Gavin McInnes and Wife discuss Proud Boys

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8 ай бұрын

Proud Boys founder #GavinMcInnes denunciation of the #ProudBoys
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@jon-fm5ok 6 ай бұрын

They tried so hard to edit this to make him look bad and he still comes off good lol.

@hippa2dahoppa2 6 ай бұрын

dante still looked bad though, they didnt even have to edit him

@jon-fm5ok 6 ай бұрын

@@hippa2dahoppa2 Dante?

@chasedwards9626 6 ай бұрын

Dante Nero, interviewed in the video… did you even watch it before commenting?

@tcorourke2007 5 ай бұрын

Well, they are just reporting on what some people feel might possibly be the case.

@jon-fm5ok 5 ай бұрын

@@chasedwards9626 yes

@fiddlesticks7468 6 ай бұрын

The way they edit Gavin like a marvel supervillain 💀

@motovayne1 5 ай бұрын

*spooky music*

@B4bydr3w504 7 ай бұрын

Gavin is the fucking man

@johnedward9377 6 ай бұрын

Gavin is the butt boy

@B4bydr3w504 6 ай бұрын

@@johnedward9377 Gavin owns the bird which is the bald eagle

@Johnny.Brahvo 6 ай бұрын

@@johnedward9377says the trans supporter

@johnedward9377 6 ай бұрын

@@Johnny.Brahvo come again?

@Johnny.Brahvo 6 ай бұрын

@@johnedward9377 I already busted on your mom’s face. Do u really want more come? 😂

@ryanh1275 5 ай бұрын

the slow scary music in the background at the beginning when he's just saying women are happiest being a full time mother to their children 😂😂

@pegasus5287 5 ай бұрын

I ha e been a nurse for over 35 years, I can tell you, old women, even thos approaching 100 continue to speak of their days as a mother as the best times of their lives. Still refer to them as their babies evem though the children are in their 70's. And I am a mither who feeps the same way. Those were the absolute best times in my life, more satisfying amd rewarding than any degree I ever earned, any pay raise, and material thing. Ot isnt for all women, many choose not to have children and report their lives have been very fulfilling. To each their own. I loved caring for my husband and my children.

@joparker9052 Ай бұрын

Halloween music 😂

@joparker9052 Ай бұрын

@pegasus5287 to have kept the choice and flexibility of home and/or work would be nice. That used to be a thing. But now that's almost non-existent thanks to the modern economy. Being a mom with a daughter, it worries me. I don't want her locked into this crap I'm locked into.

@notsocrates9529 6 ай бұрын

3:33 I am Mexican and he is right, context or not. I hate how soft and coddled we have become as a whole. We are throwing away our country and way of life so that we do not hurt anybody's feelings or offend a low achieving urbanite.

@joeroberts2156 4 ай бұрын

You mean you're pocho and malinchista?

@starmsjc 4 ай бұрын

Pobrecito los hombres y ninos.

@lancewalker2595 4 ай бұрын

Cheers to you.

@SantanaBinks 4 ай бұрын

Exactly. You should consider joining if you think your values align. I’m also Mexican.

@juniorsanchez7441 Ай бұрын

Completely agree! Im Mexican and all my Mexican friends always talking about how much better we are as a people and im thinking “then why tf cant we do shit right in our own country and have to run like cowards to a different country that actually has structure?”

@festivusfortherestofus1302 5 ай бұрын

It's wild that the proud boys were considered extremist, but antifa wasn't.

@1247.cccccc 5 ай бұрын

Antifa was considered to be myth among mental luminaries such as Fat Jerry Nadler (d) New York.

@chuck-wv9nh Ай бұрын

It was Proud Boys...and Patriot Prayer..Oath Keepers etc etc...responding to Antifa violence...not the other way around. None of the right wing groups were rioting or attacking cops.. or burining down buildings.

@elon_bust 8 күн бұрын

“Considered” by who is the question

@justinm1200 5 ай бұрын

Proud Boys get labelled as racist yet look at how racially diverse they are. I think they also have some gay members too.

@soyboysam3162 Ай бұрын

So it's people paying to have friends?

@whereandbackagain7059 7 күн бұрын

@soyboysam3162 like a frat but infinitely more cringey.

@soyboysam3162 6 күн бұрын

@@whereandbackagain7059 literally. idk how people fall for shit like this.

@SantanaBinks 18 сағат бұрын

⁠@@soyboysam3162No, you don’t pay anything.

@SantanaBinks 18 сағат бұрын

@@whereandbackagain7059like a frat but for men

@a34rwl 7 ай бұрын

Why does she keep saying McGuinness?

@johnedward9377 6 ай бұрын

Probably to piss him off

@ben________3156 4 ай бұрын

She's American. They say Is-real even though the country is Israel.

@roccoruiz8342 3 ай бұрын

Hmmm… Maybe she’s an alcoholic 🤔

@WillSmith-wb1wv 6 ай бұрын

This was hilarious, Gavin is the man , people will look back in history and know he wasn’t as bad as they made him out to be.

@Xanthos307 6 ай бұрын

Nah. He was worse.

@rickkroll 6 ай бұрын

Gavin is a coward. Tells people to march while he beats his meat. Should be put under the prison IMO

@Xanthos307 6 ай бұрын

@Tintingwingting Wow. Your sagacious wit. I can’t match it.

@dixienormous9845 6 ай бұрын

@@Xanthos307Why don’t you go under a rainbow and write a poem about it, ya sweet little daffodil.

@NewYorksMostWanted 6 ай бұрын

He's quite funny and witty, but it hardly compensates for how much of a culture-war obsessed contrarion he is, which ironically is where all of his humor and witt stems from.

@andrewfoster883 7 ай бұрын

Wow, that interviewer is so smug

@mhmtakeyatime9000 6 ай бұрын

Gavin is such a troll. He's a gem.

@trebleclefism 7 ай бұрын

This was honestly hilarious.

@dr7b622 6 ай бұрын

Well, Mexico does suck. Just ask the millions here

@welfaiewfb8802 5 ай бұрын

food is good tho

@dr7b622 4 ай бұрын

@TheDude-pm2gn not what i said

@MrSenserus 6 ай бұрын

"You'll be lucky if they fill up a living room" had me cracking up. It's so true but so opposite what the news indoctrinates us with.

@hippa2dahoppa2 7 ай бұрын

"nah that ship has sailed" *waves hand* hahahahah

@chrisw6164 5 ай бұрын

They fail to present Gavin as doing a political comedy show. Why would they leave out that part? 🤔

@AryanUberMan 4 ай бұрын

Because this is propaganda

@TrevanDotCom 9 күн бұрын

Because it goes against their whole story

@TheDrewThornton 7 ай бұрын

The Proud Boys are the heroes we need

@firstlast8258 7 ай бұрын

Gay pride 🏳️‍🌈 boys

@arthurunknown8972 7 ай бұрын

But, are the Nazis they are

@Jay-cp9kd 7 ай бұрын

@@firstlast8258Hey if you wanna promote your little group that’s cool too bud!

@pinoygal6232 6 ай бұрын

I don't see them as heroes or villains

@mvmmoth 6 ай бұрын

@@firstlast8258yeah that’s antifa bud

@chrisw6164 5 ай бұрын

RYAN SIGHTING

@JamesChatting 3 ай бұрын

He's not gay

@jackominty3633 7 ай бұрын

Love Gavin. Proud of your boy!

@mfdoom1898 7 ай бұрын

Gavin for President

@firstlast8258 7 ай бұрын

Not my president

@arthurunknown8972 7 ай бұрын

Gavin for prison in 2024.

@dsmianblanchard3422 7 ай бұрын

@@arthurunknown8972 hey isn't it past your bed time? You need to go tuck in your wife and her boyfriend

@arthurunknown8972 7 ай бұрын

@@dsmianblanchard3422 are you stupid or pretending to be stupid? I can't tell because you're so good at it.

@Jay-cp9kd 7 ай бұрын

@@arthurunknown8972awww! it’s really pathetic how you people ALWAYS upvote yourself .. Like that ONE thumbs up is going to be the catalyst that changes minds??

@11UncleBooker22 7 ай бұрын

Try as they, liberal/socialist media, find it impossible to make Gavin irrational.

@rickkroll 6 ай бұрын

Lmfao "socialist" media that's honestly awesome how uninformed and in the dark you are. You people are like little organisms that haven't havent discovered light yet

@markrobertson2052 5 ай бұрын

It doesn't matter. Once the buzz words are said with his picture on the screen, that's enough to inict him to a massive portion of the population. People really are alarmingly stupid.

@unclejoe7958 6 ай бұрын

I’m fine with being perceived as a misogynist 😂

@Valkonnen 6 ай бұрын

Right, if being a "Misogynist" is KNOWING that Women have all become Miserable since Feminism, then MOST normal , and observant people would be considered that as well.

@mhmtakeyatime9000 6 ай бұрын

Misogynist is a word that lost it's meaning.

@KD400_ 5 ай бұрын

Andrew tate has become viral for having those views too lol

@whereandbackagain7059 7 күн бұрын

@KD400_ almost as viral as he has for the human trafficking.

@Gersi-11 5 ай бұрын

This man is not afraid of speaking truth

@docriley7837 6 ай бұрын

Waiting patiently for the "is the BLM movement involved in domestic terrorism" interviews.

@anthonyvucetic9899 7 ай бұрын

God bless Gavin!

@firstlast8258 7 ай бұрын

Gawd bless Murica 🤓 🖕

@_sowhat_ 7 ай бұрын

We ❤ Gavin

@ciganyweaverandherperiwink6293 7 ай бұрын

Gavin's a wilfully misunderstood, tragically underacknowledged savant who's always ten steps ahead. A once in a generation creative thinker and uniquely integrated personality. The main problem Gavin has is the same one T Robinson has: their 'fans' are dumbos and their detractors are nowhere near as smart or 'good' as they believe themselves to be. What a sandwich.

@GageSmiff 6 күн бұрын

Well put!

@ciganyweaverandherperiwink6293 6 күн бұрын

@@GageSmiff I often wonder if Gavin feels grossed out or depressed to see the state of his 'fan' base and supporters. The agony of those 'listener phone calls' on the show...holy smokes what a pack of underwhelming drips. None of them understand even half of Gavin's pop culture references or high brow-low brow transgressive mashups but they all think so highly of themselves, believing they can go toe to toe with him as an equal. Oh dear. Gavin gives us 110% genius for DECADES and THAT'S who he winds up with as his fanbase, the people attracted to him?! Wouldn't it depress YOU? I only hope that he's sociopathic or anti-social enough (and happy enough in his personal life) that he genuinely doesn't care and just likes to hear the sound of his own voice being, well, genius. That's the best case scenario.

@jdaily2293 2 ай бұрын

Lmao at the OK hand symbol. That was a joke created by the 4chan website to see if media will fall for it, and they did.

@ernestoacosta7918 Ай бұрын

Yeah, but it also took on its own meaning beyond a prank. You act like people using it are still “heh lol, media dumb” when they’re in a group that wants to conform to status quo conservatism, even throwing ethno- nationalist slogans and gestures to do so

@reasonablyserious 7 ай бұрын

He never "denounced" the proud boys, he distanced himself so the people on trial wouldn't go down as gang members

@chrisw6164 5 ай бұрын

He’s denounced some of them. He trashed that Tarrio guy a few times. He called them idiots for going to Jan 6 (in advance) and for taking terrible advice from the current leadership.

@TorgeirBerg 4 ай бұрын

@@chrisw6164he told them not to go to jan 6 since he figured it would be a fucking setup, and he was right.

@ConnorMcMullen103 6 ай бұрын

Also…. It’s McInnes. Where’s the G in that?

@ernestolosgrande2591 7 ай бұрын

These guys are great!

@eoin7704 7 ай бұрын

He's 100% right....

@Historiskafilmer 7 ай бұрын

Such a smart man ❤

@Imnottapinata 7 ай бұрын

🤣

@Floptart 6 ай бұрын

Keep up the good work, Gav. Love you more than a friend.

@killitwithfire2321 7 ай бұрын

I wonder why they never mention he was a founding member of vice media?

@davidkruse4030 7 ай бұрын

She mentioned it in the interview. Watch the video guy

@_sowhat_ 7 ай бұрын

They did

@syxx573 4 ай бұрын

@@_sowhat_ no, they said he was part of Vice, and in the same sentence said he founded the proud boys. Nothing about being the founder of Vice.

@Shacorndog 6 ай бұрын

we live in 1984

@marksantory410 5 ай бұрын

Lmfao i love when they think sharing old clips of gavin is actually gonna make people pissed at him when everyone just laughs at them.

@pegasus5287 5 ай бұрын

You dont live in california

@yourewrongabouteverything 5 ай бұрын

@@pegasus5287thank God

@The_ScapeGoat 6 ай бұрын

Even though this has all kinds of out of context edits, it's surprisingly fair and accurate. The biased reporter at least tries to give voice to truth here. It's very surprising to see her explain that the "white power hand gesture" started as a 4chan meme. She should've added that they knew the media would run with it because it is so desperate to convince people of the popularity of white supremacy.

@bigcrackrock 6 ай бұрын

I know it wasn't their first success either. My memory sucks but I remember there was some CNN clip someone posted on a forum I use, and somebody said that whatever BS they were talking about was a 4chan troll. They also mentioned that they were trying to get people believing that the okay hand gesture was racist and sure enough maybe a week later the stories started coming out

@hippa2dahoppa2 7 ай бұрын

dante is a nothing. he copied patrice and is always copying someone. he always talks shit how he can get any women and then was on the radio one day trying to smooth talk a chick and she showed everyone how chicks really respond to him she totally had no interest

@AndrewK209 5 ай бұрын

This was actually a pretty fair interview they gave a good amount of push back and you can tell they were kinda bias but they let Gavin speak and explain himself

@daniellegraves5614 5 ай бұрын

❤Thank God for the proud boys

@chazprouk 5 ай бұрын

“The Proud Boys Is…..” She’s a journalist!

@chasedwards9626 6 ай бұрын

Gotta love modern journalism. This reporter obvious went to the Daily Show school of editing. It’s seriously parody level.

@joshwoj2784 7 ай бұрын

Ryan !

@JamesChatting 3 ай бұрын

Isn't gay

@kdw75 5 ай бұрын

It is so hilarious how the media don't even realize he is playing with them. That symbol is for "OK". How could anyone not know what the OK hand symbol is???

@readmycomment3707 6 ай бұрын

F political correctness

@BrokTheLoneWolf 6 ай бұрын

5:32 😂 killed me. Flashes the sign. I get what he did there. 😅

@zzellie85 6 ай бұрын

Former PB Dante Nero? Are you sure about that?

@LaallaDahdie 6 ай бұрын

I could FEEL the edits through the whole vid.

@marksantory410 5 ай бұрын

I think the proud boys do love a good brawl lmao

@LetsGoMetsGo33 5 ай бұрын

He's a charismatic feller.

@berndlauert4741 5 ай бұрын

Lol they actually try to bash them for doing the OK handsign.

@swampybwoy 5 ай бұрын

They don’t look like a white nationalist group somehow 😂

@kenspearsy7954 6 ай бұрын

Gavin rules for life.

@maxanodasilva2378 7 ай бұрын

Dante is a snitch. He was a proud boy bishop or something

@WatchMaga 7 ай бұрын

Never a more obvious plant, in retrospect.

@xdumpstrspunionx902 7 ай бұрын

A true glowie if I've ever seen one.

@miketheyunggod2534 7 ай бұрын

They are being attacked.

@GrabEmByTheNussy_Nunt_Nunted 7 ай бұрын

Good 👍

@arthurunknown8972 7 ай бұрын

For the crimes they committed

@justinm1200 5 ай бұрын

The proud boys truly are misunderstood

@dsmianblanchard3422 7 ай бұрын

Proud Of Your Boy

@turdferguson7504 6 ай бұрын

Respect to gavs wife for acting for the cameras.

@DruNarayan Ай бұрын

She’s Native American. I used to listen to his old podcast. He said sometimes they would get drunk and she would attack him. She’s a bit crazy for putting up with him and he’s kind of crazy too. They’re not bad people but they’re nutty.

@turdferguson7504 Ай бұрын

@@DruNarayan Nutty is relative

@rufnek304 2 ай бұрын

They literally stopped people from attacking other people 🙄

@routinelyrandom9409 6 ай бұрын

Went to Mexico. the family unit and commitment to church and community was strong. Stronger than here.

@justinm1200 5 ай бұрын

Yes they are very christian. Something that's been dying in the US.

@Crypt0rkid 5 ай бұрын

So why’d you come back?

@routinelyrandom9409 5 ай бұрын

@Crypt0rkid because I'm happy here and my family is here. If I liked Mexico more I'd aim to live there. There's less opportunity there for people in my income bracket, but if I was wealthy I would probably take advantage of the labor costs there, but I'd be weary of the rights of property there - they aren't as solid and as well defined in the area I went, and I assume that crosses over to rural areas as well

@yorkshire_tea_innit8097 6 ай бұрын

Idk the wp sign was a hilarious joke. It's not really a white power sign, its a victory sign over the walking corpse that is main stream media because they are led by the nose on all this stuff.

@920WASHBURN 2 ай бұрын

How come they don't mention Enrique was a fed?😂😂

@tobiashansen488 6 ай бұрын

Having watched patrice o neal, dante and gavin for the past 10 years... dante would definently be trown under the bus by the news media, if he became bigger, just like gavin, just for being percieved as a right wing...

@Mason-nq6ev 3 ай бұрын

I don’t like “groups” but I like Gavin

@shockcityrocker 4 ай бұрын

They so got Andy Kaufman’ed and still don’t realize it. I fucking love this shit, hahahahah. 😂

@RxYouth 5 ай бұрын

Gotta love those horror movie stings to poison the well and make people associate Gavin with a villain or serial killer.

@pegasus5287 5 ай бұрын

He is removing funding from the foster care system to pay for heath care for the migrants. I am for helping others, but at this cost? No.

@barryohanlon 5 ай бұрын

She’s tried to edit it and make them look bad, but it hasn’t worked.

@joshuacairns1566 Ай бұрын

Absolute legend. This video backs up this comment.

@WarPigs413 6 ай бұрын

Gavin is a beloved patriot or either the bird which is the bald eagle

@mgu1N1n1 6 ай бұрын

Love Gavin... but what the hell is in that bald comedians ear?

@toddlong8672 5 ай бұрын

The comments are so much better than the video

@justinedward1085 7 ай бұрын

❤️ Gavin 🙏

@bourbonernie9534 4 ай бұрын

Sup, Baby Monsters? 🎉

@jas8012 7 ай бұрын

This is rich! Gotta love ABC.😂

@BrokTheLoneWolf 6 ай бұрын

Love Gavin.

@Destinyirus278 8 күн бұрын

It’s so funny when mainstream media tries to take clips together to make this dude look like a monster meanwhile there’s ppl like Howard stern who has said way worse things & done way worse things yet the media is silent about that & that dude still has a platform & Support from mainstream media..

@MattIsSoBeastlyLike 22 күн бұрын

"They claimed they were attacked" *Proceeds to shot footage of them being attacked*

@completesentences2125 6 ай бұрын

I have so much love and respect for Gav.

@larrygotter5609 5 ай бұрын

You want to know how I know Gavin is right and this interviewer is wrong? It's really simple. She is having a conversation with Gavin and the meat of the interview boils down to, "Well Gavin, don't you see how some of the stuff you do can be perceived as being racist?". Now, find me a video in which this lady is interviewing a black person wearing a Black Lives Matter shirt, were she asks the same question of, "Well BLM Activist, don't you see how some of the stuff you do can be perceived as being racist?" You will not be able to find me that video. The one sidedness is what is really wrong here.

@justinm1200 5 ай бұрын

Bingo. The biased MSM.

@bigbakes72 25 күн бұрын

SPOT ON!

@Bangcat 2 ай бұрын

But now he just irritates people from his own website and gets people to relay it for him. So now I've done my research. He indeed makes coin off rage clicks and even I went looking around finally after largely just being in too much pain to look at the likes of this. He is what he is, and it's simply best for any individuals who fall for stupid to own up to it and do better with punishment that's proportionate to their level of harm they do in the name of stupid. But so too some folks who do bad themselves in thinking it gives them their right to act all out. Hero or villain, none of it ever really is without the risk of becoming one or the other. People make me out to be a villain on a virtual platform just because I asked for people to fly over a boat that shouted us we shouldn't be able to be in a place that by invite, law, and Terms of service we had every right to be. But then again some folks will shill, simp, or side with someone who remotely looks like they're on 'their side' or 'part of their kind' that they'll even sell out their close friends let alone someone they don't know well who are just into the different yet completely legal and not wrong things they're into. Sadly that's the way of the world these days. There's jokes, but then there are those who burn bridges on a bet despite the fact some innocent walkers are right at either end of it and maybe even currently walking on it. I'm sure I'll be painted such, but we live in a world where everyone has that paintball gun. Better that than the genuine bullet. The trick is to know the difference between what's paint and what's one's life and the reasons you'd be making one or the other roll down upon the floor. Knee jerk reactions don't always mean a real injury, so weight the supposed tell tales of this or that when even tonified psychologists get it wrong regularly. So much that some companies putting faith in online questioners to ensure they have the best hires were also some of the quickest to go under without a buy out when anyone can pose the answers with a little google search ! Live and learn, all. Live and learn, keep defenses present, but don't let it shell all chances based upon anyone who proceeds forward in a way that's to be taken as perfection, for they themselves are deeper flawed and even the best of people will eventually be further in turn revealed as monsters if someone seeks to find a lie as truth enough. 🏴‍☠

@user-jp2ji4lh8r 4 ай бұрын

Undercover cops more like

@jongordon7914 Ай бұрын

Is that Ryan at the end of the table at 4:36?

@johnhall8364 5 ай бұрын

He’s the man!

@kg356 Ай бұрын

6:20 They note that Jason Kessler was on Gavin's show before Charlottesville but didn't mention that Gavin commanded all Proud Boys not to go.

@drlca6601 5 ай бұрын

radical leftists are awful but this guy rubs shoulders w Richard Spencer and that's just a fact.

@dothedew8612 4 ай бұрын

Would you take any of it back? ....ye..nah that ship has sailed. Lol! Gold.

@marykaymurphy4261 6 ай бұрын

This interview also fails to mention that Enrique Tarrio was an informant for federal and local law enforcement. (even according to wikipedia) . Other members of the Proud Boys were working with federal agents. . In another interview McInnis explained how the feds coerced ex cons to get involved with the Proud Boys and go along with various protests etc in exchange for protection and better parole arrangements, only to be betrayed by the feds and thrown back into prison. I think some went to after Jan. 6th. It's amazing how much attention The Proud Boys got from the media and federal agents . It makes me think that Gavin McInnis was "over the target" with the Proud Boys idea.

@1247.cccccc 5 ай бұрын

That's Dickapedia, yo.

@Crypt0rkid 5 ай бұрын

Mcinnis. And watch your grammar.

@robg5157 5 күн бұрын

He’s the most amazing voice in 2024 he speaks truth common sense and dosnt care about feminist feelings. They are emotional about anything and everything.

@johnsharkey5255 3 ай бұрын

That is so unfairly edited

@AryanUberMan 4 ай бұрын

Gavin makes a ton of sense!

@Floyd_Steel 8 күн бұрын

Hold on..THEE Dante Nero, Patrice o'neal's confidant was a proud boy??? I swear we live in a simulation...

@MK-he1jz 14 күн бұрын

Proud boys are awesome. Let’s be real. If u don’t twist his words, he’s a regular dude.

@NolanHawkeyeAnthony 4 ай бұрын

How Gavin puts up with his wife is beyond me. Nimrod, low key you post fire content in promoting awesome conservatives

@annastarr2043 9 күн бұрын

Love Gavin, Milo & 7:55 Katie Hopkins are all briliant comedic provocateurs. All ahead of their time. History will appreciate them

@jackcharlie9322 6 ай бұрын

Sean Strickland ?

@pocketpanther5926 3 ай бұрын

Look how differently she treats the ex-proud boy beefcake than literally everyone else in the video.

@matthewrahe7260 6 ай бұрын

Gavin’s wife being a democrat and him sitting there taking it makes him look pathetic

@bobsmith5441 6 ай бұрын

Taking it! A man that advocates for free speech & expression is going to curtail his wives beliefs and speech. Please explain?

@1247.cccccc 5 ай бұрын

I hope it is a dub from a Sophie Trudeau interview from happier times.

@user-rx162r 25 күн бұрын

I love how they made being mildly maga a hate crime

@doodlebob3758 4 ай бұрын

I watched Gavin as the proud boys was going on, and it REALLY took off past his half-hearted drunken idea. Gavin's a smart and insightful dude with a raccous sense of humor, but the army of disenfranchised dudes thought LARPing would be a lot more fun.