Just to be clear in case I didn't make it clear in the video; Grifters DEFINITELY exist. I've covered them on this channel before, but not every single person you disagree with is a grifter. If your FIRST response is to call someone a grifter just because they disagree with you, then I think you're being a silly goose and need to relax and try to have an actual discussion with these people to get a better understanding of where they are coming from.

bruhh mighty keef's twitter is one of the worst discoveries i ever made

Twitter uses words other people use without knowing the definition. The Twitter servers needs to be launched into the sun.

People need an online break. A long one.

mightkeef is being awfully shambolic

Keef going crazy lately

I used to watch his content a few years ago about his Nintendo content / skits. After his political points from his media and it slowly seeps into his videos, I just stopped watching his content as I did not subscribe for that.

Ima be honest the quartering and yellowflash are super annoying. Idk if they're grifters but they sure do come off that way. All they do is read articles and act like they're leading the charge against a war. They usually don't even know what they're talking about.

During the BLM riots Mighty Keef was like "How is Antifa bad, their name is Anti Fascist" 😭 I muted him after that

Maybe gaming wouldn't be so "radicalized" if certain groups weren't constantly infiltrating the entertainment media to try and turn it into a political battleground instead of just letting people making fun games and have fun playing them.

I grew up in a very left leaning family, and I still am very left leaning today, however it's sometimes very difficult for people to realize that just because I am "left winged," i agree with everything they have to say. I have seen many content creators who rage bait using right winged politics, but I've also seen many creators decide to rage bait using left winged politics. Truth is, these people hardly ever care about what you might have to say on the matter, they just want your attention, your views, and more notably, your money. I always encourage people to be open minded, but when I say that, sometimes people get the message that I'm a bigot, which couldn't be further from the truth. People aren't defined by what they believe, they are defined by what they do, simple as that. (Sorry this was all over the place, I disagree with your takes all the time mike, but its the sensibility and middle ground you can find that keeps me coming back.)

I've been keeping up on Mightykeef's antics on twitter as of late, he seems to me like he's one of those fencesitters that speak about a topic that they feel strongly about and if you disagree with them, then they call you those tired buzzwords and poisoning the well. I get that the audience can be swayed by having a different perspective, but it can get really tribalistic when ppl from both sides aiming for destructive dissonance

I don't think Keef is a grifter. He had some L takes during the Stellar Blade controversy, but in his Stellar Blade video, he poked fun at the hypocrisy of people praising Baldur's Gate 3 despite how much more degenerate that game is. His political stance seems genuine. He just approaches the discourse in bad faith sometimes (e.g. everybody mad about the Stellar Blade censorship is an unwashed psychopath.)

Im so out of touch with the Internet, I legit haven't heard the word Grifting until now 💀, I go to work, come home stream/play games with friends, sleep, repeat 💀

Twitter really made ppl regarded huh

Keef needs to stick to being a funny guy. His political takes are not it chief.

You're the chillest and probably the only centrist I like, love your vids a lot. I agree that grummz and keef degenerated way too much because of the current political climate, it was interesting at first but now im getting sick of them, i still believe grummz got the craziest interactions like that time a journo tweeted he wanted to hire a hitman to kill him

4:30 - Made the right call. I knew when I started that KZfaq was too volatile. Kept all my shit unmonetized.

If your in a community chat about games keep it about the game end of story. If you feel like talking about politics then go to a chat were that’s taking place. How stupid would you feel if your in a chat about politics and you start talking about Ken, Akuma, subzero they’ll tell you to get the fuck out with that shit. Door goes both way’s. I’m 50/50 on mighty keef.

Tbh I really haven’t been messin with keef since I saw him supporting DEI in games. I don’t use Twitter but I found out through a youtuber.

I ultimately think Twitter should be avoided at all cost I rarely use it these days. The main value I get out of it is looking at arcade sticks

It's gotten to a point where the politics are becoming more of a nuisance rather than a beneficial part of the gaming industry. It doesn't help that Twitter literally will have loudmouths trying to portray themselves like they are superior to others. Its their ideology to either clout or recognition of some kind. Like you said, having genuine conversations just doesn't seem to be a regular thing anymore, almost feels like you have to look for spaces to have them take place. And I think that KZfaqrs like Asmongold, Quartering etc as well as their counterparts are also a part of this issue. Due to the fact that parasocial relations are also a part of that. I feel like this should be talked about a bit more in depth as well, perhaps it is time to just completely delete Twitter at this point.

I am Mighty Keef. No thanks.

When people say “but games have always been political” I ask them what kind of politics were there in the videogame Pong, and then watch them have the wildest take you’ll ever hear about a game with two lines and a dot.

You are like one of the most normal people I’ve seen. Someone who’s in the middle, hell you probably don’t even want to deal with politics at all because of how annoying and controversial it gets. I wish there was more people like you, but apparently being normal can get you targeted by these rabid animals. Stay golden bro! I’m glad I subscribed to you!

nah mightykeef is definitely a left wing grifter. i never consume his content but his tweets keep showing up on my feed and they're nothing but lazy low effort attacks on right wing stuff. he clearly enjoys the engagement he gets from lazy attacks on the right

You literally can't ask questions to these people or you're automatically labeled some kind of "ist", it's incredible

TLDR; both sides do it. The problem is one side (conservative leaning) is far more easier and more common. ---------------- There is a clear difference between the 2 (at least in the USA) You will not find many left leaning grifters. You obviously have the corporate grifting (I.E target covering their stores in pride merch yet funding organizations that are against the LGBTQ+) but independents/content creators? No where near as much. You will always have people that sell out no matter what though. As for the right I can literally name you dozens off the top of my head. We have an entire ultra right section of politics that aims at culture wars (Kari Lake, MTG, Ron desantis, etc) and only got those positions of powers because of their grift. Also considering that Ultra right politics has been heavily on the rise for the past about decade around the world. The grifting for the right is becoming more and more prominent/common. The difference is that the socialist/left leaning grifters have a set of standards that will always be in contrast with straight up grifting. We are currently in a political battle between democrats and socialist/more left leaning individuals (I.E progressives calls for pulling Biden while hardcore democrats are in support of keeping him). For the ultra right the grift does not have standards. You can use the hard R, you can call people the R word, you can deny mass shootings, you can attribute all atrocities to the gays/immigrants/the education system, etc. This why it is inherently misguided to say “both sides do it”. Is it true that both sides do? Of course. But one side grifts FAR MORE OFTEN and much more detrimental to more communities (EG that girl that dropped the hard R and immediately became a panelist/guest for the AFPAC)

What’s up Mike? Loving the long videos. Always enjoy listening to your take on things.

People are so caught up in the it’s my side vs your side that they forget how to have a normal conversation and think everything is a debate that has to be won

Yeah something about Twitter or almost any comments section is that it's become useless for conversation. Seeing that notification popup gets people heated before they've even read the response. It's a lot of anger and frustration with no where to direct it. An angry comment is usually the only thing that gets them any reply, so they feel like that is the only way to make a connection and get noticed.

Keef left a bad taste in my mouth when he basically tried to argue me down about Miles Morales and how i think his character isn't as good as people make it out to be.

I wish it was easier for people to agree to disagree but people don't want to be objective. There are bad apples at all corners. All it should matter is if you can hold a civil conversation on a heavy topic without resorting to defaming each other.

A fence sitter is a person who always tries to please all sides because they are scared of angering people and being a contrarian. i am not a fence sitter, i have very strong convictions and my moral compass doesn't depend on politics, i have no political affiliation because politics is all an illusion which is why i can see how bad both sides are and I am always calling out both sides, the result is that everybody hates me because i don't conform to their beliefs. While I don't try to appease any side i continue to say that both sides are doing EVERYTHING wrong, and i advocate for everyone to come meet in the middle and discuss what are the good thing on both sides and move forward with those things, and leave the bad things behind, but this will never happen as long as religion is part of those conversations. We need to move forward and that can only happen when people start treating each other as a free human being with the freedom to choose whatever they want and pursue happiness however they want, instead of labeling people as evil because god says so or whatever other reasons, people need to respect personal freedom and that is the only way to a better world.

It's just typical age-old, bipartisan malarkey. There are always gonna be people who don't have the frame of reference or self awareness to realize they're playing into someone else's game. Those kinds of people are always gonna try to protect and elevate the people who "represent" ideas they wanna see prevail. While simultaneously deconstructing and invalidating those who champion ideas that challenge their intellectual comfort zone. And they'll use whatever platform they have access to as a forum to project their unresolved inner hatred into. Regardless of their self proclaimed bipartisan political allegiance, they're all the same. Gotta recognize those kinds of people for the unreasonable haters they are and just steer clear. As you said, non-engagement is the key.

I've noticed not just in gameing but in general everyone seems way more radicalized and far more on edge and angry it's jenuninly sad the world just seems to be vary dark and pepol constantly has to take the most extreme take you can't just simply disagree or have a miner issue it's ither you 100% agree or your public enemy number one

I really want to know who's the first person abusing the term "grifter" and why.

and you see this is why I hate talking online its so easy for people to make you out as the bad guy and say shit like this 15:47 but if we were saying this IRL that people would sound dumb as hell or wouldn't even make that joke and this would all sound like a normal conversation just the other day I got cursed out in someone twitch chat literally because I said I just got down beating a boss they were fighting, and I guess they were struggling on it (I don't know that I just got there) and her and the whole chat start shiting on me tell me to go fuck off and to stop bragging no one care like bro i said one thing it wasn't that deep

they were before Twitch took over the sektor and made it regime compliant.

Most people are only good at a handful of things in life. Just using myself as an example but I like to believe my skillsets are in things like writing, design, MMA and communication. This means I'll likely struggle in other fields like understanding balancing numbers in Fighting Games even if I could theorize a good character design. I bring this up because Mighty Keef is a comedian. He makes comedy videos. He makes people laugh. That is his strength. He does not, and say it with me, "do politics". And politics is unfortunately one of those fields where you either know what you are talking about or you don't, and Keef doesn't know what he is talking about. He is, unfortunately, an extension of a larger issue right now that has been egged on by social media and the internet at large, and that issue is people wanting to give their two cents about EVERYTHING even when it's not a field they are particularly experienced in. Remember how I said I would suck at numbers in Fighting Games? Well that means that while I might be good at understanding what would make a FG "fun" or how to write a story for one, I would suck at actually balancing and coding it. So... I don't throw my two cents in about those things. I'm ignorant. I'm BAD at those fields. My opinion wouldn't help much. As they say, I am "Staying in my lane". And that is the problem with Mighty Keef and a lot of people like him. He wants to talk politics. A lot of people do. But not a lot of people actually want to sit down after a long day of work and do their homework on "why", for example, people are so mad about something like Sweet Baby Inc, or Gamergate, or anything like that. They will usually just parrot something a friend or KZfaqr told them, do no further research, and then solidify an incredibly aggressive opinion on the matter despite having no actual knowledge on the topic. And that's how we reach lows such as Mighty Keef's Twitter; man desperately avoiding his own lane. Stick to comedy, dude. You don't need to get involved in political drama just because it's the hot topic, and no one wants to give someone viewership who is calling them some of the worst things on the planet over petty disagreements.

His mentality is the everyone I don't like is Hitler meme. Mark kern was one of the integral people that made wow an amazing and successful game and an og at one of the greatest gaming companies back when they were the benchmark of innovation, but since he has wrongthink he's an evil drifter. Ridiculous. Also it's crazy keef compared your and his channels when he does skits and you do mostly gameplay and guide videos, two completely different genres and one has a more broad normie appeal. Your stuffs great, keep making content you want to.

All I took from this is that I'm glad I got rid of twitter months ago I can't imagine how people spend their actual time on that app arguing for hours with people they will probably never meet

Gaming was and has always been about escapism, when you hammer in and double down on making things political that’s where you lose me. Like what does someone political view matter in a video game? We’re just pointing out that it’s Ubisoft they shouldn’t be trusted and that point for years still stand. Keef and people of that point of view just lose me.

Make gaming great again. Why can’t we just have fun and enjoy each other bros? 😭

Twitter is such a hyper aggressive farm. It’s almost as if you’re not supposed to question anything or else you are seen as a hater or are somehow stirring up a war with the original post. Great vid, always enjoy the little deviations from the FGC here and there.

I truly think social media is a major pin in the downfall of society

Interesting video. Now what do you think about the letter people saying that Saudi is not a safe place for esport events and that they don’t feel safe going there?

Mighty Keef, mini beef 🤣

I don't even know what grifters were until today. Im learning something new every day. I swear, every time, it's a debate on Twitter. Someone will always be public enemy number 1 when you have a different opinion.

sorry man but Yasuke never became a samurai officially. the japanese have since weighed in on this, actual japanese, not the american japanese working for ubi mind you, and they talk about a very important aspect that every samurai did when Nobunaga got got, but Yasuke did not do it. i can't really talk about it here because it might be viewed as a sensitive topic etc, but Yasuke was not a samurai, no matter how much the west wants this to be true.

Grifters literally have a monopoly on adult brainrot. I swear if these grifters didn't stay in political echo chambers online, they'd have better takes. I would not post some of the things these guys do while having friends on both sides of the spectrum.

Think a good rule when engaging in a txt conversation is to give the benefit of the doubt that the tone is neutral. Unless it is obvious or stated otherwise.

Like his videos. But now im hearing a lot of problems over on his Twitter. I was hoping he would stand on the side of Gamers.

Would you consider the “bad apples” on the right might be much more of a threat? I used to tread on that side, and to be honest, racism is rife in those circles. Especially in private discords.

Also I couldn't find the Lili discord link in the description, is it not on mobile?

As far as I understand Yusuke was a retainer not a Samurai, when Nobunaga was executed Yusuke wasn't forced to commit Seppuku like the rest of Nobunaga's samurai which would be weird if he was a Samurai. Still the fact that he was a retainer is notable

Great video. Not sure if you’re aware of the recent conversations on Twitter in relation to EVO in Riyadh. Would love to hear your thoughts on that. Either way great stuff as usual.

Oh American viewer here! As far as I know, politics hasn’t been too crazy as it used to be imo, the 2016 + 2020 election years were definitely at an all time high for political harassment between both parties; usually this toxicity happens online on Twitter and content creators . This is from my perspective just to re-emphasize

This is my first video from you and I'm definitely a fan. Just being able to have a discussion and not villainize either party is lost these days, and I stand for it.

Shocked to see mighty keef in the title. But yeah im never on twitter

I’m so hyped for the new bleach game, it’s been 13 years since the last one

Yo, the words 'Grifter' and 'Shill' are some of the most pathetic attempts at attacking a person's character. The easiest way to stand besides something and rally for it is to use those words. The real word that needs to be accepted is 'Anti-Fans' which most basic consumers have now become.

I like the debate content! I had a co-worker back in 2008 who I credit with teaching me how to think lol. He taught me about listening to both sides and not getting emotional over things. Its funny that our culture has us in this "you got cooked" mentality just because someone responds to you lol. You guys having a civil back and forth hearing each other out and people are trying to make it more than what it is. Also find it weird when people try to nullify a conversation with logic that could be thrown at everything like "why do you care?" or just saying "you're a grifter". They basically lack the skills to debate and just want to throw an insult or nullify the conversation so they don't have to back themselves up.

Glad I subbed recently, and it’s nice to know the community here is a good set of rational people (as seen here in the comments), it gives me hope that there’s strong minded individuals that critical thinking properly. Twitter is a cesspool and I avoid it like the plague

Im all for discussion, but commenting on Twitter is throwing your hat in an arena of tomfoolery. My only point of contention for you is why even have the discussion with Keef in first place when it seems(to me atleast) to have been posted to get someone to response?

I always thought grifting was used to indicate disingenuous views simply for the potential money they could receive. Which is why ive noticed that many are more inclined to believe someone is a right wing grifter rather than a left wing grifter on the basis of there being more financial support not just from independent, but also large conservative networks and media outlets.

wasnt keef also downplaying the helldivers situation on pc?

26:35 money is such a curse

As much as we hate to admit it, video games echos real life in that they both want to be realistic but games have more freedom unlike real life. See we are forced to go to a 9-5 job and do daily chores to keep things going. In games you go to your 9-5 job then an alien invasion happens and you pick up a pulse rifle from a dead soldier 😂. So what I’m saying is it’s a video game not real life, so why is every developer trying to be so accurate we’re supposed to be on some mcguyver levels of inaccuracy lmao

Been watching Keef for years, still really like some of his videos. But wish I never saw the man's Twitter. It's painful to read.

It makes me wonder do they if they actually know what grifting means. I just hate that gaming now isnt a space for escapism but tribalism

Thank you for keeping it real Mike, Wallahi people on twitter have their heads up their asses. Everything has to be subjective, left or right there is no nuance or space for discussion anymore it seems. Thank god real life ain’t actually like that.

14:01 people became triborg omg 🤯

Keef political takes are very poor because many times he just takes on a talking point, and little of his own research is presented. If he is doing deep research and provides both sides fairly, deeply, honestly and comes to a conclusion then that would be one thing. But he’s not, he just parrots what media talking heads say.

gaming spaces have always been like this, attracts weirdos

Well said

back and forth with keef? boooiii thats just crazy

I think the internet being the internet just makes people on it generally come off more hostile than intended and even incentivizes that perception because we get more attention/clicks as a result typically. The recent video where I was slightly ticked off and comment on the people trying to say coaching is unfair to the other players without coaches really annoys me but I wasn't mad. I think a similar thing happened to you as well with your T8 rank mode criticisms rant as well, a none political related video. Twitter is the epitome of overblowing shit and finding microaggressions or really any aggressions that don't actually mean anything. Unless both parties actually want to sit down and have a civil discussion (trying to do gotchas doesn't count), it's best to just to move on for all parties involved unless doing that type of crud is how you make a living something. I support actual discussions, not arguments. Arguments don't resolve anything just exasperates the issues typically.

Hey, this could've been a 10 minute vid... Actually, no, this was nice. Subbed.

2 jobs content creation and staying in shape?? You’re the man bro try take it easy from time to time! Enjoying the content as always wish more ppl were as open to having normal dialogue like you mate 😂

You're one of the few people on this website that i always agree with all your takes.

Damn that local loser Guy really lives Up to that id 😂

People that make such quick judgements like that are just acting on autopilot. No consciousness. But hey Mike. Do you think you'd want to do a video where yoy talk about how you became more of a conscious individual? How did you learn to ask questions and not take everything in bad faith? Have you experienced a kind of ego death? Thanks.

i like seeing most of the comments in agreement that yellow flash is a grifter, makes me sooo happy

Jeez man when did playing video games get so complicated? lol love the content Mike.

I remember when video games were fun.

I don't know how people can say their are more grifters on the right.

Mighty Keef should focus more on creating content then trying to shout down on people on some invisible podium. Hope you have a great day, Mike.

Keef is a great content creator, but I disagree on his politics.

Too much anonymity on Internet. People dont stop to think anymore

Remember, Mightyquiff attacked the creator of Sweet Baby Inc. Detected because one game that was on it had an African creator. Not because the game is good, but because the skin of the creator is black.

2:55 Thats fair tbh. That Lili drama got me too heated against both sides too. Im pretty embarrassed.

I used to like keefs vids too, but he made me realize following socials arent a good idea. Always arguing with people and spout awful take most of the time.

what does it mean to be a grifter on the right? Youre more likely to get demonetized saying "right wing" stuff. Just look at the quartering channel or any other culture war channel on the right. Im not taking a side im just being objective. What are your thoughts mike?

I stopped dealing with mighty keef a year ago who so phony it's ridiculous

Good afternoon

*mightyBEEF more like

Mike I say this with love, stay off Twitter. It is not worth anybody's time.

people act like you gotta pick a side its lame af esp the left ringer or right ringer like bruh

I hope you realise that you are also guilty of what you are accusing people of doing...even if I just go off this video. By assuming the people you're responding to are radicalized, you're essentially putting them in a box just like those people accusing you of grifting. The 2nd guy you exchanged with had some salient points in my opinion. If it's all the same either way, why bother asking Keefe the question?