Gabriel Seth: “alright to all you new guys here, 1st rule about fight club...”

Seth: *beats the hell out of a primaris marine* Also Seth: "Hey want to join our brotherhood?"

"This my house! These are my warriors!" Ok I like this dude, now 🤘

I wanted to point out (in your last video) that the reason Seth feels the way he does: in the novel Devastation of Baal, Seth watched as Sentor Jool and his Knights of Blood chapter went to their deaths to cover for Seth and the Flesh Tearers retreat. It absolutely one of the most beautiful chapters to listen to on the audiobook, Chapter 26. Seth calls for a retreat, and Jool tells him, "We can not go back!" and removes his helmut to show that the Rage has consumed him and caused a flesh-change: the entire chapter now look like Khornate monsters. Jool knows that his chapter is done for and that the best they can do is go out fighting, "It is our penance, it is our due!" Jool urges Set to survive, work to prevent what has happened to the Knights from happening to the Flesh Tearers, to aid Dante, and lastly, to remember them. His last words are that the demons of Khorne covet them for their rage, but he and his Knights will show them that their rage is a Holy Fury. "For we are noble. We are pure." Then they all run into battle against the demons and to their deaths. Seth witnessed this with his own eyes. He realized that even with the their geneseed flaws, even when they had basically lost any human semblance, and with all the sin (blood drinking etc) they had committed, these men fought to the end to be men and did not just surrender to Chaos. Seth firmly believes that the flaws are what make the Blood Angels and their successors powerful. Overcoming those flaws is what gives them the power to overcome all manner of evil the galaxy throws at them.

Seth recognizing the lethal potential of a Primaris falling to the Black Rage if Guilliman and Cawl are wrong about the fix, and simultaneously loathing the loss of a legacy of the Sanguine Angel should it be true, aren't mutually exclusive in my mind. His protest to Dante was one based on the shared brotherhood and history of the Sanguinius successor chapters, which is possibly the strongest way he could argue his point to a fellow Blood Angel, and probably his true feelings on the matter of losing the Thirst. At the same time, his distrust of Guilliman and Cawl means that he also considers their claims dubious, and the risk that the flaw has not been corrected but simply tampered with means that what is already a dangerous factor to consider in battle is now potentially even more unpredictable and rests in an even more powerful breed of Space Marines. While it may be in the most blunt and tactless way possible, and may not even have been his intention (though I'm inclined to think it was, because Gabriel Seth is right up there with Dante among Sanguinius' sons imo, and knows what he's doing as a leader) I'd say Seth 'conveyed' all of that to the new captain pretty clearly in the short story. Chapter culture and combat style, concerns over the Black Rage and distrust of the promised fixes, a reminder to not disdain or disrespect previous generations of chapter Marines based on Primaris arrogance, and a tough love welcome to the Flesh Tearers, all in one. Is it the way Sanguinius would have handled it? Hell no. But is it fitting for some of his longest-suffering, hardest-fighting loyal sons? I'd say so. Edit: Misspelled Sanguinius in the first paragraph, I have shamed myself, battle-brothers. I must take on a Death Oath to redeem myself-- to buy all the Sanguinius books in the Black Library and begin a Blood Angels army.

Seth is angry not stupid. Not accepting the primaris means no reinforcment to the chapter. He had to accept them or watch the chapter dissappear and seth wont let that happen

When that Captain went on about how the Primaris were made to be better, that line from Clone Captain Rex just flashed through my mind, "In my book, EXPERIENCE outranks everything." They've got the upgrades sure. But most of them are so green they piss grass. I like the Primaris (Mainly for the Agressors and Reivers) but they're gonna have to learn no amount of fancy gifts make up for centuries of hard-won experience.

I think after beating the ever loving crap out of the Primaris and he saw the sadness and rage in his eyes he knew. It’s like predators recognizing another predator. He knows that they weren’t cleared of the curse and that they will be just as taken.

Watching the Knights of Blood fall in the defense of Baal really strengthened Seth's resolve. If the Knights were able to find honor in the end so shall the Flesh Tearers. The angels vermillion however...

Never change Seth You glorious bastard you. By the way I'd like to point out the OG Chapter Master of the Flesh Tearers, Nassir Amit, said to Guiliman's face that splitting the legions would be a terrible idea, he got punched by a godamn primarch, got back up and said it again. Glad to see his legacy lives on.

*_Sanguinius_* : Hear me, creature. Let Meros hear this. Your gambit has failed. Whatever these powers are that you call master, whatever irrational choice my brother Horus has made to seek a pact with them, you stand defeated upon the cusp of victory. Do you understand the reason why? *_Red Angel_* : This one. An exemplar of your kind. You were underestimated. The Thirst would have taken you-- *_Sanguinius_* : But it did not. Because as long as one single Blood Angel lives, he will be master of his spirit. He will not let the abyss that lies in the hearts of us all take him into darkness. That is the truth you do not understand, the truth that Horus has forgotten. It is not the descent toward the shadow nor the rise toward the light that makes us superior. It is the endless struggle between the two that greatness of character lies. We are tested, and we do not break. We will never fall! Take that to my brother and tell him! And for this the Flesh Tearers will never fall.

I saw this video title and my fun parts got all tingly.

And just like that, captain toivo was taught a very valuable lesson: experience trumps size and strength. I especially like how Gabriel Seth explained his fears about the primaris' fall being potentially bigger than the original space marines'

Seth is Angry but not an idiot. The original marines are more experienced and have sometimes thousands of years of experience on the Primaris. But Seth knows that if another bug invasion comes they are toast. They need bodies. But he is still angry. So the Primaris need to prove themselves, by having either the Chapter master or the company veterans beat them to a bloody mess, breaking them in. This way Seth will vent some steam and the Primaris will know that this is not the fcking ultramarine candy store chapter, they will be only accepted if they act like flesh tearer not just painted like one.

Ok, Brother Rho. I can help you understand what is happening here. Consider the following and then you will get the brilliance of the story and the brilliance of Seth here: 1. What happened when Merek Grimaldus was appointed to the position of Reclusiarch of the Black Templars Space Marine Chapter? The High Marshal SLAPPED him. Then said "Let this be the last blow you ever take unanswered" (By Dorn, that's the blood of Dorn, right there) 2. Primaris Marines were held in Stasis. They WERE indoctrinated and ARE VERY LOYAL. As this new Primaris Captain appears and is having to meet with Seth, the new Priamaris has some assumptions of WHO and WHAT he was made to be, yet is truly untested. -THIS is a problem for Seth, and RIGHTFULLY SO. So I take you to number 1 again. Seth employs some pretty ancient human tactics on this new "bigger, faster, stronger, better"...yet untested and unproven CAPTAIN. - The gangs in America have a "jumping in" ceremony. You get your ass torn up by the entire group. Now matter HOW bad you think you are...this is the FORCE that is coming back AT you. As a former officer in the US Army, I can speak to the first hand experience of these type of behaviors when assigned to new units as a young officer. You take me to war, you had better be able to MAKE WAR. AS my father told me once when I was young "Son, you may be able to take me on one day...but in that day, take a moment of pity, for I will be a VERY OLD MAN". This new Captain was given a HARSH, FIRM, and VERY appropriate LESSON and WELCOME. Let's review the lesson learned: 1. Code of the Barbarian: You may be big and bad, but, brother, I am badder- Let the jaw reconstruction and scars serve as a reminder 2. You may think you are stronger- The thirst is REAL- What shall it be for you? - Observe the meditations 3. You haven't been tested- here is what a "Lesser to the Primaris" can do to you. - You have only just begun to learn. Experience MATTERS. 4. You WILL be humble to the Chapter- The Chapter is the SUM of ALL of its parts and you are but a part. Now, This Captain will struggle to become better and to PROVE himself to the Chapter. So who is the Captain trying to now prove himself moving forward (as Seth REPRESENTS the Chapter)? The Chapter- its very symbol. Not Roboute, NOR DANTE. You answer to the HOUSE. - by the way, the Codex Astartes actually MAKES this the prevailing wisdom. Hence Chapters. What we have here is a story of the humbling of a new untested and assumptive Primaris that is being put in his place with a lesson. Final Thoughts: This is a VERY well written story. Seth had NO intention of killing him. (Watch the Space Marines movie that came out quite some time ago and note the new marine getting popped at the end when he told the sergeant to "yield" and ended up on his own ass with the reminder "WE NEVER YIELD")

Little thing from Blood in the Machine story was Seth could see that Tycho was falling to the Black Rage long before he showed symptoms. Unspoken here, I think Seth realized in that beating and acknowledgment from the Captain they could fall to the rage. Might be overreading that of course but that's my head cannon. Seth has always been a great character, driving to save his chapter and make them be a proud thing but knowing he cannot quell the beast within does everything he can to make sure other are safe from it or few see it emerge as possible. So being told Primaris didn't have the Rage and Seth anger towards makes more sense in my mind.

I this was during a time after Chief Sanguinary Priest Corbulo had ascertained that they do indeed bear the red thirst and momentary lapse of judgement that might be the black rage; Seth might have had a change of heart on his decision. However, he also isn't the type of person to willingly accept untested help from others; and if you are going to be of any assistance in the Flesh Tearer's chapter, you have to be able to take a beating and still have the fire in your soul to fight back.

God this was satisfying to listen to. Don't get me wrong I like primaris but a first born astartes beating up a primaris feels right to a degree

Red Angels without the Thirst are just Ultramarines in red!

I imagine Seth would rather die than upgrade to Primaris. However, he can finally see through his clouded pride to understand that to remain stagnant is to fade away. Move. Shoot. Communicate. Adapt and overcome.

More flesh tearers man this is amazing.

I actually don’t think he’s referring to the Rage. When the darkness calls likely refers to Chaos. Seth is worried that when the Blood Angels successors are once again tempted by the Ruinous Powers, the inexperienced Primaris marines could succumb to them taking their brothers down with them, to the side of the Warmaster

Seth: "I don't like you" *Punches Primaris* "I now accept the entirety of the Primaris"

It'll be real interesting if they start transforming all the chapter masters into Primaris marines like they did Marneus Calgar. Seth is already scary as an original astartes. A primaritized Seth would be a nigh unstoppable rage monster.

Wooo! You did it again Mr Rho! My favourite chapter, so under represented on YT!

If you listen hard enough you can hear Guilliman breathe a sigh of relief. A heavy sigh at that but a sigh indeed.

I completly agree with your last statemen Rho, also remember that Seth has seen what "cured angels" did to Ball before, and also beeing bigger and stronger carries disadvantages as well, but I doubt the primaris writers are smart enough to pick on that.

would be so interesting to see more reactions of different chapters when the Primaris came to them. Especially the special ones like Dark Angels, Black Templars, etc...

Kinda suprise when Seth didn’t kill the primaris right where he stood but instead spent time insulting him.

He believed them to be "ultramarines in red" until he saw the mix of anger and sorrow in his eyes he sees in all of the sons of sanguinius bear and accepted them with saying now you look like one of us, not meaning the blooded face but the rage lurking in their soul

You should cover the time when the Flesh Tearers deal with the Inquisition, by giving the Inquisitor a glimpse into the mind of a Death Company marine....

"I'm better than y..."-Ultraclone "What's that!? I can't hear you over my ludicrously massive chainsword!" - Gabriel Seth

this one is very good Rho, thank you

Great work on this Rho! That was an awesome story, and you told it very well. Definitely a thought provoking tidbit thrown in at the end, when Seth talks about the Primaris falling to the Rage. I Think in the Blood Angels and successor chapters case though, it is going to dependent on the Veteran Tech 1 Marines to help bridge the gap of knowledge early on. The main thing is that it's not like Cawl and Guilliman only portion out the Primaris from Mars ,and there is a break-in period like picking up a new rifle or tool. The technology was given to the Chapters to also begin the creation of their own Primaris forces through the normal means of candidate selection. This allows for chapters to still incorporate the knowledge and traditions that come with becoming a member of the bloodline into the new recruits development. Also lets be real about the likelihood of seeing Seth cross the Rubicon Primaris sooner rather than later. We have Calgar and Mephiston having made the leap and I'm sure tons of people want to the the 40K embodiment of the Doom Marine get into supreme rip and tear mode as well. Anyway, always thrilled to see a new video from you mate, Cheers!

Thanks for the video Rho 😁

A very extremely awesome and interesting video as always Wolf Lord Rho.

No views, 5 comments, 13 likes. This speaks of warp manipulation, I am looking at you Tzeentch.

It's funny, this is very much like the struggle for tradition before change. It is like Edmund Burke. Certainly, there will be change over time, perhaps improvement in some fashion. It is without the temperance of developed experience, tradition, and society that establishes the discerning process of what the brotherhood sees as what defines it. Seth instructs the primaris captain in what it means to be smaller, weaker, out-gunned, and with less kit but STILL overcome. Seth shouldn't have been able to win. The Flesh Tearers shouldn't still be walking around, let alone gaining victory. Here in the US, there is sometimes a problem with evaluating a quarterback for the NFL coming up from college. The kid coming up is bigger, faster, stronger, and has a better arm. Their numbers and measurables are simply better. Often though, the kid was a highly coveted recruit, coddled, cherished, and surrounded with the best talent to maximize his skills and with the best equipment so that they can have nothing interfering with their performance. The problem is that this kid was given everything. They are used to only working with the best talent and equipment, only the best input to provide only the best output. What happens in adversity? How do you beat a better opponent? How do you press an advantage when you have no advantage? What will the primaris do when they face the a situation that, rationally speaking, they can't win? It is more than dumb experience, although you do accrue experience. It is the forging and galvanization of the people, the team, the unit in the face of the fire. It is finding a way to push further than you should be able to, to expand the envelope of operation into some way that the enemy did not foresee, it is being willing to suffer to overcome. It is finding out how much deprivation you can really take. For the same reason, you cannot have military training be too civil, too humane, too conventional. There is growth in the struggle, in the pain, in the suffering that you cannot have in comfort or excess. When the primaris face the rage and the thirst, what well can they draw from to resist or give them that one line of influence on the monster they become? Seth just helped that pup captain spin his first line of control for when, by all reason, he is going to lose.

Sounds, to me, like when you get a new guy in an army unit. They have to prove themselves.

Damnit now I'm going to be pondering on this all night! (I know, I cry too much)

Great video as always bro 👌

Thank you for the video

It sounds a lot like Angron and Kharn when I heard this

Absolutely love this story.

The rage and sorrow on captians face is maybe what every original flesh tearer feels like everyday, even in defeat the captain was enraged, Seth saw himself in him and therefore recognized him as one of the flesh tearers, but in addition to the realization that they are also susceptible to the black rage and red thirst as they are or even more. Seth considers that as a strength, as an indication that they are indeed the sons of Sanguinius and not of Guiliman. I also enjoyed Seths philosophy of fighting, to never stop fighting and take the first initiative until there is nothing but blood left. This resembles in some ways the philosophy of fighting in the Krav Maga club that I trained in before. Use your rage and your determination (to never stop fighting until you cant even life your arms or legs anymore) in order to defeat your opponent. Rage is a powerful ally when you fight, especially when you BLACK out (maybe this means that we also feel at times a portion of black rage hehe). Hope to see more videos about the flesh tearers, I respect Seth a lot, he is not afraid to speak his mind.

A Flesh Tearers video, I'll go to sleep a happy man tonight

Cool content! Subscribed :)

Eight thousand more subscribers and you’ll hit 100K! Can’t wait until that day!

from a Flesh Tearers fan, thank you Rho!

Makes you think what Hawkboi would have said about this...

Gabriel defeated a Eversor Assassin bare handed. The captain didn't stand a chance.

it truly is a good thing to discuss. The whole argument that Primaris are either the cure as they have no specific modification of any primarch or the ticking bomb which will eventually lead Imperium to it's end. What if primaris start to mutate in various ways as connection of genes? Black Rage + Wolven? Maybe or Cawl was prepared for that? Many questions to answer

Gabriel Seth has always been an honorable champion.

Seth seems to get the measure of the captain, in the way the Spacemarines do which is fight. It's an overarching ingrained aspect of each chapter(chaos or loyal doesn't matter), the ol saying iron sharpens iron.

I have to put Wolf Lord Rho in the list of superior Warhammer channels, including 40k Theories and Oculus Imperia. He speaks with passion and clarity and his voice isn't boring either.

This is what I'm talking about! Some Flesh Tearers love! :D

Even if you're bigger and "Stronger", never look down on your peers. Specially the ones that had fought almost everything and anything in the current galaxy and have killed more foes than the number of years you have spent consciously living

Seth just jumped that dude into the chapter.

Remember when the Primaris had no deficiencies at all then GW 1984’d that out of existence so they’d stop getting roasted? Pepperidge Farms remembers...

@wolf lord rho it is better to deal with 1 than to deal with many... he will be an example and a testimony to what they should be. The life they live ... and what to expect

Now this is what I've been looking forward the most....

I did like this video before watching it. I was not disappointed by my decision after watching it.

I think the fight was a test not only for the captain but also for Seth himself. The idea of "you can only truly know someone after a fight". So Seth tested his mettle and his resolve and, somehow, understood that the primaris will most likely fall to the black rage, has they are not as perfect as Guilliman and Cawl make others believe, though they seem resistant to it. Thus his belief that when they fall, it will be much harder than normal. And with the idea that Primaris marines are not so infallible, he gained some acceptance for them.

Makes you wonder about the carcharadons being given the gift of the primaris, the red wake meeting the custodes would be one for the ages

There's this book that is still in Limited Edition only (aka sold-out on official site in seconds, and now costing triple on ebay) - Darkness in Blood. Last book of Dante trilogy. And there we learn everything about Blood Angels curse, its origin etc. When you get to read it, the primaris situation will make a lot more sense, and questions about Cawl's 'cure' will be answered. Though not posting anything here, as it is major spoilers, and most people are unable to get the book atm. Just heads up for you to grab Darkness in Blood ASAP when it gets general release.

Gabriel Seth just popped up..I'm back

Strike First and Keep Striking Until nothing but Blood Remains. That is the Seth I know and love. That is what a real deadly fighter does.

I don't think the Primaris Brasen Drakes acted like they did because they were loyal to their newly assigned chapter. To me it seemed like they truely felt that what the Custodes was doing was wrong, not to mention that defending their new chapter also meant defending themselves. I also don't think a lot of the Primaris are as loyal towards their newly assigned chapters as the old ones. Primaris (at least the unnumbered sons) weren't made by their chapter. They werent trained by their chapter and this is why they wont feel indebted to their chapter. They could have been assigned to any other chapter of the same lineage and I think that's what it is to them, an assignment. This is what Guilliman intended when he had them fight together in mixed squards from different gene-lines. If their gene-line doesn't matter to them, why should they care about an arbitrary division into chapters?

I feel like what he was wanting was that look at the end: the look of hatred and sorrow. It felt like the moment the primaris was “enlightened” by Seths worries and wasn’t able to say anything back. Was the moment Seth knew he was a flesh tearer. What I’m saying is that Seth and the flesh tearers are angry boys in a grim dark universe, but they have it like Ragnorak dark so secretly they’re pretty bummed about the gravity of their predicament.

"replacing all existing primarch lineages and making them ultramarines in red armour"

My opinion of this: Seth was hinting at how Space Marines (in general) are forged within the trials of fire and molding hands of combat. Primaris (presumably) were just built and made and didn’t under go the “traditional” rights as other, previous, Marines. And at the same time, hunting that, IF Primaris Marines are supposedly “stronger” than the Result of a Primaris Marine consumed by the Black Rage, without the traditional “indoctrination’s” of Blood Angels recruits etc... could result in a catastrophe. To me, this is akin to when real life military squad is forced to receive some new “Officer” whom, due to urgency etc..., is only an officer because they received a “College Degree” before the war forced them into combat and earned them an “officer” status without having gone through the rights of passage of original squad members. If that makes sense. Additionally, the Brazen Drakes Cpt was not so much defending the chapter he hadn’t met yet as he was defending himself and his brothers being transported. He was defending his stance that they “have no corruption” as they haven’t been around the original corruption.

He saw the rage in his eyes and he knows thats the fire of the Black rage inside the Primaris. Thats the reason he accepted them,and called him brother. He saw the same glint in the eye every Flesh tearer shares constant fight with the rage inside of them still contained by the sheer will of primaris.

@Wolf Lord Rho, I think Seth changes his thinking when he was punching the captain. When the captain is blacked-out maybe Seth saw something BloodAngely, like blackrage/bloodthurst. He saw it in the captain, now Seth is waiting for the Primaris to be activated

"This Is My House, These Are My Warriors" Seth is right to be cautious! But in the end Primaris are here to stay even within the Flesh Tearers.

So I've completed my IG army and I've wanted to make a Space Marine but I don't really like any of the main chapters (They're all okay) but I now know I want my Space marine army to be painted Flesh Terror red and black. Seth is awesome

Just a hint of Angron first meeting the World Eaters, but without killing the first few Primaris Captains he meets. Sanguinius is so close to the Warp by virtue of the Emperor making it one of his defining characteristics. The black rage and red thirst seem to be symptoms of that special

Reminds me A LOT of fight club, the book. Highly recommend reading for any Hardcore FT fans.

Just keep talking you’ll do great

Maybe during the beating of the Cpt, Seth could see the darkness in his eyes. Dormant, but there. A point of clarity that for Seth that they weren't cured, just sleeping. Just a thought. Would be nice to know what Seth was thinking at the time.

Sometimes things are understood through fist.

This is my opinion He wanted to teach him an important lesson "Everyone can fall. Only those with a strong will to get back up are worthy of respect."

Seth has shown he respects angles wrestling with the rage. That in resisting it they show their character. Dante's influence. From his point of view, either the Primaris won't have to face that and are just impostors. Or they will and won't withstand it and are a liability. I think it'll go full circle when a Primaris faces the rage and manages to put the chapters needs first... a play on the role of the Knights of Blood in the devastation.

It's interesting to see how what the custodes said is so true, that marines are more loyal to their chapters and primarchs than the emperors will. As the flesh tearers are so fearful of losing their only last connection to sanguinius

I think that Seth saw the primaris at first as little more than Ultramarines with red coats of paint. But while confronting the here primaris he saw that albeit green he could be made into Flesh tearer material, in due time

First rule of Flesh Tearers - don't talk about Flesh Tearers. Second rule: if you're in the chapter for first time you have to fight.

i think Seth views them as both a cure and something that could become something worse so he wanted to try breaking this captain to see if they would show signs of the curse and in the end i think he ended up viewing them as not a cure but rather more resistant and he knows that they do share the curse this allows him to call them brother but also sets up worries about what if they fall

Gabriel Seth is one of the wisest chapter masters in all truth. He more than any understands his duty and the burden of the Black Rage. I agree with the idea that he believes the Primaris could be their doom when/if they fall to the Black Rage.

YES MORE FLESH TEARERS!!!

Just off the record of how good this week has gotten with this vid and there encounter oofffpph! Tense... But what do you think of the astartes vids?.

Spirit breeds strength.

it really surprises me that you are so surprised about the Primaris attitude. after all most of the Chaapter loyality comes from the shared culture , training and indoctrination that comes from the fact that the Marine is recruited locally and trained, transformed and reeducated by the chapter in the way of the chapter ... Toivo is a unnumbered sun, meaning he is among those that were created at Mars by Cawl ... This means not only was he not brought up in the culture of the chapter , he is from a completely different era, as most of those turned into Primaris by Cawl were gathered thousand of years before this. Many of them from the era when the Legions were just split ... for them a Son of a Primarch would be synonymous with the founding chapter ... and even if they were somehow connected to the specific chapter either by originating from that chapters planet the culture of the chapter would be completely different in most cases compared to the 42nd milenium incarnation of course he would have no connection or loyalty to a specific chapter. This also manifests in the fact that most Grayshield Primaris yearn to be assigned to their founding chapter as that is what in their mind it means to be a son of their Primarch and because most of them were taken from the planets of those founding chapter and so they yearn to return home after all this time. We had the example Bjarni and his reaction to the fact that he would not be returning to Fenris because he was assigned to the new Wolfspear chapter created to guard the Pit of Raukos (Dark Imperium novel) The trouble Justinian Parris has with adapting to the Novamarines in the Plague Wars novel, seeing them as nothing but a pale imitation of the Ultramarines .... Or the difference that one Dark Angel Primaris former Greyshield Farren had with his Unforgiven brothers about the treatment of the human female they were questioning ... from the War of Secrets, you even made a video about it almost a year ago ... They have no real connection to the chapters they are assigned, even to the Founding one as there are thousand of years of difference between their are and the one they are now serving in ... and plus they have been trained on Mars. as Farren puts it the "logic of Mars and the human decency of Terra" to show how culturally they are far from their assigned chapters .... sure they are sons of their respective Primarch with all the quirks and tendencies that entails as we saw in the Dark Imperium novel when we saw that mixed company of the Greyshields ... but tempered by Martian and to an extent Terran values because of their training and indoctrination ... As for the Brazen Drake captain that could be down to the which Primarch which we do not know but from their attitude to the about the original Brazen Drakes and the name I would speculate they may have been sons of Vulcan which would explain this.

Love Seth he gives zero F**** about feelings. All business

I'm guessing he wanted to test the captain and make sure he knew his place

Greatest power main character card + plot armor.

*THIS IS MY HOUSE* *BEATS IN FLESH TEARER* Many thanks yet again a primaris seth would be awesome maybe he could end up crossing the rubicon the same way as Ragnar Blackmane die then come bk stronger as a primaris?

Seth is an interesting character. He seems like both a pragmatic individual who will utilize whatever tools he has to work with, including the rage, for the salvation of his beloved Imperium, and a brooding philosopher, capable of seeing what is really happening around him in the big picture without the taint of rose colored glasses. There is one thing that is absolute about Seth, Gabriel Seth cares about the Imperium, about the Sons of Sanguinius, About the black rage, about his legions honor, and about the future. I feel like he is legitimately terrified that the primaris will fall and the galaxy will suffer immeasurably more, but that the new blood sent to him are true Brothers of the Blood and thus he will not turn them away but do his absolute best to forge them into true Flesh Tearers.

A lot of fans seem to have missed the point Seth was actually wrong in DoB. And the point is moot: Primaris BA now have Black Rage.

I love daddy Seth so much !

How do you know regarding updated lore? I was wondering if primaris Marines for BA were able to still use red thirst and black rage on TT, seeing as they're considered pure now? But I heard you saw.primaris were falling to the black rage. Where do you read new lore? I'm suuuper new to this.

Wolf Lord Rho, i love your content but i have to say, the mecanicus OST gave so much more depth to your vids, i miss these vids. But keep on puting out good content, love your vids!