We used Tosa and were pleased

@@APBT-Bandog ever use Presa canario ?

@@TeeandMack I have not

Hard working American bulldogs all the way

@@tonykleinschmidt2327 If the AB has APBT added in it, maybe, but if it is a purebred AB...then you have respiration issues, heat tolerance issues, hip issues, rank issues, and white coat which is highly visible and easier for a criminal to see and shoot.

Using cold dogs is not a wise practice. Making that a common practice means you are willing to breed dogs that do not display the desired traits.

Not interested in them. Domestication refined the dogs to perform specific tasks of our desire...so while a wolf is ideal for survival in the wild, the dog outperforms the wolf for specific tasks...plus the dog works well with humans.

Gameness is not only an apbt trait, and apbt breeders are not the inventors of the concept either. Gameness is when a dog will stay on the task for which it was bred, no matter what. A game greyhound will stay after the prey till he has to drag itself forward trying to reach it. Foxterriers were gametested by sending them down after the fox and take hold and stay on hold till they were dug out with the fox in its mouth. The example of the hog dog that stayed on the hog till it was unconscious. However, gameness in the apbt is tested to the extreme. So much so that the breed has taken over and apropiated the term gamebred.

You might struggle with lurchers as they are generally not more than a few generations away from the purebred parent stock. In the UK we have some awesome lurchers but it’s very hard to get them to breed true. You will regularly get a champ and a dud within the same litter. If the parent stock are both game bred you have a much better chance but it is always a gamble.

The difference in gameness of the game breed APBT and any other breed of dog is HUGE!!!

Na, you just have to be a scientist that knows how the system works. The more levels of protection one builds in, the better.

@@APBT-Bandog no i referring to what you said about learning from the old guys that came before us doing illegal stuff with their dogs but new how to breed and the fact you can learn from their books but you don't have to do illegal things with the dogs to prove them and that the police use the same things use a thief to catch a thief love what you do and love your dogs