Mate my uncle was a gardener at his house, he once said to me that when he was at his store room which was under the place where he was killed, he was about to go to sleep and he heard the screams of the two person. He played it off thinking that we’re getting busy, but the truth is that they were drunk, when they tried to run away from the pool and into the house, he killed them and discarded the knife away in my uncles trash place, his knife was laced with rubber for a better grip, he told my uncle that he was going to do it, but he never thought that the words he was speaking would become a reality💀

it is maybe easy to understand why people should believe something that is not true, and be willing to kill for it, because people are blinded by their own insecurities.

@b- dubz child rape is arguably more heinous than murder

@b- dubz you missed my point, which was that Christian churches are institutional paedophilia organisations.

Brutally kill someone as opposed to softly killing people? Like denying people the necessities of life, to force them into destroying their own health.. for a political cause? *wear a mask; we’re all in this together* 🤔 I’ll tell you what society is engaged in right now it’s murder, softly. Government officials might be responsible for the ruling but the middle class delivers the rules brutally. *soft kills* is killing, nonetheless.

Modern colonialism was dominated by white people but it was a pretty standard way of expansion for centuries, by all countries. It's pretty awful.

Sad sad sad. We still feel the hurt to date.

I think sometimes we should see what good came of it too instead of dwelling on the bad that cannot be changed.

It was a different world so what we would not do today was not questioned in the past. Land grab and dictatorship from other empires (such as the Romans) was worse! Many places benefitted from the education and medical aid that was brought to their countries.

White colonialism is just the tip of the iceberg if we look at history. Millions of white people themselves were enslaved and colonized by the Romans. But white people more than made up for their colonialism by introducing the native populations to western medicine, food technology, transport, information technology and by combating cannablism, homophobia, sexism, etc.

God doesn't honor actions like this young man committed.

He still should've been CONVICTED in my opinion.... That guy chased two people down and it wasn't enough to murder John & Greg, but then to behead them as well???? But God told him to both judge them and murder them

@@berenlevia8486 How do you know?

@@uriituw simple God's commandments state : 1) "you will love your neighbor as yourself " If you love your neighbor as yourself , you do not commit acts of violence against them. 2)" Do to others as you would have them do to you" - self explanatory . 3) "you will not murder" the unlawful taking of a persons life is an abomination before God ; no unrepentent murderer will see or be a part of God's Kingdom. The young man broke 3 commandments of God, thats why God will not honor this young man's actions .

@@berenlevia8486 Demonstrate that any of that is true.

It was a first offence though.

@@hicmad Only the first murder, not the second.

@@hicmad first offense of murder… should they wait until the second, third, or fourth person he kills?

She has and still does

The Fijian culture was brutal before colonialism - including cannibalism. A crime is a crime is a crime.

That has nothing to do with this murder of two innocent people.

Yes it did absolutely!!!👍🏻😔

As if the entire world was one big family before colonialism . more liberal Hubris

That is an argument for having no legal system, no judges, no prisons. EDIT. If you’re going to bring the Bible into it, yes the Bible is against murder and it is also against homosexuality.

Yup and some people forget that God knows it's the flesh that sins, not the soul that is converted when we get saved. Therefore God still loves the person even though he doesn't like the behavior.

@@Woodman-Spare-that-tree so who said he should kill them???? Thing is peoplemake religion be the reason why they judge and kill others yet they forget they are human and sinners

You could take that verse as a right to kill but then thy shall not kill also is said. Yes God is the one to judge but you must judge also or ye shall be judged for not judging but it has to be righteous. God only cares about what in your heart.

The OLd Testament is Not Christianity , Christianity is IN .. Only Mathew,Mark and Luke and John . I believe ..

He was killed because he was a pedophile

Yes, S M, I was struck by the strength & bravery with which John's brother gave the eulogy. He did not waver. I am impressed, inspired & amazed. If it had been my brother, I would not have been able to stop the flow of tears.

@@twistoffate4791 I lost my second son almost five years ago. I was a mess until his funeral. I had written a poem to honour him and to do justice to who he was more than what he did. I was so calm when I read it, I was strong and spoke clearly and with pride and love. I did it for him, to show my love. To be honoured. It’s amazing what you can do at such a time.

@@sm3296 I am SO SORRY to read of the loss of your son. I don't know how you have held up since, but it must be a part of the same inner strength that fueled the calm you had when you spoke at his service. Peace be with you.

@@twistoffate4791 thank you for your kind words, its been a difficult time for sure, I have a new granddaughter who is everything to me. This has helped me so much. Have a lovely day and stay well. 😊

The bible also clearly states that if a man lies with another man, he should be killed! There are so many evil verses in the bible that inspire people to do evil to others..... slavery inspired by the bible .... raping of slaves= inspired by bible..... killing of ist born children= inspired bible..... stoning adulterous women = bible (just to mention a few)..... and your Jesus wasn't all about love *Matthew 10vs34 says it all . Why are you making excuses for the evil context of the bible that has inspired so many people to bring miserly on others? TAKE AWAY THE BIBLE AND JOHN AND GREG WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN MURDERED! he was found NOT GUILTY by reasons of insanity (atleast this part is true) the bible makes people insane , so does the Quran and many other related religious doctrines. If you friend carry that book, and believe in its words, then yare equally INSANE!!!

@@cynthia87918 l agree with you 100% religion was and still is a tool to control, manipulate and exploit people.l hope people wake up eventually!

@@siakatsoli2911 thanks mate. ... amazing how some humans choose to be slaves in this day n age

@@cynthia87918 Jesus is your savior you are thoroughly confused and missrepresenting the bible.. hope you find Jesus before you die

@@gravegirl the original Hebrew text said man shall not lie with boy. It didn't mean homosexuality is a sin, it says pedophilia is a sin. People following the Bible are living their life based off an ancient game of "telephone" that was perverted over and over by terrible people who wanted to have a scapegoat for their bad behavior

Wow really ... it's amazing how stupidly narrow-minded people can become ... yeah for sure Lord this individual needs your help ... what comes out your mouth applies to you first ... it's a bible principle ... treat others the way you want to be treated ... view others the way you want to be viewed ... free speech no worries there ... but to suggest Apete father seemed proud of his son actions ... "disturbed ramblings of a disturbed mind on your part" ... look I do apologize if it (seems like) I'm over reacting here ... we hope you don't find yourself in a similar situation ... I just cannot fathom a Christian father to be proud of his son ... hacking and beheading these two individuals to death ... even if Apetee father himself knew that his son seems to think it was justified ... The fact that he (the father) mentioned Apetee asked for forgiveness to me ... clearly suggest otherwise ... that he understood his sons action cannot be justified without asking God for forgiveness ... no-doubt Apete is guilty of murder guilty of insanity... guilty of his own shame ... sexually groomed into a corner of his own making ... an eye for an eye ... the embarrassment of being cornered pinned down with an option of which he regretted ... that's what I believe in viewing this ... and decided to be the vengeful angel of death ... to protect himself and others ... don't want to be officially tagged as a homosexual ... wanting again to be a figure of influence to be known as a good man ... as his father was and grandfather ... good honest Christian men ... they where all victims of this tragedy ... Apete knew he did wrong ... but firmly believed he was guided by God in justifying it ... the question is did God forgive him ... despite the guilt despite the insanity ... he seems to believe so ... and I believe God accepted his request ... as an observation ... tell me how can God deny it ... if it's real repentance ... even though he believed his actions were justified ... mercy is above the law ... We know those who are not accustomed with religious matters ... will see this as insanely delusional ... and it is ... but this is how God works ... in putting a stop too it ... in going any further where it concerns Apete personally ... for any Christian who is a follower of Christ!!! Paul does teach our sins of the past are dealt with ... when repented of ... Apete family i'm sure where caught by surprise ... few years later a documentary ... we are told to let go of the past and press ahead as Christians forgetting the past ... mainly the emotional trauma of the experience ... and the best way is to forgive and ask for forgiveness it's bible instructions that helps us to move on to carry on ... God is unable to forgive those who cannot forgive themselves and others ... unwilling to overlook a justified position where there is potential for peace and harmony with everyone involved and ourselves of course ... Apete family I grantee you were very much reluctant to be part of the documentary at first ... in wanting to review the past again ... many Christian Polynesian families are like this regardless of how big the problem is ... why do you want to bring up the pass ... I'm sure they went ahead with it ... despite being caught of balance after allot of prayers ... however the documentary itself ... was a true gem as you said ... for it helped me specially as a Christian ... to better see this horrendously sad story from every angle possible ... Maranatha!!!

@@andystevens3059 that doesn't mean God condones any sin..

​@@italiantraditionalcatholic2390 ... any sin ... what does justification by faith mean with you ... you cannot separate Law from Grace it works together not against each other ... (ONLY" ... if the individual repent in confessing his sins ... ... as a Roman Catholic ... me being a Protestant ... same bible ... however different foundation (interpretation) ... different methods of (dealing with repentance) ... yes no doubt God does not condone any sin ... 10 commandments very clear ... thou shalt not kill ... we believe in the same principle different methods of dealing with it ... Apetee =(under Civil law) ... still falls under God's jurisdiction ... the Fiji Islands and most Pacific Islands are Christian nations part of the Commonwealth ... ... "The Court finds the Accused Apete Bauleka Vakananumi Kaisau (not guilty) of murder by reasons of insanity " = 1: 07min ... he got off easy ... to many minds (voices) in his head ... he knew what he was planning to do was wrong ... ... "The Minister speaking - 'he (Apete) said it was the voice of God ... but there are many voices talking to us every day Apetee was not able to discern which voice and he took that ... the logical aspect of ... from the old testament and if somebody was behaving this way he need to be done away with = 1: 05min ... ... Obviously God cannot contradict His own words ... His own Laws ... nor does he condone it ... for this is where the part of "INSANITY COMES IN" ... Apete realized under the NT teaching of Christ (His blood his sacrifice covers ours sins) he will not be cleared or justified of (HIS ACTIONS) ... as a professed follower of Christ ... ... but under the OT Laws he could he believes = a blood sacrifice is required ... in his (own mind) Apete believed he did the right thing according to the voice of (god) ... with a little g ... which god ... Question: Apete did ask for forgiveness ... but did he (repent) ... why would he (repent) if he believed he did the right think ... Question: Do you think God will forgive him ... as we said (only if his repentance is real) ... did he repent ... why would he ... he made himself clear with everyone his position ... Maranatha!!! Ps: I believe we may have some how arrived to the same conclusion ...

One of the most amazing comments I have ever read on KZfaq!!

I've always said.. my religion is "Be a Moral Citizen "... just have morals.. 👍 I agree with you, reminded me of my religion, figuratively speaking ✔

What his lying brother did create this documentary

I absolutely agree with you. May they both Rest In Peace. Amen.

So so sad for both side of the family.

yep...it is thought provoking

....just over a century later......

My sentiments exactly! And the BG music gave me chills of nostalgia!

Agree

@@iamwatshhhh330 ⁷⁷8⁷Ryu

@Marten Dekker The vast majority of Christians understand that.

The Book of Isaiah reminding us that GOD is still the FATHER and JESUS CHRIST is his SON

As do most christians

@@lauranntinialevi8582 how about less murder, that's easier

Exactly what my thoughts were

Bc they believed it was the right thing to do.

... the only thing wrong here is your stupidity ... a documentary filmed a few years later ... after the court case ... you must of missed the part where this was the second time the two families came together ... as in believing both families have already crossed that threshold ...

@@texasktea ... wait a minute ... what was the right thing to do ... and who is they ... in regards to what ... seriously ... hold on there Texas the jokes on you ... there are people out there who believe this crap ... unfortunately ahhh well ...

Yeh i was a bit disconcerted when she (the mum) met him (the brother) for the first time since the court and said how great it was etc but just posed for the camera rather than look into the face of the man whose brother was killed by her son

@@ruthycantfail ... yeah leave the family out of this ... their son's crime his crime had nothing to do with the family ... the son is 100% guilty of allowing himself to be groomed by these two men ... and he just couldn't bear the shame of living with that guilt of being groomed ... not happy he used the bible as a excuse ... believing it was the voice of God ... who gave him the authority to do it ... as a Christian myself that is absolutely ridiculous ... the bible says "thou shall not kill ... the minister said to him ... which voice ... the son was just as guilty of allowing himself to participate in the act ... he deserved to do (time) for his crime ...

Spellbinding is one word.

@@alext8020 Not in proper British English, dearie!

What vile music

What vile music

@@lynngronnow7892 what a vile comment.

Not so. One man committed the murder. I disapprove of things too, but simply avoid association with people who embrace a lifestyle to which I am opposed. In my mind, it is not my place to interfere. It seems most people approach conflict in this way - not with murder. I would warn my children if I had them to avoid decadence, but recognize that in the end they would make choices. If I was a religious leader, I'd quote scripture - while emphasizing that the choice is not up to me, but to the church member.

@zempath Let's be tolerant... many of them are sick, we have to help, not to kill (the antisocial ones)

The English grandfather brought the christianity that partially drove the man mad enough to kill

Scott... U mean John?

@@BONNYRIGG what’s your point?

How you can use the words "respect" and "tolerance" to describe colonials is beyond my understanding

@@elisavet6348 He "cherishes" his colonial masters that says a lot. I think this documentary was white washed.

You just mean upper class that's all.

@Will G No, just people who went to school and learned how to spell. Unless of course you meant 'we are wealthy!'

@Leona Goro Man I was poor, my family was poor and yet me and little brother went to college so cut the "unfortunate" crap. You couldn't get it because you can't spell.

@Leona Goro oh well, then I guess me and my sister were sooo fortunate since we both graduated university.

He was/is a close homosexual and that’s why he did this. In my experience it’s always the homophob’s who are the gayest ones. I’ve literally seen it with my own eyes.

He was attracted to men.

I feel like they must have made him do something he later regretted a nd started hating them

@@londoner9934 lmao you seem like you're homosexual as well. No. Nobody can make you do something like that if you don't want to really do it yourself

@Lorraine Fryer Can you say "Catholic"? I was raised in that "faith", what a CROCK!!!

If you’ve read The Bible you’ll know that it says “thou shalt not kill” and “thou shalt not murder” in different parts of The Bible. The Bible was written by for example Jesus hence the differing interpretations of what’s acceptable. It’s acceptable to kill in self defence and you have a partial defence if you’re provoked, you’re insane or suffering from diminished responsibility. However, it’s never acceptable to murder in cold blood.

I meant to say The Bible wasn’t written by Jesus for example hence why there are differing interpretations of what’s acceptable. Some say it’s never acceptable to kill but if you’re acting in self defence it’s not murder so it is acceptable to kill.

He acted upon the alleged 'god's words.... take away the bible and its foolish instructions from a 'god', John and greg would still be alive..... STOP MAKING EXCUSES!

God was also wrongly used to justify colonialism, but who cares about that.

I’ll be going to the library for the book you recommend. I feel horrible about how this has turned out. There are no winners here....... you are absolutely correct.

Any time there is an act of violence like this, two families are destroyed. Families that are more alike than different.

KoiNadi aqq

Annabelle Rankin agreed

@L C you speak like a right wing buffoon with all the buzzwords.

@@AA-ek5kz 😂

Imrana was originally named Patricia.

Why say God bless Greg and John? Isn't God the reason they were killed?

@@gloriaf6971 No, their killer had nothing to do with God or Christianity - only a warped version of them.

@@glamdolly30 God and Christianity are warped. Nothing good or necessary about either one. No one needs a God or a religion that says to kill homosexual people.

As there is no evidence that your God exists humans have had to look after the justice system and will continue to do so.

@Heather Fellows Christ gave the Great Cmmision to "go forth and teach all nations" Christianity is to be like Jesus , show others his teaching in love. Judgement belongs to God, murder is not Christianity!

@@lilnoni671 I never said murder was anything. Yes murder is wrong but so is shoving YOUR religion down other people's throats!

@@lilnoni671 yes maybe Jesus and Christ did not teach murder but the people who categorized themselves as christian did this. Allot. If you read about the history of Christianity, they did not "preach" their intentions, they "force" their beliefs in others. Many died yet the Vatican didn't even acknowledge it. Seriously Christianity and ISIS is very similar except ISIS is very vulgar about their intentions and Christianity isn't.

@@lilnoni671 teach? Indoctrinate.

Totally agree. How arrogant it is to assume other people need your beliefs forced upon them. Stay away from me so called 'christians'.

and the abominations too! :)

Thank you Nina for mentioning that part of the documentary. It really stood out for me. The murders were evil, but the majority of the comments here appear to see nothing wrong with the evils of colonialism, just the murders of people who look like them. I scrolled down the comment section to see if one person would bring your point up and felt a bit of satisfaction that at least one person felt as I do.

@@TheDarkDresser of course they ignore that part.

Just as tgey did in the earlier times of the United States, ask the Indians. Oh, wait we can't.

Very true, just like god the murderer of innocent people

And especially over something so harmless too...

An interesting set of words lol. People have used all of them as reasons to kill and injure each other.

The grandfather was NOT at fault. He had been highly respected. Somewhere his own son went wrong and did not live according to Gods plan for us. This no doubt affected his sons. And his first wife. John made his own choices. We do not know what they were. We do not know how John and Greg treated Apete. We do not know how this affected Apete. It’s unfortunate he ever worked for them. He might have had to much to bear for a fragile mind. And believe me wherever you find a group of true Godly people you will find Satan will do all he can to destroy,,, including the memory of his grandfather. The ones involved in this documentary FORGAVE that is obvious. There is more to this story than you or I know. This story’s message is TO FORGIVE. If you forgive a little,you will have a little peace,If you FORGIVE totally and leave the matter with God you will find PEACE. If only more of us could learn to do that. Cynicism,David, creates bitterness.

Amen

that is a metaphor...not a literal "sword"...Jesus meant that his teachings would outrage the Pharisees and the Jewish establishment and led to hatred against him and his followers.

and indeed...violence did erupt against Jesus and his followers...by both Romans and Jewish leaders...

Fiona Cahill, I fully appreciate the way you stated sentiments of home, for better or worse. Without that, if the sorrow of a tragedy is too much to bear, the floating without the anchor is unsettling.

@@twistoffate4791 Thank you, and yes I believe we all need to feel tethered to a place or person that is home for us. The big world gets cold & unfriendly at times & its good to know we have a safe place, even if its in our memories. 💚

I am more than sure that Fiji and its present society is forever galled and spoiled for him...

Wouldn't kill you to be cautious

dude just install an adblocker

Better yet cast it to your tv and no ads pop up

False premise!

True premise

The way they glossed over that really pissed me off

How do you know the young women involved were impoverished? Please do not think that indigenous people are “ poor” by your own standards of what that word. means. As for glossing over that part of this story, as some viewer put it:, about “ illegitimate” children, that simp,y was not done with disrespect in my opinion.. The documentary was clearly faithful to the MAIN characters . To have lots of sub plots and extraneous characters, as it were, would make the tale .endless! I happen to be British born and raised.Living in the United States since I was a young adult. Like the characters in this documentary, my own history is knitted together between two nations. In my case, the United Kingdom and the United States. Both have my heart. Both nations are my home. If I were to write my biography, the cast of characters would include only those most central to my life story and development. But I would not have tine , or space, to include every far reaching individual I rubbed shoulders with, or those whom had a relationship with one of my ancestors. My humble opinion!

Religion is mental illness.

Add a low IQ to the mix as well

@@patrickraftery1815 hatred of religion or someone’s beliefs is a mental illness

Greg's Mom buried him in her back yard, you see, they were like, really close. I'm pretty sure they weren't wearing rings or married so like don't get your finger caught up in dental floss more than a minute(you might lose a digit)

They had had their own religion.... But had had Christianity forced on to them

... I believe he was sexually groomed into a position of guilt and shame ... he was a victim of his own guilt and shame ... (guilty of murder as well) ... and for not following bible instructions when dealing with our sins ... very sad for both families ... somewhat appalling some negative comments towards his parents ... who have absolutely no bearing on the situation ... his mother was simply explaining how Apete viewed his position ... not obligated to show remorse or to reach out for forgiveness for the sake of their son ... a few years have passed by between the families I'm sure that was resolved back then ... they are not on trial ... he decided to take matters into his own hands that's the issue ... whose voice was guiding him ... your right he thought this would absolve him of his demons ... he no doubt asked God to forgive him for it ... I wonder if it achieved the goal Apete was looking for ... Fijian natives despite being a more conservative community is no saint when it comes to promiscuity ... as with every country ... homosexuality is less tolerant but tolerated ... and obviously frowned upon ... as with most countries ... but here a few small islands in the Pacific ... it seems to me that Apete because of his guilt ... had decided to become the vengeful angel of death ... in keeping everything in check ... it would seem that way ... as I believe how he saw it ... he needed to protect himself ... he needed to protect others ... sadly a blood sacrifice that needed (not) to be made ... as he saw it ... for vengeance is mine saith the Lord!!!

I think John and Greg sexually assaulted Apete from a young age and he took revenge. Plain and simple... and totally understandable !

@Houston Vissage. That was the first thing I thought when I heard what he said about the bible. I wondered if he questioned his sexuality?

@@jasminejones9937 absolutely. It was hinted at in not so subtle ways throughout the documentary. I came away thinking what is left unsaid in the documentary actually screamed loudest. The 'risque parties', which sounded more like orgies, and taking advantage of the poverty of the teenagers (Apete was practically a teen when he started hanging out with John and Greg, who came across as paedophiles) and grooming them in order to exploit them sexually in 'threesomes', then discarding them when they were no longer useful to them, as happened to Apete. His animosity was triggered when he saw John on TV, and all the pent-up hatred and shame he kept hidden surfaced like a tsunami and it overwhelmed him. The documentary was all the more remarkable because Owen, John's brother, participated in this narrative.

The same way white politicians use systematic racism to kill black people in the past and the present and claim they believe in God but in their works are not.

Totally agreed. Too many singing(not irrelevant )

haven't seen even a single ad... i do love my add-blocker!

@Inge Posch . Which one of them all?

Why don’t you? That doesn’t change what happened anyway. Besides, one could argue the colonizers religion they brought over in the 1800’s killed him.

They are casting colonizers in a very positive light. A little longer and the British would have colonized the entire planet. So much blood on their hands!

I felt that too.. i think at some point, it was mentioned, and I am paraphrasing, that the native Fijians liked being colonised?! Maybe I misheard. Still, it's a tragedy what happened to the two men.

@Floyd1504 historians are not magically immune to propaganda or misinformation. also whether or not the beitish were comparitovely kind colonial masters doesn't change the harm colonialism does.

@Floyd1504 oh please, spare us the propaganda. If you really are a historian you're a crappy one. And this is coming from someone who has an art history degree.

Thank you for the update. I agree; Apete is a danger and should remain locked up. Actually, he should not have been acquitted.

hahaha that should be a new series on ID, "Fuckbuddies gone wrong!!!" hahah

i was laughing hard too at this. he said with no rumors lol

except that literally every war the US has ever entered had ulterior monetary and economic motives

that apete character was possessed by the devil!

...and deserve to burn in hell......a life sentence or death penalty

1HitWonder - I think many of us feel this way about Apete too. What a sad ending to all those men's lives.

Not only religion: greed, competition, power struggles, expansionism (of any kind), bitter pain, vengeance and righteous indignation which can emerge from any creed, including political allegiance. Lots of violence happens with religion absent.

Ignorance is simply the lack of knowledge

Yess nice song

Sarcasm so rich no need for a sarcastica font.

Pay for KZfaq Red and you won’t see any commercials.

just install the free adblocker, not that hard

@@PapayaStyle why??i like ads.like i said put 500 more nkt.

PapayaStyle I have Adblock , but it doesn’t stop all ads from still showing

What was your experience of Fiji like?

@@maticbukovac6966 It is 50-50 I would day ..100 points to the location, place, Pacific Ocean ..but negative points for the people when you stay for a long term ..u could be robbed or mugged, etc. People not so great, I would say. Fiji Indians and Fiji natives do hold grudges for each other & politicians use these to further the divide to get votes. But it's not a burning issue, as such. Educated class have learned to live together. But it depends how long you stay there and what's ur biz there.