Furtwängler, Edwin Fischer most lively: Brahms Piano Concerto No.2 live 1942.Special transfer

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8 жыл бұрын

Brahms Piano Concerto No.2 B Flat Major, Furtwängler, Berlin Philharmonic & Edwin Fischer 9th November 1942 live. This is one of the most famous of Wilhelm Furtwängler's war time recordings, and certainly a reference for the Brahms concerto.
I did my best to maintain the incredible energy and atmosphere of my source. ---- I 0:16, II 17:14, III 25:48, IV 38:16

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@LivingPast_GreatMusicians 8 жыл бұрын

As sometimes with live recordings of those years sound engineers reduced the recording level of the last movement (in addition to the "gain riding"). So you can increase volume a bit at the beginning of the fourth movement or the first forte at 39:05, if you like.

@erichall7068 11 күн бұрын

Thank you for going to the trouble of conserving and maintaining this masterpiece

@SebastianWill Жыл бұрын

I know this work inside-out. However, when listening to this recording, I feel like hearing a completely new piece in a very good way. I haven’t fully understood yet all the things that are better. But it is striking that they think in much longer melodic lines than usual. It is so pleasant to witness the architecture, the contrasts, and emotional power

@Vikingvideos50 2 жыл бұрын

Simply incredible. A gorgeous performance for the ages, mistakes and all.

@innocenzobarrera1505 2 жыл бұрын

Non si trovano parole per definire la superna bellezza di questa esecuzione ! ! !

@andresfcastanoescritor 6 жыл бұрын

Wunderbar. Eine grosse meisterwerke spielt mit Herz.

@JCTjia 3 жыл бұрын

Yesterday I listened to this concerto played by HJ Lim. It is very nice. But here both pianist and orchestra are shining. Goosebumps!!

@photo161 2 жыл бұрын

"...very nice..." The last words you would want to hear to describe a successful interpretation of such a work.

@elmiramuradova561 4 жыл бұрын

Great performance!!! Великолепное исполнение из слышанных мною ! Спасибо! Слушаю снова и снова. Браво оркестру. Браво Фуртвенглер!Браво Фишер!

@UteNeumerkel_RomanticClassics 8 жыл бұрын

Stunning performance, for sure the reference. Astonishingly rich sound and thus the possibility to really hear the most expressive and organic performing of both the orchestra and Edwin Fischer. So many touching nuances and power of the piano also. Many thanks for providing this great transfer!

@jean-christopheMiquel-ef3ur 2 жыл бұрын

Un travail remarquable de restitution sonore pour ce concert ,Ô combien mémorable !... Pour son talent , l'ingénieur du son doit être considéré comme un véritable artiste.Toutes nos félicitations !

@LivingPast_GreatMusicians 2 жыл бұрын

Merci beaucoup!

@flossie1961 4 жыл бұрын

Almost a perfect rendition, superb sound and the performance of your dreams, so very thank you sir

@annjeanmillikan Жыл бұрын

Fabulous performance, absolutely, in energy, powerful playing, gorgeous orchestra, the great intensity of Edwin Fischer's playing. Also, great photos of these magnificent musicians!

@MusikPiratCH 24 күн бұрын

Perhaps the most famous pupil of Edwin Fischer was the great Alfred Brendel! Furtwängler (according to Joachim Kaiser) was a great Brahms conductor! But Kaiser (and I fully agree) regards Furtwängler as the greatest conductor ever! Unfortunately Edwin Fischer's best years were gone at the time of this recording. Nevertheless he was one of the greatest pianists ever! 😍

@GoncalComellasYtb 7 жыл бұрын

Extraordinaria interpretación de este monumento brahmsiano. Romántica, vigorosa, apasionada, profunda , sensible. Emocionante. Gracias !!

@markmanning2545 Жыл бұрын

Every time I hear this concerto it closes my destiny.

@markmanning2545 4 жыл бұрын

This is like the stars coming to earth.

@Lorianotrentotto 6 жыл бұрын

Interpretazione perfetta, grazie soprattutto a Furtwängler, grandissimo direttore, forse il più grande.

@markmanning2545 3 жыл бұрын

These leaves fly with the passion of light.

@markmanning2545 5 жыл бұрын

This is a living breathing behemoth whose glories are scales and stars.

@markmanning2545 5 жыл бұрын

This music allows us to hear the stars.

@andrewkennaugh1065 4 жыл бұрын

Mark Manning That sounds as ridiculous as Eric Cantona's quote about the seagulls chasing the tuna fish,or some such nonsense...😊 How can we HEAR the stars?!😙 When did you last see your therapist...?! This is not a great performance in any case...harsh tone, heavily accented first beats...more than generous sprinkling of wrong notes...and they are the positives...😊

@laputa6464 4 жыл бұрын

@@andrewkennaugh1065 You are not serious are you?

@matthewzisi300 3 жыл бұрын

@@andrewkennaugh1065 I think I enjoyed the performance more than you did, but "hear the stars" - utter ridiculousness!

@JoseMedina-sv8uy 3 жыл бұрын

Muchas Gracias por compartir esta obra maestra, patrimonio de la humanidad.

@gfweis Ай бұрын

Wonderful transfer. Many thanks. Fischer & WF seem to be simpatico. For example, both find some accelerandos in this piece, to very good effect, that one doesn't typically hear. (Btw, both were born in 1886.)

@klausgotza3376 8 жыл бұрын

Phantastischer Klang! Können wir noch mehr erwarten?

@LivingPast_GreatMusicians 8 жыл бұрын

+Klaus Götza Danke für den Kommentar! Freut mich, dass Ihnen der Klang so gut gefällt. Es gibt noch viele Aufnahmen, die ich hochladen möchte. Aber es ist ein mühsames Geschäft, von alten analogen Quellen KZfaq-Videos zu produzieren, die eine echte Bereicherung darstellen. Und leider ist meine Zeit hierfür sehr begrenzt. Es wird also immer etwas dauern bis zum nächsten Musikvideo.

@MusikPiratCH 24 күн бұрын

@@LivingPast_GreatMusicians Dem Dank möchte ich mich gerne anschliessen! Hier kann ich sehr gut nachvollziehen, weshalb Joachim Kaiser (in seinem Video-Beitrag) so von Wilhelm Furtwängler (als grösster Dirigent aller Zeiten) schwärmt. Ein völlig mitreissendes 2. Brahms Klavierkonzert. Und das obwohl Edwin Fischer wohl schon seine besten Jahre hinter sich hatte. Nichtsdestotrotz gehört Edwin Fischer völlig zu Recht zu den grössten Pianisten des 20. Jahrhunderts!

@GDT908 6 жыл бұрын

Merci pour ce bel enregistrement.

@photo161 4 жыл бұрын

A performance of absolutely immense scope, unparalleled drama....

@truBador2 5 жыл бұрын

Great. They do serious justice to Brahms. Danke! You know, some heavenly bodies like the Moon and Mars do not have a magnetosphere and, like the Moon, do not even have the inner life of self rotation. Others, like the Earth, have powerful magnetospheres and spin like gyroscopes under their own internal dynamic, as a result having atmosphere that penetrate into their surrounding.

@mirceapetre 6 жыл бұрын

Fenomenala interpretare!!

@markmanning2545 3 жыл бұрын

These golden drops of language leave us acute.

@thomasenman8539 2 жыл бұрын

I have never heard a better performance,

@RaineriHakkarainen 2 жыл бұрын

NOT TRUE but Edwin Fischer number 3th Best Brahms concerto no 2 playing! The Best Brahms concerto no 2 players Are really 2: Grigory Sokolov With The Finnish Radio Symphony Orchestra video KZfaq from 1987! Sokolov The Best most beautiful piano sound Ever! Sokolov The most vital rhythmic Beat! Unbeatable vitalness!! Sokolov The most Titanic Ever! 2: Sviatoslav Richter with The Paris Orchestra conductor Lorin Maazel recording from.1969-1970! Richter The Big Genius playing Brahms piano concerto no 2! 3:Edwin Fischer from 1942! 4:Van Cliburn in Moscow in 1962! Why Van Cliburn because Van Cliburn better than The stiff Claudio Arrau! Van Cliburn better than The Mechanical Boring dull stiff machine player Ever Krystian Zimerman and his Bad awful Brahms piano concerto no 2 playing!! 5: Khatia Buniatishvili in 2008 in The finals of Rubinstein piano competition!! Khatia Buniatishvili The Real raw energy ever!!).

@SebastianWill Жыл бұрын

My previous favorite was Richter/Leinsdorf for its contrasts and power. Gilels/Jochum also amazing. But this Fischer/Furtwängler has contrasts and power and so much more. Love it

@markmanning2545 4 жыл бұрын

Brahms' embers are stars. They warm us from heaven.

@classicalsingermp3 6 жыл бұрын

A miracle!

@user-jr2ks4de2u 4 жыл бұрын

Beauty!!!

@dejanstevanic5408 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you.

@rodolfomonaco7926 4 жыл бұрын

Wunderbar!!!!!!!!

@michaelpaulsmith4619 6 жыл бұрын

A beautiful performance, unmatched in its depth of beauty and structure. Compare the opening horn solo tempo with the Toscanini/Horovitz performance which you'll find on here. Pianists are better now - that's just the way of things - and there are many fewer wrong notes. But the massive soul and heart of this concerto have never been so boldly expressed. Thank you so much for sharing it here.

@JCTjia 4 жыл бұрын

I think most pianists of today are just boring.

@JCTjia 4 жыл бұрын

Just as the conductors.

@stevesincock842 3 жыл бұрын

@@JCTjia agreed

@RaineriHakkarainen 2 жыл бұрын

The Best Brahms piano concerto no 2 players Are really Sviatoslav Richter with THE Paris Orchestra conductor Lorin Maazel! Grigory Sokolov Brahms piano concerto no 2 playing with The Finnish Radio Symphony Orchestra video KZfaq! Sokolov The Best piano sound! Sokolov The most vital rhythmic vitalness! Today We Have The amazing players like Grigory Sokolov Natalia Trull Alexei Lubimov Stanislav Igolinsky Murray Perahia and so! The Gramophone and The BBC music magazine sells The second-rated players! The top prizes goes to The most Boring players like Olli Mustonen Peter Donohoe Krystian Zimerman James Ehnes ( violin concerto prize) and so on!!

@kodalycat906 2 жыл бұрын

@@RaineriHakkarainen ugh

@nuevopianista 6 ай бұрын

PURA PERFECCIÓN SUBLIME

@profhennig 6 жыл бұрын

super, danke

@mirceapetre 6 жыл бұрын

Extaordinara interpretare

@pxtokarev 3 жыл бұрын

Wartime Berlin recordings have a strength hard to find in newer renditions.

@user-nj7oi1lt8c 4 жыл бұрын

フルトヴェングラーのオーケストラの音は、本当に有機体の呼吸のように「生きている」んだ。それがひしひしと感じられる。

@dianasitek3595 2 жыл бұрын

Beauty produced in the bowels of hell. You can hear its defiance and refusal to be defeated.

@bachopinbee5991 2 жыл бұрын

22:00 what a moment!

@user-ce2kx1rd4q 5 жыл бұрын

富特令人信服的演绎。乐队在他的指挥下表现出惊人的稳定、凝聚和灵活。

@LivingPast_GreatMusicians 8 жыл бұрын

Javier Gonzalez Camunas via Google+: Una maravilla!!!

@user-dt1jj2uw3k 3 жыл бұрын

素晴らしい！

@ProfDrislane 8 ай бұрын

Interesting to hear the vastly different approaches shown by conductor and pianist. Fischer sometimes engages in accentuations which disrupt the musical line, breaking it into smaller units, while Furtwängler consistently thinks in long lines, but allows for the details contained therein to be clearly heard..obviously this is a war-time performance, and a certain overbearing quality can be heard in a few places..

@palladin331 5 жыл бұрын

You included a photo of (presumably) the principal cellist. Please give us his name. Thanks.

@LivingPast_GreatMusicians 5 жыл бұрын

His name is Arthur Troester.

@palladin331 5 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@user-mq4rd5cf5s Жыл бұрын

Horowitz とABMを特に好きなPolliniが、特別に強い印象を与えてくれるこの録音は、どんな他のものにもまして重要です、と言う意味が判りました！

@sherinkrederdt7642 Жыл бұрын

genio Furtwangler dirigiendo al virtuoso Fischer sherin krederdt

@user-bx4mt5dz3w Жыл бұрын

What do you think about performance by Szell/Serkin ?

@gemeni0 4 жыл бұрын

круто

@montanamontana80 Ай бұрын

Cello: Arthur Troester

@user-zt6yb9he2y 4 жыл бұрын

ヨハネ・スブラームスピアノ協奏曲第２番ベルリン・フィルハーモニー交響楽演奏ウィルヘルム・フルトヴェングラー指揮大賛辞楽団指揮とビアノ演奏の格闘が起きるのです。どちらも強いがっぷり四つの両横綱です。ダニエルボイムの語る所によりますと、フルトヴェングラーは、他のヨーロッパの指揮者達を、遥かに超える存在であったようです。ビアノのフィッシャーも又、抜きん出ていたようです。この演奏を聴く前から既に、いいものはいいに決まっているのに違いないと信じて、よく聴きますと、それ以上の、予想だにもしない感動に、打ち震えるのです。擱筆

@selfunderstandingb8135 3 жыл бұрын

wasn't this the last recoding made in Philharmonic hall?

@LivingPast_GreatMusicians 3 жыл бұрын

The last concert there took place on 12 January 1944 with the violin concerto by Beethoven and Sinfonia domestica by Richard Strauss, both works were recorded.

@emanuelemantovani3627 5 жыл бұрын

Quando venni a sapere che Furtwängler era nazista,il mio cuore sì è infastidito;questo concerto,questa musica questa interpretazione(Fischer aveva la febbre ed in alcuni passaggi un ascoltatore preparato ne può percepire l'errore)mise a tacere ogni mio fastidio ,inchinandomi all'arte della musica,di una musica così divinamente interpretata,vissuta e messa a disposizione a noi mortali! Grazie alla vita e a chi non ha permesso che certi tesori non andassero persi.

@luciodemeio1 5 жыл бұрын

Furtwängler NON era nazista!!

@emanuelemantovani3627 4 жыл бұрын

Non era iscritto al partito nazista come Karajan,ha aiutato molti ebrei come fecero altri musicisti...ma Furtwängler mai si rifiutò di suonare per il Reich oppure mai rifiutò inviti e/o mancò ai ricevimenti dei nazisti; poco importa se fosse nazista o simpatizzante io mi godo la sua musica!

@luciodemeio1 4 жыл бұрын

@@emanuelemantovani3627 Sono quasi d'accordo. Al giorno d'oggi sono sfumature di scarsa rilevanza. Continuo a pensare, ad esempio, che Karajan fosse molto ma molto più opportunista di Furtwängler nei rapporti sia con il partito nazista che con il processo di denazificazione. Già: si parla ancora così tanto del processo di denazificazione di Furtwängler ma quello di Karajan non lo conosce nessuno!

@emanuelemantovani3627 4 жыл бұрын

@@luciodemeio1 prima di lui ci sono stati Toscanini e Furtwängler ma è con Karajan che è nato davvero il culto del direttore d'orchestra, l'officiante del rito. Ieri sera al festival di Salisburgo Muti ha diretto la Filarmonica di Vienna nella Messa fa Requiem di Verdi ....ed in memoria di chi? ...dei 30 anni dalla scomparsa di Karajan...!!!!! Grande Karajan? Forse grande per la sua direzione oppur ancor più grande come iniziatore di legami latenti con forti poteri e/o case discografiche? Sulla capacità di erbert di gestire musica ed orchestra che va dal virtuosismo al passionale nessuno lo mette in dubbio,....ma dove li mettiamo Celibidache, Harnoncourt,Gardiner,un non diplomato Pappano ed infine un Barenboim che ora in tarda età vuol ricoprire ,con prepotenza anziana,ogni ruolo e musica?... a presto Lucio.

@luciodemeio1 4 жыл бұрын

@@emanuelemantovani3627 C'è una frase famosa di Bruno Walter (il terzo grande con Toscanini e Furtwängler) diretta a Karajan e che la dice tutta: "You have to dig deeper into the score!".

@Bokgat 8 жыл бұрын

after the first bar

@terramia2849 5 жыл бұрын

TOSCANINI DOCET

@christiankircher369 8 жыл бұрын

un concerto de tout beauté dans une monde qui s' ecroule.... il faut voir cet enregistrement dans son context ou la musique servait dans le cadre de resistance aux epreuves largement soutenu par le gouvernement de Hitler ou un Goebbels dirigait la culture. C' est un document qui ne reflet pas l' esprit de Brahms comme d' autres enregistrements ne refletent pas l' esprit du compositeur. Il faut se mettre dans l' epoque ou ce concerto a été ecrit avec la société qui entourait Brahms pour aller au fond des pensées de Brahms. ?ais je pense Edwin Fischer approchait profondement cet esprit et cet enregistrement montre plutot une soirée subversif al encontre des intentions de Goebbels. Edwin Fischer etait un rocher incontournable a l' epoque. Mais je pose quand méme la question pour quel raison il est aller jouer a Berlin sous les bombes une epoque ou il residait en suisse. Peut etre pour soutenir ses collegues musiciens a Berlin ou pour soutenir ce qui restait de positiv dans cet allemagne perverti par un regime brutal.

@renato45222 7 жыл бұрын

@ChristianKircher: A Goebbels e a Hitler ci può pensare lei, adesso, 75 anni dopo quella fantastica sera. Generalmente, nessuno ha piena contezza della realtà storica nella quale si trova immerso, neanche Lei ha in questo momento, con tutta probabilità, ha consapevolezza della tragedia storica nella quale vive. Quella sera, Furwangler, Fischer e i Berliner pensavano esattamente a ciò cui dovevano pensare, vale a dire alla musica di Brahms. Una così esasperata attenzione a quella realtà storica evidenzia che Lei - mi ripeto - non ha la più pallida idea di quale sia la situazione corrente che tutti viviamo. Comunque lo spirito e la lettera di Brahms in questa esecuzione - che mi riempie di entusiasmo e commozione dopo oltre 40 anni di ascolti - sono meravigliosamente penetrati, in un modo, forse, che mai più sarà ripetibile.

@renato45222 7 жыл бұрын

@ChristianKircher: Guardi che il regime che oggi ci sovrasta NON E' MENO BRUTALE DEL NAZISMO HITLERIANO, LO E' FORSE DI PIU'. E guardi che il sottoscritto è marxiano (ed hegeliano) di formazione.

@enricoricciardi6401 7 жыл бұрын

condivido in pieno, ed il sottoscritto non e' neanche marxiano, odio semplicemente ogni assurdo tentativo di minimizzare ed offuscare le irripetibili esecuzioni di Furtwangler degli anni della guerra solo perche' Goebbels ha tossito alla Alte Philarmonie.....

@renato45222 7 жыл бұрын

@EnricoRicciardi: Bravo, condivido pienamente. Non avremo più interpreti della statura artistica di Wilhelm Furtwangler. Nessuno poteva essere nella sua testa e conoscere il motivo, o i motivi, della sua permanenza in Germania. Ma, tengo a sottolinearlo, QUALSIASI motivo lo avesse indotto a rimanere e a far musica in Germania, NON SCALFIREBBE MINIMAMENTE LA SUA GENIALITA' STORICAMENTE UNICA DI INTERPRETE. Una volta per tutte. Sempre la paranoia di fascismi, comunismi, nazismi, per allontanare la conoscenza della realtà, molto più infame, che ci circonda.

@bjknobel 4 жыл бұрын

Always the brainworm and double standard. By this standard, we can't acknowledge Leonard Bernstein because of US atrocities in Viet Nam ( www.currentaffairs.org/2018/07/what-we-did ) or Thomas Beecham or George Malcolm because of British atrocities in Kenya and Malaysia and maybe a hundred other colonial conquests ( www.theguardian.com/news/2016/aug/18/uncovering-truth-british-empire-caroline-elkins-mau-mau ). The only difference is that the institutions in the US and UK that employed the ghouls who perpetrated these atrocities are still running the place.

@josephlaredo5272 6 жыл бұрын

"Pianists are better now - that's just the way of things" says Michael Paul Smith. Are they!? I've just listened to Myra Hess's recording of Beethoven's Op. 109, made in 1953, and her pianism outclasses that of any modern pianist you may care to mention. And what about Solomon and Richter and Grainger and Ginzburg and Marcelle Meyer and ... I could go on for inches? No, I'm sorry to say that E. Fischer simply wasn't up to playing this concerto, one of the most difficult and demanding in the repertoire, and it shows cruelly here. There's hardly a bar without a fluff or a smudge. I'm no stickler for technical perfection, but this is impossible to enjoy. Sorry, guys! Emanuel Ax for me any day in these concertos. Thanks for posting, though. Oh, and the orchestra is superb!

@JoePalau 5 жыл бұрын

Joseph Laredo Your POV has merit. For me the “music making” found in the recording of a live concert capture the living spirit of Brahms.

@steve.schatz 5 жыл бұрын

I'm glad it isn't just me being hyper critical. I guess Fischer was best known for Bach and Mozart.

@nicolasgerber9616 4 жыл бұрын

It is not by chance that Fischer was Furtwängler's favorite pianist. I have never come across of any other interpretation of Brahms 2 of a similar richness and depth. Try to overhear wrong notes, rather go for energy, colors, poetry, vision.

@laputa6464 4 жыл бұрын

@Joseph Laredo Emmanuel Ax himself would be shocked to find himself mentioned in the same breath as Fischer.

@matthewzisi300 3 жыл бұрын

I've heard both (Ax live in this, as a matter of fact), and I thought they both did a fine job!

@ransomcoates546 3 жыл бұрын

It’s magnificent, but Fischer does play many wrong notes.

@simonalbrecht9435 3 жыл бұрын

Who gives a ****? Being too concerned with avoiding mistakes is the exact thing that makes it impossible to achieve such deeply meaningful and wondrous music making as these people achieved.

@ransomcoates546 3 жыл бұрын

@@simonalbrecht9435 But the basic question remains. These older pianists were vastly more talented than today’s machine-like conservatory students who can play Liszt without a single mistake. Why were the real greats not motivated to bring their technique to the level of their talent?

@simonalbrecht9435 3 жыл бұрын

@@ransomcoates546 There are different kinds of talent, and there are different ways of practising and becoming a musician. I don't know what kind of life Edwin Fischer led, but obviously he had other priorities than mere technical perfection.

@ransomcoates546 3 жыл бұрын

@@simonalbrecht9435 Maybe it’s to Daniil Trifonov’s credit that many of his most inspired performances are by no means note-perfect.

@thomasenman8539 6 ай бұрын

What a shame that a great pianist can be proven to be human.

@peterhelbich3334 7 жыл бұрын

this is gods music..........brahms was not an atheist........no great music was ever composed by an atheist........facts and love from vienna austria .........where it all began, haydn, mozart, beethoven, schubert etc.............

@alexreik424 6 жыл бұрын

HELLBENT: "it all began" long before Austria even existed...and by what in today's guidelines would be considered atheists; so go take a music 101 beginner's class, ignoramus.... and cut the religious bullshit

@erzengel3517 6 жыл бұрын

Laughable comment. You might just as well say no worthwhile music was written by a theist, with the possible exception of J.S. Bach. The titans Brahms, Furtwängler and Fischer all *exist*, for us to idolize them, or not. They will live for ever. As for your superstitions, they are here today, and gone... already.

@naiadeforta 5 жыл бұрын

The self-righteousness of religious nutters really knows no bounds. Last week I heard one of these crazy people state that atheists are not really atheists, they just pretend that to themselves. How preposterous and arrogant can you get?

@florianwalch5639 4 жыл бұрын

Actually, Brahms WAS an atheist. Dvorak - deeply religious as he was - held the same prejudice you did; he was horrified that his greatest living idol "did not believe in anything". Schubert, for what it's worth, also consciously refused to set to music some of the dogmatically Catholic lines of the mass ordinary.

@andrewkennaugh1065 4 жыл бұрын

Peter Helbich ... Did you forget to take your medication today...?😙

@Fritz_Maisenbacher 7 жыл бұрын

Offensichtlich waren zu dieser Zeit die zwei in höchster Form .... wie das deutsche Heer ??

@berlinzerberus 6 жыл бұрын

Lol

@douglasdickerson5184 Жыл бұрын

Boring

@dmitrybogdanov702 4 жыл бұрын

Замечательный оркестр и посредственный пианист: прямолинейная напористость с техническим браком

@Bokgat 8 жыл бұрын

You can always tell a good from bad pianist after the bar and true to form this one blundered through with the sensitivity of a plank. Even Lang Lang could have done better, they have video nowadays

@nevskixx 6 жыл бұрын

Not to disparage Lang lang or anyone,Oliver but this is music making of the highest order.