How to set / adjust the armature air gap on small engines such as lawnmowers. How to set the coil and magneto air gap on Briggs and Stratton engine.
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@Ramb0Br1te4 жыл бұрын
A different video helped me to diagnose the problem and figure out the solution; bad coil. Your video helped to figure out the correct gap for my coil. Thank you very much for posting this.
@vikingrobot41792 жыл бұрын
Replaced the coil on my Briggs twin opposed today Also did the fuel filter. For the life of me it will crank but not fire off. Ran out of daylight so I’ll check for spark and fuel tomorrow. 1997 MTD yard machine 18.5 HP Twin .
@Donegaldan6 жыл бұрын
Good camera set up and clarity,
@elained24488 жыл бұрын
Thanks, I had slid the feeler gauge across both arms and magnet. I'll correct it tomorrow and hope it works.
@iontheball14 жыл бұрын
I prefer checking the air gap with the coil directly over the magnets, not another part of the flywheel. Position the flywheel in line with the coil. Loosen the coil bolts and pull the coil away from the magnets. Place your feeler gauge between both arms of the coil and let the coil be drawn to the magnets through the feeler gauge. Then tighten down the coil bolts. Remove the feeler gauge and your clearance should be spot on.
@riteshprasad410311 ай бұрын
Lightweight is good and what did I use it for it’s a lawnmower kzfaq.infoUgkxTPN04aT-Qdjr_KS3ql7ng8wnU3wwsCqk also recommend Yes it is lightweight so hence not as robust as our old one. But if you take care it does the job really well.
@leblond675 жыл бұрын
Just did that today on mine! Lol. We have a exact same motor! :)
@mattjaxdad86933 жыл бұрын
I've seen many engines where the magnet sits ever so slightly more proud or recessed so in my opinion I adjust the gap at the magnet with either a feeler gauge, piece of milk jug, or thin card stock like a manilla folder or birthday card.
@johnwiggy115910 жыл бұрын
Thank you, just what I needed to know.
@tejay9416Ай бұрын
Definitely set mine right up against the flywheel because my lawn mower wont shut off on its own now, whoops, change that tomorrow 😂😂😂😂😂
@IPullingTractor7 жыл бұрын
The easiest and most accurate way to set the air gap is to use the part of the box the new coil came in. It measures about .010" thickness. Place a strip of the box between the coil's laminations and magnet in the flywheel and allow the magnet to pull the laminations to it, then tighten the coil mounting screws.
@4069ish2 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@IPullingTractor2 жыл бұрын
@@4069ish You're welcome.
@MegaCoots Жыл бұрын
Spark plug box does the same done hundreds that way sod faffing about with feeler gauges
@andy41417 Жыл бұрын
worked for me and less fiddly
@MarkO-dl7sx5 жыл бұрын
I use a strip of the box the coil comes in ....and rather than an open end spanner use a 1/4 drive ratchet
@erinbrown20159 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Great close ups, too :-)
@keve60425 жыл бұрын
Hi
@keve60425 жыл бұрын
I,kevE
@billydenham93135 жыл бұрын
Use a business card or a credit/debit card. Simple and it works every time!
@coolme6533 жыл бұрын
I used a credit card and the mower charge me.lol
@mikelunsford25872 жыл бұрын
I have a cub cadet 20 hp Briggs and Stratton. I don't have spark. I replaced the coil and the plugs. I set the gap over and over and over... still no spark. The magnet is clean and strong enough to grab my tools. I also removed the auto kill wire just in case it was shorted... but no help Any ideas
@vinceking78784 ай бұрын
Can you do it if the circular bit is rusty, or will the clearance be wrong?
@cynthiaayers76962 жыл бұрын
Back in my day we used to use a matchbook cover as a gauge.
@garethifan10343 жыл бұрын
Well helpful..thanks.
@super63strat8 жыл бұрын
Thanks mate... wrong amount air gap is the problem .
@REVNUMANEWBERN4 жыл бұрын
WOW, must be a OLD >>GOOD
@norge6964 жыл бұрын
That's because the whole block is made out of cast iron, not aluminum.
@twistedmetriccycles8 жыл бұрын
This is 100% correct way to set the gap....very well done video.
@johnwade57476 жыл бұрын
I noticed the welch plug with the oil hole and the felt 'wick'that lubes the top of the shaft are missing!The starter clutch stands still all the time that the engine is running,so if it isnt replaced,it may gall to the shaft and not only squeal,but mangle the end of the recoil /spring.(Sand the shaft in a circular motion to remove rust or gall/discoloration.)Dont over oil it. I do 5 or 6 drops of light oil like 3 in 1 , but a.t.f. is also thin and durable.
@frankdavidson96752 жыл бұрын
i have set it by just looking ran fine --very forgiving adj.--
@peterwood-jenkins36345 жыл бұрын
both gaps should be locked at one time feeler gauge in both push the coil in then lock your way you can end up with the wrong gap in one
@beezerlm5 жыл бұрын
I was thinking the same thing. The first side will shift a little when moving the second side.
@danwells76916 жыл бұрын
another thing 25 gap on the plugs .u can go lower but if u carbon on them go higher at 25 it will start easier and run cooler
@dennism6445 жыл бұрын
Problem have a john deere pushmower and I've had it to john deere and they say they dont know what's wrong with it.......pushing it along one day and for no reason it quit.not gas....Its got new carb.not the problem.its got new points set to what I could find .010 .not the problem.its got new coil. .012 or the thickness of matchbook cover.not the problem.john deere wont fix it or replace it.any ideas from anyone would help.thsnks
@hulaganz5 жыл бұрын
Check cylinder compression.
@scuffieduffie8 жыл бұрын
Flat gauge on rounded parts. Get a business card, unscrew your ignition coil, put the business card between the coil and flywheel, let it stick to the magnet. Tighten bolts and your good. Feelergauge is a bit overkill but some like it this way. The gap will always be bigger, unless you bend the gauge to the radius of the flywheel.
@twistedmetriccycles8 жыл бұрын
do not use a Business card as mowers gap range is between .06-.14 a BC is .10-.14 so dont use it unless you know what type of motor and gape it calls for.
@scuffieduffie8 жыл бұрын
+Michael Kelsey Never failed me.
@XMFman7 жыл бұрын
Leopold its spelled FEELER.Leopold.lol. I misspell all the time dude.Spell check doesn't help much either.lol
@Yumscale6 жыл бұрын
The bussiness card trick works everytime
@JodBronson6 жыл бұрын
Business Cards, Thin Screw Drivers, Thin Piece of Metals, hell I use my teeth if it's thin enough! USE WHATEVER WORKS!
@hepeng2627 Жыл бұрын
thanks share this video
@hulaganz5 жыл бұрын
So I understand that a slice of a plastic milk jug under each arm over the magnet is the hot ticket.
@jeffnations6649 Жыл бұрын
A business card works perfect
@caleblivaudais75732 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@JasonSmith-qx3zh6 жыл бұрын
Don't forget to clean yur magnets on the flywheel and amateur ends of dirt and rust !
@DRPowell4 жыл бұрын
Jason Smith - What about the professional ends?!
@ralphnabozny84943 ай бұрын
is that in inches?
@ralphnabozny84943 ай бұрын
thanks
@routmaster383 жыл бұрын
One must assume the engine main bearings are not badly worn or that air gap will vary while trying to run properly.
@TIMEtoRIDE9003 жыл бұрын
It fires on compression - location of coil is on the bore, the crank will be shoved straight "down" when the magnet flies by the coil with the CORRECT air gap.
@frankdavidson96752 жыл бұрын
that want happen you prove that by moving gap out 2-3 times normal gap and it will still run------ magnetism out from perm mag prove this by holding a screw driver away from a mag . slowly go toward mag with tip of driver you can feel the mag pull at least 3/4 ins away
@gmail.gr.e5 жыл бұрын
Hello everyone.Just a qurstion....does this air gap affects the 4-stroke cycle of the engine? Here's the thing...my engine(Briggs&Station 4-stroke)starts normally but cant keep working and eventually stops. Carburator has been cleaned,checked and working fine. Gasoline is replaced with fresh new. Spark plug checked...works fine. Any suggestions?
@johnwade57475 жыл бұрын
Is gas cap vent open? How about bowl vent? Remember..,if air cant get in,gas cant flow.
@charlescox74454 жыл бұрын
I just replaced the air filter, because it was filthy and when I checked my flywheel key it was slightly offset. And I have had to remove the plastic carb and clean it 3 times.
@dhala54 Жыл бұрын
@@johnwade5747 My Briggs and Stratton (Lawnboy) does not have a vented gas cap. There are some that don't.
@jodymarty31792 жыл бұрын
Does this gap of the ignition coil effect the timing?
@frankdavidson96752 жыл бұрын
no it does not the timing is set at bout 20. on the points
@DP-hy4vh Жыл бұрын
Just the strength of the spark on the sparkplug. Too close or too far on the coil/flywheel gap results in a weaker spark.
@wtfvids3472 Жыл бұрын
@@DP-hy4vh so theres too close and too far away? sure about that? thought the closer it got the better spark but i dont understand ignition coils...
@rustynuckles36629 жыл бұрын
That sure looks alot closer than 10 to 14 thousandths!
@beezerlm5 жыл бұрын
@Leopold I think you forgot a zero in there for the printer paper. Mine measures 0.003"
@markgerber5605 Жыл бұрын
LoL. HIs guage said .002.
@bernardocosmemorend7764 жыл бұрын
Why not set the air gap with a bussines card ? Saludos Bernardo
@boots78593 жыл бұрын
They rip.
@johnwade57475 жыл бұрын
I see a lot of coils and carbs discarded that were misdiagnosed.(especially B.andS.magnetrons).Too often,people will put on a new part instead of re-tracing all safety interlocks.Carbs can almost always be cleaned and rebuilt,(but that isnt cost-effective,especially if they plan to 'bump up'the part's price)...just sayin'...
@carrollprice12137 жыл бұрын
Use a standard business card to set the air gap.
@norge6964 жыл бұрын
@Leopold no its not. A business card is between 0.010 and 0.012 which are both acceptable.
@boxing4life2589 жыл бұрын
I thought you had to tighten it up against the magnet on the fly wheel?
@GardenMechanic9 жыл бұрын
boxing 4 life You do, a bit of bad editing from me there.
@Hondarider2509 жыл бұрын
boxing 4 life noooo don't do that lol
@thekingsilverado90048 жыл бұрын
+boxing 4 life In some cases the magnet is exstenuated and eccentricated that is esthetically the truth. The magnet may protrude more than the rest of the circum. of the armature wheel. That is why it is important to keep your owned user manuals... Good point boxy.... Some equip has eccentric or eccentricated parts. It's important to keep manuals make notes. I prefer the interior doors of my barns.
@brendacardoza4957 жыл бұрын
+GardenMechanic hg
@johnwade57476 жыл бұрын
You have a good point it .It insures no 'crawling',and eliminates touching if engine has many hours and main brng. "play'.
@thekingsilverado90048 жыл бұрын
Don't these Limey's own a ratchet and sockets?
@thekingsilverado90048 жыл бұрын
PEOPLE IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE WORLD HAVE THEIR OWN SLANG AND TERMINOLOGIES... I TRAVELED AS A MILITARY CONTRACTOR. EVER HEAR OF A HAND CONDOM? A PLASTIC OR LATEX GLOVE//// HEARD THAT ONE IN THE BACK WOODS OF SCOTLAND. I HEARD BAD COPS CALLED BLEEDIN DICKS IN SCOTLAND. I HEARD THEM CALL AN AIR CONDITIONER A BANJO FAN... DEPENDS WHERE Y'ALL LIVE AT DUDE....
@jimfacundo74948 жыл бұрын
Tim Yeakel
@michelebeck43116 жыл бұрын
Malik Martin i call it an open ender or ring spanner! Makes me a stupid kiwi does it?
@danestcg6 жыл бұрын
Malik Martin Although living in UK, but born in another part of the world, I call it a spanner. And so do a lot of other people with similar backgrounds. So what? Being American, does not give one the right to dictate to the rest of the world what to call certain items & how to pronounce words. You can't even pronounce the word solder, but say 'soder', or herbs, 'erbs'. I can go on & on, but I think the point is clear.
@jpsirianni56562 жыл бұрын
Actually it's called a stater coil. 🙂
@johnwade57475 жыл бұрын
Dont get too caught up on sanding the rust and expecting that to cure a spark issue.9 times out of 10,the points(if its an older engine)or rare but possibly the magnetron coil being the culprit.cleanliness IS IMPORTANT on POINTS, but magnetism is BARELY affected by rust. Note;when someone tells you they sanded the flywheel and now have spark,theres usually more to their story...,I.e.safety interlocks,dirty or oily points,etc. Just sayin....
@naamangeist78432 жыл бұрын
You left out the part where you turned the flywheel to bring the magnets back to behind the coil again. Actually, it wasn't neccessary to move the magnets away in the first place. You can simply break the magnet force by pulling the coil away long enough to insert the feeler gauge.
@frankdavidson96752 жыл бұрын
thats a good reason to cardboard box top
@paavohynynen26547 жыл бұрын
Sheet of paper is good enough or even better.
@johnwade57476 жыл бұрын
If so, Make darn sure your engine doesn't have any main bearing wear,(or just use a business card.Tried and tested by us old schoolers for 50 years,)It'll be O.K., and won't have the possibility of touching from thermal expansion or centrifugal distortion.
@AuMechanic6 жыл бұрын
You should not use a steel feeler gauge to set air gap, use a brass one that comes with most automotive feeler gauge sets or any non magnetic gauge..
@walkertongdee3 жыл бұрын
WTF air gap ha ha.,..
@gbunt6410 жыл бұрын
You set the gap to the maximum. Why not set it to the nominal .012? The specification was a gap of .010 to .014.
@2012isRonPaul10 жыл бұрын
is 0.02 twice the amount of 0.010 ? -___-
@TickleFingers9 жыл бұрын
That was not the "max" setting. There is no max or min setting in his manual. The .010 setting is for engine model 220000 and .014 is for engine model 250000 which is the model he is working on. He specifically mentioned this in the video.
@leblond675 жыл бұрын
Yep! Just what I did..set it to the nominal .012" Runs great!!
@unclepomen22383 жыл бұрын
Me use a piece of paper and its works...
@mp4338 Жыл бұрын
Wrong. Must be set the both side coil in same time exactly in magnetic area an no in nomagnetic area. .012 in better all tha time. Clean the fly wheel before adjust gap. Any rust on fly and coil to have a good gap.
@jefffromjersey526 жыл бұрын
The way he is handing that wrench made me cringe ..
@guynorth3277 Жыл бұрын
wtf
@dufus22736 жыл бұрын
just get it as close as you can without hitting the flywheel. end of story.
@pitek11 Жыл бұрын
I will tell also helpful is a piece of paper. Two or three layers if flywheel is not perfect center on shaft.
@petepeabody89053 жыл бұрын
He shows his ignorance by using a metal feeler gauge to set air gap. That is a absolute NO NO. You can purchase brass, plastic, or paper that is non magnetic to do the job correctly. Most magneto, or coils usually come with the proper shim stock for your engines application. Just saying......
@TIMEtoRIDE9003 жыл бұрын
The flywheel magnet is permanently embedded in . . . . umm . . . . METAL !!
@petepeabody89053 жыл бұрын
@@TIMEtoRIDE900 You need to use a non metallic feeler gauge such as plastic, brass, or even paper, but never a metal isa what I am saying
@TIMEtoRIDE9003 жыл бұрын
@@petepeabody8905 You still haven't EXPLAINED why it's "a NO NO" What's wrong with using metal . . . .
@petepeabody89053 жыл бұрын
@@TIMEtoRIDE900 It is so simple. the majority of the metal on the flywheel is composed of a non-conductive metal. This is why when you spin the flywheel until you get to the metal that is embedded does not attract (pull) the coil to it. But I guess if you do not understand why you should never use a conductive metal that also would be attracted to the magnetic properties in the coil to perform this task then you will not get a true and proper gap. So this is why a non conductive gapping tool must be used, paper, plastic brass, anything that will not attract to the coil and also be the proper thickness per the manufacturers recommendations. That is why. But you seem to be a know it all or just plain argumentative so personally I really do not care if you use whatever you use. I will not try and explain further because I would be answering to a box of rocks. There you go.....................
@TIMEtoRIDE9003 жыл бұрын
@@petepeabody8905 basically YOU KICKED THE CHESS PIECES OVER, SHIT ON THE BOARD AND PROCLAIMED YOURSELF THE WINNER! Maybe you don't know there ARE cast iron flywheels, so your explanation of a "non-conductive flywheel" is in question. And still why WOULDN'T a 0.010 METAL feeler gauge give a "true and proper" gap ?? You don't have a REAL answer because you are wrong and don't know what's what.
@billydenham93135 жыл бұрын
Use a business card or a credit/debit card. Simple and it works every time!
@joesinakandid5284 жыл бұрын
Debit card is too thick - I use a business card. Simple, cheap, easy and you don't have to fight the magnet.