G Scale | Track logistics: grades switches, and curves

  Рет қаралды 20,599

Rockwall Canyon Railroad

Rockwall Canyon Railroad

Күн бұрын

This video details my opinions on curves, grades and switches for G scale trains. My railroad features mostly mainline 1:29 scale trains with body-mounted Kadee couplers.
Operating long passenger cars and freight cars with body mount couplers can require some track strategies for best results. The biggest points to take away: Avoid grades over 2%, avoid curves tighter than 16ftdia (LGB R5), and avoid making S-curves!

Пікірлер: 54
@stuartkorte1642
@stuartkorte1642 8 ай бұрын
Wow this isn’t a garden railroad it’s a yard railroad empire. 👍
@JeremyMilligan1024
@JeremyMilligan1024 Жыл бұрын
Thanks very much for the direct comparison of the Aristo/USAT No6 versus the LGB No5. Although similar, they are *very* different.
@ingomoba1001
@ingomoba1001 2 жыл бұрын
Amerika is big! And your Trainsystem also. Verry nice🛠 job! Greating from Middle of Germany🚂🤩👍
@andrewway3404
@andrewway3404 2 жыл бұрын
Love the size of your railroad, beautiful yard!
@RockwallCanyonRR
@RockwallCanyonRR 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much!
@Dachamp2001
@Dachamp2001 2 жыл бұрын
I like the track plan it's cool. Wish I had land like that lol. Knowing my goofy behind I would lay track on ground level to the right of the bridge cross the creek where the foot bridge is and bring it back around too much fun.
@popples4973
@popples4973 Жыл бұрын
What an awesome layout you've got. Absolutely love it. I like how explained about the turnouts. I've been collecting track, rolling stock and have two Aristocraft U25 locomotives. I have an area 40'x75' for a layout. Still in the planning stage. Thank you for the information & sharing your video 👍
@RockwallCanyonRR
@RockwallCanyonRR Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much! Looking forward to seeing what you do with your space and collection! The U25Bs are decent engines and will give you years of good runs!
@popples4973
@popples4973 Жыл бұрын
@@RockwallCanyonRR Glad to hear good about the U25B's. Thank you 👍
@mistacabbage
@mistacabbage 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for making this! 16 foot minimum curves = wow!
@RockwallCanyonRR
@RockwallCanyonRR 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Yes, 16ft dia is my recommendation for longer cars and body mounted couplers. I've had plenty of years though when 5ft diameter was as big as I could do.
@hozkahilgarri3936
@hozkahilgarri3936 2 жыл бұрын
"What's wrong with the new diesel?" "He has a toothache!"
@mgamga9476
@mgamga9476 Жыл бұрын
That is a lot of work. Nice job. Wish I had property like that. I have a nice little collection of G scale trains and loads of track. From 1ft all the way to 5ft sections but have no where to set it up. My poor trains sit in the attic taking space. I hope to retire in a few years and sell my home for a new one somewhere far from New York where I currently live. (What a shit hole N.Y. turned into). Then maybe I will have space to do a garden railroad. I will subscribe. I want to see your progress.
@RockwallCanyonRR
@RockwallCanyonRR Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much! We have a pretty strong garden railway club here in southeastern NH, and we would be happy to see it grow! Best of luck with your planning.
@Mikey45013
@Mikey45013 2 жыл бұрын
You can press some brass tubbing over the outside of the plastic gear (where the axle presses in) to fix the cracked gear issue. I've done this to many
@RockwallCanyonRR
@RockwallCanyonRR 2 жыл бұрын
Have you done the 44 tonner truck specifically? I know this typically works most USA motor blocks, but it's been documented that you would have to modify the plastic housing on 44t to make room for the sleeves.....otherwise the gears no longer mesh.
@Mikey45013
@Mikey45013 2 жыл бұрын
Yes I have done it. Just make sure the bushing is square not diamond when reinstalling the axle and it works just fine
@peteshoulders1
@peteshoulders1 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent and looking forward to the extra track mods 👍
@RockwallCanyonRR
@RockwallCanyonRR 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I think the big changes will come in about 2 weeks!
@andersholt4653
@andersholt4653 Жыл бұрын
All I can say is: NICE. I'm quite envious.
@RockwallCanyonRR
@RockwallCanyonRR Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much!
@buentaste
@buentaste 5 ай бұрын
nice 👍🏻
@seanmcgillicuddy956
@seanmcgillicuddy956 2 жыл бұрын
Great info and great examples ... Thanks ..I'm guessing all the switches are manual .. I use the Bachman switch stand for my #6's ..
@RockwallCanyonRR
@RockwallCanyonRR 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Sean! Yes I also like the Bachmann switch stand as well. Most of my switches use the LGB manual spring box. The railroad has many junior engineers, so having spring switches helps to cut down on major derailments. Engines and heavy cars will always spring through, but occasionally freight cars will still slip off if a switch is misaligned.
@toddanderson1506
@toddanderson1506 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for all the info, great video! I have a question about laying parallel curved track. Can you lay a 20' half circle inside another 20' half circle? Is it big enough to have enough flexability for that? I would rather have parallel curved tracks 8" apart rather than a foot or two apart.
@RockwallCanyonRR
@RockwallCanyonRR Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the kind words Todd! If you're using sectional curved track you can loosen the ties by removing the underside screws on one rail to allow the rails to flex. Place on a flat surface and hand bend it either larger or smaller as needed. It will cause one rail to run a little long, but you can trim that with a dremel cut off wheel or hack saw. Otherwise you can use long flex track sections and a rail bender to produce the parallel curve. Flex track is often in short supply, so I do a little of both.
@rossmartin1018
@rossmartin1018 2 жыл бұрын
Tremendous! What is the grade of the mountain bypass? This is so informative, thank you!
@RockwallCanyonRR
@RockwallCanyonRR 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I believe that section is pushing 6% in a few spots. Since its technically off the mainline, I decided to have a little fun with it. In this case, I was more concerned about achieving the 15in clearance at the overpass than the grade it required to get there. The end result is an visually amusing route, but definitely one with operating restrictions.
@DBHert
@DBHert Жыл бұрын
Hi, I really appreciate your channel and you sharing various tips. All good and helpful - thank you. I'm curious about your technique for laying track floating on rock. While I realize ballast helps it stay in place, I've presumed G-scale track outdoors needs to be fixed to a permanent roadbed. Concrete, wood, something.. other than the obvious decking/trestles/etc, can you share more about your techniques when laying track at ground level? Do you have freeze/thaw/hot-cold cycles in your local climate? Do you have issues with track drifting? Thanks again
@RockwallCanyonRR
@RockwallCanyonRR Жыл бұрын
Hi Dave, So glad you like my videos! Yes, I've been floating G scale on crushed stone for many years. I find the best way to proceed is to start with a heavy woven "weed barrier." Much like on gravel pathways, this allows the base to be more consistent in freeze and thaw conditions. I then like to use 1-1/2in crushed stone to build up the roadbed. Next comes the track and some 1/2in stone which gets pressed under and around the ties. This is enough to work as-is, but I also like to go back and add a layer of 3/8in stone once everything has settled. This is more for looks than function as the smaller rock is closer to scale. In most cases this enough to keep the tracks together. However, in sunny spots, where the track moves more, I like to add 1 rail clamp to each joint. Since I'm not using the track for power, I don't find it necessary to clamp both rails. I do have cold and snowy weather here in New Hampshire, but for the most part, the cold, frost, and ice have less effect on the track than does the hot sun. I prefer to have the track floating, because even ladder framing can become out of alignment from frost. Making track geometry adjustments to floating track is as easy as lifting and repositioning the stone.
@DBHert
@DBHert Жыл бұрын
@@RockwallCanyonRR Thanks for sharing your process. I'm in the beginning stages and happy to hear that floating in/on ballast, of various sizes during the build-up works. The tips about rail-clamps also much appreciated - I have been contemplating how much/when/where to leverage them. And I can appreciate how a bed of crushed rock is easier to re-align vs permanently attachment to a substructure too, another good tip, thank you.
@dukesnyder3607
@dukesnyder3607 Жыл бұрын
There is an easy way to sleeve the plastic axle gears with 3/8" brass tube and make them run like new for many years. Many USAT locos in my fleet are already fixed and run perfectly. If you want more information and picts, please contact me. Love your railroad also!!
@RockwallCanyonRR
@RockwallCanyonRR Жыл бұрын
Thanks Duke! Oh yes, I'm actually aware of the brass tube repair but was warned that the 44T motor block is a little tighter and may require removing some plastic to allow clearance for the sleeves to fit and still allow the gears to mesh properly. I already have the tube, so i'm going to give it a try anyways to solve this once and for all. Lol
@RockwallCanyonRR
@RockwallCanyonRR Жыл бұрын
Hi Duke, so I gave it a try last night and it worked out pretty well! No issues with the sleeve rubbing on the motorblock and the surging is almost gone entirely. I do have one axle with marginal gearing that are nearly worn out but still working. Another axle is still wobbling pretty heavily, but works. Ran for about 4 hours today!
@dukesnyder3607
@dukesnyder3607 Жыл бұрын
@@RockwallCanyonRR I've had really great results from the way I sleeve mine using a small arbor press to get them straight and they run nice. I can send you picts through email or FB if you wish. I cut the brass on my small lathe to fit. A drill press would work in place of the arbor press.
@fernandomurillo9272
@fernandomurillo9272 10 ай бұрын
Awesome work great layout
@qora01m
@qora01m 2 жыл бұрын
I'm missing the diamond crossings and the curved switches...
@jokensa
@jokensa 2 жыл бұрын
really cool. yout double mains appear to be perfectly spaced from each other. any tricks on this?
@RockwallCanyonRR
@RockwallCanyonRR 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! On the ground level it's just by eye. I really lucked out with the patched siding where the rock was busted up. I never had to trim a single rail to make it fit! As to my elevated track...the spacing is that of a crossover of USA Trains #6 switches. That way I can add crossovers near the intermediate stations for more ops options!
@VictorianMaid99
@VictorianMaid99 9 ай бұрын
Great video! I do need some help if you can answer a quick question. I just purchased a massive, USA Trains, SD40-2. What is the smallest LGB Numbered Curve can this engine handle? I am moving up from the small starter tracks that are in the LGB sets and think this engine might not work on right curves.
@RockwallCanyonRR
@RockwallCanyonRR 9 ай бұрын
Excellent choice! The Sd40-2 will require LGB R3 as an absolute minimum. With R3 it requires coupler adaptors to work. USA 10ft diameter would my minimum, and LGB R5 would be even better. If you cannot go larger than R3, it may be wise to stick with the LGB brand locomotives since they are designed to work on the tightest curves without performance side-effects.
@VictorianMaid99
@VictorianMaid99 9 ай бұрын
@@RockwallCanyonRR outstanding answers. I will start rooting around for those Part Numbers. I work best with Part Numbers. That said this engine is AMAZING! First the price. I bought it at the NMRA Convention here in Dallas TX for a very fair price: $411.00. This engine is upwards of $435.00 and that would not even have shipping which would push it to $460.00 in some cases. Next is the detail. Wow! Really amazing. I love the huge three axel trucks. Last it is what I have wanted for many years. If you take a look at my tiny garden train layout it will take some planning to get her in there. My little layout was needing an expansion so this is the perfect reason to make it even bigger! Anyway I hope to do an "unboxing" and test drive soon.
@RockwallCanyonRR
@RockwallCanyonRR 9 ай бұрын
@VictorianMaid99 That was a great buy on the SD40! Looking forward to seeing what you do with the layout!
@RockwallCanyonRR
@RockwallCanyonRR 9 ай бұрын
@VictorianMaid99 I typically think LGB track is much better, but USA Trains provides this 10ft diameter curve size which falls between LGB R3 and LGB R5 curves. It's cheaper and may fit your space better than LGB R5. USA Trains track: R81700 10ft diameter curves R81720 switches R81725 switches
@VictorianMaid99
@VictorianMaid99 9 ай бұрын
@@RockwallCanyonRR I think you are correct about LGB Track. It holds up better outdoors
@gamepad3173
@gamepad3173 2 жыл бұрын
ever thought of running vintage converted battery trains like New Bright, Echo,or Eztec/ Scientific Toys on the railroad? or would those require more work to get running?
@RockwallCanyonRR
@RockwallCanyonRR 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely! You do have to be careful with some of the vintage New Bright trains as some of them are close, but not quite the same gauge as G scale. That said, they are quite popular with garden train folks. I'm really not sure how well they hold up on layouts with grades or longer trains. One of the issues they found with the older Bachamann Big Haulers (when used beyond the Christmas tree loop)...the motors would get hot and soften the motor mounts which then caused the gears to grind. I would say, if you approach with reasonable expectations you'll have good results. As to "vintage" quite a few of my "garden-grade" models such as Aristo craft diesels and cars are 30 years old and going strong. Even my USA trains GP9s are over 20 years old! I have LGB track and ties that have been outside well over 30 years.
@gamepad3173
@gamepad3173 2 жыл бұрын
@@RockwallCanyonRR All the more reason I won't use Plastic track outside because it's not UV resistant and would melt in the sun like a hot fudge sundae. as for New Bright rolling stock (and this even applies to their christmas counterparts) hit them with some UV clear coat and change the plastic trucks to those of metal with knuckle couplers. though with the engines that would take more than just UV clearcoat as the motor and gears would need moisture protection (Epoxy I think?) but I'm ditching the 6 C cell batteries that take to power them as I'm going with a single 7.4 volt cam corder battery with a charger. I may include Rail pro as well. (I'd be surprised if it can find images of New Bright and other 80/90's engines).
@TheeFishGuy
@TheeFishGuy 2 жыл бұрын
What are you using to control your trains?
@RockwallCanyonRR
@RockwallCanyonRR 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching! I've been enjoying your channel for awhile now! As to train control...I've been an Airwire guy right from when they first came out 20 years ago...much of it is still working great, and its all still compatible with even their newest items. I also use Railboss4+ on my passenger trains (and Thomas equipment) since this system has automated station stops. I'm not big into sound, so these systems work great for me...While you can add it to AW or RB, I think RailPro or Revo is probably more practical for sound.
@TheeFishGuy
@TheeFishGuy 2 жыл бұрын
@@RockwallCanyonRR I liked Airwire, easy to install. I never cared about sound till I heard railpro. Growing up with a train going through my back yard, I know what they’re supposed to sound like. No one got it right till raipro. Now I can’t run without it lol your layout is amazing, where are you located?
@RockwallCanyonRR
@RockwallCanyonRR 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheeFishGuy I completely agree on the Railpro sound quality! I used to work as a Trainman on a scenic railroad so my ears are particularly tuned as well! I admit they're getting very close! The horns and engine sounds are truly the best I've heard. Next they need to figure a way to configure the engine rev and motor whine to the actual current load on the decoder. Love to hear those 1st gen EMDs rev up and then down just as the traction motors start whining! I'm located in the seacoast area of New Hampshire. Where are you located?
@TheeFishGuy
@TheeFishGuy 2 жыл бұрын
@@RockwallCanyonRR I’m in north east Ohio. As per the notch up and such, if you set the load pertaining to how many cars you’re pulling it gets pretty close!
@RockwallCanyonRR
@RockwallCanyonRR 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheeFishGuy ohh I wasn't aware of that?? I still have new AW boards to install...I'm going to pretend that feature doesn't exist yet ;););)
You should know this before building a Garden Railroad
7:18
DIY and Digital Railroad
Рет қаралды 61 М.
She ruined my dominos! 😭 Cool train tool helps me #gadget
00:40
Go Gizmo!
Рет қаралды 59 МЛН
Osman Kalyoncu Sonu Üzücü Saddest Videos Dream Engine 170 #shorts
00:27
How To Lay Track on a Garden Railroad
15:50
Toy Man Television
Рет қаралды 23 М.
FIRST TRAINS on the layout! Testing all the switches...
5:46
SUMMIT RAILWAY
Рет қаралды 37 М.
This made my Garden Railroad track so much better! PART 2
9:38
DIY and Digital Railroad
Рет қаралды 38 М.
How to Build the Perfect Roadbed for you Garden Railroad
23:28
Alpine & Western Pacific Railroad - Hawley MacLean
Рет қаралды 5 М.
G Scale Open day at the CMR Part 3   7th June 2023
6:10
Cathedral Mountain Railway
Рет қаралды 7 М.
Building a Deck Girder Model Train Bridge for G Scale Trains Mainlinebridges
12:33
My 6x16 HO Layout - Two Trains Running plus Layout Update
7:56
Fred E Model Railroad
Рет қаралды 27 М.
G scale | Battery Power
4:32
Rockwall Canyon Railroad
Рет қаралды 10 М.
G-Scale Epic Garden Railroad PLUS Lionel O Scale Chicago Layout
11:45
Coolest Thing
Рет қаралды 212 М.
LGB layout expansion, installing more TRACK and RAILROAD CROSSING
20:42
КОГДА БАТЯ ЗАТЕЯЛ СТРОЙКУ😂#shorts
0:59
BATEK_OFFICIAL
Рет қаралды 986 М.
Stick Man Is NOT Having A Good Day 😢 | Shorts
0:37
Gruffalo World
Рет қаралды 33 МЛН