Games Within Games | A History of "Forgetful Fish"
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This video tells the story of "Forgetful Fish," the kitchen table Magic format also known as Dandân.
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📘 Chapters:
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7:03 Shared Deck, Shared Topdeck
12:23 Variants Within Variants
17:40 The Droste Effect
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22:46 The Cult of Dandân
📓 Sources:
docs.google.com/document/d/1nLLsrRfv6qRvri8zIHnxqUjOeUGS-o_izVicthyRzYM/edit - Forgetful Fish Rules & Primer - Nick Floyd
infinite.tcgplayer.com/article/What-is-Dandan-MTG-s-Forgetful-Fish-Format/7d6590b5-8e78-44f5-92c6-511049676fea/ - What is Dandân? (Feb 2023)
commandersherald.com/weird-magic-formats-whats-the-deal-with-dandan/ - What’s the deal with Dandân? (July 2022)
www.boltthebirdmtg.com/post/forgetful-fish-what-is-dandan-how-to-play - Dandân - Magic’s Strangest Format (Dec 2022)
blog.cardkingdom.com/fringe-format-dandan/ - Fringe Format: Dandân (Sep 2022)
www.moxfield.com/decks/vllFKQYCuU661Nm40oBHCw - Moxfield decklist - Nick Floyd
LoLHfang/status/1574877934539644949 - Dandân alternative - Wrath Wrath
www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?31004-Super-fun-Magic-variants-to-share - Magic Variants - Nick Floyd (2016)
www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/vthqj2/black_version_of_dandan_based_around_ichorid/ - Black version of Dandân - Ichorid
www.moxfield.com/decks/VTXAF57kh0WE1GoTxr9mfg - White version of Dandân - Lost Leonin
magic.wizards.com/en/news/feature/playing-magic-solitaire-2010-02-15 - Magic Solitaire (2010)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic:_The_Gathering_formats - MTG Formats
www.reddit.com/user/nickphloid - Nick Phloid Reddit
www.redbull.com/us-en/the-history-of-dota - History of DotA
lanepushinggames.com/article/aeon-of-strife - Lane-Pushing Games: Aeon of Strife
lanepushinggames.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/aeon_of_strife71.png - Aeon of Strife Map
daviddannelly.com/blog/zjYm/the-origin-of-the-moba-aeon-of-strife-and-defense-of-the-ancients - Aeon of Strife and the Origin of MOBA
www.angelfire.com/sc3/blizzard2/maps.html - Gunner_4_Ever’s Angelfire site
blog.ocad.ca/wordpress/vism2b15-fw2011-01/2011/10/dota-defence-of-the-ancients-allstars/ - DotA History
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droste_effect - The Droste Effect - Wiki
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dandan - Dandan (1001 Nights)
en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Book_of_the_Thousand_Nights_and_One_Night/Abdallah_the_Fisherman_and_Abdallah_the_Merman - Abdallah the Fisherman and Abdallah the Merman
www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/fr9qc4/dandan_from_arabian_nights_next_set_antiquities/ - Fanmade oil painting of Dandân
kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qsxkotCfss2VZXk.html - DanDân - Cardboard Tutor
kzfaq.info/get/bejne/eeBldLCEtLWWqGg.html - History of Matryoshka
kzfaq.info/get/bejne/Y5lphb151Mq0lKc.html - Aeon of Strife 2 - Gameplay
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@RhysticStudies Жыл бұрын
Here are the links to all three of Nick Floyd's original designs. Forgetful Fish: docs.google.com/document/d/1nLLsrRfv6qRvri8zIHnxqUjOeUGS-o_izVicthyRzYM/edit Rock-Paper-Scissors: docs.google.com/document/d/1z2AEeOtbwzM_dplDE-60iUjH0_pbZXd8_-smYEATovc/edit Trippin': docs.google.com/document/d/1Cf4NFx1ZlHE1ISS7aYYnbrBTR6H30yYbKax5iubK3qI/edit
@LookADistarction Жыл бұрын
Hell yeah! Thanks for the links!
@Dadutta 11 ай бұрын
please do an analysis of RPS and Trippin'
@joshua3122 2 ай бұрын
Honestly, I'm excited to try out the format!
@NicksMagicstorytime Жыл бұрын
This is the original creator, Nick Floyd. I’m thrilled it caught a following finally. Try the other two, especially the three player RPS if you enjoy multiplayer like Commander.
@-Joe_Black- Жыл бұрын
Whoa, this is awesome! Can I cast @RhysticStudies here for attention?
@-Joe_Black- Жыл бұрын
It doesn't seem to work. But let me still try to bring this comment to the top.
@bradenbowdish6463 Жыл бұрын
I love the game you've created nick :)
@aidenferguson9355 Жыл бұрын
@RhysticStudies Let's see if this cast works. Nick, I took a look at your other variants and I absolutely love the design of Trippin'! Alongside a Forgetful Fish set, I am absolutely making and modifying a Trippin' set to play with my campus playgroup. If I'm not mistaken, these three games are built around the concepts of card advantage, board state, and game politics, correct? I'm inspired to go make my own custom format!
@nunyabiznes7446 Жыл бұрын
the most in-character reply possible lol. Love your variant man
@GooseTronics Жыл бұрын
I hope this video finds Nick Floyd someday... totally printing a proxy deck and gonna bring it with me to music festivals
@skyguytomas9615 Жыл бұрын
Yes please do.
@GooseTronics Жыл бұрын
@@adintijerina7596 oh , sorry... sure ill stop... my bad
@who_what Жыл бұрын
praying he finds this and accepts an interview. would love to hear his reaction on how his esoteric format has found a receptive audience
@Mecal00 Жыл бұрын
@@who_what interview or not, I really just want him to have the knowledge that his format has found success 🥺
@KevinMartin-lp1tn Жыл бұрын
I think I may have found Nick Floyd's email. Sam emailed what was provided in the document, but I think it was misspelt based off of what was shown in the video.
@kytehq Жыл бұрын
"it seems nick floyd had memory lapse up" is such a banger line...
@skyguytomas9615 Жыл бұрын
For reaaal 😂 Lapse piles on the stack are one of my favorite parts of Dandan.
@traviswilson36 Жыл бұрын
How? It's wack.
@NicksMagicstorytime Жыл бұрын
A funny line, but I just stopped checking that email and should have changed it. But I’m thrilled it caught a following. Try the other two, especially RPS if you enjoy multiplayer like Commander.
@noesunyoutuber7680 Жыл бұрын
@@NicksMagicstorytime THE MAN HIMSELF!?
@Shireke01 Жыл бұрын
@@NicksMagicstorytime the myth the legend the forgetful fish????
@BanditZRaver Жыл бұрын
Nick Floyd, You are the man who plants trees not knowing their shade, we will take up your Forgetful Fish/Dandan and pass it on. And thank you too RS for another delve on the Treasure Cruise
@LinkEX Жыл бұрын
I feel like Dandan started out of a desire to give previously useless but mechanically interesting cards a home. (An islandhome, in this case.)
@skyguytomas9615 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, the shared deck archtype opens up so many possibilities. I might have to make a discord for brewing, discussing, and finding games in this space if one doesn't exist yet. The last list I was working on centered around three copies of Shahrazad, which opens up some very interesting gameplay if you're into that.😅
@PlayingWithPowerMTG Жыл бұрын
Hey Sam, Cal here. It was great to play with you & show you this silly little thing. Can’t wait to play again. Loved the vid. :)
@SirToastyToes Жыл бұрын
Knew I'd see you here ;)
@traviswilson36 Жыл бұрын
Sounds kinda gay.
@nubnub8202 Жыл бұрын
this video spurred my interest in this! Thanks for showing them this game and helping further pass along DanDan!
@TheRensvind Жыл бұрын
Would be funny to see a Dandan game on Playing With Power
@andrewseaman9913 Жыл бұрын
As somebody who designs micro-games, I know that struggle. Glad Nick got his work out into the world.
@danielklein5829 4 ай бұрын
"the second response ignore's Floyd's message" is such a succinct way of describing interacting on a forum post 80% of the time. People just seem incapable of answering the question asked or not reading every post as an opportunity to offer unsolicited advice.
@NicksMagicstorytime Ай бұрын
I didn't see it at the time, but watching Sam's video made me see the post about "Playing Magic Solitaire" was likely a dig at me. "Please try my games." "Nah, play by yourself ya loser." Ouch. Well, if it was an insult, I guess I won in the end. Dandan lives!
@colinjones5379 Жыл бұрын
Man every time I feel like putting magic behind me forever... here comes Samsâm with the beautiful message of fun, community-driven gameplay
@ivanlrodriguez Жыл бұрын
one does not simply stop playing mtg
@lordmox21 Жыл бұрын
When I started playing in 1998 I did'nt understand the card's art, I thought the two boats was some sort of broken hour glass and did'nt pay too much attention to the background. Many players in my region used to play mono blue, almost all of them had a few copies in the sideboard. Once I was watching a mono blue mirror and was able to recognize the giant fish lurking bellow... it was terrifying! I told the players and them where surprised as well, imagine swimming in those waters with a creature of that size lurking bellow. Those were the days of OG MTG art.
@moralessanchezoscarelias6412 Жыл бұрын
I thought the same thing about the art!
@timstalam Жыл бұрын
I am nostalgic for this kind of mtg art appreciation. Love that you shared this story !
@ChewbaccaOnDrugs1130 Жыл бұрын
This feels special to me cause my nickname growing up was Dandan and it was an inside joke around the lgs to sneak a dandan into my deck box or in my bag constantly lmao One day someone gave me a foil Dandan and have kept it and cherished it to this day haha
@daredewley9231 Жыл бұрын
I was in Philly, like two tables from Sam, while Braden and Cal were teaching him Dandân. This has now become another cool memory from Philly.
@halokillerpwner846 Жыл бұрын
Two videos in a row what a blessing😭
@overmused Жыл бұрын
Some time in the early 2000s I was sitting around at Sci-Fi city in Orlando, waiting for our big multiplayer casual MTG games to start. Some guy I didn't know asked if I wanted to play a fun magic variant and it was this very format. I wish I remembered his name, but he was well known at the time for building funky decks. He had a set of decks centered around Rock Lobster, Scissors Lizard, and Paper Tiger all designed to play a 3 player free-for-all. He had an entire deck made from non-standard sized magic cards. We played a couple games and he absolutely crushed me every time. I slowly started getting the idea of timing my spells around when I could draw or deny him from drawing. I even won one game where I resolved an early dandan and had enough counters and removal to properly sequence enough swings. I felt super accomplished that I had finally figured out the process of the format. This video brought back a lot of memories. I hope that guy is still doing well, still making weird decks and weird formats, and playing with weird cards.
@NicksMagicstorytime Жыл бұрын
That was me! Nick Floyd. Those were the variant decks I posted. Forgetful Fish, Trippin, and Rock, Paper, Scissors online in 2016. You played RPS. I still have the giant deck too. I’m hoping people try my other variants too.
@overmused Жыл бұрын
@@NicksMagicstorytime Holy shit, really? What are the fucking odds??? That's awesome to hear man. Those weird quirky formats were fun to play on the occasionally times we played. I didn't truly appreciate the quirks of variant formats back then as I was still learning the game itself.
@NicksMagicstorytime Жыл бұрын
@@overmused Yeah. Small world. I lived in Orlando for 6 months in 2000 working for the mouse and a year and a half in 2004-2005 going to school. It is cool to reconnect with someone I introduced my variants to back then. Magic is my favorite game of all time because it is so modular and robust. I love experimenting with weird variants. I hope people discover the other two and try them out too.
@MrRib Жыл бұрын
Just wanna shout out Braden who taught you DanDan, I sold off all my commander decks to him during SCGcon dallas last year, used those to finally buy into my favorite modern decks. Dude was a blast to talk to through the whole process, had a lot of cards to sell so we were talking for nearly an hour. Then he convinced me to get a playset of onslaught wooded foothills for jund, still my favorite part of the deck to this day
@NateFinch Жыл бұрын
As a hobbyist game designer, it never occurred to me to make a separate game out of existing magic cards, but that is kind of amazingly brilliant. This isn't even really a different game, so much as a "scenario" as it would be called in tabletop wargames. The rules are all exactly the same except the cards are set ahead of time and the one tweak of sharing a library. We played a few shared library magic games back in the day, but never stumbled onto this kind of interesting interaction, so it quickly lost our interest. I hope people keep brewing games like this, with Magic's huge catalog, there are innumerable other derivative games that could be quite fun. I like how you called out Commander as another example. Now the most popular format, it came from one person's idea to change a few rules.
@J4mieJ Жыл бұрын
Additionally, there's a half-dozen other "scenarios" in Nick's primer... not to mention those other two formats mentioned, each with their own handful of variations
@SeraphimKnight Жыл бұрын
The original Memory Lapse is probably in my top 5 favorite card art, so seeing it so prominent in this video put on smile on my face.
@MrMekishiko Жыл бұрын
I can't believe that a small idea like that ended up leading to and blossoming into my most played game of my entire life, DotA2. I was just left in awe. I love this KZfaq channel sooo much. Don't ever stop making content bro. You're a gem.
@Ariamaki Жыл бұрын
Did you consider modifying the email address linked in the Google Doc? The Reddit account he made to post it has an I in his last name but the version in the doc did not. I'd really love for Nick, wherever he is right now, to be able to find out that people are loving his format.
@nickbrydels1894 Жыл бұрын
I was so sad when my email to him bounced back :(
@garrettcarrett8634 Жыл бұрын
Give it a shot, we're waiting on your results!
@thomascheckie2394 Жыл бұрын
I sent an Edit Access Request to Nick Floyd, and I included a link to this video in the request. Hopefully he sees it!
@ClexYoshi Жыл бұрын
@@thomascheckie2394 that's a smart idea.
@NicksMagicstorytime Жыл бұрын
I saw and I'm thrilled. Thanks everyone. Try the other two. And maybe I'll make docs for a couple other variants I've deigned, though they may not be as "polished" as those three.
@cosmotect 9 ай бұрын
It gives me immense joy that the creator of the format saw his work to fruition
@topthog Жыл бұрын
I collect the artwork Drew Tucker, Dandan has been a favourite of mine for a while, I'm sure you an imagine the big ol' smile on my face when I saw this in my feed
@moleculeman27 Жыл бұрын
I'd always thought that Dandan referred to the Jaws theme.
@raindrainxi Жыл бұрын
Dandan Dandan Dandan Dandan Dandan Dandan
@LongKestrel Жыл бұрын
Just when I was about to go the f*ck to sleep - this drops!
@Kydrou Жыл бұрын
Same. Let's share in the joy.
@johnmraz4332 Жыл бұрын
I'm really happy I jumped on the dandan train early. Its popularity is beginning to pick up and its gonna start getting pricey instead of just being a 30$ deck
@J4mieJ Жыл бұрын
Luckily for unsanctioned formats such as this, creative / cash-strapped players always have the option for custom proxies. I saw a really cool hand-drawn deck for this format awhile back on reddit, though sadly I don't have a link or anything since it seems my Google-Fu might be weak and a quick search hasn't yet turned it up. Huzzah for alternatives!!
@johnmraz4332 Жыл бұрын
@J4mieJ while absolute pro-proxy and i would never turn someone down or call someone out for proxying even at a real event, its not a choice i typically make for myself personally. All power to anyone that wants to though!
@RobertKilianKing Жыл бұрын
I'm so stoked to see someone dig up the pre-dota history of MOBAs, I haven't heard the name Aeon of Strife in years and years. You always find the relevant angle and give us quality content about MTG. The videos you make are in a league of their own.
@elmoreoocyte Жыл бұрын
I built a forgetful fish deck last year, and it is far and away the best variant I've played in a while. I've had some epicly long games going back and forth with the stack.
@SymmetricalDocking Жыл бұрын
Two players, one Deck. The legendary Danger Room format!
@skyguytomas9615 Жыл бұрын
Two Wizards One Deck 😮
@rowrow_ Жыл бұрын
This is my favorite video you've covered. The Game within Game message, the history and respect for Nick, the exposure of such a cool sub game of magic. Thank you for your art.
@oncedidactic Жыл бұрын
this
@kennethebbing470 Жыл бұрын
Dandân player for years. Love the attention it's getting
@ErikDragonHighlander Жыл бұрын
I've actually designed a mono black variant that focuses all around Barrow Ghoul, it's an absolute blast. I have a video up for it.
@chrisp6409 Жыл бұрын
This is a fantastic dandan variant! Check it out!! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/Z5l_idB8s5bJiKs.html
@GMYFS Жыл бұрын
TAKE MY LIKE
@bionicnomad Жыл бұрын
everyone go subscribe to this it’s actually so cool❤
@ErikDragonHighlander Жыл бұрын
@@bionicnomad ❤ thanks so much!
@JervisGermane Жыл бұрын
I did a GU version that focuses on Temporal Spring, Reclaim, and Memory Lapse. Soothsaying and Long-Term Plans are other notables.
@Lucarioguild7 Жыл бұрын
Ah geez I'm going to have to try this now aren't I? Your ability to constantly put the spotlight on all the little ways to love Magic is amazing as always.
@glunkey Жыл бұрын
I've been waiting for the day you cover this weird little format. I got into it a few years ago and I'm so glad it's getting the recognition it deserves! It's a really beautiful format
@poopitypoopoppopoop Жыл бұрын
Okay, this is rad. I have been thinking of building my own cube for a while, but this seems like a much more approachable take on that idea. Video saved for later, will definitely give this concept a spin for me, my friends, and something to teach newbies with.
@andrewseaman9913 Жыл бұрын
I can also hardly recommend budget. microCubes. Playing with only 20 card decks (and some other adjustments) creates a fun and fast experience for everyone.
@SymmetricalDocking Жыл бұрын
Check out Danger Rooms. There's quite a lot of them for a 1v1 cube experience. They're the precursor to Forgetful Fish
@evanmacarthur-waltz1795 Жыл бұрын
I remember watching anzidmtg stream dandan during a tournament once, and wishing that it would catch on, I guess today might be the day!
@LoverOfMuch Жыл бұрын
My partner and I play chess together for fun every once in a while. Neither of us really know any "chess strategy," and we can start to overthink our moves, which sucks the fun out of it. To loosen up, we'll play a variant we call "Dumbass Chess." We make up new rules together, like we can take two turns at once, or we must protect a particular piece. I'm glad you shared Nick's game variant!
@oncedidactic Жыл бұрын
This sounds super fun. Do you have any favorite rules to share? It would be cool to make a "spin the wheel" where any 2-3 rules generate bizarre chess minigames
@snowhusk Жыл бұрын
If you aren't averse to other types of chess, I highly suggest you try out some of the smaller Shogi variants. They might require you to make your own cardboard/plastic/wooden pieces, but the games are so cool and the shogi thing of being able to redeploy captured pieces is a nice layer to chess-type gameplay! I recommend Judkins Shogi, Mini Shogi, Kyoto Shogi, Goro Goro Shogi. These are the ones I played with friends for a while and have made wooden pieces for. Tori and Whale Shogi variants look fun too, though I didn't have opportunities to try them out
@snowhusk Жыл бұрын
I'd also like to suggest you try Thai/Cambodian chess called "Makruk" - it's like an in-between chess variant settled in time aomewhere between original Indian rules and modern European ones. You can play it with regular chess set too!
@TheNixxus Жыл бұрын
Quick note on the Aeon Of Strife Anecdote. The game is actually predated by LAPD Future Cop which has the same mechanics and gameplay, and likely served as inspiration
@mysticalpotato447 Жыл бұрын
Dude I'm so excited to try this out. I hope Nick sees how many people tried it and loved it. This seems like such a fun way to experience magic and a great way to re/introduce people to the game. And also thank you Sam for another great video. And for introducing me to Dandân 🐟
@genius11433 Жыл бұрын
Quite the insightful video on a lesser-known MTG variant. And the closing line about the designer's email address was a stroke of genius. Keep up the good work.
@somsoc_ Жыл бұрын
Great video about a lot more than just a single game format... I did wish that it ended with Nick hearing about the formats good health, but I guess we'll just to have to wait for a follow-up one day :)
@NicksMagicstorytime Жыл бұрын
It took this video to find out that people were finally trying it. I’m thrilled that I created something people enjoy. Thanks!
@somsoc_ Жыл бұрын
@@NicksMagicstorytime I'm so glad that you have seen it! I think it's so important that creators get to know their effort was more than worth it! And this video will have introduced so many more players to it (myself included!). Thanks for putting all that work into the original document/design!
@JamesOmega36 Жыл бұрын
I actually did something similar to this in YuGiOh. A friend and I played the same Exodia list, but the idea was to force your opponent to win with Exodia. We called it Exodia hot potato and it the most fun either of us have every had in YuGiOh to this day.
@fortidogi8620 Жыл бұрын
thats hilarious, tell more
@JamesOmega36 Жыл бұрын
@@fortidogi8620 its a constant guessing game of what exodia pieces you need to give your opponent. You need to keep track of what you tutored from your deck already and what your opponent has given you. There ends up being a lot of nuance involved
@MillennialMidwest Жыл бұрын
Every single video on this channel is gold of the most refined purity. I can’t wait to try Dandán.
@Krunschy Жыл бұрын
This format sounds absolutely fantastic. One aspect I always loved about magic was original deckbuilding. But when you're building a Dandan deck, you're not just designing one half of the game, you get to design the entire game. Also since you're sharing a deck it's always fair (except maybe that the deckbuilder knows the deck better), which usually isn't easily achieved in casual formats. I also just adore how easily it's for magic players to get into, despite offering quite the different experience.
@CardboardTutor Жыл бұрын
Great vid about the history of the deck and thanks for linking my vid in the description! ❤️ Found out about this format, after someone bought my foil Dandân on Cardmarket. I googled why anyone would pay 10 buck for such a silly card. 😂 The format sparked my interest and I just had to build this deck myself! Played with several people already and even some who haven’t played Magic in years or don’t even play Magic. Their feedback was throughout positive. The restrictions of the deck and repeating cards/effects make it easy for anyone to understand. The intricacies of the interactions come with experience, as you’ve also mentioned. Bringing it everywhere with me since a quick round be played within around of 20-30 mins!
@overtonwindowshopper Жыл бұрын
Glad to see a quality, in-depth video on this format! Great work! I really hope more people give Dandan a shot, it’s a lot of fun!
@Duffy_SSBM Жыл бұрын
I tried this format today with my friend and it was a blast! We played the tempo variant that you listed as a "fan favorite" and we had a ton of fun throughout 3 games. We proxied the deck (shh) and will definitely keep it on hand for future games. Thank you for sharing this story!
@UranTCG Жыл бұрын
Appreciate how you manage to remind me how much I love this game with every video. Excellent writing
@jordangroblewsky2087 Жыл бұрын
This kind of stuff is why I love Magic. Being able to look at the game's history and it's backlog of tens of thousands of cards and using it to invent your own format. It allows you to embrace the feeling of being a game designer, like using a video game engine and making a game with stock assets. I've played a couple other card/board games recently that use a "shared deck," in addition to other Magic fan-formats like Judge's Tower and Battle-Box. Those formats have all been super fun, and really re-sparked my enthusiasm for this game in general. Will definitely try Dandan. I also made the 'convenient' mistake of purchasing a deckbox that holds two "80+" card decks instead of 100+. I was originally intending to use it for commander, but now I have another use for it.
@Hoonters-goona-Hoont Жыл бұрын
My five cents on why Dandan is so cool is that it takes away a lot of the stuff that is frustrating about MTG. Since both use the same Deck, it’s basically impossible to get Mana Screwed, a lucky or unlucky hand bears little to no weight and your opponent can’t steamroll you because they spent Mom’s last three paychecks on strictly better cards. The whole concept just sort of levels the playing field, and that makes it feel so satisfying.
@J4mieJ Жыл бұрын
The free mulligan when having < 2 or > 5 land certainly helps too :)
@abbyoshaughnessy1156 Жыл бұрын
This video has had massive waves on the magic community, even less than 2 weeks later, great work Sam!
@alcxander Жыл бұрын
been playing dandan for over a year, absolutely love the format its great fun!
@rohan_christopher Жыл бұрын
You are an astounding storyteller. The last chapter of this video gave me chills, and teary eyes. Thanks for making these videos
@danielvanginkel7081 Жыл бұрын
Dandan is an interesting concept. Thank you for sharing this. It's fun to see so many variaties pop-up over time. In a way this format is similar to one of my favorite commander decks: Way back in the first Innistrad, the rivalry between Gisa and her brother Geralf inspired me to make a deck featuring them both (their joined card did not yet exist) - the twist being that you could also play a game with only this deck and just two players. One player plays Gisa as their commander and the other plays Geralf, you both play from the same library and the same graveyard. The deck features a lot of stitched monsters that could be played from graveyards or needed you to discard cards in addition to put them onto the battlefield, which would not just be a boost for you but also a threat if your opponent has the means to reanimate whatever you discarded. Back then Grimgrin was the commander whenever I played it as a regular EDH deck. However, nowadays I play it with the card Gisa and Geralf and just put that card aside whenever we play this alternative version of one-on-one commander with just this deck.
@loukamoroni4246 Жыл бұрын
This is awesome, on my way to build many dandan decks. Thanks for introducing us.
@antivalidisme5669 Жыл бұрын
Once again, that was a hell of a journey Sam and I had no idea this format existed. I've always been fascinated by the illustration on this card back when I discovered the game. It was way different than any kind of sea serpent or kraken or leviathan, have always found something mysterious but also vulnerable and familiar in this creature. Somehow reminds me of my koi fishes to be honest. Cool and intriguing format for sure. Cheers!
@redwizard9430 Жыл бұрын
My man, you pushed the price of dan Dan up 30% already
@TheArchanjel 10 ай бұрын
I quite literally applauded at the ending. Well done. You have The way with words. Cheers.
@ZeDoGiCa Жыл бұрын
I've always loved designing games, especially card games, and watching this has inspired me to design a new format. Great video, also probably gonna pick up a Forgetful Fish deck myself!
@ModAnonMTG Жыл бұрын
as a person named Dan, I appreciate the pro Dandan content!
@Eduteck__ Жыл бұрын
As someone who just has started to put my feet in the lake of game design, this is an awesome video and one of my favorites of this channel! And that's hard to say
@RMWestcott Жыл бұрын
This might be a great format to teach an absolute noob. It's slow enough to learn each card and it's nuances, and fast enough to not be overwhelming. I like it!
@ruferd Жыл бұрын
What an absolute treasure. A truly lovely story and format. Thank you immensely for sharing.
@Golnax Жыл бұрын
Wonderful video, such a cool and unique way to play Magic! I want a Dandan deck now! It also makes me want to work on my own format in the hopes that it becomes even half as popular as Dandan so that one day a youtuber like you might make a video on it :)
@stbd2773 Жыл бұрын
I love this video so much. I've never played Dandan but I'm gonna proxy a deck ASAP. To Nick Floyd: Thank you, people are enjoying your super fun format
@somefishhere Жыл бұрын
I played Dandan for the first time in September of 2022 thanks to a friend who had it built in paper. Lovely stuff!
@mintspears6714 Жыл бұрын
Cannot wait to try this out, what a brilliant idea
@philipkelly7369 Жыл бұрын
This is by a wide margin the very best Magic content on youtube.
@DigitalinDaniel Жыл бұрын
This makes me want to make a similar red artifact deck, like a weird "Built From Scratch, Trash For Treasure" Daretti sorta scrapyard battle.
@androkguz Жыл бұрын
My idea is about morph and the card Break Open. I'll test yours if you test mine
@DigitalinDaniel Жыл бұрын
@@androkguz Why would you want to help your opponent morph?
@androkguz Жыл бұрын
@@DigitalinDaniel you want a deck where sometimes, opening the right morph punishes your opponent. Unstable Hulk is the only example I have right now of a hard, negative unmorphing. Liege of the Pit is also a possibility. With the manifest mechanic, I can also imagine a game where you control the top of the library so that your opponent gets a bad card to manifest and then unflip, like Archfiend of the Dross
@DigitalinDaniel Жыл бұрын
@@androkguz Slipstream Serpent is basically the Dandan of morph haha Wall of Deceit could be funny, wrestling for an attacker.
@bigmacmm5 Жыл бұрын
I feel genuinely bad for him, as all he wanted to do was share his 'child' with the world and he went vastly ignored. Now, its finally getting the ever deserved attention he so wanted it to gain all that time ago. I'm absolutely going to be trying dandân, and making it a staple in my group!
@thomascheckie2394 Жыл бұрын
You'll be happy to know he commented on this video!
@dargossss Жыл бұрын
I love how your videos put the beauty of these games in front of everything.
@BrodyTwice Жыл бұрын
Braden rules!! They used to work here in Philly, I miss them!
@FlammBii 10 ай бұрын
This is so great Thanks prof for directing towards this video, and thanks rhystic studies for highlighting this masterpiece
@Bluequaz Жыл бұрын
Definitely going to get some forgetful fish lists. Looks really fun. Captures the out of the box card game vibe that I think a lot of less active magic players love. Gives you a nice taste of magics complexity, but without confusing new players. Makes the cat and mouse poker back and forth statistics games of magic a lot more clear and approachable. Honestly a great design
@uolfeis Жыл бұрын
Great video! I love weird synergies with unpopular cards, but a whole ttg format?! You blew my mind 👏🏻
@alexanderoneill3018 Жыл бұрын
just built this deck a couple months back, it’s pretty sweet! great video, really love the music
@kaijurat Жыл бұрын
God, imagine making a banger format that might change magic and almost going completely unnoticed
@sombertone395 10 ай бұрын
I played this the first time last month. I’ve got a buddy that has been collecting Dandan forever. Drew Tucker taught an art class at our college and he just really liked the art.
@thomasmiller7487 7 ай бұрын
Possibly the best MTG Documentary around, watched this so many times. I have been looking forward to my Dandan deck arriving even more than most of my high end Commander cards.
@rainesubnaut5918 Жыл бұрын
Oh my god, this is incredible. The amount of thought that's gone into this format is so endearing, now I really wanna mess around with the concept of a shared deck.
@timstalam Жыл бұрын
Thanks Rhystic Studies for introducing this format to everyone. Just bought my own copy of cards needed to play Forgetful Fish. These are the kinds of things that make me love mtg and really highlight the beauty of the game mechanics plus the joy of collecting the paper prints. Extra bonus that Nick Floyd is in the comments too!
@patrickhennessey7129 Жыл бұрын
Holy Crap, I remember playing Magic with Braden at Gamers Heaven. Never would have expected him to be on one of your videos. Good job guys!
@tuliocampello6910 Жыл бұрын
Your research work is absolute gold. Thank you for all your effort.
@calebwolfenden8061 Жыл бұрын
I love your professional feeling introduction to more fun and obscure parts of the game.
@xpendabull Жыл бұрын
This reminds me of one of my first magic decks. It became known as the “blue schlong” and consisted almost entirely of counters and bounce spells with the only creatures being Wall of Frost and Shipbreaker Kraken as a late game bomb as well as some manifest for early pressure.
@matthewtam7970 Жыл бұрын
I thought I saw you at magic 30 in Philly! I was too nervous to say hi, but now that I've seen some of those pictures and the area you were sitting I know it was you. I wish I said hi, but maybe another day. I love your videos so much, they've changed my perspective on magic the gathering and I can't thank you enough.
@ost0ne Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this video. It’s great to know the history of DanDan. Picked it up about 6 months ago super fun.
@GheyForGames Жыл бұрын
i love how there is ALWAYS SOMETHING NEW to talk about
@zyrondevalno1954 Жыл бұрын
I would like to see more custom games like this, it is a strength of non-digital games, every player is also a developer. and that's just awesome.
@thordagreat Жыл бұрын
Sam your cat is very beautiful! And as always, another amazing video that makes me rethink how i look at a magic card, in every sense.
@joshuahitchins1897 Жыл бұрын
I love how this format turns deck optimization from competitive strategy to game design with only a few rules.
@TimmytheSorcerer Жыл бұрын
Beautiful, I've heard about this format but never gave it a try. Will do now, thanks for making this 🙌
@trinir2581 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video. Without it i wouldn’t have found this great puzzle of a format
@FransLebin Жыл бұрын
great video. I definitely love the ones that focus on mechanics over story
@familythegathering Жыл бұрын
Super cool video Sam. Can’t wait to play this sometime. Looks very fun!
@AlexAlddn Жыл бұрын
Somebody else waits for a new video of Rhystic Studies as the new season of your fav series? These videos are great, I am even checking right now card stocks to make my own Dandan deck
@vincentrutledge9445 Жыл бұрын
I feel like this format would be awesome with delver. You would have to change up some of the land stuff but adding more bounce spells and top deck manipulation could make it fun.
@J4mieJ Жыл бұрын
Perhaps you'll dig the Jeskai Control Battlebox from Lucky Paper's Andy Mangold :)
@smokelingers9857 Жыл бұрын
As a fan of custom Magic and all sorts of MTG formats and their variants, this reminds me of all the fun I've had learning their nuances and deckbuilding with those nuances in mind. I am definitely going to be building a few 80-card Dandan variants.
@vzm_underscore Жыл бұрын
i’m not super into magic but this was still an incredibly done video. it didnt overstay its welcome, had absolutely amazing research even in the places where it didnt need it like the backstory of mobas and having the HD card art alongside a watermark; it’s all just incredibly well done
@kaseywahl Жыл бұрын
This is such a special video. As a software engineer with an English degree and an undying love for games, the storytelling, the creativity, the history, and the nostalgia all coalesce to make something that leaves me with all the good feels.
@SirDinadan8 Жыл бұрын
Its strange having the same last name as some wierd fish in MTG but i'll take it.
@counsellour Жыл бұрын
This deep dive into obscure history was entirely a surprise to me - no part of it was what I expected from start to finish.