GADGETS#60 - TABLE SAW VIBRATION ANALYSIS

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5 жыл бұрын

Using a budget oscilloscope to perform vibration analysis and corrections on a table saw!
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@woodshopnerdery
@woodshopnerdery 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video, I learned a lot and will problem learn even more when I get a chance to watch it again!
@theGADGETSplaylist
@theGADGETSplaylist 2 жыл бұрын
I see you have a channel of your own...will squeeze in a bit of time and check it out:)
@davesage9190
@davesage9190 5 жыл бұрын
These lessons may come in handy when balancing my model engines. I'm going to have to study them (replay several times) and give them a try. Thanks
@theGADGETSplaylist
@theGADGETSplaylist 5 жыл бұрын
+Dave Sage - Should be able to apply this to your work. Temporary correction weight to confirm before permanent correction is important. Thanks for dropping by, Dave.
@monteglover4133
@monteglover4133 6 ай бұрын
I can not say for certain that the link belts would reduce the vibration on a table saw, But they definitely reduce the noise on small (2 hp and under) industrial fans. Most die cast pulleys are of poor quality, most cast iron pulleys are of better quality. The above is from my experience I’m not an engineer.
@theGADGETSplaylist
@theGADGETSplaylist 6 ай бұрын
all good points:)
@davesage9190
@davesage9190 4 жыл бұрын
Ok. Makes sense. I'll give it a try when the sensors arrive. Thanks
@theGADGETSplaylist
@theGADGETSplaylist 4 жыл бұрын
+Dave Sage - Get the photocell adjusted right, provide 5v and get signal from x-axis on ADXL335, interpret waveform as shown in this video, use protractor I provide in link to index rotor, confirm with a temporary correction weight before doing anything permanent and you'll succeed. It's a dynamic balancing procedure using an oscilloscope not found anywhere else on the internet!
@davesage9190
@davesage9190 4 жыл бұрын
Not being a mechanical engineer can you explain (if you already haven't) how the accelerometer restricted to measuring only in the one axis (up/down in this case) is different than the stethescope being mounted vertically at the top of the motor and being capacitor coupled (to filter out any piezo DC offset from static pressure). Wouldn't either give you a useful waveform of up/down deflection vs time? What am I missing?
@theGADGETSplaylist
@theGADGETSplaylist 4 жыл бұрын
Dave Sage - the best way I can explain it is the the ADXL335 has "freedom of motion" while the piezo does not. So, the X-axis is allowed to move from one direction to the opposite direction, unrestricted producing a sine like waveform. The piezo hits a wall...rebounds...waveform becoming complicated, unusable.
@billrimmer5596
@billrimmer5596 5 жыл бұрын
Once again I am dazzled. The response time of your tools must b very quick. Thank u. I am picking up a little each time I watch your videos. Did u say u were way north of Toronto?
@theGADGETSplaylist
@theGADGETSplaylist 5 жыл бұрын
+Bill Rimmer - yes, both the stethoscope and the accelerometer are very sensitive and have fast responses. Less than $3 each which makes it all the more impressive! Am 10 hrs north of TO...Kapuskasing.
@craniummatter
@craniummatter 3 жыл бұрын
I think I'm having a similar issue with a very similar Delta contractor saw. I can see by naked eye the pulley closer to the saw blade wobble, and the whole thing rattles. This should be incredibly helpful with troubleshooting it.
@theGADGETSplaylist
@theGADGETSplaylist 3 жыл бұрын
cool! hope it does help and I'm here if any questions Bruno... Denis
@arvindh13
@arvindh13 4 жыл бұрын
I'm making one for myself, I'm using a 2hp motor, when I turn it on the whole setup starts to shake, should I add more weight?
@theGADGETSplaylist
@theGADGETSplaylist 4 жыл бұрын
Add more weight where, Arvindh? Are you trying to balance a pulley with an accelerometer as shown in this video? The size of the motor does not matter. The principle remains the same. I would run motor with no belt and no pulley and confirm it does not shake. Then, I would run motor with pulley and no belt and see if it shakes. That would confirm it's the pulley, right? Then, I would run it with belt.
@Mark.zim0402
@Mark.zim0402 2 жыл бұрын
Could you let me know what motor you replaced it with? I’m needing to do the same to my old saw. Thanks.
@theGADGETSplaylist
@theGADGETSplaylist 2 жыл бұрын
don't know the brand and it's in a bad spot in a very cold garage at the moment so I can't get to it right now... as stated in video, it is 1.5HP ... 3450 RPM ... sealed motor so dust can not go into windings as the original motor ... could have been wired 240v or 120v ... I chose 120v for convenience... they don't give good quality motors like this away!
@juanmgomezb
@juanmgomezb 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Denis, it's a very interesting topic, may I know where did you get your accelerometer?
@theGADGETSplaylist
@theGADGETSplaylist 3 жыл бұрын
It's ADXL335 ...the analog accelerometer Not to be confused with the ADXL345, the digital output version They're found on Aliexpress...about $3 Perhaps on eBAY as well, Juan...not sure
@juanmgomezb
@juanmgomezb 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks you Denis. I'll check it out. :)
@martinlorenrd4073
@martinlorenrd4073 5 жыл бұрын
You are going to balance almost everything you have at hands right? 😁
@theGADGETSplaylist
@theGADGETSplaylist 5 жыл бұрын
+Martinloren R&D - by the time I'm done, the world will be a much smoother place😎 As always thanks for watching, Martin!
@martinlorenrd4073
@martinlorenrd4073 5 жыл бұрын
@@theGADGETSplaylist 😁😁😁
@merrickbenton3549
@merrickbenton3549 3 жыл бұрын
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@philiporlando616
@philiporlando616 3 жыл бұрын
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@davesage9190
@davesage9190 4 жыл бұрын
Ok. I''ll have to give that a try when the sensor arrives. Which reminds me I need to also order the reflective sensor. I think it's near impossible to balance a single cylinder engine without maybe huge ugly counter weights. Most of the shaking / imbalance comes from thrust of the 2" piston and 4" stroke when it fires. For reference it's this engine. You can see it run here. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rd2Bh9KQx7y8hGw.html That's 90 lbs of two parallel 14" flywheels you see there. It has a heck of a kick. It has balance weights on the flywheels derived from calculations and a bit of trial and error with a piezo vibration sensor I made simply to measure if was better or worse from previous trial weights. It it much better than without weights but Maybe some improvements can be made. All in good time.
@theGADGETSplaylist
@theGADGETSplaylist 4 жыл бұрын
+Dave Sage - man, there's lots to cover here! Trying to compensate the recoil of a power stroke through balancing, especially on unpredictable hit and miss engine isn't likely to succeed. My opinion, and I very well could be wrong (it happens)... My view is that we have to distinguish between unbalance and power stroke "recoil". Here's where your newly built stethoscope in FFT mode can come in. Do not take reading in same plane as engine recoil (too violent). I suggest perpendicular to the base. You should see a fairly stable Hz that corresponds to the engine RPM. That's your unbalance, not that the instrument is capable of telling you at what angle to place a correction weight but is capable of telling you that it is occurring at 1x RPM. Then, there will be many other frequency peaks on the FFT screen. Most of those will represent irregular power strokes and should be lower Hz than RPM as they occur randomly and less frequently. Concentrate on the VERY low frequencies...RPM equivalent and lower. Higher frequencies will be harmonics, frame resonance, echoes, etc...of no interest to us. Let me know what you see...
@davesage9190
@davesage9190 4 жыл бұрын
I don't imagine there's much that can be done about the "kick" but when it is coasting it does bounce around a bit on the table and that's what I worked on with the previous piezo setup I had. I don't recall where I placed it - probably somehow coupled to the mounting base. I think I did the best I could with what I had. Perhaps a revisit using the new stethescope along with your suggestions will give more meaningful readings. It won't happen any time soon. It's not really bad and most of the problem is the kick. It actually lifts the front of the stand slightly if you don't fasten it down. I compensated a bit by retarding the timing to well past TDC which tamed it down quite a bit. It's a beast. Thanks for your interest.
@theGADGETSplaylist
@theGADGETSplaylist 4 жыл бұрын
@@davesage9190 - your model engines are interesting that's for sure. Glad to be of help.
@danedewaard8215
@danedewaard8215 9 ай бұрын
Sir, I think it is time for you to buy a metal lathe and make your own pulleys! Put the money you would spend on custom or high end pulleys into the lathe and you will be a double winner: 1) Perfect pulleys and 2) a new shop tool!!!!!!!!
@theGADGETSplaylist
@theGADGETSplaylist 9 ай бұрын
I'm a very frugal guy...you won't see me spend lots of money on pulleys:) as to the lathe, I promised myself I'd not get one in retirement...did enough of that in my machinist working years...and another problem with those is that all of a sudden you have more friends, all wanting shit machined...nope
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