Lovely thought.

Unless he drives 3k or less miles a year, probably needs charging.

Actually, it is better than professional.

@@g-r-a-e-m-e-- you're right, my apologies - better than professional

are they though? those solar panels on the side will probably never pay back their production energy, let alone the added cost of dragging them round. The only way you could mount them worse would be under the car (solar roads anyone?).

@John Sinclair Don't spread lies about wind power. If the payback from wind turbines was so poor, it wouldn't be the cheapest form of energy available today. As for the solar panels - that day when you drive to a remote beach, you'll wish they had added panels on the bumper too. And if you upvoted John, be aware that you have been listening to oil/gas/coal lobbyists, and not to facts.

No, the are marketing the perceived problems of EVs with fake technology. Those solar panels insult my intelligence.

@@mycosys The cost is much lower when you have regenerative braking. Gas cars use heat to make the car go and then heat the brakes. Battery electric cars get to reuse the energy from braking. And adding weight doesn't change the wind resistance of the car, only the rolling resistance.

@@mrmichrom8553 please read a little before you take the ignorant hippie stance....there is no way a car with 100% surface area solar cells could charge itself, anywhere on this planet.

RWD! Woooo Although this just makes me think more and more that it’s just an i3

But that's a good thing right?

Sorry! Updating my post! Front wheel drive!

Rear wheel drive? How stupid!

er, and you'd buy this over say a Renault Zoe why exactly?? Seems like reality might be hitting.......

Check Sono Motors website. €25,000.00 Inc German VAT & deliveries now due approx. mid 2020. according to another viewer of this video.

The car by itself should be €16000, current estimation for the batterypack (if you buy it instead of lease it) is €9500. I guess we will all find out the final price on lanch.

I doubt it will be below €26000. Also, mentioning those dubious “€16000 without battery” doesn’t make much sense. That number was used by OhNo Motors to trick people into thinking their car was affordable. The real price will not be a cheap one.

Yes, it’s asking for too much. OhNo Motors is not in the position to fulfill people’s wishes. They said, they want to make ONE version of the car. So far, they’ve not even accomplished that... Yeah, great concept...

odinterimon.Chris - hi! A 'car for the people' would cost £3,000, on the road. They'd sell hundreds of millions of them, all over the world. To POOR people. Oh, sorry, not allowed to use the 'P' word when discussing the lovely new, clean, shiny future...

@@EleanorPeterson no new car will cost £3k on the road, not in the shiny future or whenever & there are lots of reasons people are poorer than others, why you should have a go at poor people its not a good thing to do, why are you so nasty & bitter ? that's why we buy 2nd hand cars then it doesn't matter how much money you have.

No need to insult the VW Beetle by comparing this puzzle of a car to it.

@@thelining4078 I assure you, x o, (lots of thought in that name) it was absolutely meant as a compliment, I'm sure you have had lots of VW's and feel very passionate about it, I have personally owned three beetles,1 Squareback, a 411 saloon ,two 412LE estates & two camper vans, my first beetle was a 1965 6v model as was the 1968 split screen camper, so by no means was it meant as insult. The ethos of this car is just as the beetle was first produced, cheap to buy & run so any one could eventually own one. FYi 21 million were made & sold to all. They have built the Sion & it is meant to be a car for all people, that is their idea, one that can be shared not even purchased,one that doesn't care where you live or unlike the stupid comment from further above, as cheap as practical. I notice you have added to your comment "...by comparing this puzzle of a car to it" you know, if you can come up with an idea that would be better than this one, please throw it into the pot, I'm sure we all would like to see it. Of course you realise it wasn't a literal comparison to the beetle, although it could resemble an early golf, it is the idea of moving the peoples car into the EV future. I'm sorry you thought I insulted the iconic VW beetle.

@@EleanorPeterson "A 'car for the people' would cost £3,000, on the road." And how much is that car going to cost during eg 15 years of use in fuel and maintanance compared to an electric car? Initial low investment cost does not always give the lowest total owning cost. The failur of realizing this is what keeps some people poor...

This car is not a game changer. It's not even in the game.

@@manoman0 You obviously don't know what this car can do.

@@SimonAmazingClarke I'm fully aware of the capabilities and, please, don't get me wrong, I totally dig this car.

@@manoman0 do you mean that it's not for sale yet. So its not in the game?

@@SimonAmazingClarke Sort of, yes. It has no influence on the EV market. I wish them all the luck to be successful. Again, I like the concept but it's just not competitive.

Biggest mistake: Develop an entire car. Chinese manufacture this kind of car in the thousands.

Creepy Girl I think that was the daily recharge rate. I did not catch what the range was. If it were 150km and took 5 days to fully recharge that is fine for me.

@@davidlazarus67 They stated about 250km range at 03.25 in the video.

My spidey sense says the guy is lying about the 35km per day number. Or under hypermiling conditions which is the same as lying.

@@NidalRashid Typically even in modest weather you're looking at ~150-180Wh/km. To add 35km/day you'd need to collect at least 6.3kWh of power from the solar. In Canada we have an average of 3.5 PV hours/day of solar year round. (more in summer, less in winter, etc). Meaning you need to collect ~1.8kW for 3.5 hours. at 20% efficient panels you'd need 9 m^2 of panels facing the sun directly to collect the necessary power. IOW the entire thing is a scam. Those same solar cells would be better off in a solar farm where they adjust the angle of the panels to match the sun....

John Sexton Thanks for the information. That’s more than enough for most people. The 30km a day from solar is more than enough for many drivers to cope with a daily commute. For someone who does not have easy access to a driveway for charging at home the solar panels will eliminate the need for any charging if you are a low mileage driver.

Are you an idiot? Its an i3 with a few cheap solar panels bolted on to it.

@@themightydash1714 the i3 doesn't even have solar panels soooo

Realmente. Na Austrália e no Brasil seria uma boa opção pela incidência de sol. Mas é melhor investir em paineis solares residenciais e então abastecer o carro. O custo é menor e você não terá os problemas que podem ocorrer ao instalar nos carros.

I was thinking the same thing. You'd hardly ever need to charge.

@@snowstrobe o único problema para nós do Brasil é a carga tributária enorme, que inviabiliza a pessoa comum ter um veículo elétrico ou células de energia em casa. Um carro básico no Brasil custa 35 salários base, e ainda pagamos bem mais impostos depois.

I wonder how heat resistant it is. I'd love to use the hot sun for charging, but not at the expense of melting the electronics.

Even in Australian conditions you'd get maybe 2.5 kwh out of this kind of arrangement of solar panels. It's a nice bonus, sure, but you'd be better off shoving 7 square metres of solar panels on your roof and getting more like 5.6 to 8.4 or so kwh out of the exact same solar panels. Too much of this is poorly angled and would outright not even face the sun in most conditions. Such an incredible waste of the potential power those panels could actually generate...

We are doing our best ;)!

To really do your best, you might consider a) installing a better communication policy, rather than withholding information from your customers b) coming up with results, not just new promises and unfinished old prototypes c) calling things by their name, like the price of the car ( € 26000 ) If you continue this slow and winding path, the future of the Sion might not be a sunny one.

Compare this car to the BMW i3... It's cheaper, has more range, more trunk volume and you could charge it for 'free' if you hardly use it... And the list doesn't end there

One of them exists.

Help them with their community croudfunding!

I agree. Why has it taken so long?

@@g-r-a-e-m-e- Because it doesn't make sense. Just like it doesn't make sense to carry around fairly large panels to charge your cell phone, most of which take around 18 hours to charge a typical smartphone. Solar is OK for huge spaces pointing south, ie. roofs. What makes slightly more sense is to just have solar panels at home or parking lots with solar parking spaces, though very expensive.

@@SoldererOfFortune not been camping or hiking much i guess, a solar charger is almost essential for maintaining a charge on a phone or gps tablet, sure its not meant to fully charge, but to extend the charge you have, hard to do when your 30-40 miles from a socket

@@charlesuk5358 That's why power banks exist.

@@SoldererOfFortune at the price of monocrystalline solar cells it makes more sense than car paint.

me too, but for some reason there is a LOT of hate going on here

@@willdarling1 It seems coordinated. I was at one test drive session near Frankfurt with the first prototype and the car is amazing. And it actually recharged itself during the day due to the solar panels. It works. The company is just VERY small, they basically still are a start-up business, and is facing a David vs. Goliath fight at the moment.

Why even fight? We should all work together instead for a sunnier future. :-)

@SaltyBrains 10 years ago people were saying the same thing about Tesla and EV in general

@SaltyBrains was für einen SINN hat Dein Kommentar? völlig überflüssig! Achte auf Deine Gedanken , denn sie werden Deine Wörter...

The problem with a van is that it will be used during the day and not just sitting in the sun. I think electric is perfect for small delivery vans. A proper solar panel covered delivery van would be perfect for Australia and sunny states like Florida, Texas, Arizona, and California. Good for Mexico too.

oh no...so bad... :(

The website now says it'll be around €25 500 including batteries

@@Simon-nx1sc am i the only one who thinks this is an amazing price?

I’m sure, some blue-eyed hippies who just love solar panels despite their efficiency on a car, will fall for it, too. You’re not alone. ;-)

x o what's the reason for your negative only comments? Are you just an idiot craving attention? Sono Motors' communication policy is not really good and I'd say that's about the only thing one can blame them for. Did they do anything to you personally? You act like you hate them and your comments lack any meaningful content. Would be good if you cut that.

Censorship might be something OhNo Motors would like to install at the moment. But the truth won’t be suppressed. As people are naively falling for any lying pseudo company, giving them their trust and their hard earned money, a word of warning might be in order, don’t your think? Until this “company” finally delivers everything they have bigmouthedly promised in the past, a little caution is a good thing.

They're not car reviewers. I agree they should sometimes be a bit more critical, but as Robert has said himself: "We are not motoring journalists, we just want to spread information about the existence of interesting concepts and things happening in the EV world etc."

@@Simon-nx1sc - Yep, you're right. Bobberty's effortless professionalism, general all-round niceness and past connection to major TV companies - in particular the BBC - gives people the impression that his KZfaq Channel is somehow 'regulated' and required to follow BBC guidelines for impartiality. It's a false impression. Adam's annoyance at the relentless air of positivity is understandable but mis-placed. Fully Charged is 100% about generating interest in an electric/renewable future, so the presenters can be as positive as they like. Likewise, Adam, you can be as critical as YOU like. Being critical is not just a good thing, it's ESSENTIAL, especially when unproven, unverifiable claims are being made. Beware of religion, cults, and pseudo-science! It's important to keep your wits about you when online - but it's even MORE important that the claims get made public so that they can be debated and discussed by people who know and care about such things. That's where Fully Charged leaves the room, job done, having got people arguing... :-)

Because not every human on this planet is deutsch.

@@EleanorPeterson .....and don't forget, also discussed and debated by people who have absolutely NO IDEA what they're talking about!!!

It'll likely be enough to keep it fully charged and provide for 5 miles a day. Perfect for urban grocery getter's.

I would be very surprised if they produce more than 500w combined even on a sunny day, so lets say you live in spain/nevada or even norway/alaska in the sunniest of days 12h maybe 14h at best if you consider latitude and efficiency angles etc etc you're looking at 5kw/day but keep in mind the side panels some will not produce much if any electricity depending on angles and shade, so my 500w figure is already too optimistic for my liking, maybe 200w is more realistic, but without real numbers wattage, efficiency, voltage it's hard too tell. But I wouldn't say you can rely on these solar panels to charge your car, if this was that tv show lost and they had all the time in the world and they had no other means to generate power they could let the car sit there for a long time and eventually be fully charged so they could get to the other side of the island, now keep in mind the electronics also consume electricity so it's common to see the 'vampire drain' in cars so that means if the weather is not perfect you may still lose capacity despite the panels, and at night it will always consume so unless the power generated during the day is greater than 24h worth of vampire drain than your excess minus efficiency losses and natural losses that's your actual extra electricity. I would rather just park my car and have rooftop panels, these panels look like a gimmick to me maybe they can help not sure it's a cost effective way to do it but yea i would say forward say to dave from eevblog and let the man do the math.

@@dashtesla i dont think its gimmick i used my own city car as a model i found i have 3m2 of surface area if all of it was used to solar panels, i would get alot keep in mind that GHI is 4-5kwh/m2/day, i'm not talking about DNI which you can get with solar trackers, that may get you 6-7kwh/m2/day so with 3m3 x 4-5kwh/m2/day, and taking into account efficiency of 17%, you get 2kwh/day what you are talking about is peak power, but it doesnt matter when you're charging this car is perfect for touring, trips and camping if you get a +30km extra range each day during your trips, it have major economic implication to get between 10% and 100% extra range each day, depending on trip lengths

i even found out that you can get 60km/day range per day if you use hypermilling practices

@@zazugee Did you account for orientation? Only a small percentage of panels will face the sun. Up to 50% could be oriented away of the sun by 90°

It's an old i3 with solar panels stuck on it, You could literally build one yourself.

this car is 40,000 €, its dead on arrival. Tesla Model 3 is cheaper

@@robosergTV Another one writing BS beneath a lot of comments. a) The Tesla Model 3 is NOT cheaper. b) They communicated it in the public that the prototype is i3-based but the final production car will be different. c) This car is going to be around 26.000 Euros. Even if it gets 3.000 Euros more expensive, it will still be cheaper than the standard range Model 3.

At € 26000, it’s still a cheaply assembled car, compared to similar priced cars from real manufacturers. Also, pulling COP parts from third party manufacturers and depending on third party repair shops is a risky path to go. You might end up with an immobile solar powered paper weight in your back yard sooner than you think.

@@AriesT1 yea my bad, this car is 25k € with batteries. My bad

Ouch... While, basically every other manufacturer is bringing BEVs or HEVs to the market RIGHT NOW, OhNo Motors only seems to live on promises and old prototypes, representing the overpriced dream of a non-existing car. Fast development? Not here...

SaltyBrains I’d be VERY careful there. Easy to fall into the ‘slander’ category, and that comes with legal implications.

How much does it cost?

€ 25,500 (16,000 for the car + 9,500 for the ca. 35 kWh battery)

@@AhmetMurati €16,000

That really is a shame about the roof. Can't they offer it as an option? It's one of the best features.

Can you write me if you sell it down the line... I might make money until then 😉.

Let's hope it's RWD for Towing or even AWD for Snow & Ice Traction

@@barrygoldring1113 I wish too

@@barrygoldring1113 With electrics, AWD costs very little extra. You can scale the motors down by about a factor of 2 while doubling the number of them. CV joints from the motor to the wheel add very little loss. For a small car, the motors only need to be able to total up to about 30KW in constant use. The short term power can easily by 5 times that limited only by the motor getting too hot. If the electronics is smart, you get "traction control" basically for free. A wheel that beings to slip can have its torque reduced to stop the slipping.

@@barrygoldring1113 The motor will be FWD and supplied by Continental

It doesn't have the energy capacity for towing.

You might be the only one seeing the car already. It’s far from entering the market. They’re still trying to figure out the basics... while the real manufacturers are coming with better and affordable EVs.

Believe around late September or early October.

They needed sunshine for the solar panels.

Average day in south Germany, Sonos says.

Actually, the solar panels are able to produce 60+ km per day, if there was enough sun light. Keep in mind, the 30km were measured in germany.

@@1stSilence Germany can be a very sunny country in summer. Especially the Munich area. So 30km seems to be the highest possible daily recharge. Prototype 1 charged about 10 km by 1 pm. when we had our test drive near Frankfurt in 2017. On a sunny day.

@@AriesT1 The spec says, that the theoretical highest number is about 65 km per day. And as a german, i can tell you, there are countries with a LOT more sun, even in summer. _...Prototype 1 charged about 10 km by 1 pm. when we had our test drive near Frankfurt in 2017. On a sunny day...._ I don't know from where you have your "10 km by 1 pm". Be aware, that most of the data displayed in the car, is still fake, as the software is not implemented, yet. According to the measured data provided by Sono Motors, the average (over a year) is 15,7 km per day, in germany. Btw, i was at the test drive near Frankfurt, too. :)

@@1stSilence Well, we had some pretty sunny summers in the past two decades. GER - Na komm, wir haben schon sehr sonnige Sommer in letzter Zeit. Und ja, um 1 Uhr stand da auf dem Display um die 10 km Rückgewinnung. Dennoch erachte ich den massiven Hate in den Kommentaren hier für koordiniert. Das ist auffällig.

concept is actually the important word :D

Making our own power is a step in the right direction 😊

Dean Simmons kinda yes. Being able to share your exes power with who ever you like is still illegal in the uk. When that changes (it won’t) then that’s progress.

Well, happy driving your “concept” on a real road. :-)

an i3 with some solar panels glued to it is an "amazing concept"?

Thanks for being interested in E-Mobility. Sadly, the Sion doesn’t exist, but there’s plenty of better cars coming along, from professional manufacturers.

Maybe that’s one of the things that their naive customers ask all the time. “How does it move, I can see no horses attached...”

Apple

from the video it sounds like the panels might be adding some usable range if you have a short commute... of course, they've added a lot more panels than most companies looked at (iirc Tesla shot down the idea of putting solar on the roof - this has it on the roof, boot, doors, bonnet, etc).

Yes, 30 kilometers extra per day equals most people's daily commute, so many owners will never charge their Sono.

@@logicalChimp Not to mention that the car is very light and the power train is very efficient (I assume) too.

Jens Krabbe Looking at the panels 30 kilometers seem very unrealistic.

Maybe I am out of touch with new flexible solar however past research suggested that flexible solar panels have a short lifespan.

Yes, Butter the e Niro hast an output of 200 W, the Sion hast 3,5 kW

It would seem logical, but if not: you can always use the European standard outlet.

Yes, that's the thought behind it. It could also be used for V2G, but with a solar installation on the house roof it creates a complicated legal situation, at least on Germany.

It looks like a Chademo, which on the Leaf is a DC pass-thru. It's like jumper cables. The energy just goes to the weaker battery of the 2.

Don’t forget to blink, your eyes might dry out while waiting. :-)

It won't. It will be a catalyst for some ideas, maybe. Renault is coming with a 45hp EV SUV which makes this pile of crap instantly undesireable.

except in context, its NOT Volkswagen, its open-source printable replacement pieces

Bingo

Ah, I wanted to make this joke first! One month too late

Must feel good for the investors to know that they dont intend to make money! :)