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He is back, after six month! Yes 💪🏻

A JESSE COYLE VIDEO.. NO WAY.

I think it is important to also consider Francis was an elite racer in the UK, a few years back now but this is someone with a history of riding bikes fast. And just reminding the body to ride a bit is going to be worth most of these gains.

My thoughts during yesterday's NERO show: man, JC hasn't uploaded in a while. Today: 🙏🙏🙏

You heard it here first: Garmin watches increase FTP by 20% in 5 weeks! 🎉

Is it because Francis had a 300W+ ftp in the past, and the body just "remembers" ?

I really enjoyed that, it was great watching a video about somebodioes training experinance with the comments/input from a coach, transfered a lot of information without lecturing, more please ... oh and cudos for not watching before hand and editing out

Always liked your personality....but realising I like that your review and critic of people and things is professional. Stripping any attempt to belittle and demean, and explaining why you don't think what they or it is doing/does is correct. Bravo! Good to have a Jesse coaching vid to watch :)

I see you weekly over at the podcast, still nice to see you upload here once in a while.

Good to see another training reaction video. Thanks Jesse, some useful insights in there.

Really enjoyed the breakdown, thanks Jesse 🍻

Welcome back you were missed!

As a Norwegian who known and done the Norwegian method since 1988 I say the watch does a very good job at structuring the training. Most people do way too much half hard sessions and not enough low or easy base / zone 2 training. This leads to burnout and/or injury (especially amongst runners).

Thanks for a video! Enjoyed this one!

Great to see you back on youtube :)

I WAS WAITING FOR THIS. THANKS

I expect his ftp when he was racing E/C1 was much higher than 270. So the 1st test was well off his potential hence the fast improvement off little training load. His training history will help. I have some mates that have such a good volume of historic training & racing in their legs it doesn't seem to take long or much to get back to 85-95% of their previous levels (it's the next 5 or 10% that is the tough bit to find).

You're a legend Jesse, welcome back 👏

Never thought I’d love a video of someone talking about a video. But I love these series. As someone with a Garmin Epix, the calendar will change depending on the day you had prior. This “calendar” is a daily suggestion and is not based on the user putting in a “plan/goal” - that’s a seperate feature. Also, the suggestion is given in the morning. So if you have a long day & then decide to do the workout, it could change what is served up the next day.

Love your point on "adaptations". makes total sense.

jesse underestimates his content on this channel...though i watch on nero weekly...i wouldnt mind u doing ur thing over here

Some interesting insights Jesse, thanks.

Jesse keep pumping out they vids, we love them

Missed your videos!!!

Would be interesting to see a super detailed comparison between different training plans such as stuff on training peaks, garmin, wahoo, zwift and trainerroad.

He would probably have had a ftp of between 300/400w in the past so although he hasn't been training as such for a while he would be able to get back some of those watts quicker. As you said we don't know what hr etc from the 2 other tests but still a good improvement.

Great video Jesse!

I have a Garmin fenix 6 pro and usually look at the suggested workout of the day. It's never learnt from the sessions I do, so if I routinely do vo2max sessions of 8x4min@110-125pc FTP, if it ever tells me to do intensities, it's always way less. Threshold sessions are more sweet spot than anything, and so on. Only exception being sprint sessions. Ultimately I use the info to know if the watch believes I should be doing a hard effort on a given day or not, sometimes it motivates me, sometimes it gives me an excuse to be lazy.

Jesse do you think there's a lower range for endurance workouts to be effective? Interested to get your thoughts cause i've been doing endurance rides at 50-60% of FTP and seeing good gains.

I'm messing around with this for running right now. I put in secondary and primary running events and it sets phases for training based on hitting the primary event. Base, build, and taper/race readiness. It adapts daily overnight to the load from the day and physiological metrics it tracks. It seems to get a bit jacked up right now since I'm doing cycling in addition to running so in what was supposed to be a more tempo/build phase I'm getting more recovery workouts in a row than I would normally go for. But in Garmin a trust so we'll see how it goes. Im really just getting back into it so a lot of the gains are going to be just from frequently doing the exercise. We'll see how this shakes out in 6 weeks. But I'm now banking highevel performance on this. Just to take the thinking out of what workout to do for now. Once I hity base fitness target I'll give it more scrutiny.

I'm now inspired to try this. My Garmin usually says I'm doing to much and to not work out.

Email to Garmin > Can you please detail what "daily suggested" workouts optimizes for in cycling? Answer: The Daily Suggested workouts are for customers that do not have a particular goal in mind but would like to improve overall fitness. It will not Improve FTP as this is a one off measurement metric, but it will slowly improve the weaker areas and build you up to a good level. Daily Suggest Workouts will take the following into account when suggesting workouts; Training Status Training Load & Load Focus VO2 Max Value Recovery Time Sleep Data Profile of Recently Performed Workouts Scheduled Races (This will only effect this feature on devices with the Race Event feature. Refer to your owner's manual to check compatibility)

From my experience with Garmin watches and using it basically for more than a year: They are very conservative. Most workouts are easy (like 55-60% for zone 2 rides, rarely up to 65%) and are probably meant for "normal people" - not fit cyclists. Basically always trying to play safe like no upper zone 2 (towards 75% FTP). Especially on the trainer, I rarely achieved their aerobic/anaerobic target by sticking to their duration and wattage. Also the "hard workouts" weren't really hard or long - this is also matched by Garmin's recovery estimation. Garmin may want me to do a threshold session like 3*8 minutes @86% - again very low - but I can easily do 3*8@100% FTP. But it's always lowballing in the zones (both wattage and duration). Also I rarely had any VO2 workouts from Garmin up to 120% FTP. But Garmin sometimes throws in a Sprint workout - most were easy (like the one Cade had in week 1) but some were also impossible like 30*10s @300% FTP.

You recommend testing on day 7. What should you use as a baseline for the first 7 days? Previous FTP?

It’s very niche, but would love to see your take on Rob Redpath’s training (amateur in Melbourne who does 20-25hr weeks year round it seems)

Yess!! Finnaly a new vid

My Garmin constantly wants me to rest. As soon as I'm sitting on my bike it says rest 70+ hours and every morning it says "you did sleep bad so you need more rest time". However I ignore it and the rest time does not increase. So it does not matter if I was riding 20 hours or only 4. I need 4 days rest. About the boring part, i did enduco and it wanted me to 5 hour rides constantly which were super boring and annoying on the turbo trainer.

Jesse please make a video of your experience with immersive waxing

Jesse, I saw on your review of Benji's vid you said that testing outdoors is better. I don't have a power meter on my bike yet so I do them on the trainer. What are your thoughts about doing an FTP outdoors on the trainer?

I use the garmin watch for suggested running workouts. It’s very hit or miss. Definitely would not use this for cycling but running it’s ok

Yes Jesse reaction vid. Lets goooooo

Garmin watches seem to follow a normalized distribution of intensity It always say I need more high aerobic (I think it means zone 3 and zone 4) work. Also Garmin watches always lower my VO2max when I don't do 1-2 min effort.

I have been following Garmin's recommendations for Running and Biking for 2 yrs. with about a 85% compliance and I can say without a shadow of doubt that Garmin's recommendations are accurate at helping maintain fitness level and/or improving fitness level WITHOUT injury or even a niggle. I could have followed a PE type plan and likely had similar results, but probably not without an injury in the process.

Easy explanation mate... prior higher capacity with poor testing consistency/familiarity. ie he under performed/unfamiliar testing initially, made minor adaptations during the month of "basically maintenance mode" if that, then gave a legitimate solid effort for the ending test. I believe 20min max tests should be done frequently (2-3x/mo), not necessarily to ultimately produce the highest figures, but to establish a solid mental perceived effort connection so you really know when your twisting the throttle vs when your just staring at your computer hoping it works out.... How many of us have done 20min tests and when we get to 19 or 19:30 your able to kick it up from say 300 to 350 or 375 for that last 1min? if you can do that you probably could have done 5 or maybe 10 watts more the entire duration and underperformed for your test.

So power meters needed to do the training , and a good system at home to do the FTP test I will see if I can afford all. This

The daily workouts give you a score and ask how you felt, I think they also adjust like when I have a crap sleep it turns to rest day

After 3 month my Garmin watch gives me 1h base Mon, 1h base Tu, 1h with 55min@Z4 Wed, Thursady Rest, 1h base Fri, 6h base sat and another 6h on sunday. So it will change but it will stay with a mass of Z2 or Z1 rides.

I feel like the next video should be about APE cycling :) his diet or maybe the bonkers ftp gains.

Have you got any more training videos planned Jesse?

The man remembered how to turn the computer on

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Jesse Coyle is the MorePlatesMoreDates of cycling I’m so stoked on more breakdown/review videos 😍

What was not clear to me, was if this 31 day was a Garmin plan of 31 days, or just a time period Cade choose. And if there was a goal to the plan, or if it was just a general fitness plan. If it is a general plan, without a time limit, I can see that there is a very slow buildup, where the watch gets the baseline set in.

Garmin does have training plans geared towards an event (e.g. a Fondo on X date), but that isn't what Francis was doing. Having done both, I find the daily suggestions are fine, though barely enough to maintain, and the training plans are also fine, but if I am using an automated one rather than a real coach, Zwift's have been more effective more me. Still doesn't have the feedback of a good coach, but can be at least fun.

Yes mate!!

Comments on Tristan 28 days program?

I like this watch, very considerate. I am getting one. My coach (me) is a much bigger c&nt

I do wonder who does these types of plans. For me I don't think I could be bothered. It might take away some of the enjoyment of riding. Would just plenty of volume work as well, if a little slower? With some high intensity up hills etc chasing club mates.

He's a former racer. To expand on your ready to train, he probably had a 300+W ftp in the past and his body is just gearing up to get back into it. Lot easier to build back than to build new.

Is it possible that the Garmin is prescribing rides based on overall stress that it detects, from either rides themselves or your everyday life? He mentions moving (physical labor) and those who follow Wild Ones know his Dad had health issues during the filming of this… that’s psychological stress, cortisol spike etc. It’s not just the rides that it’s taking into account… but your everyday life stress, sleep, etc. Is that right?

'25 watts....in a month!' sounded so Monty Python!

Brilliant Jesse, give the other guy the push your better 😂

Great content, as usual. I think no one on yt does better reaction videos. I think that with consistency you could achieve many views / subs. But I understand that you prefer your normal job than doing yt :)

Francis starts training again after a long break. FTP increases. Shocked Pikachu face

Might be interesting to check his sleep data too. Is he getting enough sleep

Yaaaay we missed you! Babies ruin everything 😂

I always find my TSS is much higher when riding outdoors often 3 times higher...

After 3x heart surgeries, I use HRV as my sole indicator of how hard im allowed to train. 55+ = Z4, 40-55 = Z2,

He went from 3.5 w/kg to over 4 in 6 weeks, not too shabby. EDIT: This assumes his weight didn't change at all.

Just watching this video while doing zone 2 😂. Btw I think the last test was a ramp test so yeah

My Garmin is always telling me to take it easy. It assumes I'm a wimp. Xert is way harder. I used TrainerRoad a few years ago. It tried to kill me.

Mine only gives rest days after stupid hard sessions.

I think he was sandbagging for his first FTP test. He also has a bit of an impish personality that may want to show how Garmin is inaccurate. I’ve done this with running on a Forerunner 240, and it was overly aggressive for senior citizen so with the 5k training plan, it was way off. It seemed to be setting me up for a race, as it did many Race pace intervals.

Guy who used to be fit enough to PIN numbers on but hadn’t trained, then starts doing something to find an increase, what a shocker.

He got better at testing.

Bro i was looking for a coach please reply jesse

That watch is absolutely brilliant, it understands cyclist-maths: Average watts used for a ride = Normalised power for said ride FTP told = Real FTP (although based on normalised power) + 10% + an extra 5 watts I think I can get away with Weight told = Real weight + 2.5 kg Training duration = Training duration x 1.65 Number of trainings per month = Said number x 1.5 No wonder he had to take a week off after 31 days.

My BS meter caught fire from the Francis video. Or, did we watch a sales attempt?

Seems incredibly dull, but worked for him. Although as it's been said he has a very strong cycling background that must have helped.

Wasn't this guy a pro for a while? How does he start with an FTP of 235. Either nerfed the first FTP test or was really out of shape. If he was out of shape it doesn't take much to remind the muscles how to work again. How many of us regular guys have come back after a winter of sitting on the couch to 80 - 90% of summer in a few short weeks. Also, that ending FTP isn't much higher than mine as a slightly better than average 40yo so another point that he nerfed the first test and just got woken up over the course of a month.

35W in 6 weeks seems imposible. Even regaining fitness after some time of not training won't be that fast. Maybe he was well trained back in a days and layed down 2 months before doing the challange. I usually see ~15W increase in 4 weeks after detraining period and after hitting a ceiling it's more like 5-7W/4 weeks increase. However I do low volume of training overall, around 6-8h/week.😁

Rider with experience has a layoff then starts riding regularly I would expect their FTP to increase dramatically.

Francis has always been a pretty well trained cyclist - so these gains are probably easy for him after a period off the bike...

It's not selling Garmin plans to me. I'm kind of interested to see what his weekly CTL bump ups are like. I'd be finding another sport if a coach made things so boring with minimal load.

I have an FTP of 285-290w and my max power for 20seconds is 420w😂 I need this plan😂

Maybe he was on vacay with Lance Armstrong 😂😅

Garmin will ask you how you felt after a threshold test. If the user is honest Garmin will adjust accordingly. Yes, the more data you throw at watch the better. I use my Garmin Edge and Garmin Fenix 7 along with my Favero power meter to provide all the data Garmin needs to know if I'm improving, increase intensity, and recovery. Garmin knows how well I sleep, how much workouts I do and at what intensity along with blood oxygen, heart rate, respiration etc. over a few months of collecting and adjusting it will get closer and closer to understanding and giving you the right data and workout. People need to realize that it's not a wear it once and it automatically knows everything about you. The system needs to learn about you first and the more data it collects over time the better.

After consistently training and learning for the last 5 years, l have found, personally, ramp tests aren't all they are cracked up to be. If you test one day over another, the results have a relative big variance. This dependent on what you have been doing leading up to the test in training. How you have been eating leading up to and on the day of testing. Sleep over the previous days. Atmospheric conditions, and l feel most importantly, how motivated you are on the particular ramp test day determines what number you hit. And I feel the motivation part is huge. If I just carry out a ramp test just to see where I'm at, it will be way lower, maybe 15W than if I'm testing after a training block leading up to an important race. Then, if you have someone there watching you, always go harder as well. I would go as far to say that if what I have referred to on one day was worst case then say 2 days later best case, I would see 25-30w difference. Si, NZ.

Muscle memory

simple explanation -> calibrate powermeter 😀

I'd definitely get faster if I listened to my Garmin, but I'd also quickly burn myself out...

Turns out if you've been a great cyclist most of your life, take a bunch of time off, and then start riding your bike again, you'll get faster. I'd wager he gets as big or bigger gain in that time just literally picking his own sessions.

This is why AI will never replace a real life coach ;)

just letting you man, JC Analysis / Training videos > Nero Show Eps

That isn't a fair representation, he was in the past fitter, it is easier to get fitness back, than to create from scratch

Yeah but his pro FTP was like 370 so these gains are just peanuts

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