Yeah, so do I. Damn shame we never got a Fourth Tiberium Game.

What you are saying is just NOD propaganda, there really has been no developments or events since the third tiberium wars. :D

Does anyone know what he is talking about? I, personally, have no idea...

@@Ag3nt0fCha0s It’s an unspoken rule that Tiberium War 4 never happened since it was such a terrible release and ruined the franchise. It was a Tiberium entry in name only basically

A 4th game? Nah that’s just a myth

as much as firestorm did rebalance the game, i dont think the juggernaut was the unit that evened the feild, artilleries got a hard nerf at the same time where they no longer had perfect accuracy vs moving targets like they did in normal TS. this did create a neath dynamic where juggs could do damage to moving units unless it was very fast, and didnt get a damage fall off when they where not moving due to the cannon's spread, vs a unit that couldnt hit anything moving but once hitting something stationary did massive damage

@@madrox8 oh yeah thats right completly forgot about that, thanks buddy its been way to long to remember that

@madrox8 Nod artillery was so ridiculous in Tib Sun. I remember just walking two lines backed up by rocket troopers and bikes towards the enemy and it would just be a closing box of death. Getting that to path properly was an absolute pain in my arse.

@@lordfrostwind3151 Basically what was wrong is that the Nod artillery shells were slightly "guided". They fixed this in the firestorm expansion and with the juggernaut returned the balance. Balance was very good in firestorm.

the pavement is a nice idea.... but i always found that for example roads roads or some slopes could not be paved, so there was always some small hole right in the middle of the base

Agree about Mammoth, but I like Tiberian Sun Titan (or WarZone mod) appearance over this Steel Talon one.

If they ever release a proper follow up, an upgraded Mammoth Mark 2 should be the Steel Talon's super unit.

@@lordfrostwind3151 There is a mod for C&C 3 called Tiberium Essences that changes most Nod and GDI units to Tiberium Sun versions including a Mammoth Mk2 with fully functional chin gun! Assuming it still exists somewhere, it has been a while since I found it...

That and I love the Steel Talons' combat doctrine of ground armor superiority and field longevity with the Adaptive Armor and MRT. I *do* see the downsides of their sub-faction: you lack specialized infantry to really take advantage of the garrison pods, their air superiority is lacking (EDIT: I was mistaken with that), they don't have any sonic weaponry, and their Behemoth is incapable of long-range bombardment.

@@racer927 they have the same air units and Upgrades for them as normal GDI.

Huh, that is sensible. I had never thought about it before. Though if there is a question that would scratch my head to this day, how did nod figure out how to "deal" with those pesky GDI predator tanks; the avatar stands tall and 1 hit from the predator would has some serious issues; but I guess that is a question in general for all mechs. Predators packs quite the punch (150mm cannons). But I would assume the Avatar would out range it in most cases since it is using a mini-obelisk that is far more precise than a standard cannon, but then their would be the railgun upgrade for the predator. The only thing that is plausible imo, a special type of armor that really likes sucking up all the heat and acceleration from an object seriously reacting to how high the pervious two. Other than that, Tiberium depleted armor ?

@@redcounterstrikemk2878 Well, if armor trends are to be followed the thickest part of human armor is always the chest area so even if a Predator were to hit dead center it wouldn't do too much damage before the Avatar fires back and thanks to it's height it'll see where it was shot form and have a clear shot

@@alexanerose4820 Ahh one of the other reasons why I think avatar must outrange predators and why it will have the advantage, one shot to its legs and it would just fall off to the ground. But then again its legs are most rounded as far as I remember so the shot would either be deflected or ricocheted. provided if the chest part of the area is thick enough to absorb damage or neutralize it completely. Heck even guided missiles would miss although it can go directly for the Eye, but I believe nod is not stupid enough to leave the avatar without an active defensive system even if we cannot see it ingame. Last thing is to take into consideration is that this era has far more advanced targeting systems, but then again you do not know what expect from that realm.

​@@redcounterstrikemk2878 assuming Nod integrates Scrin tech, I can see future Avater models having shielding and even longer ranged weapons. Maybe give the ability to cannibalise hostlie vehicle weapons for added middle finger.

@@TheNapster153 I agree, they can be quite a menace. One thing for sure even in reality if there were shields for mechs, then everyone on the ground would be a sitting duck making it Childs play for mechs to kill everything it sees and the enemy not being able to do much about it but try to concentrate fire to overpower and drop the shield. But then again, you got EMPs and Railguns but I assume they are as much as a hassle to field.

Agreed

Exactly what I was thinking when i clicked on the video 😂😂

Agreed it is also a time of much rejoicing

Agreed ^^!

Amen to that!

The big square also could house a Radar system since the titan asa walker stands much higher than a tank, The radar could effectivly help to find targets. My reasoning is tha its way too big for just NVG/Thermal sight, also probably couldn´t detect stealth units because it isn´t probably not such sophisticated system like the mobile sensor unit has. but still agood enough giving the titan a better first strike chance.

@@ineverexist666 NVG and thermal couldn't detect stealth anyway. Given the timeline of when the titan was deployed those two system would have been crucial due to low visibility due to all the dust and heavy weather conditions on earth at the time. Thermal sensors also provide just a far better resolution then radar on ground level which along with their size(smallest modern ones are way too big for the box) its why we don't use them and don't plan to use them for ground usage on any tanks and stick to using them for air observation exclusively . Second reason why its not this is that GDI uses local radar systems and they clearly possess a network system so having all titans equipped with it would make no sense. Meanwhile NVG/thermal unit is pretty much mandatory , i cannot see any vehicle not using it even more so given that its a walker and it needs anything and everything that boosts the visibility for the crew inside. As for the size its just about there for combined optics. Ones for modern tanks are bigger then that , you just mostly don't see them since 1/3 to 1/4 of the unit are hidden in the body of the tank.

It does look like tank commander independent sight.

I had never played the games with Steel Talons until recently. I live them

It's actually because of a change in NOD tactics that GDI had to abandon walkers. Nod Commandos were being taught how to "kneecap" walkers and Shadow Teams had access to the same explosives so GDI was looking at a potential crippling of almost their entire vehicle fleet if Shadow Teams were to be taught how to kneecap as well. In reverse, I don't see GDI taking up "ninja" tactics so the problem was not as pronounced on the NOD side. Though a GDI Commando would give a very conclusive demonstration of why it's a bad idea to field walkers too.

I love walkers but yeah, the tanks are superior in all ways, their tracked treads make the vehicle more stable and their lower/shorter frames make them more difficult to hit than a walker with the size and wide of a small building. Not to mention that a well placed mine, a commando or even a rope could destroy one of their legs and leave them completely useless. Just look what happened to the AT-ATs during the Battle of Hoth I still wish for the bipeds' return, I think they are a huge part of GDI's "aesthetics" and I don't mind if we sacrifice realism for coolness

CNC fans don't talk about the mk4 mammoth tank, there is a reason the video ends where it does.

@@deadoon oh I am aware of it, I just mean a true Mk4 instead of the garbage we got.

20-24 Orca Bombers for me. Why use titans when you can darken the sky and then crater the ground

That could explain why the Behemoth can’t coordinate fire with snipers then. It doesn’t have the advanced systems the Juggernaut uses. And therefore ST decides that they don’t need snipers for their fast-paced, hard-hitting division.

Thinking about it that’s probably reason why they don’t Yet it again it was a miss opportunity with the steel talons they own ver of most units (keep the snipers and the commando and they could there own zone troopers like zocom )

I think the Titan could use a coaxial MG to dela with infantry better. The Wolverine armaments could be modular, allowing for one to have Machineguns, Rocket launchers, smaller Railguns similar to the ones carried by Zone Troopers, Grenade Launchers, both standard and sonic. The Juggernaut doesn't seem to need any modifications besides an MG or the bunker present in the Behemot. Or maybe it could get it's hull expanded a bit and a rocket launcher or anti-air turret added. The Mammoth MkII was already a powerhouse by itself, it could at best add rocketpods to deal with airborne targets or even have modular weaponry like the MARV.

@@ismaelsantos5378 You cant give them mg's, you would have to completely rework how gameplay works in this game.

@@ismaelsantos5378 Agree, but in my opinion Mammoth should replace MARV which looks like abomination and not a proper vehicle.

@@robertkalinic335 I was talking in a more realistic military hardware design, not really gameplay mechanics. However, both can be done. Simply give them two weapons to the Titan, the MG and the Cannon, adding in the code that the Cannon will not fire on Infantry and the MG will only fire against Infantry. In the Mods Rise of the Reds and Shockwave for C&C Generals that feature was added to several tanks. While it's a different game and the code definetly works differently, it shouldn't be impossible to implement. Let's not forget about the Avatar/Purifiers with their Flamethrower and ZOCOM's Zone Raiders, who have anti-air rockets and anti-ground sonic grenades As for the modular weaponry, we already have the Epic Units for that and in the mod One Vision the MoK Avatars, The Myrmydon, has modular upgrades, so the Wolverine could start with 1 machinegun and the second arm free, so you purchase which weapon you want. As for balance, you could make coaxial machineguns not fire continuously or deal less damage than dedicated anti-infantry units, as well as not benefiting from AP ammo upgrade. I for one, like the changes the mod One Vision gives to all factions, in particular the Steel Talons, who get good infantry to complement their armored elements, making them not a one-trick pony.

@@rohenthar8449 The MARV was designed by ZOCOM for abating Tiberium, not exactly as a combat unit. That is why it's equiped with a huge ass Sonic Cannon and Tiberium processing facility. However, I do believe that an Upgraded version of the Mammoth MkII should have been added for Steel Talons instead of the MARV. The Mammoth could be slightly faster but less armored and using two massive railguns that deal more damage per shot than the MARV's sonic cannon, while having only 2-3 garrisonable slots. Essentially geared more towards obliterating big targets (such as the Hexapod and the Redeemer) while supported by smaller walkers for general combat.

Converging on Nod's lasers doesn't qualify as "laser guidance".

BUT NOD WAS DEFEATED, ENVIRONMENT WAS MORE IMPORTANT! Said the GDI completely refusing to learn from history that even without Kane NOD could and would still be a threat for as long as they existed.

@@combinecommando001 i mean the planet was dying at a alarming rate so it was either cut spending or die

@@combinecommando001 It didn’t matter if Nod was defeated or not if the planet freaking dies. They made a decision to prioritise Tiberium abatement. The right decision.

Ditto

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Well, from a real-life perspective, a walker would be harder to maintain than a traditional threaded tank - the legs, especially, would likely be prone to all sorts of mechanical breakdowns, which would be costly and time-consuming to repair. They would also be poorly protected - can't put too much armor on them because they need to remain flexible enough for the walker to... well... walk :P And from an in-game perspective, a walker's legs are susceptible to enemy commandos - a weakness that tanks don't have. I think this was even mentioned in C&C 3's intel database as a major reason for walkers being discontinued.

Yeah legs was a weak point and high maintenance cost. The only reason the Juggernaut was kept is because it's an artillery piece so if enemy forces is close to it something has gone wrong

It was heavily talked about that in the 3rd game. Also commandos figure how to take them out via C4 charge in the mech's legs... Which they consider that even nod will do the same stunt.

All these people trying yo explain what jethild covered already, I get it already... I still thing they're pretty cool and I would still have wanted to see them I'm other games. Not like all the lore is made in anyway.

At least Steel Talons exists in Kane's Wrath

He explains it way better than the in-game manual can do.

@@LINJ638 Agreed

I know. What is wrong with the game manual??? What do you think he will upload next in C&C Lore???? Do you think he will upload a video on the Kodiak???

A belated Happy Birthday!

Headcannon: disinformation spread intentionally to prevent accurate intel for Nod to adequately counter.

@@shanonsnyder9450 This disinformation project has seem to have worked since NOD lost all 3 Tiberian Wars lol

@@skyvipers well theoretically yes. But in tiberium wars kane got the scrin tower and later the Tacitus.

The Cyborgs video I think acts as the Cabal video as well. There is also the issue that NoStringsPrd has already done dedicated videos on both Cabal and the Forgotten. So I'm not sure there's really any more info I can provide on those topics that he hasn't already covered.

@@Jethild That just means we need more games with them. We can only hope.

@@DreamMarko I'd like to see a game that focuses more on the Forgotten.

@Jethild This is an excellent idea!

I would of personally would have liked to see an upgraded version as a final boss like unit at the end mission

Normal GDI had the juggernaut.

Well, mechanically Artillery shell was replaced, at least that's what I think. As you can see its weaker and slower than it was in Tiberian Sun, and its making it almost completely useless, because except Disruptors and Mammoth, most of units can outrun them. Edit: I forgot, Walkers still exist but in the NOD arsenal in the form of excellent and modular Avatar.

The global ion storm that occurs during the events of Firestorm could serve as a canon explanation for some weapon systems being disrupted. Since artillery is very long-range, the effect of this disruption was felt the most in this class of weapon systems. (or at least that's how I would explain it)

Actual reason though, balancing... Because *JESUS H. CHRIST,* the Nod Artillery has Godlike accuracy in the vanilla TibSun! Oh the artillery fired! We can evade that! (artillery still destroys Wolverine/Attack Buggy/Attack Cycle beyond minimal range) (-1000 Desk HP) Well *F🐬K ME THEN!*