I would like to see based or adventure tenyi

Releaser Dragun OCG 2020 with Maxx C Linkross and Link Crystron.

Purrely would be cool

Cyberse Eldlich!

Some sort of Eldlich variant could be cool. Like synchro eldlich with Jet synchron

the last game wasn't close but yes

Keeping swoso off of vanillas is always the correct play because of the tenyi half of the deck, unless they have monk and shtana specifically, but the tokens can't be revived

Yeah. I caught that too. Big big misplay

Was about to write that. Even if he didn't know about Shtana, there was a circle in the grave, so if you pop the token, he cant activate it, and you save the ash. The swordsoul game was very winnable, the MoYe pop was a huge punt.

@@arielgomes7989he knew about the tenyi. The opponent has to reveal for mo ye.

Ahead of its time as in, the extra draws didn't matter because the end board was the same either way, and having multiple hand traps is STILL mid because combo decks now can end of more than a pop and still have multiple hand traps. Those fusion sub draws would be INSANE today, not so much in 2017, compared to modern decks

I mean the deck doesn't even use any modern cards. You think it would end on a pop. It can make an easy apollousa with 4 negates. It can cycle with emerald and 3 pot of avarice. As being small enough to hold insane amount of tech.

@@sasuke11457 I mean, that's kinda my point. The deck is so powerful that none of cards in 2017 really do anything for it. Imagine have a draw 4 engine and hoping you draw into solemn strike. Deck would be amazing nowadays, but wouldn't even remotely resemble the lists and combos from 2017 except Maybe the draw 4.

​@@jthememeking tbh the draw 4 part isn't necessarily as good now, sure non engine gets better, but having to play 2 emerals for random draws isn't better than like a udf package, ip into sp or apo Using a single rat to go for udf + drident + 2 random draws seems stronger than 4 random draws and a weaker field, and ofc more extension like barrage or starting with terrortop could make even stronger stuff, like boards with apo or ip Also you can end on all the stuff from above besides the draws while playing shifter in the deck, so in theory modern fusion zub zoo is just xyz snake eye except with less follow up, but with more resiliency to hand traps and the ability to play shifter

Modern full power zoo would be super nasty just because of the exploits you could do with triple rat not being OPT. It would be a wild link enabler. You are right, more than likely it would just be an engine to facilitate link or R4NK plays. But it would be the nastiest engine of all time. I'm sure someone could cook up an easy +10 combo nowadays.

Yup, typical tier 0 format where decks counter the other tier 0 (same) deck..

Also if the cards were legal today you'd have better lines to go into. If zoo got everything back it'd still be a meta deck in the current format but the deck lists would look completely different.

Zoo can easily play through most hand traps, besides nib and other stuff that removes their monsters from the field, which is why ogre is present in this list (and maxx c is an issue ofc)

If we had Nib back then you would just play it like 2 years or so ago as a going 2nd deck that relies on Zeus, or some sort of combopile to make Apo on the 5th summon. This engine is still one of the best engines ever created imo.

@@Kill1o5 it is the best engine that was created, imo. The amount of stuff that you can do with 1 rat - provided that the broadbull is unbanned - is too much for a lot of decks to handle today, provided that you support zoo with modern day support. The problem of 2017 fusion sub zoo is that it does what all modern decks do: spam the board with bodies and make big board. It was tier 0 back in 2017 but nothing new anymore, plus all the techs that people run today destroy sub zoo I guess it is same with a lot of tier 0 decks in yugioh history when compared to today.

lose to just 1 nibiru or zeus during Pend summon unfortunately (watch Bird-up vs Pepe C.b.c. 2022)

Which build specificaly?

@@Lithium2300 that's the tricky part, imo the bystial version played during tesr format is nice nice, but fusion pile seems to be better also gimmick

​@@Lithium2300 post quem most likely (was it CYAC)?

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​@@Lithium2300 Gimmick Lock

Funnily enough Zoo used to be strong because of these exact reasons. It utilized the (at the time) broken staples like Ash Blossom, Solemn Strike, Raigeki, etc. the best, since the deck core really wasn't that big (except for the extra) and had lots of space for the actual good stuff. It's just that we have more broken staples now than in 2017 so by comparison it looks like garbage. Take this exact list, but replace all the generic cards with staples from today and the difference would be night and day.

Even had Drident pop, 2 chalice and imperial order, Which was ALL done through 2 handtraps 😂😂 (Havnis and Kelbek)

Deck is straight cheeks now 😢😂

No, if you put modern staples in the zoo deck, it would be the best deck by far.

@@americafromsam1674it would still get cucked by a single nibiru lol

​@@americafromsam1674 definitely not "the best deck by far" but staples really do make a difference, ogre and my body as a shield are so....

Lmao you know nothing. Zoo would annihilate most of these decks today. These matches are just played like ass. I mean no dweller against tear ? Normal ratpier plays through a 4 mat apo and a savage without the need for Zeus. You would end on Drident, dweller and f0 out of a single card even through multiple handtraps. Outside of nib there are no handtraps that are good against zoodiac.

We’re doing better 😄👍

@@Lithium2300 So happy to hear that

Really? 😅🙏

​@@Lithium2300 It's a different mechanic to the other decks 🤔

@@Lithium2300 please!

Tbh more recent one card combos aren't really that much better, if at all Like sure, snake eye ash, a prank kid, kashtira unicorn or even tour guide in unchained can create powerful boards, but they're also weaker to hand traps and/or have less starters, and have more telegraphed boards whereas zoo doesn't always have to do the same thing

Kash ans tear don't play much non engine so they had a good chance there, especially as all of zoo's non engine besides my body is useful in the kash matchup And snake eye can't really break boards, they rely on hand trapping the opponent, and saw no hand traps here It was mostly unlucky draws and nib/talents that was cooking zoo here

Gotta clarify though, unhit the zoo cards Norden and Invoker then toss them into the current card pool, I think it’ll hold up pretty dang well

@@lunadachi4792 oh 1000%. it will be a link spam deck. If you can, try zoo brigade with full power zoo cards, it is broken

It'd also provide an interesting challenge to mid-era decks when it comes to siding -- do they side for the retro bracket they're on to consistently get to the lategame, or try to high roll and side exclusively for the back half if they make it to the top cut against modern decks?

Basically, you are suggesting to create an imaginary format, for imaginary decks that never existed and probably never will. That's not what cross ban list means. Ban list and cardpools define Yu-Gi-Oh decks.

@@sejotejerina3732 they aren't saying to update the cardpools, they're saying custom main/side decks should be built with the engine from a deck's era

@@sejotejerina3732 I’m literally suggesting they use each individual banlist and cardpool, just build each deck from the ground up so it’s not running useless cards again more modern decks. Like rather than play an exact deck list from 2010, use the same cardpool to build a new tweaked deck with better ratios and a better sideboard.

I think because of the spells he already had

@@petiteexplication6249 umh, yeah didn't think about the chalice

LMAO

norden is an amazing super poly target while rat is just a 1 card UFD+extra materials for whatever you want so no

Note that we're looking at a deck with a 2017 cardpool that has up to 11 dead cards in the main because it was made for the mirror and heavily relies on non engine Some example boards a single rat could make by herself with 2024 cards would be udf + ip/sp, or udf + drident + 2 draws, or drident + hammerkong + ip For referance snake eye ash by itself gets you to a 3 mat apo + ip + princess, pretty similar board, however zoo is better at playing through common hand traps (ash, veiler, imperm), can have less telegraphed boards because the extra deck can be built in many ways, has no real garnets and can play shifter

Agree but Snake Eye Ash gets you a titanic galaxy along with flamberge+I:P/2matAppo/Princess in modern lines. This is a fair bit better than the rat lines but I also think the Rat lines you listed are fairly suboptimal since UFD does not provide Appo with battle protection the way Titanic does. (Response to andrev)

@@potatoexe5410 if u use norden as super poly target he's just a worse muddragon and u need to commit to many main and extra deck slots to make it more than just a rogue option

If they used a list that wasn't made for the mirror, like this one which is on up to 11 dead cards in the main, they'd do much better, even with a 2017 cardpool

Broadbull and norden should probably stay banned forever, not only are they insanely powerful, but they also limit card design

Barrage and Drident can come back just fine. Maybe Ratpier as well. Broadbull gotta stay gone forever.

Broadbull and Norden are so outdated. Norden is only good because of instant fusion. Zoodiacs as an architype are so past there prime.

I thought Konami made some pretty dumb banlist choices, but holy shit, saying "Broabull doesn't need to be banned anymore" definitely takes the cake

What can broadbull realistically do? Search a zoodiac maybe a Fraktall and then it dies to nib.

Not broadbull.

It was the best deck in no banlist formats until tearlament from the tournaments that were played. Modern full power Zoo would be able to take advantage of modern staples and Zeus (though it would probably be tier 1 at best, deck is basically just slightly worse snake eye/Melo)

@@andleepfarooqui7874 it's not necessarily worse than snake eye, it ends on similar boards off of 1 card, has an easier time playing through most hand traps, and can play shifter, the only worse thing is the grind game Snake eye never reached tier 0 though, and ishtear only held it for 3/8 ycs events they were at full power for, it's basically impossible for modern decks to be tier 0 Mostly thanks to formats often being very diverse with many contending decks, especially since the later half of 2023, so with that in mind, even if zoo is in theory slightly stronger than snake eye, they likely wouldn't be tier 0 or if they were to reach it then they wouldn't be able to maintain it for long Side note zoo barely benefits from a no banlist format since they only really get to use the power spells everyone else can and maybe some newer extra deck monsters Tear on the other hand gets to use lavalval chain, azathot and shock master that can be easier to make with 3 instant fusion and norden funnily enough, while dragon link gets to use all the guardragons and victory dragon with the ocg surrender rules Tbh it's quite impressive that the zoo engine, with extra decks looking just adding udf and zeus for the most part, and the rest being hand traps and PoG/graceful, can make them a top 3 deck in such a crazy format with every other deck having so many broken extra deck options

@@andrejv.2834 In the other comment I replied to you in, I pointed out that you forgot the Number 38: Hope Harbinger Titanic Galaxy in pure Snake-Eyes board. In the past this would be Baronne + random draw. I agree that Zoo is more robust to HT than Snake-Eye but the end board you described off one Rat is weaker. I haven't really labbed out no-hit Zoodiac in detail so it's very possible that you have a superior end board. That said, Snake-Eye has won every YCS since its release.

​​@@andleepfarooqui7874 you can't end on hope harb without diabellstar and the sinful spoils cards, you need selene's revive effect for that and ash doesn't get you enough spells for the counters What board is stronger depends though, sp triggers on a new chain after being summoned by ip so her banish could be weaker than drident who can pop immediately, and udf's steal effect could be stronger than apo, but again, depends on the deck Both of these boards are extremely hard to break so which is stronger isn't too relevant, my point is that if snake eye can have 45%+ representation there's no reason for why zoo couldn't if we replaced snake eye with them, as pure zoo does very similar things

Snake eye isn't beating strike + chalice anyway, with or without the drident/dweller/totem bird The deck isn't the best at going 2nd through established boards Same for kashtira, they can't really go 2nd well into this zoo list because funnily enough, zoo's generic non engine (besides my body) is actually pretty good against kash

Not brodbull

I mean the zoo engine + udf/zeus/power spells is able to hold it's own against ishtear with azathot, shock master, norden and lavalval chain, dragon link with victory dragon and every broken link combo piece they'd ever want, like halq, linkross and every guardragon I don't really like using no banlist stuff to talk about decks, however looking at these results, the zoo archetype is certainly one of the strongest, if not the strongest ever, and with a modern cardpool would be the best deck, or close to it in any given format

@@andrejv.2834 riiiiight keep coping little bro

@@vehicledestroyer is anything I said false?

@@andrejv.2834 all you did was post about the singular no ban list event that was held where victory dragon was the clear favorite. Crazy how zoo was so good but it got waxed by so many other decks in this video 🤔

@@vehicledestroyer there have been multiple no banlist tournaments though

Clearly not anymore💀

@@wrathvarean2549 true, they were being silly and gimmicky doing all that nonsense