. Although I do have soft spot for big French saloons.

Far prefer his to Jack's

I would add Renault's scenic.

That argument never works for me. The money for servicing goes to the dealer, not the manufacturer.

@@Stiggy767 The manufacturer makes the (original) replacement parts / gets a license fee for replacement parts made. And I wouldn't be surprised if the dealer pays for every customer that keeps their car maintained at the dealer. A lot of manufacturers have incentives like: 'maintain at our dealers, and get your warranty extended'. They wouldn't do that if they would get nothing in return from the dealers.

I think he must have an issue with his car ... I leave the HVAC on auto on mine and never have to activate anything!

3 years total service cost on the hybrid works out about £350 more than the EV .

@@bordersw1239 Some manufacturers seem to be manufacturing "service requirements" for EVs so maybe this is what makes the difference smaller than it would otherwise be.

Mine also has one (Cupra Born), but you don't need to use it. Brake + D/R to go, Parking button when you've done to stop. I got the feeling the people deciding on the buttons, were not talking with the people doing the software, so they just put one in as that's what other cars had!

@@TheBoothy666 oh yeah for sure, it's a stock button being reused for mulitple vehicles. It's just funny, it's like they would have put an "Unleaded fuel only"-sticker on the inside of the charging port cover.

Anything to drag the customer back to the dealer!

​@@francisboyle1739I wonder if Peugeot gives dealers a higher profit margin on BEV's so they're more willing to shift the battery tin that doesn't require nearly as much service.

Current battery prices are 139 dollars per kwh. So 77 kwh (73 kwh usable) = $ 10700. There is no petrol engine, but it does need power electronics for the electric motor and charging, a water cooling system for the batteries and a heat pump. In the Netherlands the price difference is € 7000, not 10 grand. Add subsidies, lower running costs and less maintenance and it looks quite good.

I share your sarcasm. When car fundamentals are so-so, all they can do is add a bunch of shiny buttons and hope for irrational buyers. Anyways, wish them luck. The bigger choice of EV models is better.

Maybe, but the people want SUVs (I myself want a SUV), so the automakers make and sell SUVs

Friday in New Zealand....

@@johnhornblow4347 Happy Friday

The Reno is much better

rear wiper!

One way to pander to different markets ... quite a clever wheeze ... who knew it could be done between edits. Impressive.

I mean the 2 completely different colour cars should be more of a give away

You either way buy a subpar legacy EV or a Tesla. Otherwise you will have to wait until Geely built a factory in Europe, which will take a few years, and buy the newest, even more compelling MG4. That's basically the options available. 🤷

Now you've given Peugeot an idea for the startup animation of their EVs. The OLED central logo and the lighting "claws" will look and sound like the MGM movie lion.

So lions are overall four-wheel drive, but primarily front-wheel drive?

I think you mean "less expensive." The Chinese government has given billions in all kinds of incentives to its EV industry, starting years before Europe and the USA. European and American legacy car makers seem to be threatening governments "We'll slow investing billions in EVs and instead keep selling the polluting crap unless you guarantee us profits" while doing nothing to counter the "EVs are bad! nobody wants EVs" hysteria. They're planning to fail.

Stellantis is also RAM, Chrysler, Jeep, Alfa Romeo, etc. But the French do have the ruling command there.

​@@DanRyzESPUK America will get not-especially-compact overpriced Jeep versions of some of the Stellantis platforms, with good utility but crap aerodynamics, and people will complain that they're not real rugged Jeeps for their manly off-roading adventures. Carmakers seem hell-bent on convincing everyone in North America that they need a three-row SUV tank on 30-inch tires 😢.

The steering wheel changes back to the left-hand side (where all the smart parts of the world have it) when Robert gets out of the car!