Wow this article is practically unrecognizable from where it was at on the old wiki. Really smart people propelling this so much farther than the old homebringer tech!

I want a magic system built this way intentionally

they literally made a coding language and let people figure it out

Like in any other game with some big speedrunning history

​@@d301cicada no but he has a point, wand tinkering has lots of common things with coding, in fact i would say it's a few spells away from being turing complete (not the turing test done to AIs, that's a different thing)

There's this thing called esoteric programming languages where you code using colors, shapes, sounds, emoticons etc. Noita spells are proud member of that group.

It's playing just at a high level, many examples of it exists in all kinds of games with complexities, u not really wrong tho :l

You've gotta wonder if it's even a glitch or not.

Yeah, that's from Finnish mythology. If you're interested in that stuff you can read Kalevala.

The egg carried the world over from a previous run

@@xiutecuhtli15 It fits too perfectly

This cracks me up more than it should.

best comment i have ever seen about this game just so you know i am stealing this quote

@@stevensmith4813 Truths are not stolen they are discovered.

The craziest thing is that I wouldn't even be surprised

Doom and Noita are both two-dimensional games...

"your spell is great and all, but can it run doom?"

Technically you can already do this now! They have a mod that adds dooms weapons and health restores. (Ends up being a lot of padding without being able to disable.) Next, they have a first person mod. All controls are still the same so it feels weird, but first person none the less.

​@@renstal7638no friend they meant like, somebody making a spell that lets you play doom

Also, people in the comments saying "Noita is basically programming at this point" -- creating spells always has been programming. It's just done visually rather than with language. I wouldn't be surprised if Noita was Turing complete, given you can summon entities (to store data), and trigger on certain conditions.

​@@TheKd8lvti kinda wonder if you can make legit covers with note spells

@@TheKd8lvt Noita is like programming, but you can't test things. If you made an error in a program, it won't run or will work incorrectly, but you can fix it. If you made an error in a spell, it can end your run.

@@TheKd8lvt It is Turing complete. Proving that is tedious, but the naive demonstration is that certain combinations of spells and spell modifiers particularly meta slots like Alpha or Omega will simply crash the game; the crashes can be done on demand deterministically with the same sequence of slots; this happens because certain combinations of slots are undecidable or non-computable and do not halt and simply loop asymptotically close to infinitely. There's some minimum number of slots necessary and certain combinations slots which will allow us to express Turing-complete/many-to-one-reducible expressions setting the game into a deterministic non-halting state or a loop. Though it is somewhat hard to distinguish these combinations from those which simply spam the computer with an exponentially growing number of entities or events such that the game slows down or freezes in a blink of an eye because the spell expression is intractable rather than non-computable. But the existence of the exponential wands that slow or crash the computer is indicative of Turing-completeness or at least semi-decidability; strictly decidable formal wand languages wouldn't be able to express exponentials, recurrence relations, predict functors, or quantifiers. We could in theory classify or categorize the subsets of wand slot combinations into propositional vs at least first order predicate wand languages. First order predicate logic equivalent wand languages would be recursively enumerable languages and Turing-complete. The ability to quantify over spells and wands themselves is the key behavior together with some kind of functional completeness of the propositional wand language. There's theoretically some combination of slots which are themselves functionally complete subsets of the wand language and equivalent to the whole of the propositional fragment of the whole Noita wand language (equivalent in some sense to Noita itself).

To explain the "game crashes therefore Turing completeness is demonstrated" involves understanding how strictly finite-state logical or programmatic expressions have upper and lower bounds, and how the operations necessary for Turing completeness involves being able to include the boundaries of arbitrary finite-state-logical or programmatic expressions as expressions in the language; this allows an escape from the finite boundaries and gives us the more general form of the countable boundedness; countable boundedness and locality are the two conditions necessary for Turing completeness. What this ends up meaning is that whatever the finite-state limitations or bounds are on Noita that normally keep it from just crashing can be escaped by the use of certain wand sequences. The ability to write a "quit the program" sequence in the wands gives us evidence of Turing completeness.

Who do you think published the original video?

I'm wondering the exact same... I'm sure that there have been lots of discoveries by the community that the devs never thought of (world tele, heart mage abuse, perk duping etc) but that just goes to show how deep the sand box goes that they created. As a hobby game developer I'm amazed and shocked by the depth of the game. Hats off to the Nolla Games crew and shoutout from a fellow Finn! :) Also big thanks for you Fury for the on point Noita content

Considering it is a 56 slot wand when the max is 26, no, they did not know this could happen If it was a 26 slot build then they probably imagined something like that could be made

@@gerickollarena max spell slots is 77.

@@Drankoii Is it? I never found a wand above 26 capacity and the extra capacity perk can only increase the slots up to 26 So I assume that normal wands have a max of 26 Is the 77 slot wand a special secret wand?

Lol ong, a newbie could watch that 2 second clip over and over thousands of times and never guess a single spoiler correctly lol its impressive how confusing this game is while still being fun

The 71 hours run being the bare minimum to be able to start preparing for the 2 seconds run

​@@ennou1236actually no bc you physically cant get the wand required legitimately, psure the maximum spell slots on a wand is like 50 unless im thinking of a different game

@@surr3ald3sign apparently, tier 6 wands have a "max" of 61 capacity and tier 10 have a "max" of 77, so it comes down to "luck", you will need to find a 56 or more capacity wand without a pesky always cast holding fewer spells than the maximum the ui can let you interact so you can empty it, I believe the "only" not luck only way to have such wand generated is to either "save scum" tiny infinite nightmare mode hell Or pray to rngesus

@@surr3ald3sign 67

​@@surr3ald3signit's possible to get wands with a capacity that's higher than normal in nightmare mode, although I'm not certain if it's possible to get a 56 slot wand

"Reverse noita'd" is going straight into my vocabualry...

I got the reference hahahah

is this about mario 64?

@@samuelesanfilippo222 Yep, it's a classic

@@CHubas07 ahhh ok, i felt i heard that one

I've seen that video like 3 times. gold

Hehe, I can't wait ;)

Not that I'm complaining

EXPLAINED

lol

:P

It's like the palace invasion in Hunter x Hunter. A couple minutes of action on-screen, but a full season of episodes to explain everything that happens and why. It is worth every second of watching.

You totally can build it without mods. You just can't carry all the spells at once. The mod just cut down on time, pretty much.

Well, then you'll be pleasantly surprised because: - A person named pudy made a seed searcher for high capacity wands so it is possible to actually get a wand like that in a real run - Fury talked about using Spell Lab to insert spells but by modifying your config file you can change the UI size which makes it possible to actually see and edit the whole wand So theoretically you could make it in a real run :D

@@noby_y If you have to externally modify your game (editing config files) to do it then you can't do it vanilla.

I see, cool to know then. :D

@@Alan-hs1lw I don't consider modifying your default config file as "not vanilla", but you do you

First, it's *not* competitive. This is purely a showcase of the insane possibilities of this game. This video is meant as a "guide" to show others how to do it, if they are so inclined. 1.) Currently on speedrun.com, we do not have any submissions for "egg meta" runs. We've already voted, though, and if people *are* interested in running with this glitch, then we'd make entirely new categories for them *and* the set-up run would count for a couple of the categories. 2.) It can. The mod is not necessary because it's possible to find wands with this many slots, albeit extremely rare naturally. You'd basically have to use a seed in order to find one naturally *or* you'd need to farm Great Treasure Chests or boss kills (Tiny) in order to get one. Seed: 658572190 has a 50 capacity wand in the final HM. The build I used in this video has already been optimized (it was done before I finished this video, actually) and it only uses 42 slots now, for a faster win :D We're all waiting on Alias's video on that. 3.) Already answered. It abuses a glitch to carry spells from one run into another, but the mod is not necessary. I only used the mod to cut down on time and show people how to "easily" build the spell loadout. You can just shift+click onto a naturally-found high-slot wand to build it. Ofc, very carefully. It's not competitive (yet) because we're just doing science, basically. Testing what is possible. No one who is messing around with this really cares about the competitive part of speedrunning. Anyway, hopefully that answered everything. Have a nice day!

I was mistaken on thinking it was competitive, then. My apologies for that. Personally, I’d love to see a “pre-egg” run, as it would probably help a ton in understanding a bunch of different mechanics about the game, and messing around with different mechanics and builds is probably my favorite part of this game. I also didn’t realize that wands with that much capacity actually exist, so now I know. I can’t wait to see a more optimized build! This game is crazy! I believe that answered everything. You have a great day as well!

No apology necessary!

True! Although, somebody has already made a better wand that allows a “much” faster victory. We’ll have to wait for his video, lol

@@FuryForged I'd like to know who and be notified of when/if they post. Thank you.

@@KAClown I'm not at liberty to reveal that yet, but they are a prominent member of the community who posts videos on YT and streams on Twitch.

Lol. That happened to me on my third or 4th run. Had absolutely no idea how it happened and it took like 20 hours to make it that far again.

Noita is the greatest exactly for this reason. So much potential

2 Fast 2 Fury

Haha! I tried!

If you want to just make your own wand, then you can use cheatGUI. It'll allow you to set exactly how many slots you want, etc.

oh perfect thank you

You are very correct. I didn't mean to imply that using a mod was necessary. I sort-of maybe misspoke in the video. I was trying to mix together a "look at this craziness" type of video with a tutorial and how-to video. I used the mod in order to present the easiest way for people to repeat this for themselves. I wish I would have said that, but it is what it is. i.e. the mod was just to be able to do it quickly and easily for video so that people can maybe also do it quickly and easily.

Eggs to Power.

It is already a completely separate category. I don't think anyone who runs this game actually would *want* the egg runs to be considered in any of the preexisting categories. I don't even want the sampo chest seeds to count towards the any% leaderboards, but it's too late for that.

@@FuryForged Ah, my bad. I only remember it was still undecided the last time you talked about this. Guess I should have bothered to actually check before saying anything.

@@pbjandahighfive No-no, it's all good! Don't worry about it.

i assume that you just get teleported before it becomes deadly

Well, this is a run abusing a very interesting mechanic having to do with the game's memory unloading. The mod I used to build the wand was just to cut down on time for the video (and for other people who might want to make the wand as easily as possible.) It's actually not needed at all. I maybe should have mentioned that, but it is what it is. i.e. I uploaded this video not as a speedrun, but as a guide for others, so I showed the mod as a way of saying, "this is how you can easily do this." without caring about anything else. There is a very rare chance to actually obtain a wand with that many slots. The mod's purpose was only to more-easily build the loadout. Basically, convenience for the viewer. Be that as it may, none of us in the speedrunning community would want these "egg" runs to actually compete in any other categories. For any% random seed, the current WR is: 2m23s - and for seeded, it's 15s. Noita is a game that has a lot of interesting speedrunning categories, though, because of insane tech we find like *bringing spells from one run to the next using hollow eggs.* There is even an official category called "overfed" that ranks players who overeat and die the fastest in the game :)

@@FuryForged thanks for all the extra details. Good to know a lot can get gotten without mods and they were used just showcase what's possible. One thing that I'm confused about, how did you start the run with a wand That has all those spells? That's not a glitch so is it?

It must be late. I just remembered the entire point was to get the spells into the double egg package. Nevermind.

@@Kaltinril you do a run first, gather everything you need, then you can bring the wand loadout across to an entirely new save using the eggs.

Excellent