Max: Thanks so much for your kind words! 😊 Tim

RID is just not that big of a deal. Tim

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Which is precisely the reason all modelers need to support the AMA, and any other other credible national organization representing modeler interests. General aviation does this full time with EAA and AOPA (lawyers, lobbyists, etc.). For certain include the major airlines . . . there is a reason United and Delta has Washington offices. Any pilot these days is basically suicidal if they do not have meaningful representation in Washington DC with all the new regulations waiting to be written these days. You get what you negotiate. Tim

@@TimMcKay56 Sorry Tim, I know we'll disagree on this, but although I think the AMA has done its best to protect the rights of AMA members they have done a very poor job of protecting the hobby. The hobby is much larger than simply AMA members these days and many people would get zero benefit from being an AMA member. I also recall watching Rich Hansen sleep through a very important Zoom conference where he was supposed to be the hobby's representative in front of fierce opposition from the likes of the CDA. He didn't say a word and the hobby suffered as a result. I also cant' count the number of times I've heard the AMA say "we're working *with* the FAA" and then discover that the've been shafted again such that members rights and freedoms are further curtailed. The AMA has not done a satisfactory job of protecting the hobby -- or we would not now all be required to sign an offender's list (registration) and fit ankle-bracelets to our RC models. Nor would we have to accept that a scratch-built RC model of a P51D Mustang is a "drone". The AMA should have stood firm on demanding a distinction between a DJI Mavic and the traditional hobby -- but they didn't. That in and of itself is an epic fail. In 2015, even the Commercial Drone Alliance acknowledged that the traditional hobby hasn't changed -- so why are we being treated as if we're all flying computer-assisted multirotors with GPS and hi-resolution cameras? Totally unacceptable -- that distinction should have been where the AMA stood its ground -- but they didn't. They sold out on the promise of "special privilege" for members -- in the form of FRIAs. Bought off like a cheap hooker I'm afraid.

@@xjet Count your lucky stars, I guess, that you do not have to negotiate these complex, thorny, constantly changing, difficult issues in the real world. Lots of equities when dealing with various users of the National Airspace System (military, commercial, Space X, ultralights, parachutists, general aviation, balloons . . . the list goes on). It is just common sense that not everyone can get exactly what they wish in these discussions. Compromises, sometimes painful, as the only way ahead. Certainly a lot easier to be a keyboard warrior! Tim 😁😳

@@gordonmckay4523 I'm far from "a keyboard warrior" Tim. I've been at the coalface of standing up for rights and freedoms for much of my life and it has given me tremendous insight into the ways of bureaucrats, regulators and politicians. Much of this was long before the internet was even a thing. I've seen and understand how they work, which is why it saddens me that the AMA's approach shows so much naivety -- to the cost of the hobby.

FAA is only authorized to regulate "navigable" airspace. My backyard is not navigable and neither is the park. The whole idea of regulating and criminalizing RC use is insane. 107 wasn't bad enough to drive off the masses so the FAA will continue to invent new regulation until only Amazon will be allowed to fly in your backyard.

This is the deal: The FAA was going to start writing regs for ultralights in 1980, and it was not going to be pretty. Ultralight community organized, met with FAA and said in effect if you write minimal regs for us we will not cause trouble (violating controlled airspace, etc.). And they kept their end of the bargain. Drones not so much with around 1,500 violations a year. Hence RID. Tim

I see you've been watching Xjet videos. First it is very easy to figure out who is operating an ultralight (the purpose of RID), just be there when they land. Second there is an entire section of the Federal Aviation Regulations that pertains to ultralights (Part 103) that is as restrictive as Part 107. Finally, ultralights must use radios and transponders when and if they operate in airspace that require there use.

@@747Max Exactly! The FAA has been doing this a while, as you point out. TBH I really do not watch Xjet videos, too exhausting. But, he reaches out to me so happy to respond. 😊. All good! Tim

Drones are difficult to see, due to their small size. Not the case with full scale manned aircraft. Tim

​@@TimMcKay56all DJI drones, the most popular brand in commercial drones, have aircraft lights and are visible from a good distance day or night. What lights do the ultralights have? We don't know because they don't have to register or passed an aircraft inspection by the FAA. What sounds more dangerous to you, Tim? 500 lbs of invisible manned ultralights or a 400g fixed wing drone?

@@shadowofchaosfpv4683 Ultralights cannot fly at night.

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You hit it on the head Tim. There is a FRIA club near where I live and you have to be an AMA member plus pay monthly dues. It's all politics to us, so we don't even mess with them. The small group of RC pilots I'm with fly both helicopters and fix wing have many years of experience (100 years plus). The cost we invested is in the 1,000's of $$$$$$. We are all late middle age and senior citizens are homeowners with land and have the resources to fly independently. The FAA has every right in keeping the sky clear and safe of those (drone operators I don't even call pilots), we get that. Real RC pilots follow the rules to the letter for operating our aircraft in a professional and safe manner, none of us are AMA members. FAA don't put us in the same category as those who have abuse this fine and fun hobby.

I don't think it's the evil AMA as much as it is the evil FAA. There are Washington lobbyists pushing for drone-this and drone-that and want the airspace for themselves without pesky hobbyists screwing up their profit potential. So someone raised "safety concerns" to the FAA, and they responded the same way they responded when airlines blamed general aviation for their safety problems: They made it too expensive for normal people to fly Cessnas through regulation and avionics requirements. Now they are doing the same thing to model aviation. I think if they could license 1/8" flat rubber for my Sleek Streek, they would.

The USG, to include the FAA, sees merit working with Community Based Organizations. They have knowledge of what their members are doing, usually follow some sort of code, etc. And folks just gotta keep in mind the AMA is the only organization/lobby group working on our side in these critical Washington meetings. Without their involvement, RC pilots would be road kill. Tim

I,ve always said ama is useless ,when my homeowners covers me first , damn ama,plus they staggered there 12 month membership so its a pain in the ass to keep up with who,s current and who is not,already our club has had problems cause of this,and getting cussed out because of asking someone if they are current or not.when ama was from jan to jan it was easy to keep up with.not now.....

AMA sold everyone out including the AMA memberships. Lots of clubs are getting denied and the AMA has nothing to add but resubmit applications. AMA is a footstool to the FAA and commercial lobbyists fighting for airspace. FTCA is a FREE community based organization that focuses on the HOBBY, not the politics or memberships. I'll never waste my time or money on the AMA ever again. Pay to fly at a AMA field is how you kill a hobby or group. Just ask the Oddfellows. Oh, you can't. They don't exist anymore.

Steven: I hear you. But there are over 1,500 flights a year of drones in controlled airspace, where they should not be. To know who is flying where, the RID rule is for all aircraft, essentially, not in a FRIA. Tim

400' altitude is a killer for sailplanes. A normal launch height from a highstart or winch used to be around 500'. I hear that if your have a contest and get permission your can fly higher. If a person is just out flying or practicing staying for the fun of it having to stay under 400' is a buzz kill. Ive been in the hobby since 1979 and have never heard of a problem.

@@koolpix4u Agree. Only issue is controlled airspace. If no controlled airspace, hopefully AMA can work higher altitudes. Tim

@@koolpix4u the thing is, unless you live next to a lot of people, one can just... fly past 400 and no one stops you lol. I'm out in the middle of nowhere flying for like 30 minutes, no cops are gunna come and yell at you for being slightly too high, the FAA will never know. It's only a big deal if you fly at a flying field with other fliers

@@MrKyle700 our field is in a city park. We actually have a runway built by the city parks department. The park has 3 buildings none of which we fly over and a few roads. There is no soccer, no football no playground only a x-country event once every so often. It’s most a place to walk your dog. Our city has even designated our area as a RC electric only flying field and yet the FAA denied our FRIA over safety concerns. But then what’s really crazy and I have confirmed with the AMA we can still fly at the same place if we have remote ID. It’s got nothing to do with safety is my opinion.

Depends on the field! Ours is in the middle of nowhere. Tim

RC models (drones mainly) are a concern due to airspace violations, around 1,500 a year. One of these could get your license pulled if a full scale pilot. Ultralight do identify because they are very easy to see, fly slow and low and operate out of airports. These Part 103 pilots by and large follow the rules, as the FAA has said clearly they will shut them down via regulation if they do not follow Part 103. Tim

@@TimMcKay56 Most ultralights fly as paragliders and hang gliders off of mountains, towing (outside of airports), or as paramotors. So I would not say they are mostly operating out of airports. They can fly in some very remote locations with "hike and flys" etc. They can fly extremely high and do so quite often. Going to 10 000' or 15 000' is not unusual. Some hang glider pilots fly at over 100kms/hr. So these AC are bigger, faster than most drones, and have human occupants. I would hazard to guess most of those 1500 incursions are from drones and not RC plane or helicopter pilots. My point being that the definition of these types of AC should be different. I agree that pilots still have to fly safely so there is no excuse for those incursions. I don't see RID helping in this regard. Education is a more effective tool. A midair between a full sized AC and an ultra light is disastrous. The very few midairs with drones have not yet been disastrous. I get that they can be but it is extremely rare. The reduction in consequences substantially reduces the risk of UAVs compared to Ultra-lights. All the mid-airs collisions that I am aware of with UAVs have been by government controlled drones (e.g. the Bonneville accident in Ontario, Canada). That is because government controlled UAVs are more likely to be near traffic which hobbyists (and even most Part 107 pilots) are better able to avoid all together. The point being is that the education of hobbyists is working and are at less risk than other forms of aviation. Those other riskier forms of aviation have fewer restrictions which doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

@@yodaiam1000 Read the UAS Sightings Report. They are all drones, in controlled airspace without a clearance. Tim

@@gordonmckay4523 I am not saying it is okay to fly RC planes or drones next to airports. That is a rule that makes sense. I would also say RID on RC planes isn't going to change the rate of those occurrences. It makes more sense to have the rules give a seperate definition for RC planes/helicopters and drones. The end rules need to be different for the different types of AC. That would make more sense. Drones pose a different risk than RC planes. I am also saying that there is far greater risk from other forms of aviation that have fewer and less restrictive rules than RC planes which doesn't make much sense to me. If this is a question of safety, then isn't there an issue with the other forms of aviation? I am not saying hang gliding and paragliding need more rules. I am saying the rules centred around RC planes don't make sense.

Recreational RC is doing fine, not going away. Tim

Don't worry about drone delivery. The FAA and drone companies still haven't solved the bird strike issue. Drones will fall from the sky from bird strikes and cost thousands of dollars for every failed flight because everyone will sue the delivery companies for property damage. Or steal the goods from the drone like they are doing in California with the ground drones. Australia and New Zealand's drone delivery systems failed miserably because of birds and trees.

@@TimMcKay56 As a counterpoint everyone here is either new or has decided to suck up to the FAA. I, like many others, left the hobby with the 107 nonsense since it was clear that their intent was to kill off the hobby by pricing and/or regulating people out. How much nonsense has the hobby put up with in the last 8 years... how much of it has made an iota of difference in overall safety? I come back and watch a few videos to see about getting back into the hobby after 8 years. So far it looks like the doomers have been spot on and the FAA is not slowing down, if anything they are just getting started. Maybe I should just get an ultralight since it would be less hassle.

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Really good question 👍🏽 Kinda similar to being allowed to photograph anything in public.

I think restrictions that are in place still apply like some city parks don't allow or state and national parks don't allow flight I believe the rid is separate

Joe: A very good question. The FAA controls aircraft movement in the National Airspace System. This includes unmanned RC aircraft. Per the RID rule, after March 16, 2024 any civilian (i.e. non USG person) flying an RC airplane/drone/helo needs RID to fly, with the exception of models under 250 grams flown recreationally and pilots flying in a FRIA. Where it gets more complicated, and these legal issues are still being worked out, is that certain areas/local governments can still restrict drone/RC plane operations. For example,, the US National Park Service flat prohibits all drone flights in National Parks. Tim

RID is a national regulation. Any county or town can still institute an ordinance that bans any type of activity. I bet if you look it up though, it was in fact never banned and your friend was just getting harassed by some rando cop

​@@MrKyle700not in Michigan. Michigan passed a state law that says the federal FAA laws rule over the airspace. So local ordinances in Michigan are illegal in both the federal and state laws on the books. There are 3 exceptions but each was passed by the state to get the ban. U of M is one of them.

Darren: Thanks for your input! Regarding insurance, I guess it depends on the carrier. But AMA is crystal clear that AMA insurance is not contingent on Remote ID installation or use. Tim

“Rules”? 🤣🤣🤣

I think your thoughts are very honorable. As a fixed wing, rotary wing, and drone operator I do not like them being all lumped together either. I really don’t see the need for AMA flying field flyers to need to register or have remote ID. These clubs have been operating for nearly a century if not more just fine and self police themselves. I personally don’t feel drones themselves are completely the issue either. At least not completely. I think the larger problem that really brings this to the table is the mass availability at department stores that is the problem. It brings unguided, uninformed people into this all and doing whatever their control link allows them to do. They should have been limited to begin with when they started to sell in department stores. People that have been in the hobby or whom have been introduced to the hobby by hobbyist generally follow a basic set of guidelines and principles.

@@justplanefred We'll get through this. For full scale pilots, regulations are simply a way of life. For a lot of RC pilots, regs are the end of the world. There is a middle ground somewhere! Tim

@@TimMcKay56 Now is that AMA insurance just for recreational flying? What happens if I'm flying under part 107? From what I looked at, the AMA insurance is only for people flying under the 44809 recreational exemption. I'm more talking about anyone flying under part 107.

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100% true. RID is tied to drone registration. Per the FAA, no unmanned aircraft less than 250 grams and used for recreational flight needs to be registered, thus no need for RID for these smaller models. Tim

I asked the AMA and was told you can keep flying the way you used to as long as you’re under the 250g

​@koolpix4u you are good to fly anywhere in Class G airspace with a sub 250g craft recreationally. Have fun!

@@shadowofchaosfpv4683 Correct.

@@koolpix4umaybe that has become part of the AMA’s own rules for flying at an AMA field. Plus the FAA didnt really announce their delay in enforcement until a few days prior to it going into effect. I also suspect some club presidents not wanting to rock the boat with possible noncompliance if the application for their field is still pending

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Same impression here Tim - not ideal.

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RID is just not that much of a big deal.

My slope soarers don't have nearly enough space for a RID module. There's only one FRIA on the map for the entire SF bay area and it's a park in the middle of town. The type of FPV I used to do won't be a thing until amateur BVLOS is legal which seems unlikely to ever happen.

Glad it was helpful!

Agreed, range should be at least 2500-5k ft. I’ll submit your suggestion on the FAA web site 👍🏽

I really have no idea how RID will work with these limited broadcast ranges. The meet the FAA's Means of Compliance, so I guess we will find out soon! Tim

The shorter range the better. The less the Karen's and FAA-friendly data collection lackeys of the world see the better.

This is just for them to get set up to take further control in future. They will soon require you to be licenced as a pilot so they can pull that cert if you fail to comply with their orders. @@jasonhurdlow6607

FAA is soliciting bids for companies to collect and aggregate the data, I don't doubt they have ways of doing it at much longer ranges since that will depend primarily on antenna design. Heck, starlink is going to demonstrate network connectivity with unmodified cell phones soon. This is going to be a cat and mouse for years, they will roll out additional regulations and make all the less powerful units obsolete and force hobbyists to buy new modules, and then one for each device, and then you will need to link your personal information with each RID unit. If you have a single issue with Karen they are going to pull your 107 permission and you won't be able to fly.

Thank you so much 😁

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You are correct! FAA wants compliance, but simply no enforcement until Mar 16, 2024. Tim

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It is ridiculous that the FAA would require a "drone" operator to employ RID to inspect the rain gutters on their own home. Government overreach, pure and simple.

Larry: Awesome, many thanks!! Tim

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@@TimMcKay56 Could you explain "Oops" in your professional opinion? Is Class G Airspace going to be a default denial for policing ones' backyard at 20' and below?

If I’m you, non-compliance would be my go-to flight plan!

@@icin4dthat is interesting as class G airspace is Uncontrolled airspace. Probably their default answer hoping nobody would even bat an eye at it.

Russell: This is one, single regulation. Are you possibly overreacting a bit? Tim

You're not wrong. I saw the writing on the wall when they came out with section 107. Came back recently to watch some videos to see if I wanted to get back into the hobby and I find that the "overrating doomers" were spot on 8 years ago. Until the courts put the FAA in their place you can expect a never-ending parade of regulations which will slowly price or frustrate you out of the hobby.

Thanks, will try! Tim

Charlene: Your valid questions best answered by a lawyer. Stay safe! Tim

Whatever. Anyone who purchased a drone after Dec 22, 2022 is compliant as Standard RID is installed. But no FAA enforcement until March 16, 2024. Tim

Lots more to learn! Tim

All law enforce needs to enter your property is reasonable suspicion or at most, probable cause. FAA detects a drone illegally flying, that lands on your property, that is enough cause to enter your property and ask questions. To enter your residence, or conduct a search of your property would indeed require a warrant

You also have the right to remain silent and not aid the police or FAA in any investigation. If asked by police or FAA official, say I don't answer questions. And all questions must go through my lawyer.

Actually, the non-compliance with RID is the ONLY way to keep your freedom intact.

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Interesting. But I guess the more relevant point is why anyone would use 72 MHz. 😊🙈🙀 Tim

None that I know of. Tim

If they put such restrictions, it would be because they are paranoid about 💥s ... 😅.

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Clubs have nothing to do with RID. That is an FAA regulation, coming into effect on March 16, 2024. Clubs are clubs. If members do not comply with RID, no role for the club. Tim

@@TimMcKay56 so we "think" that if the AMA does not adopt RID as part of its Charter, the FAA will not lean into them to do so and or even cause the AMA to loose their ability to negotiate with the FAA on our behalf? The FAA expects people of the public with the app to report problems. They are providing access and training to the local LEOs to investigate, but you don't think once this is established, the FAA won't expect COBs to also be their police force?

@@CentralPaRcFlyingDays Not at all. The AMA, like other pilot groups (AOPA, EAA, ALPA, etc.) simply follow FAA regulations. AMA does not "mandate" RID for members (lots of AMA members fly indoors, control line, free flight, etc., none of which need RID), that is a USG function. Tim

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I live in a small west TX. town with 1 small municipal airport 45 MI from any large airport. The only thing in town is the carefight helo pad at the local hospital just down the street. Plenty of places to fly around here and not be in the way.

@@jackguinn8462 😊👍🏻 Tim

@@TimMcKay56I think it's all about the money.

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When the FAA approves a FRIA, that approval is good for 48 months (4 years). The club will have to reapply after four years to renew the approval. This could and likely will change, but is in the final rule for now. Tim

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RB: Not sure of your question. Is it the cost of RC hardware in general, or government fees? For the fees, just the $5 FAA registration fee every 3 years. Good for all RC models. For the hardware, a good Spektrum RC set is under $300, and ARF trainers are under $150. www.FMSmodels.com have some very good ARFs. Tim

@@TimMcKay56 Thanks Tim, so happy I found your channel and thanks for your time.

@@user-bd5nh5eb4b Thanks for tuning in! Tim

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RID is here to stay, recreational RC flying will be just fine. Tim

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Actually, you can set up an AMA club and apply for a FRIA. An AMA club needs five adults over 18 and a $40 fee. Once set up, apply for a FRIA and fly with no RID hardware. Tim

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@@TimMcKay56 they are still taking up air space,what is the difference?

​​​​@@jackguinn8462Perhaps the two jewish senators who drummed-up this madness back in 2016 had _9_1_1_ on their minds ?

@@TimMcKay56 a sub 250 quad is supposed to exempt from all that malarky as long as you use it for recreational purposes only. Is what I read.

@@jackguinn8462 Correct. RID is tied to registration. Planes less than 250 grams do not need registration, thus no RID. Tim

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The FAA has full Congressional authority (and direction, by the way) to register drones. As well as write the Remote ID regulation. Google "Code of Federal Regulations" for further details. And the RC hobby will do just fine. Tim

Sure, thats why they lost in court the first round and it was only due to other court rules that reversed their original case to reinstate their illegal move.... @@TimMcKay56