It's a Sonic game! Why are you even surprised!?

@@FlameJackstar Well because you don´t often hear the developers unravel the truth, I guess that´s what it is lol

Thats mostly the case for most buggy games. The devs and qa team usually do know what they're doing and want to do their best, but unelastic release schedules force them to finish games in whatever state they can

This is why that I will NEVER let anyone from executive branches have ANY say in the development process. SOLELY the *actual programmers.* Keep your grabby mitts in the business branch and out of where the real importance is. The game will be finished when it’s as pristine as possible, no matter the date. *SCHEDULES CAUSE SHOVELWARE*

@Dylan Ogega No, but I plan to be the head of my own team for an indie game.

No, Sonic 06 definitely had level completion blocking bugs. If I'm not mistaken, I recall it being fairly easy to get softlocked in the Silver fight.

Wasn't there also a bug where you could never get the billiard ball to respawn ever again in Silver's desert level?

@@hatandhoodie_ Yup, there was a bug where you could be caught in a infinite loop during the silver fight. You'd get hit, fall over, lose and ring, stand back up and get hit again.

@Tom Blair its a shame really. one more year and the game would have been so good

@Tom Blair not to mention they took people off that project to work on secret rings of all things.

And yet there's still the morons on r/rantgrumps who loose their shit anytime arin says something bad about sonic or any game they like for that matter. This game is indefensible in some spots but the no life's on that thread still find a way😂

@@hayden7062 god I fucking hate rantgrumps, especially after what they tried to do to Dan

@@OtisCluck they're all such losers with no life that act like they know everything about people they've never met. They act like they know everything about Arin's personal life, including what he's thinking. They act like people dont make mistakes. Like I've never seen people so fixated about someone they hate. A person they hate for the most petty, insignificant stuff. (As you can tell this kinda gets me heated lol)

@@OtisCluck still happy the girl which was the "victim" of the controversy legit tried to stop it the day or 2 after that came out. She and Dan had a fling and she probably was hurt about it, but she wasn't gonna let him take all the unnecessary burden and possible end to his career over an exaggeration and biased leaning of their story.

@Unstoppable Plays! isnt dsp literally a character he puts on

More along the lines of “they clipped through walls and level boundaries so we could see sonic run”

@@MrMochi-nl1zb yes

People with the activision mindset make this garbage happen. "There's nothing like a good foie gras." If you dont know what I'm talking about, please look up noodle's interview with marty o'donnell about dev crunch

This is why that I will NEVER let anyone from executive branches have ANY say in the development process. SOLELY the *actual programmers.* Keep your grabby mitts in the business branch and out of where the real importance is. The game will be finished when it’s as pristine as possible, no matter the date. *SCHEDULES CAUSE SHOVELWARE*

I don't know about that. No schedules also risk the game being vaporware. It is good to be able to set some goals I agree that Sega is too strict. They make lots of money from pachinko machines though. If they really need to pinch for time, they should hire more staff. I think the problem is Sonic Team Japan is just really small and often split into half for different projects.

I swear it feels like that in sonic forces

@@SukaNekoto if you wanna look at an example of no schedule or oversight look at anthem they went 5 or 6 years with basically no real development happening

Arin Hanson's quality seal of approval.

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Love your pfp!!!

Knuckles in Sonic Boom: "and i took that personally"

it is

Of course it still happens. Much of the time, buggy games are due to time constraints. It's nothing new.

That’s why we have day 1 patches. It passes certification, goes gold, sent for duplicating then they find more bugs, shrug and keep going. Unless it’s Tony Hawk 5 - the day 1 patch was the entire game. What was on the physical disc was just the training level.

Part and parcel of crappy product development, particularly outside of games. Bad project managers make excuses for why it is ok to ship bad software and fight dev team leads, solution architects, test leads and deployment staff to ship trash before it is ready, and they get away with it because executives care about hitting deadlines and PMs deal in things execs directly care about (money, time). Costs pass from development to support teams and they get a raw deal as they're forced to maintain all that crap. Meanwhile codebases become snarled messes and PMs perpetuate the lie that it's not possible to write excellent code that can stand the test of time. Software is expensive and takes time and can't be rushed. Them's the breaks.

Oddworld Soulstorm comes to mind

It will always happen. Sometimes a bug can be found and seen in gameplay but hard to track down exactly where the bug is happening in your source and even if you find it too hard to fix because certain fixes can mess with other lines of code and make more of a problem that can't be fixed before a game is to go gold. So if it isn't game breaking then yeah, it's ignored. It will always happen. It's why you have exploits and glitches that people use for challenge or speed runs in games.

The xbox version is also good too.

It is still far from playable my dude, anytime I put it in my gamecube it makes me regret doing so instantly

@@crafalgar9719 it's really not a bad game and it's playable. You're just one of few in the minority that happen to not like the game.

@@crafalgar9719 yeah I felt the same way when I got it as a kid

@@crafalgar9719 Ngl hearing someone call a game "LiTeRaLLy uNpLaYaBLe" typically just means they're incapable of playing a game that isn't like, toddler levels of handholding. Like, the very concept of calling something "unplauable" is inherently going to look like a whiny overexaggeration lmao. It's perfectly playable, and it's actually pretty fun too. Not my favorite Sonic game no, and not quite on the same level as Adventure 1 and 2, but still good.

@Dark 9-Volt WELCOME TO SONIK TEAM, WE MYAKE GAYMES I FINK! Ey Ray...*finger snaps*

What the FUCK is a Sonic?

Oh boy, Colors Ultimate is practically the pinacle of a perfect art piece ruined.

Wait a minute Ray...? Wot Ave we done 'o Sonic?

*snorts cocaine* What the FUCK is a Sonic!?

Correct, but arin is also a dumbass because he struggled to beat this game as a grown man when I beat this game easily as a 12 year old

@@CookingWithoutPantsOn on which console?

they stayed with the buggiest edition because it gets the most reactions

@@CookingWithoutPantsOn go outside

But yet couldn't finish Sonic '06. Partly because his counter grump decided to leave to the east coast.

@TrainerblueTube I still feel like that game was a fever dream that never happened

Ironically Forces is one of the least buggy Sonic games.

Yeah the only problem is the glitch that Arin mentioned isnt something you encounter easily and the games were balanced and fixed enough that you could beat a level without any issue, even on the PS2 version.

*Iizuka (with an i)

I'm rooting for him on the next Sonic game. He truly cares about the series, Anybody would've let Sonic die at this point

@@j19aiden91 I just wish he cared enough to keep the lore a bit more consistent, no more of that two worlds nonsense.

@@connorbeith3232 I don't know if this is what you are talking about but I remember they wanted to separate into two separate canons; one for western audiences and one for eastern. It could have gone well and the western team had a very intricate story thought out. About 80% through production the eastern team said they couldn't make an origin story because ( despite the different canons ) they said the east wanted to do an origin story first. And this was after when 60% done, the western team were made change game engine. So it was a buggy mess with nonsensical seemingly lore related stuff having no bearing on story while an indecipherable piece of garbage was used as story. Now realise I could have described any sonic game, and if I didn't mention the setbacks it would have sounded good. That's the thing with Sega. They spend more time tripping over themselves and making dumb and pointless decisions. There is a series called "wha happun" and all the sonic episodes have the same terrible production threads. And incase you're wondering, the game I was talking about was Boom. Just for an extra killer of the two cannons concept

@@donaghwilson7715 That's not what he's talking about. Iizuka mentioned once that Sonic's world is separate from Earth (even though the Adventure games say otherwise), or that Classic Sonic is from "another dimension" instead of being just a younger version of Sonic like in Generations. He's retconning the series for the worse for no real reason.

No, actually, he doesn't need vindication. Arin intentionally tries to make Sonic games appear more buggy than they are, most likely trying to re-create the success of their Sonic 06 series. You can find concrete examples of this if you watch the video "This Is How You DON'T Play Sonic Adventure DX - Game Grumps Edition". Make no mistake, Sonic 06 is a travesty, and I wouldn't wish that game on anyone. But Arin has been trying to portray several Sonic games as "being worse than 06", which is objectively not true.

@@Johncw87 mad

@@nashvontookus7451 Replying to a 5 month old comment that states a fact just to make a proclamation about how "mad" I must be. Grow up.

@@Johncw87 Well, you responded pretty angrily, so you must still be quite mad ;)

@@nashvontookus7451 You can choose to interpret it as anger if you really want to. You would be wrong though.

That’s a bit of a low bar don’t you think?

@@ethankrieger1210 Now that I think about it yet, yeah I guess so, Sonic.exe did creep me out as a 14 year old but it's been a while since. My perception should've changed.

I mean end of the day more sales is more sales. It wouldn't make sense to do a purposeful bad job when thats money down the drain. Main guess is deadline crunch. It had to ship a certain date that was unreasonable soon. So they just had to go all hands on deck and release a game that meets compliance.

@@ceresbane I don't think they did it purposefully, that'd be dumb. But they were willing to delay the PC port a few months because it needed more time, while the PS2 version was pushed out the door as soon as it cleared the very low bar of "you can finish it". That's why there was a rumor that Sony forced them to release all three versions simultaneously regardless of state.

@@axelprino contractual obligations be like that. that would still create a crunch rush to ship scenario.

Knowing Sony, that doesn’t surprise me.

I've heard this several times before, and I find it more valid than this crackpot letter Darksydeph-I mean Arin got.

Dude don't say that or the adventure fans who definitely aren't blinded by nostalgia (they swear on it) will come and hunt you down

Generations and Colors would like to have a word with you

This is just outright bullshit and you know it.

@Xavior sorry man :( ill try not speak the truth next time :(

@@adfrayne4506 so you just assume all adventure fans grew up with the adventure games and some didn't just start playing them recently

for the switch players I guess you don't have to see anything to complete the game

That’s odd. I played a lot of copies of Heroes on PS2 (lost them a lot) and I don’t think I’ve experienced those bugs before. I wonder if it was a problem specific to a certain platform, or copy given that I don’t believe it’s possible to update games on older consoles.

The roller chase section part isn’t a bug, it just happens when it feels like it. I think it’s something to do with how fast the team is going along with how far they are from the “boulder”

@@LordScout "It just happens when it feels like it." That...that's literally what a bug is. Have you even seen what happens on the ramp before the orca chase in Sonic Adventure DX? Just look up Game Grumps' earliest episodes of their playthrough of the game; literally what happened to me verbatim my first playthrough! That is a textbook example of a bug! I've been hit before the ramp, even whilst going as fast as possible as the Speed character. The way I understand, it's a scripted chase, but unlike the aforementioned example with Sonic Adventure where speed actually DOES matter (or cheesing it in the Lost World's flaming rock chase segment where you can just get behind it before it rolls off the platform to chase you), here it's just the game being like "Nah, I don't feel like letting you win today, you're losing all of your lives or quitting; and no, you don't have another option here." >.>

@@bluestreaker9242 i said it wasn’t a bug because it seems like technically it’s working fine. I know the part you’re talking about and it’s fucked me over countless times throughout the years, but it’s not doing anything it’s not supposed to by hitting you mid ramp

@@LordScout Tch! Okay, then, it's a glitch! Whatever! It still hits you even after you've cleared the ramp, wherein there's no way for the rock to be touching you, which is indefensible! All in all, they need to stop with this utter bullshit and let the developers take their fucking time and stop rushing games out before their finished! I'm tired of publishers leaning on this practice! >.>

"I wonder what game I should play, I know I should read the comments"

I'll bet you're the guy who made it. Coming in here, trying to sneakily promote you're own work. You think you're slick, but I'm on to you! xD

@@ImmaLittlePip I always forget about that bit, but when I'm going through a re-watch marathon the sounds he makes during that part ALWAYS gets me.

@@justinanderson267 I wish. No, I just have great memories of watching Old JonTron videos and Jon Grumps, so I always smile when I'm reminded of those memories.

*WHAT THE FUCK IS A SONIC?!?*

Same

Exactly this, the fact that people believe anyone would send this to arin is hilarious.

Yeah this sounds fake as fuck, literally anyone could have emailed Arin under the guise of a bug tester and there would be no way of proving it to be legit. The fact that so many people believe this without a second thought sheds some light of the average intelligence of a Game Grumps viewer...

Makes up a Russian bootleg console just to promote a game that immediately fizzled out too.

Probably means the disc was scratched or something

NoooOOOOOOOOOO!!!

That's not true? He worked on Sonic 06 as well - in fact he quit midway through development.

@@yutuberocks22 And there's a reason why he quit. Because the higher ups at Sega only cared about making a quick buck at the cost of the game quality, and at this point, Naka, Ohshima and Yasuhara had it enough and left!

Thank you. I’m glad people can acknowledge that instead of just chalking it up to “the people who make these games have no idea what they’re doing.”

Until Sonic 06 came along.

Sorry you didn't get more likes on this, cuz it's great

@TrainerblueTube no one said I had one

Under Activision.

Theres a series called "wha happun" and in all sonic related episodes you can see that almost none of the original team is there at the end

Sonic fans are loyal to a point that it becomes really toxic, even if someone has legitimate criticisms they get spammed with hate

@@ethanruzic8071 and we love em for keeping that as his special trait tho lmao he takes pride in it

I mean good point, but sometimes the problem is that some of the good Sonic games are him playing the worst ports(As well as incorrectly) to say the game is bad.

Yeah, someone besides Arin should have the controller

Debts do that to you

@@AkameGaKillfan777 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

In his defense this time, it's really not forgivable to force someone to have to pick and choose a version of your game that's actually playable by more than just "technical definition", which sounds like was Sega's goal for the PS2 version. Playable by definition only.

they did on the emulator and it was still pretty buggy and poorly designed

@@donb7519 define poorly designed…I have the OG Xbox version and there has never been any bug or glitch that has prevented me from completing a level. I also hope you have played the game to make a statement such as the one you made.

@@allen9621 tbf buggy may not be the technical word for the hit deyection problems with rails and such but badly designed is having a game focused on speed filled with insta death drops with 0 railings not to mention the game is crammed with mechanics that will literally only matter once like the level ups or how the power characters can aim the canon if you want a more thorough critique from an og sonic fan look up geek critiques vid on heroes although it is a long vid

He likes to play the worst versions of Sonic games. He said on Twitter he'll be playing the messed up port of Colors, even though the Wii version's been sitting there for a decade.

@@dankwaifu2093 Is that why he chose to play the DX port of Sonic Adventure over the Dreamcast original?

@@jakescartoons6045 If he even knew of the differences, maybe. It's probably why he played the Wii version of Unleashed, though.

@@dankwaifu2093 why would he do that? Did he hate Sonic so much that he want to end it?

@@zestytriss5282 I honestly don't think Arin actually hates Sonic, he doesn't care enough to hate it. Yeah, he gets frustrated playing Sonic games (a frustration he kinda unnecessarily brings upon himself), but it's all one big gag to him. To Arin, the franchise is just a big joke, and he finds it the most entertaining to show off how bad things are. That's why he isn't interested in playing the "good ones" like Colors and Generations, and seems to actively hunt down the worst versions of other games. He likes and has a respect for the classics and Mania, but that really doesn't extend to the rest of the series.

Add Ubisoft and Bethesda to that list too.

even worse because an artificial deadline meant they couldnt even take out all the game breaking bugs