G&L Tribute ASAT Classic - Innovating the Classic T-Style Guitar!

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» 0:00 Intro Jam
» 2:00 What Are We Looking at Today?
» 7:40 What Do They Sound Like?
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» 14:22 Final Overview
» 17:30 Outro Jam
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@chrisaaron7755
@chrisaaron7755 6 жыл бұрын
I bought the exact guitar Pete is playing! Not gonna lie, got a little excited when he read out the serial number. Now all I have to do is play it a well as the great Danish..
@DeadHandBlues
@DeadHandBlues 6 жыл бұрын
How to sell gear 1. Get Pete to demo it 2. 3. Profit
@JKM395
@JKM395 6 жыл бұрын
Dead Hand Blues It’s not quite fair to have Pete as your demo guy. He can make anything sound good!
@JKM395
@JKM395 6 жыл бұрын
Gaius Flaminius DP is always epic.
@perrexaGZ
@perrexaGZ 6 жыл бұрын
You couldn´t say better. Every time I hear this guy I feel the obligation to play guitar
@torzsokszilveszter2444
@torzsokszilveszter2444 6 жыл бұрын
Don't let Chapman near it :D
@Fektthis
@Fektthis 6 жыл бұрын
Yeah, how could that guy ever know how to sell gear. It's not like he started his own guitar company which currently employs dozens if not hundreds of people and makes a living do that. Jeez that would just be silly. Oh and exactly what he really does do....... Does Pete have his own guitar company? I love Pete but come on now. You're just being a hater at this point. Final point and perhaps some of the Anderton's staff could help on this. I'm fairly certain a large part of the reason this channel exists at all in it's current form and popularity has a whole lot to do with Rob Chapman. You can like one guy without trying to diss another guy. That is the worse kind of person to run across. You see them all the time talking to women. You can't build yourself up so you tear down someone else they like instead. Clownish.
@lemov1554
@lemov1554 6 жыл бұрын
This is not the greatest g&l in the world, this is just a tribute
@emanhacker
@emanhacker 5 жыл бұрын
Leo Sauer ba dum tsssss
@criticaltheist3992
@criticaltheist3992 3 жыл бұрын
You gotta believe me
@multipipi1234
@multipipi1234 3 жыл бұрын
Oh its only a tribute. Well I wish I had this guitar back in the 60s.
@Jason-oq6wh
@Jason-oq6wh 3 жыл бұрын
Not often a comment makes me smile haha
@sambenton45
@sambenton45 2 жыл бұрын
i own one and honestly it's my constant companion. my american s-500 and les Paul are gathering dust
@Ali-fl5mb
@Ali-fl5mb 6 жыл бұрын
Incredible playing from Pete as usual, what a ridiculously talented dude.
@jeremyharris4021
@jeremyharris4021 4 жыл бұрын
Love the Asshats. The guitars are nice as well. I'll see myself out...
@sirrobert23
@sirrobert23 4 жыл бұрын
i support that joke
@thebadramen6609
@thebadramen6609 4 жыл бұрын
Put a smile on my face see your self back in
@intrsoul
@intrsoul 6 жыл бұрын
Listening to Pete play should qualify as therapy - it instantly puts me in a good mood and helos me forget about the voices in my head. If only for a moment.
@provenelk
@provenelk 6 жыл бұрын
I’d like to see a shoot out between one of these, a Classic Vibe and a MIM standard. Would be an interesting comparison seeing as they are all in roughly the same price range.
@julianfp1952
@julianfp1952 6 жыл бұрын
That’s a really, really good idea.
@SSEF15
@SSEF15 6 жыл бұрын
The Mim is easily £150 on top of the sale price on this ASAT, the Fender modern players would be a fairer comparison even though they’ve got weird pickup configurations.
@Lucky13vwr
@Lucky13vwr 5 жыл бұрын
provenelk i done exactly this today and walked away with a g&l just played so much better than any modern fender and pickups are crystal and bell like
@bigfootingermany
@bigfootingermany 5 жыл бұрын
@provenelk Darrell Braun did a shoot out between the MIM Strat and a Squier Strat Deluxe, which is the Cort Indonesian made Squier with the Duncan designed pups in it. Very interesting conclusions. His recommendations was to get the Squier Standard version and change the pups. The Squier played better than the MIM, but the difference between Squier Standard and Deluxe was only the pups. And the cost difference was big enough to actually put a real set of Duncans or Bare Knuckles in the Squier. I have an American Standard and two of the Squier Deluxes. Bought the second one because the first one played so damn well. But the second one became my mod guitar. I had a set of Fender CS '61 pups laying around, and I swapped out the tuners with Ratio tuners. In a real shoot out, that 335 euro Squier would give my $1200 American Standard and run for it's money! In fact if you consider the price point, the squier wins hands down. But go check out the video on Darrell Braun youtube channel. It's pretty good. He does several of the budget vs high price guitars. Bob in Germany
@crjacobs1313
@crjacobs1313 6 жыл бұрын
Really nice to see you guys showing some G&L love. My US made ASAT Classic and Legacy USA (Strat model) are two of my very favorite guitars. Fantastic build quality, and they are tone monsters! Both in the $1000-1500 range and put many of their Fender counterparts to shame. They both love my 68 Fender Super Reverb 4x10!
@kenhall6525
@kenhall6525 6 жыл бұрын
Pete plays with such feel, so refreshing
@QuarrelsomeLocalOaf
@QuarrelsomeLocalOaf 6 жыл бұрын
Damn, Pete's playing is always a treat.
@charlescampbell5894
@charlescampbell5894 6 жыл бұрын
He should be a superstar in a fair world. His demo of the Super Eagles 2 is jaw dropping.
@andrewcrawley285
@andrewcrawley285 6 жыл бұрын
I love how much Lee loves Pete's playing!
@edwardjons8684
@edwardjons8684 6 жыл бұрын
‘The one where...’ 18:00 Pete Honore transforms into Paul Kossoff, and spontaneously produces the archetypal 70s rock solo, with character, flair and most of all ease. Damn. The rest of us can leave our instruments by the exit.
@kipmillwee6936
@kipmillwee6936 Жыл бұрын
I will say this about the special run of this guitar. This was on sale for less than $300 from another guitar shop in the USA. I have had a couple of Fender Tele's and one of the G&L ASAT with the MFD pick ups. The one I got came out of the box PERFECT. I have had it now for a couple of years and it still plays as it did on day one. As for the sound, use effects anyway and this works great in the studio. I like a sound just on the edge of break-up sound and in that particular set-up, this sounds great. I always find the bridge is slightly less harsh than my 67 Tele, so it lends to quick sound in the studio. And as I said it is rock solid. Glad you shed some light on how these came about, as they were never on the G&L website. No clues.
@Kennykoo65
@Kennykoo65 6 жыл бұрын
Damn Danish Pete. That intro was awesome and needs to be expanded into a full song. Love everything that DP plays. Lee isn’t too shabby either :)
@aeoteroa818
@aeoteroa818 3 жыл бұрын
I'm beyond stoked to get one here in a few weeks. Can't wait to stay playing with plugins too
@markwhitelaw7192
@markwhitelaw7192 6 жыл бұрын
Great to see some G&L love on here. They're excellent guitars
@p_molnar
@p_molnar 5 жыл бұрын
Oh boy. The jam was killer. Never heard such a good impro before
@blairlane1614
@blairlane1614 6 жыл бұрын
Great as always, Gents. I suspect that if we gave Pete a board from a skid, put some strings, tuners, bridge, and a pickup on it, he would make it sound good. Thanks to the Anderton's team for the vids.
@mcqueen7584
@mcqueen7584 6 жыл бұрын
Yess Teles and my favorite duo, this must be Christmas :D
@chriswilsonfdnp2768
@chriswilsonfdnp2768 5 ай бұрын
I've gone back three days in a row just to watch the jam at the 13 minute mark. Wow Danish Pete.....incredible jam on the fly man
@winettou9
@winettou9 2 жыл бұрын
This guy can make any guitar sound real good! What a player!
@charlie-obrien
@charlie-obrien 3 ай бұрын
6 years later and this is still one of the Captain and Pete's greatest outro jams ever! And to think they played out on a G&L tribute and an even cheaper version of the Tribute... Slap my face and call me Sally...playing is indeed in the hands!
@brandonleespitler
@brandonleespitler 3 жыл бұрын
I love the sound of the one Pete is playing! So I literally just ordered one lol.
@chalfontstgiles3353
@chalfontstgiles3353 4 жыл бұрын
I've just ordered a G&L Asat Deluxe arch top in trans black with a flamed maple cap from you guys, due this Thursday, I can't wait :-)
@rexrobards7407
@rexrobards7407 4 жыл бұрын
Well, some say the letters stand for "George and Leo", officially that has been changed to "Guitars by Leo" (because George Fullerton got his fill of it) but I say it's "Gals and Liquor". I had one of the American-made G&L ASAT Classics that I bought new in the mid 1990s. It was my favorite guitar for about 8 years and the best Tiddle Casper I ever owned. The American guitars all have Ash bodies, these Indonesian guitars are made of Basswood. The finish on my American ASAT was the Mary Kay finish (a see-through finish applied as a thin layer of white paint smeared over the Ash and then covered with two or three coats of clear lacquer) - a finish that has not been offered on the Indonesian guitars but was a finish that Leo created for his first Straddle Casper signature model, a guitar that he made for Ms Mary Kay, a singer who performed in white evening dresses and played one of the first Stratocasters back in the early 50s. (The Mary Kay model had gold-plated hardware and sold for a few dollars more than the regular Strat, when the price of a Stratocaster was $275.)
@mbodine804
@mbodine804 5 жыл бұрын
I have two. After a $60 setup. which included some fret smoothing and minor edge rounding work, they both play and sound fantastic. $299 each.
@bryangray4178
@bryangray4178 6 жыл бұрын
Geez I could listen to Pete play all day 🤤
@cOpEnBaCoN
@cOpEnBaCoN 6 жыл бұрын
Would watch these two jam all freaking day man!
@andersrandom
@andersrandom 6 жыл бұрын
Geez Pete is such a great guitar player
@deanmoulder9348
@deanmoulder9348 6 жыл бұрын
I had my hand hovering over the 'buy' button right up until the 'its not quite an epic deal'. Still excellent value and likely beats anything Squire do at the same price.
@AndyCurriePhotography
@AndyCurriePhotography 6 жыл бұрын
"Just go and steal flowers from a graveyard"!!!!.....oooft, bad idea Cap'n! On tbe plus side, Danish Pete was immense...
@xvarzka33
@xvarzka33 6 жыл бұрын
Danis Pete's playing always on point and beyond
@legovideotv12345678
@legovideotv12345678 2 жыл бұрын
that hs setup is 10/10, best guitar that I've ever tried at that price range
@MrWilson-WithaPbass
@MrWilson-WithaPbass 6 жыл бұрын
pete's playing rules man
@realjumper
@realjumper 6 жыл бұрын
Valentines day is good....and flowers Lee....grow for free!!!! The money you would have spent can now go towards the next guitar. Win / Win!!
@simptown8039
@simptown8039 4 жыл бұрын
Lee is underrated. I love his playing.
@thewomanwithnohead
@thewomanwithnohead 6 жыл бұрын
Danish Pete would even make a shovel with one string sound like a 5000 € guitar.
@tunesmith7437
@tunesmith7437 5 жыл бұрын
Excellent Classic Rock guitar starting 13:24....sweet sounds almighty...
@mrpositronia
@mrpositronia 6 жыл бұрын
I clicked the link thinking Lee was going to play a giant telecaster.
@HELLHAMMERHANDHIX
@HELLHAMMERHANDHIX 6 жыл бұрын
kinda reminded me of the old "john peel" theme intro at 0:45 thru 1:00...I used to play it when I was a kid !!!
@hartleygabolinscy3152
@hartleygabolinscy3152 6 жыл бұрын
A couple of smooth cool lovely dudes. Best wishes from nz. 👍🎸🎸👍
@extansegura
@extansegura 6 жыл бұрын
Pete is just amazing
@bradleyhargreaves9307
@bradleyhargreaves9307 6 жыл бұрын
Please do more jams of Andertons compilations!
@lightfoot413
@lightfoot413 4 жыл бұрын
Wish I had seen this video and sale b4 I bought my G&L ASAT Classic ,but anyway gr8 review of a gr8 Guitar..hope you pattened that chord progression..its awesome..thanks for doing what u guys do...
@bthellam
@bthellam 6 жыл бұрын
This was a killer video, you guys. Can't get enough of the Lee/Rob/Pete/Rabea team! May I make a request for a future video? I have a Fender Nashville Deluxe Tele and my curiosity about the G&L ASAT Classic S (Alnico) has been awakened. Could you please compare those? Thank you! Oh, and Valentine's Day is just a commercialism day now. Big loud raspberry.
@40spinup
@40spinup 6 жыл бұрын
It’s amazing how far the quality of the affordable end of guitars have come and all for the better in my opinion. That’s why I think so many of my generation gave up cos the stuff we had was utter crap and I mean utter crap!!
@mjallenuk
@mjallenuk 6 жыл бұрын
Those three Pink Stars are brilliant... gotta love kids!
@ivanbondi7501
@ivanbondi7501 6 жыл бұрын
Damm, Pete did it again!!
@Fektthis
@Fektthis 6 жыл бұрын
This makes me want to go try and check one out. It's the right price range and I've considered a T type for a while. Always loved G&L, probably more than I like Fender. Haven't played on in well over a decade or maybe even 2 though.
@Fektthis
@Fektthis 6 жыл бұрын
then I heard the pickup selection. still sounded ok tho. at worse it might need 125 quarter pound upgrade.
@ratsalad1
@ratsalad1 6 жыл бұрын
Wow, real bargain. That blue one with the tortoiseshell is bangin'
@jackp.walker6247
@jackp.walker6247 6 жыл бұрын
GOTTA LOVE G&L !
@JustinEthnostate
@JustinEthnostate 9 ай бұрын
You guys are so much fun
@mr.rosales411
@mr.rosales411 6 жыл бұрын
"pete honore, you're a great guitar player" - l. anderton. dang, feels good man and im not even pete.
@wmd5645
@wmd5645 6 жыл бұрын
Damn Pete. Loop 3 chords, then play the whole neck. Damn you Pete.
@mikemanne8112
@mikemanne8112 3 жыл бұрын
enjoy listening& getting these hot tips from andertons music.
@globalmind43
@globalmind43 6 жыл бұрын
ASAT means anti satellite... Leo was a war time era guy, so that's were the names for a lot of the G&L guitars comes from ! Same with early Fender - Owned a radio repair shop and so you get Telecaster, Stratocaster, Broadcaster, etc.... Nice to see some love for 2nd Gen Fenders
@Slovy_
@Slovy_ 6 жыл бұрын
G&L are great guitars for the $. The Indonesian ones play as good as American fenders in my opinion.
@slopcrusher3482
@slopcrusher3482 5 жыл бұрын
Everything I’m going to have to agree, the tributes are made with lower quality materials than the G&L’s made in the fender shop
@trwsandford
@trwsandford 4 жыл бұрын
@Keith Clark bust out a little sand paper, use a block. Time well spent.
@Sheltada
@Sheltada 4 жыл бұрын
@Keith Clark someone take away this man's caps lock
@meowanderson2189
@meowanderson2189 5 жыл бұрын
that jam at the beginning
@Kranky916
@Kranky916 6 жыл бұрын
How do these compare vs the Chapman ML3 Traditional Standard? I realize they are £50 cheaper than the Chapman. Can we get a comparison video with you two playing them and then switching?
@cardideoz
@cardideoz 6 жыл бұрын
There was a time I used to wait a week just to hear Rabea and Matt saying the words "Hey I'm Rabea, and I'm Matt, and this is sound(s) like on Andertons TV!". Really miss that series :(((
@theoriginalallandiscaya
@theoriginalallandiscaya 6 жыл бұрын
Nice jam i love it ;-)
@MetalDozz
@MetalDozz 6 жыл бұрын
Me and my girlfriend of almost a decade only celebrated our first Valentines day together, we both agree that it's just a Hallmark holiday (money spinner) and you shouldn't need a dedicated day of the year to show your love for one another.
@robinspat
@robinspat 5 жыл бұрын
Unless she employs formulae N+1 where N = number of guitars you have and she acts appropriately +1 ... = definition of true love proven and substantiated evidentially ;)
@jamesduckworth9117
@jamesduckworth9117 6 жыл бұрын
Been married nearly 30 years. We just do a nice dinner and some wine. Get her flowers during the year because you want to, and it’s much more appreciated. The ASAT Tele rocks! I have a semi-hollow body ASAT Classic that I love. It has a humbucker in the neck position
@jessebarrera159
@jessebarrera159 5 жыл бұрын
What type of pickups are in the special addition Asat g&l, great video.
@MikaelTorseth
@MikaelTorseth 6 жыл бұрын
It's the scratchplate, it's smaller on the G&L :)
@MattyK-USA
@MattyK-USA 6 жыл бұрын
This. Saw the same thing.
@Novotny72
@Novotny72 5 жыл бұрын
that bit over the looper at 13:24 omg
@maton1982
@maton1982 6 жыл бұрын
your playin just keeps gettin tastier captain, pete's rubbin off on ya
@yinzerghost
@yinzerghost 4 жыл бұрын
Valentine's Day is amateur hour. Show love every day and screw cut flowers. If anything, plant some flowers to enjoy a whole season. Oh, and nice guitars.
@SvenBroos
@SvenBroos 6 жыл бұрын
Capt! What were you playing through? Your tone was divine!
@eljoel89
@eljoel89 6 жыл бұрын
If Andertons is carrying G&L now, I would absolutely love to see a "Sound like Jerry Cantrell, By Busting the Bank" video, with a U.S. G&L Rampage. Please?
@mauricekilday
@mauricekilday 6 жыл бұрын
I took my wife to Lanzarote for Valentines day, we both ended up with stinking colds. To think I could have bought 6 of these ASATs instead , really cheers me up no end.
@frankmchale2877
@frankmchale2877 6 жыл бұрын
Nothing shouts out "guilty conscience" more than a 70 quid bunch of flowers.. Lol 😂.. Lovely workhorse of a guitar that G&L... Have you done a video on the lightspeed od yet? Passed me by that pedal, but loving the sound of it.
@TheUprising81
@TheUprising81 6 жыл бұрын
love rob... but i could get used to Pete being on the guitar reviews! :)
@larrylynch8113
@larrylynch8113 6 жыл бұрын
are they equal in built quality and playability of an american standard or they are more squierish like ? I have a Dusenberg paloma and i m looking for a cool télé
@robertmoore3643
@robertmoore3643 6 жыл бұрын
Plus a chord voicing lesson for free! Love you guys.
@jbolo5378
@jbolo5378 6 жыл бұрын
Danish Pete does it again.
@billtaylor4897
@billtaylor4897 6 жыл бұрын
Crazy Cool Headstock...
@MrVinB
@MrVinB 6 жыл бұрын
Hmm, should I go this one or a Fender Mexico Tele Arctic White?
@jarredsecretioremente189
@jarredsecretioremente189 6 жыл бұрын
I bought a G&L ASAT Tribute with the American PUPS second hand recently. They are fantastically well built and sound amazing. I think they are a FAR better buy than a Fender Tele. The ceramic PUPS have more output and a sweeter tone, but with plenty of 'twang'. Not sure about this cheaper version though.
@niteriderband4713
@niteriderband4713 3 жыл бұрын
The guitar Pete is playing has alnico pickups. Alnicos are not powerful pickups, that is why they sound great and clear when amplified. With gain added, they have awesome distortion.
@muhammadiqbalshahputra7044
@muhammadiqbalshahputra7044 6 жыл бұрын
guys. can you make a comparison video between Fender, Nash, and Suhr? thank you.
@jeanbarreto7594
@jeanbarreto7594 6 жыл бұрын
Pete can even make horse hair nailed to a wood 2x4 sound good.
@samiam5557
@samiam5557 6 жыл бұрын
tasty tele fun, that's a great bargin
@0o0oo0o
@0o0oo0o 3 жыл бұрын
I'm not so much a tele guy, but I am close to pulling the trigger on one of these new ones. I read on another video that some of the Indonesian made cheaper G&Ls don't have USA-made pickups, is this true? This guitar is pretty exciting and a great price.
@imranchaudhary3776
@imranchaudhary3776 Жыл бұрын
Did you get one? I saw a vid stating, certain ASATs from Indonesia have the American pickups.
@angiesamgulliver554
@angiesamgulliver554 5 жыл бұрын
Anymore coming cheers
@Olegstuff21986
@Olegstuff21986 5 ай бұрын
The pickups on these Indonesian ones are as good as anything out there, they're excellent. In fact, I got the guitar used for 365 euros and consider it pretty much a steal, it punches way above its weight class, is comfortable to play and sturdily built.
@aez48843
@aez48843 4 ай бұрын
I’ve got the same sonic blue with the alnico V pickups it’s absolutely a pleasure to play
@lewisbeeman
@lewisbeeman 6 жыл бұрын
How about hearing that Tele that the Cap’n is holding since the pickups are different! Did get to hear it a little in the outro so that is good. Anyways, you guys rock.
@trym2121
@trym2121 6 жыл бұрын
lewisbeeman the humbucker in this video, imo, sounded like stabbed rat that losing its voice. I don't know why they set it up that way. While the one Pete's holding, that's just your very nice tele sounding tone.
@Earlofgrey69
@Earlofgrey69 6 жыл бұрын
Handy Valentine’s Day tip. Look through the local paper a couple of days before for fatal road accidents and bingo. Nothing says I love you like lamppost flowers. Tip 2. Make sure you remove the “ Miss you always Wayne “ ticket or it’s the c**tbook for you. Great playing as always Pete.
@SandalwoodBros
@SandalwoodBros 4 жыл бұрын
I've read about people having issues with the neck pickup because the height is non-adjustable. Can anyone confirm?
@toddthompson4107
@toddthompson4107 6 жыл бұрын
Worth every pound
@mikeaustin4138
@mikeaustin4138 6 жыл бұрын
Not a usual ASAT; it has alnico pickups rather than the MFD pickups.
@GabrielMedlin
@GabrielMedlin 4 жыл бұрын
Mike Austin are the Alnico’s better??
@mikeaustin4138
@mikeaustin4138 3 жыл бұрын
@Katy Smith No they don't. MFD pickups have ceramic pickups. But don't let that stop you.
@MikaTarkela
@MikaTarkela 6 жыл бұрын
How do these compare to the Fenders that are around the same price?
@blwm9206
@blwm9206 6 жыл бұрын
How long do these usually last in the shop? rly wanna get one but i got no cash atm for it xD
@justhavnfunhere590
@justhavnfunhere590 5 жыл бұрын
Wow! I really enjoyed the playing of the guitars.
@jacobschmitt9983
@jacobschmitt9983 6 жыл бұрын
Can you guys compare the fender deluxe reverb 68 to 65?
@MrSlash00r
@MrSlash00r 6 жыл бұрын
"Does it come with a case? No, a box." LOL
@SamaZnajeshXto
@SamaZnajeshXto 6 жыл бұрын
I know Fenders from previous video sound "better" because they are expensive and "reliced", but to be honest, I would be perfectly happy if guitar parts on my recordings sound like the ASAT on the right. £350 guitar can give you all you need if you listen to music with your ears
@altrock86
@altrock86 6 жыл бұрын
I do think the fenders from the other video do sound slightly better, but not 10 times better. And personally I do not like reliced guitars.
@MonsCamus
@MonsCamus 6 жыл бұрын
Pete rubs some Danish on it and magic comes out. :)
@jasonhummel9609
@jasonhummel9609 6 жыл бұрын
I Have a Red G&L Telecaster, with a bigsby I have had it for about 8 years still plays just as good as when I got the guitar !! Just as good as an American I reckon but that's my opinion
@ralex3697
@ralex3697 3 жыл бұрын
Probably better than Fender
@fantomas9240
@fantomas9240 6 жыл бұрын
Look at the pickguard. Is smaller on the G&L, he begins not at the same place as the 7ender
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