How to Build an All-in-One Rack for Your Band

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Below is listed everything I used in the rack, with affiliate links that support our site and channel, along with the price of each item and the total cost.
3x Line 6 HX Stomps - $599.99 each x3 = $1799.97 - imp.i114863.ne...
1x CIOKS DC7 Power Supply - $229 - bit.ly/CIOKSDC7
1x Behringer X32 Mixer - $999.99 (we got ours used on Craigslist for $750) - imp.i114863.net/DXy22
1x Hosa PDR-369 Mic In Panel - $99.95 imp.i114863.ne...
1x ART S8 8 Channel Mic Splitter - $239 - imp.i114863.ne...
1x Cymatic Audio LP16 Live Player - $399 - imp.i114863.ne...
1x UE Sound Tap - $249 - bit.ly/UESOUNDTAP
1x Furman Power Conditioner $80.55 - imp.i114863.ne...
1x Gator Cases 2u Rack Drawer - $100 - imp.i114863.ne...
1x SKB Rack Shelf - $109.99 - imp.i114863.ne...
2x Shure GLXD4R Guitar Wireless - $549 each x2 = $1098 - imp.i114863.ne...
1x Shure PG4 Guitar Wireless - $299 (no longer made) - bit.ly/SHUREOLD
2x Shure PSM300 Wireless IEM Transmitters - $349 each x2 = $698 - imp.i114863.ne...
4x Shure P3RA Bodypack Receivers for IEMs - $449 each x4 = $1796 (make sure you get the matching frequencies for the transmitters and receivers) - imp.i114863.ne...
1x OSP SC16U-12 16 Space ATA Shock Effects Rack w/Casters - $507.99
2x 2U Rackmount 2U Rack 2″ Extender - 2x $26 - $52 bit.ly/RACKEXTEND
1x Seymour Duncan PowerStage 700 - $699 - imp.i114863.ne...
Cables
18x Hosa HMIC-003 REAN XLR Cable 3′ - $10.95 each x 18 = $197.10 - imp.i114863.ne...
10x Hosa HSS-003 1/4” TRS Cable 3′ - $10.95 each x 10 = $109.50 - imp.i114863.ne...
2x Hosa MID-301BK 5-Pin DIN to 5-Pin DIN MIDI Cable, 1 Foot - $6.45 each x 2 = $12.90 imp.i114863.ne...
1x Hosa MID-305BK 5-Pin DIN to 5-Pin DIN MIDI Cable, 5 Feet - $7.45 - imp.i114863.ne...
3x Hosa CPE-112 Right Angle to Right Angle Guitar Patch Cable, 12 Inch - $8.95 each x 3 = $26.85 - imp.i114863.ne...
2x 2 pack Audio 200s TRS to XLR Male Right Angle 3′ - $12.99 each x 2 = $26.97 - bit.ly/TRS2XLR
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@scubasteve29388 5 жыл бұрын

Uh, your band is amazing. Liked. Followed. Purchased.

@DeadSilent 3 жыл бұрын

How much does it cost to purchase a band? Been thinking about getting one myself

@Molt408 2 жыл бұрын

@@DeadSilent lol..I doubt money was an obstacle

@marcoabyss 5 жыл бұрын

"the monitor guy has the power to ruin your life on stage, we give you the power to ruin your own life..." SOLD! I'm making my own all-in-one rack

@lucasbottner8897 5 жыл бұрын

Only annoying thing: Explaining FOH people how your splitter/snake works because they refuse to read tech riders. Constant struggle

@Flyingdingii 5 жыл бұрын

@@lucasbottner8897 send us your rider and then we can read it. Can't read what we don't have.

@Starcrunch72 5 жыл бұрын

@@Flyingdingii Or, "Oh no that was the rider from 3 years ago....Our plot is nothing like that"

@calandraco2888 5 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂 I was reading this at the same time he was saying it

@Flyingdingii 5 жыл бұрын

@@Starcrunch72 a personal favorite of mine, I run into this monthly. I have made it a habbit to call/email bands myself to double check things when they seem kindof screwy.

@Bloodywood 5 жыл бұрын

We've got an identical setup except for the HX stomp boxes. We're using the line 6 helix rack that processes both guitars and bass because of its capability of having individual signal chains at the same time. Sweet job with the stomp boxes! The LP 16 is a livesaver

@partoftheproblem2767 3 жыл бұрын

How do you program the Cymatic and incorporate it to change patches?

@classicZEPP 3 жыл бұрын

You should do an update on your “All in one” setup

@classicZEPP 3 жыл бұрын

5 people agree with me so far

@roychan2160 5 жыл бұрын

Its only right you feel proud of your work. Just putting the rig together is tough but charting the music and programming the midi program changes for 3 Hx Stomps must have taken some hard work. Kudos to you Trey

@gingaduten4883 5 жыл бұрын

As a sound engineer, if you were to roll in that rack into my venue, I would love you!!! ...Until you rolled in all those cabs 😂

@MohitSharma1993 4 жыл бұрын

I feel that :D

@B3Band 4 жыл бұрын

We have everything in a rack, and get told that all the time. No amps/cabs for us, though.

@mattg1094 4 жыл бұрын

LOL

@josephkyle6271 3 жыл бұрын

THIS!!!!!! I have people come in with Racks like this with their own mics. Makes my life SOOO much easier

@slickcross Жыл бұрын

The x32 is the king! Its the OG! Can't go wrong with an x32!

@DavidNwokoye 5 жыл бұрын

First step: Have money

@StuntcatTV 3 жыл бұрын

mimimi I'm acting financially irresponsible

@SomeJustice19k 3 жыл бұрын

Or could credit. Lol

@aisinfosystem6018 2 жыл бұрын

🤣👍

@kylejensen6022 2 жыл бұрын

To be fair, a 5 piece band is splitting this cost. Where the rack might be $10,000 each member is paying $2000, most of which can be financed & even sold later at little to no loss. If you’re passionate about playing live music you can come up with $2000 some way or another

@austinrivero1598 2 жыл бұрын

I’m taking inspiration and finding cheaper versions of each unit so ig the video is still useful

@CatPickStudios 5 жыл бұрын

Step 1: Be in a band. That's where I failed.

@PooNinja 5 жыл бұрын

ha hope your band mates don't see this :D

@lorenzowoodmusic 5 жыл бұрын

Same

@stbone6274 5 жыл бұрын

I wish I was in one lol

@kahitaknows5366 4 жыл бұрын

I feel you dude.

@dannyboi9552 4 жыл бұрын

@@stbone6274 start one, i did it

@oanarhia 5 жыл бұрын

I play with the band Tragacanth from Nederlands. We have something similar, simpler in a way, but more complicated in others. We have an Allen and Heath idr32 mixer, a Kemper, an Atomic 3 and a Line6 bas pod pro, all 3 midi controlable. Backingtracks come from a Macbook pro, together with midi change AND a videotrack for the whole show. We have lyrics videos for all the songs, 2 screens and shortthrow projectors. We do wired inear, in stereo, using 10meter cables taped together with the guitar cable. The mixer has 16 outs, so we don't need splitters, i can do stereo mixes for everybody and send separate guitars, bas, voc and backingtracks to FOH.

@b.scottfarthingsworth 5 жыл бұрын

Brilliant. Fuckin absolute Brilliance. Dude, this should be made available to every band as a whole package with tips/instructions verbatim. ABSOLUTELY. Hats off to you my brother and a pint raised in your name for being a genius.

@JosephFacer 5 жыл бұрын

Great video. Having built a few racks like this before, your point about planning it out beforehand can't be stressed enough. I like to make big documents with every single piece of gear I need, every cable I need, and every different type of signal path (power, audio, MIDI, etc.) so that all I have to do is get the gear, make the cables, and wire it up when it comes time to actually build.

@wormingnightfall6599 3 жыл бұрын

Never been so amazed from seeing stage equipment! This setting really seems to translate into a perfect live experience

@skylermichael641 5 жыл бұрын

Man this is the best all in one rack system video I’ve ever seen. I especially love how you run the HX Stomps with the Cymatic Audio LP 16. I would have never heard about it, and especially never known it could trigger midi changes. I’m looking to do this with my band for vocal effects as well as guitar effects and possibly midi keys and lights if I can make it all work. Great job! Now I’ve got a lot to learn!

@chrisellis8389 5 жыл бұрын

Excellent build . You should get lacing bars that install in the rack holes for the back. Then velcro your cables to it, it takes the weight off of the connectors.

@JulianDaniels 3 жыл бұрын

Hey Trey, thank you so much for that video. We're thinking in our band switching to iem and working with a backing track and as I saw that Live Player in your rig my life was saved. That thing really makes your setup easier: you don't need an additional computer with an additional audio interface and a bunch more of cables. And it's midi capable!!! So great! Thank you very much for sharing this.

@nemasobhani9489 3 жыл бұрын

Yamaha EAD10 will solve the drum monitoring hurdle!

@dylandylan11731 3 жыл бұрын

Absolutely 👌

@xNARCx 5 жыл бұрын

I have $7.

@ballsrgrossnugly 5 жыл бұрын

With only .45c more you can buy ONE of the MIDI cables!

@kuyakoi3469 4 жыл бұрын

Youre broke. I got $8

@fh404 4 жыл бұрын

I think a 2nd hand IKEA shelf will do

@officialWWM 4 жыл бұрын

😂😂

@reisalieroglu2355 4 жыл бұрын

cbix that ikea shelf will break the second you put the gear

@skyshyne 2 жыл бұрын

Awesome setup!... it brings lot of ideas to implement something similar in our church!

@GerryTrevino 5 жыл бұрын

Dudes, such a sick video! I was actually just looking into reworking my live rig too. Thank you for this! 🙏🏼

@madrigalrogelio93 4 жыл бұрын

This video is amazing my band coast n bay now runs a similar setup. That cynamtic audio player is literally a dream for running backtracks. We've invested in a laptop and has always had problems with it. That live player literally takes out the guess work and makes it a plug and play.

@rickfeith6372 5 жыл бұрын

That little rack is GORGEOUS. I absolutely love the automation and MIDI control. Nicely done sir...this kind of setup was not even possible just a decade ago unless you were Metallica or a Rockefeller. 👍👍

@JEAG 5 жыл бұрын

It costs 10k though... It gave me some ideas for a rig of my own though...

@davidkekstroll5836 2 жыл бұрын

Little

@simpleObserver100 Жыл бұрын

You had me at HX stomp.😂

@axemurderforhire1 5 жыл бұрын

Brilliant, thanks so much as my band are just about to build our own IEM rig

@rickbiessman6084 2 жыл бұрын

2 years down the line, I wonder whether the next step forward might be even more integrated systems that are completely laptop based. I KNOW, I KNOW. If you get it to run smoothly, you still need a backup. But hear me out. You’ve got AD/DA conversion a bunch of times. Audio quality aside (with any decent gear, loss in audio quality is negligible), this introduces latency. Then you need multiple cables for MIDI switching. You’re connecting a load of hardware that is only there to perform SOFTWARE tasks. Let’s say you have a really fast computer (not sure today’s M1 Max MacBooks would be up to the task). You could run as many Helix Native instances as you need, or literally any other amp sim, along with all the effects you want without the limitations of what’s provided by a hardware unit. Granted, for most people that’s not that relevant. But the possibilities would be great. You could run the signals from wireless receivers to an interface, do all the processing, click track and backing track duties inside a single computer, and run that out through separate outputs from the interface to FoH. Heck, you might even be able to get away with doing your monitor mix inside a DAW. Although I’ll admit that for stereo IEM for an entire band you’d need such a large interface that you might as well get a rack mixer. Finally you could expand that kind of system to also run lights at any point. Let’s say you have a few moments in your show where you’d like certain accents. You don’t need to bring the entire lighting (not possible for most touring bands). You could probably manage to bring a few LED pars that would help make your show that extra bit more memorable. A system like this would still be pretty pricey, but what do you guys think?

@peakAV 5 жыл бұрын

Great job, and thanks for showcasing the sequencer, very interesting. My build has a 2U CBI 16 input splitter with plenty of trunk cable. Everything fit in the 12U version of your rack with the exception of the Mac mini (with keyboard, mouse, monitor) and guitar/instrument processing lives off-rack). Ableton provides backing tracks and adds drum and vocal effects with midi changes per song. The Allen & Heath Qu-Pac 32 is the rack mixer which has plenty of I/O and is an excellent interface.

@TimmyP1955 2 жыл бұрын

Nice job. Put the X32 below the splitter and panel, so it's a lot easier to get to their back panels. Then make custom-length cables to make room so you can see in there.

@rickbiessman6084 5 жыл бұрын

Wow. Insane. Having three HX Stomps in the rack and simply having to plug your guitars and bass into the transmitters... that’s nothing short of brilliant. I know Periphery run their shows off of a laptop and have it do all the MIDI switching on their AXE FXs but this is even a level above that. I have to say though that mono IEM is something I can only shake my head it. I legitimately loathe it and my head always drops when I’m forced to use it. Thanks so much for taking the time and explaining everything in depth!!! Awesome awesome awesome!

@johnheick3205 2 жыл бұрын

100% with you on the mono iem thing

@ERISofficial 5 жыл бұрын

Our rig has a split snake and we run our own drum mics. Kick mic is mounted in a shock mount in the kick, and we have cymbal stands attached to the hihat and ride cymbals. All the other mics just clip onto the toms and snare. We use Line 6 G-90 wireless systems with our 2 Kempers for guitar, and a Darkglass for bass. Our 2 wireless mics are in the rack as well. Opted for the XR-18 instead. It's still a single case, but it has 2 racks in it. Reaper runs our midi for our Kempers through the midi port on the XR-18.

@pauliusmscichauskas558 5 жыл бұрын

There literally is a more advanced, 1U rackmount version of that backing track device, with the midi output at the back, by the same company. Cymatic Audio uTrack24 The non rack version that you have is pretty cool, if you have it on your pedalboard. We normally keep it by the drummer, he controls the playback. But once I get my hands on the Fractal FM3, i'll build myself an all-in-one pedalboard and I will probably place the Backtrack device there. Btw, in your case, I recomment buying a low profile angled MIDI cable. It will look way less awkward at the front of the unit.

@razzo3456 5 жыл бұрын

I made something similar for my 4 piece symphonic metal band last year. Made everything fit in a 6RU SKB rolling rack, but using both front and back for the pieces. Not the greatest set up, but I also have a 23kg flying limit I have to keep in mind. Would like to make it 2 smaller, modular racks eventually. Guitar and bass both just running through one Helix Floor

@MrMercho4416 5 жыл бұрын

showing up to sound check with a stage plot and on time makes sound guys happy to see you.

@udmbfk 5 жыл бұрын

Keen to hear a live recording using all the outs on this unit

@B3Band 4 жыл бұрын

We made pretty much this same video two years ago. Not only that, but you released your version on my birthday haha main difference for us is that instead of having the sound guy use his own cables into our rack, we have a snake inside our rack and give the sound guy our tails. This way the rack doesn't even need to be on stage, and the sound guy doesn't need to suddenly produce 10 extra cables or unplug his mics and leave them in a corner just to deal with us. For particularly grumpy sound guys, we tag and label his existing cables while they're still in the stage box so he can quickly restore them when we're finished. Most sound guys worth their shit either have already dons this, or have enough spaces in their stage box that it isn't even necessary.

@continuum288 5 жыл бұрын

Very cool and interesting. I always appreciate your comprehensive explanations and the approach to your videos. Thank you and Cheers!

@ledooni 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks man, that video helped a lot! Could you also make one on how you use and program the MIDI patches on the three HX Stomps with just that one LP-16? And your band sounds amazing, can‘t wait for more!

@AdamAlgeroth 5 жыл бұрын

I also want to see video how to program midi patches and click track sync.

@Hengalardel 4 жыл бұрын

It seems no one wants to share knowledge about midi patching. Im almost 2 years looking on the net and nothing. That would be a lot of help of he could explain that

@ChristopherRoupp 4 жыл бұрын

Ricardo Carniça noticed that myself as well. Just gotta figure it out then I’m probably gonna make my own video to explain that for people like us :)

@manuelevangelista660 3 жыл бұрын

After see with atention its fantastic ! I also want to see video how to program midi patches and click track sync Can you make this ? regards from Portugal

@johanneschristopherstahle3395 10 ай бұрын

MIDI patching should be straight forward in a setup like this, since you only have one source + the Helixes. As long as the devices have MIDI through, you could just daisy-chain them. Otherwise you would need multiple MIDI outs or a MIDI splitter. If you need different patch changés on each HX Stomp, you would need them to react to different MIDI channels and program the LP 16 to send the corresponding MIDI program changes. It's usually easiest to have all units use the same patch numbers for the same songs. And the click track... I don't know what to explain about it. Just send it to your monitors and make sure to play in time. If you want to set something like this, you will most certainly have to read the manuals of the units you're using. But MIDI switching is really no rocket science. You will have to spend a lot of more time to make sure all your patches do sound the way they should.

@mashzmash 5 жыл бұрын

Great work. I'd definitely get antenna combiners for transmitters and receivers and get the antennas out of the rack though.

@PooNinja 5 жыл бұрын

I built a 18 space Rack extra deep for cable storage in my mobile DJ Rig. huge time saver for set up and tear down .

@treyxaviermusic 5 жыл бұрын

You did the best possible thing first, which was to be a DJ instead of in a band, then you can afford whatever rack you want

@PooNinja 5 жыл бұрын

yea if it were not for streaming services taking over the party scene :( thank god for weddings even if people request the same Craptastic tunes every time :( only the special dance tunes change once and awhile. I think I'm immune to "the wind beneath my wings" at this point.

@daviddutton9723 5 жыл бұрын

This is an incredible video. I wasn't aware of the X-32 and how great that can be for controling your own IEMs. I also know a lot of EBM and industrial bands that run their tracks from their laptop and I've seen in fail on them a lot. That LP-16 seems like the perfect solution for that

@billparker4815 5 жыл бұрын

The x air 18 is a slightly more cost efficient option, the only downside is a little less versatility and no lcd screen so no control without a laptop or tablet

@nelguzman5109 5 жыл бұрын

I was blown away went you talked about the hx stomp usage. x0 BTW the rack you created is awesome!

@RArecordingsRickValcon 5 жыл бұрын

use your own splitter setup and multi from rack to stagebox so after soundcheck you keep it hooked up. I mix multiple venues and I get more and more bands using this system, but miss the last crucial steps to be self contained. What if one of the many venue cables you ask is defective? get 2 behringer ms8000 and a decent labeled multi from the splitter to the front and maybe a labeled one as an extention from the stagebox to your splitter. Then you are set. Without these setups are a real pain because you're forcing big time consuming changes in the venues setup during changeover.

@RichSProducer 5 жыл бұрын

Definitely agree. These setups are very cool, but sometimes bands don't seem to think ahead or realize that goes into setting up this kind of rig on the FOH end. At my venue, we often have 5 or more bands playing 25 min sets with fast changeovers. A band will then come up to me 2 minutes before they are supposed to start and want me to unplug my entire stagebox and plug in their inputs (often with unlabeled cables, soundcheck, etc. So now when the next band plays, I have to eat into that band's setup time in order to unplug the last bands inputs, reattach all of my inputs, etc. Not to mention, now all of my preamp, eq, levels etc will have to be checked because I have no idea what signal you're going to be sending me from your rig. So, always ask your sound engineer as soon as you arrive at the venue if it's viable to use this kind of rig and be ready to adjust if they say they aren't comfortable pulling apart their entire stagebox just for one band.

@guamskyy 5 жыл бұрын

This is so fucking awesome! I have a kemper but that HX stomp intrigues me since making a rig as light and compact as possible but still sound great is the goal.

@rickfeith6372 5 жыл бұрын

Fractal has that new micro 3 switch pedal coming real soon too! It looks sexy, it sounds Fractal...and its got MIDI

@itai.617 5 жыл бұрын

Damn trey didnt know u can sing so well

@saberreiter8569 5 жыл бұрын

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/obCWpcR_qNy2aKc.html !

@Baileyriffs 5 жыл бұрын

Glad to see I'm not the only one rack mounting HX Stomps with MIDI control. I got our all-in-one rig finished up this last week before our run of shows next month lol. I have our setlist on my laptop which is mounted in our rack (its got a removable top for an optional soundboard) with USB hooked up to the stomp but I dig your way of controlling it. We have a programmed light show off of the setlist session so that's our difference. Your excitement for the Stomp just about matches mine though...it's a swiss army knife of a unit for sure.

@JulesFox 5 жыл бұрын

This is a wonderful video. Massive props for getting this solution racked so elegantly, comprehensively and cheaply. Great stuff.

@gregg4164 5 жыл бұрын

He said it was not cheap. He did it as economically as he could but it was not cheap.

@JulesFox 5 жыл бұрын

@@gregg4164 Well, for the functionality packed in there, I do consider it cheap and effective. If you're just looking at the $$$ spend, I imagine it's a little on the steep side. However, I see a LOT of guitarists getting around with Paul Reed Smith guitars and Mesa Boogies, so there are people spending cash routinely on their gig gear.

@MitchBakerMusic 5 жыл бұрын

that LP-16 is a game-changer; I was about to drop way too much money on a laptop when that would do the job for easily half the price, plus not needing to bring an interface. Can't thank you enough, much love!

@JohnDemetre 5 жыл бұрын

Great setup! I’d love to see a more in depth video about how the midi switching works - how you cue the songs to start, how to program the info on the thumb drive, etc. Thanks!!

@SBS1890 6 ай бұрын

I've found that I prefer all the I/O on the back of the rack. Business in the front, cable disasters all at the back. LOL.

@murham3897 5 жыл бұрын

On cleaning up the rack in the back, I would use install XLR cable. Much thinner and lets you get that ish out the way.

@crocholiday 3 жыл бұрын

That is a sweet set up. Well played sir, well played... And I agree with others, the band is the bomb. Good stuff!

@daniel_mixes 5 жыл бұрын

This is amazing. The only thing I can think to improve would be to squeeze another one or two rack spaces somehow and add a custom redco patch panel for all inputs/outputs to be plugged into. That reduces the likelihood of interconnect cables of getting jacked up and makes it even more thoughtless during setup. :)

@Alchemy86510 4 жыл бұрын

One of our favorite videos of an IEM system. We've built our own and will be breaking it in this summer playing local and regional shows. Excited!

@schwamf5 5 жыл бұрын

That's a really awesome rack, i especially love the automatic preset switching, and the playback unit in general! One slight improvement you could make: wouldn't it be easier to have a labelled snake for the outputs to foh, so the soundguy doesn't need 8 individual cables and could just plug your snake straight into his stagebox? That would also safe you another unit height in the rack. Also noone except your guys would have to touch the rack at all! 😊

@Starcrunch72 5 жыл бұрын

Absolutely--labeled output tails to FOH--because green/blue labels can't be read well at all on a dark stage.

@jamesdean7574 5 жыл бұрын

I Love these tech videos, you’ve done a killer job with this rack. I’m gonna do something like this but with presonus series 3 gear, their NSB stage boxes are gone be INCREDIBLE!!!!

@blessidunion 5 жыл бұрын

Great video. Love everything in 1 rack. I would prefer to lose the drawer and add another 8 in and 8 out split and get those drums separated. But I have an old rack that came from the Four Tops that is all drawers! This video will help a lot of bands.

@rockfighter800 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the informative video. The live player and the power conditioner might be a good addition to my own IEM Rack. However I'd like to point out that it is quiet hard to get a good IEM sound with mono tracks. Fortunately Behringer has two awesome products which enable each band member to have their own stereo IEM mix. For around a 1000 bucks more you can buy the Behringer Powerplay PD16-D and a Behringer Powerplay P16-M for each band member. Feed the PD16-D from the X32 mixers ultranet output and go from there to each of the P16-M units. Now each band member has the same 16 channels (selectable by choice in X32) on their own P16-M unit and can mix them together individually to their own liking. Of course this means spending more money and managing more hardware but in my opinion an individual stereo IEM mix for each bandmember is definitely worth it. Furthermore Behringer has awesome extension modules for the X32 which enabled me to add another splitter and tap the drum mics into the x32 as well.

@ballsrgrossnugly 5 жыл бұрын

Clicked this video because we are building the ghetto version with just a PA amp and a gate/compressor and EQ to plug our FX boards into. Similar though with everything connected in the back of the case ready to just plug in. This would be the goal one day!

@amdenis 2 жыл бұрын

Niiiiice sound, great band- solid mix. Thanks for sharing the music and the info!

@PostmasterD1 5 жыл бұрын

That's. Fucking. Dope. By far, the best execution I've seen of this concept. The realtime midi switching is something of witchcraft! Also you totally sold me on one of those HX stomps. Fantastic job!

@iamseanlavin24 3 жыл бұрын

For micing my band's kit we use the Yamaha EAD-10 it's 1 microphone and it can hear all the drums around it! It uses our splitter to hear it and that's it!

@BassMeister17 5 жыл бұрын

Great work! This is a great solution. Just a thought: being handy with a soldering iron, and making custom length cables for all of this would certainly reduce the cost (for those of us who don't have hookups with Hosa), and would basically eliminate the spaghetti-ness of the back - not to mention improve airflow through a rack that's as tightly packed as this one. Obviously, it would add to the time required to build the rack to make a bajillion cables, but your mileage may vary.

@CarmeciCom 5 жыл бұрын

"if the playback takes a shit" ..... LOL Love the solution given, super pimp brother!! 🤟😎❤️

@nedward5871 2 жыл бұрын

Nice rack! one suggestion - get a UPS instead of the "power conditioner" so that if power goes out momentarily, you don't lose any settings on your mixer or other units. If you really want, you could step up to an AR-1215 Voltage regulator, but they are pricey. Computer UPS for the win.

@treyxaviermusic 2 жыл бұрын

that's not a bad idea, I have one of those in my studio setup and it's pretty sick

@nedward5871 2 жыл бұрын

@@treyxaviermusic Yep - especially with iffy power in some places... Audiopile also makes excellent rack cases and their shock mount rack is 24". Plus Mark & Liz are great people.

@codyroos7125 4 жыл бұрын

I know this would be a long shot but would you be able to do a video on a budget version of this? or parts you'd recommend

@edoardoallertsen 5 жыл бұрын

Quick note for the Cymatic, they have a 24 track version called uTrack24 which is 24 inputs and outputs and it's rackmount. With balanced outputs on D-Sub.

@raynerrenoband 4 жыл бұрын

Such versatile rig

@ELGAsmusic 2 жыл бұрын

Great and detailed video! Can you please explain why you choose to split signals? Do you trust different front-of-house sound guys to deliver the same quality sound on all of your shows? Do you not want the audience to have the same sound as you do in your in your in-ears (I presume you dial in all effects as you want them through the X32)? Or is it a demand from front-of-house sound guys that they do the mixing themselves? I see many bands doing these splits and sending all of the signals dry to front-of-house. I just want to learn the pros and cons of different scenarios here

@BaldyMacbeard 5 жыл бұрын

Have been using the LP-16 for switching my rig & clicktracks forever. Best thing ever... The helix stomps make me want to dump my Kemper and build a rig like this.

@valerecoignet 5 жыл бұрын

For the midi switching, you just have to add a midi track that has the program changes in it, into the song ? I haven't seen videos on the LP 16 for the midi part ^^'

@treyxaviermusic 5 жыл бұрын

Yeah Cymatic has a free software that lets you add a MIDI track before you upload it to the LP16, it's pretty easy to use

@valerecoignet 5 жыл бұрын

@@treyxaviermusic Thank you !

@BaldyMacbeard 5 жыл бұрын

Basically there's a tool (Cymatic cymatic utool) that you have to use to set up your tracks and playlists and write them to a USB stick. You assign your (up to) 16 wave files and a single midi file per track. The midi file is pretty easy to set up in your DAW, along with the other tracks. For multiple devices, your MIDI track should send program changes on different channels. It's a pain in the ass to set everything up, but once you have it all in place, you gain a great deal of freedom when performing. Totally worth it.

@FrozenCharlottes 5 жыл бұрын

Absolutely amazing job on that rack. I have been trying to build something similar, but this really gave me a ton of ideas!

@BassBaseBerlin 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the video! I love the concept of the "prewired-all-in-one-rack". But I'm still not sure to keep multiple racks for beeing more flexible since I play in different bands. I love the "no-floor-boards" idea! But one question to all you string-players: How do you tune? I love my rack tuner, but then remote-muting is an issue. So do you use just clip-tuners? And how do you mute for cable unplugging? Digital wireless --> easy, else --> ???

@douglane3962 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for this video Trey! I'm getting ready to launch a project that's going to need something similar to this, but a bit more expanded. This setup looks like an incredible start to building my own rack!

@kirstensray 5 жыл бұрын

This is a wild setup. So the playback midi thingie is doing all of the patch shifting on the HX Stomp. Does that mean you always play the songs the same way each night and no adlibbing, i.e. the crown is into it and you want to do another chorus or keep playing while you engage the audience into something. Maybe this kind of interaction isn't a thing for metal. I have the DC7 and it is the ish! I'm going to check out that small router.

@GeorgePetersIII 5 жыл бұрын

I have to ditto this question. How do you make changes to the set/song? Play, Pause, Stop, Extend? Edit: I caught it the second time...MIDI footswitch or an app(?). So the question remains, do you have room to improv, play your instruments between songs, tuners? . . .

@nickhenretty1282 5 жыл бұрын

Hey man! Love this concept. Can you go into more depth as to how you program midi changes for the hx stomps? I'm having a little trouble finding much info online. Also, have you found it possible to switch not just between snapshots within scenes, but actually between scenes? Like if you wanted to use (hypothetically) a 5150 model for one song and a Triple Rectifier for another, is it possible to program that scene change with midi? Also, how are you programing the Midi to switch the three units from one midi output? Thanks!

@klonklone7787 3 жыл бұрын

Did you find out how to do it?

@SeraphSlaughter 2 жыл бұрын

@@klonklone7787 its easy. Program changes = preset level changes. Control (CC value 69) to do snapshot switches. So, at the top of a song, send a program change to switch to a preset with whatever amp you want to use. Then use CC messages to switch between the snapshots during a song. Hopefully you only need 3 snapshots per song, or you can simply send a program change mid song (but theres a half second of drop out, so do it on a part where you're not playing) as for midi switching multiple, midi out from interface ----> in on one HX stomp, out of that stomp ----> in on the next stomp, out of that stomp to the in of the next etc. Make sure each stomp is on a different midi channel and you can send separate messages to separate stomps.

@mrjenybean 5 жыл бұрын

Great rig pal. I'm looking at stuff that would work well in a set up and tear down church for worship. Not seen anything like the Line 6 unit you put together there - solid!

@susannerodriguez4471 5 жыл бұрын

You are describing an "effects rack" rather than an amp rack. Amp racks = massive. Custom effects racks can be built to suit from many vendors. It is going to be expensive anyway, so you might as well get exactly what you want! What the band hears is critical. Give the audience what is left over. They "hear" with their eyes anyway. Great presentation.

@Gus11c 5 жыл бұрын

Weird point, but when building my rack, what shocked me wasn't the price of a wireless or power amp. It was the solid or blinding draws. Crazy!

@theelmagoo 4 жыл бұрын

Awesome vid and breakdown! Nicely thought out rack!! As a fellow band member that had to build the rig for our current band, which also uses an X32, I approve :). A few comments and questions for you kind sir: 1) Have you noticed wifi connection issues using the wifi adapter you chose? We're an 11 piece band (it's a comedy act called Elviss Simmons and the Memphis Strutters :), and once we get on location and with people in the venue, we've had very spotty luck with our current wifi solutions sometimes and are looking for better options. 2) For the cabling, I would highly suggest making them yourselves as you can save a good chunk of money, along with getting them the precise length you like :). 3) Cabling suggestion, I would definitely consider routing and mounting the cables to the side walls of the rack, as the bouncing / movement of the rack through transport will shake and wiggle the cables, putting wear and tear on the jacks of the actual units they're plugged into. Also with having the cables wound up like you have and just suspended, that's even more weight that's going to be bouncing and jostling on the input jacks. 4) For your drums, and I know this would mean an extra piece of gear to have to deal with, but 1 external SD8 hooked up via a CAT 5 cable would be a great way to go. You can get an additional 8 mics to mic up the kit, and then SD8 also acts as a splitter in that it provides a split at the source for FoH. I really should make a video showing what we came up with as it's similar, but obviously has more complication due to our bands size. We went with 2 racks (the main one that sits off-stage, and the break-out box rack with 3 x SD8s in them that connect via a single CAT5 cable to the main rack). But I couldn't agree more about simplifying your setup to give you the most control and flexibility possible :)

@ChristopherRoupp 3 жыл бұрын

For your first question I found this video & it basically solved that problem for my band. Now if we ever do a show again (damn you Covid :( ) we won’t have to worry about the WiFi dropping thanks to this hardwire trick kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mOCao5Ofss-9ln0.html

@sethheppner6761 2 жыл бұрын

So question? Could you do a video on how you set HX stomps and the LP-16 to do the changes in a song.. I am new to the midi game and I would like to do something similar for my team.

@theGIGINIband 5 жыл бұрын

My question; Instead of the HXStomp could something like the overdrive 200 from quilter work? I play bluesy rock But im more and more interested in having a set up that's extremely easy to use

@Skipping_to_Olympus 2 жыл бұрын

Hi, I noticed you mentioned at 6:50 about running the HX stomps without a Cab sound on it. I am having the exact same dilemma at the moment where some venues are asking for us to use cabs. And obviously you mentioned that you run a line out without a Cab/IR on it as that causes the cabs to sound super muddy. But how do you deal with the signal running to your ears as I have noticed that if I remove the the Cab/IR from my Helix patch, the signal in my ears is super high FQ and has a lot of static. Is there a way to run one line to your ears with Cab/IR and another without Cab/IR to the cabs?

@PNSerapicos 5 жыл бұрын

Great video, awesome setup. Would love to hear you elaborate on how you set up the MIDI tracks that send signal along with the backing tracks; How does it work with the stomp? Is each one on a MIDI channel and how do you program which parameter does what with the stomp?

@WaghRules 5 жыл бұрын

Dude, stereo in-ears are a gamechanger! Only thing i would maybe suggest to change (but I get that it would be a lot more complicated)...

@BloodlineMetalfromGermany 2 жыл бұрын

Hey thanks for this video! Do you power the LP16 with the furman power conditioner? Is there any special adapter involved or do you connect it straight to the power conditioner? Thanks!

@cmath8577 5 жыл бұрын

If there are no cabs on stage , how does the audience within the first 20 feet from center stage hear the guitars or bass if the pa mains pump from the sides and bounce off the back wall? Is there ever an issue with that ?

@herr.veranstaltungstechniker 5 жыл бұрын

C Math thats the job of the pa. Bringing everything from the stage to the audience. And it‘s much easier to do a balanced mix if you don‘t have to worry about stage volume. You don‘t have to deal with the 11/10 master volume guitarist who is louder than the pa.

@heterodoxic 5 жыл бұрын

@@herr.veranstaltungstechniker Or bass that's creating standing waves or sound out of phase with the PA that can't be EQd out :-)

@UncleChuzz 4 жыл бұрын

Herr Veranstaltungstechniker that’s the thing, if there is no stage volume, anywhere directly in front of the stage (that does not get PA coverage, because it’s either hung above/to the side) is going to be missing guitar/bass coverage unless there are front fills up.

@RaffaeleSansone 3 жыл бұрын

I've also heard that this is a common problem for bands who run 100% line guitars, if the venue doesn't provide front fillers the drums are going to take over for people that are too close to the stage. Hopefully as more bands adopt these kind of setups the venues will catch up

@spadz93 5 жыл бұрын

Have a rig just like this, save for a few differences in hardware but the same in concept. Made our lives much easier

@jouebien Жыл бұрын

I mean cable is expensive if your not buying in parts. I can do 8m mic cable for $20 and get 5-8 years from them (connectors get recycled I get 10-15 years out of them). Were not even talking super expensive parts either here. neutrik XX series connectors are ~$5 a peace and cable goes for about $1-2 per meter. neutrik XX aren't even that expensive - the low end no name or Amphenol connectors retail for basically the same price and last nowhere near as long. Note pricing is in AUD - half the price if your in Pound or Euro or USD. Brother make tube labels which can be printed on. highly recommended for adding labels and getting none of the tape glue on everything. neutrik also have colour rings which can help identify what is connected to what - there's a transparent one for labels as well. If you have to use tape then high end electrical tape or board tape - which is less likely to make everything sticky.

@cprodrums9797 4 жыл бұрын

I have a similar setup and really love the idea of the LP16, but I’m curious if you could’ve gone with the Cymatic Audio utrack x32 expansion card and do away with the LP16? That would also solve the weird shape and plug positions on the LP16. Pretty sure the expansion card is cheaper too! An added bonus with the utrack X32 is you’ll have the ability to multitrack record all 32 channels on a thumb drive as opposed to a stereo mix.

@livetechproductions1999 4 жыл бұрын

No, at least if you want to use the MIDI output you have to use either the LP16 or uTrack24. The X32 expansion card (which has been discontinued) doesn't have MIDI output support.

@StuntcatTV 3 жыл бұрын

This is such an amazing video. I'm really thankful for all this information, taught me a lot!

@GrupoVozDeMando 3 жыл бұрын

Awesome Rack!!! In the process of building one just like it. One quick question, What is the purpose of the UE Sound Tap? and why not going straight into the behringer?

@treyxaviermusic 3 жыл бұрын

The Sound Tap lets you pull a signal from a powered monitor line, you can't plug a speaker cable directly into the Behringer because it'll blow it up haha. If you can get a regular old mic or line level signal off the board then you don't need it.

@JesseJorgensen 3 жыл бұрын

Amazing. What a time to be alive!

@bunnyadrian 5 жыл бұрын

This is fantastic. Glad you’re digging the stomp. Not too long ‘til you get the Revv model.

@treyxaviermusic 5 жыл бұрын

I wants it soooooooo baddddd

@JeffreyRutland 9 ай бұрын

cool rack, love the HX Stomps buried in there! I don't get the paranoia of the laptop thing though... been using one onstage in a pretty active show that's been to numerous countries over the last couple of years, with no problems whatsoever. at home we use an X32, abroad I bring a Focusrite. show runs in Ableton. it's very dependable, and super flexible.

@dburridgemusic 5 жыл бұрын

We just swapped over to our one of these in 2019.... Was terrified at first but our bassist (is it always the bassist?!) was adamant and we haven't looked back since. Yeah, the box itself is a bit heavy, but there's 0 cabs, 0 heads, 0 pedals, 0 cables on the floor. It's mental!

@DennisVlaanderen 4 жыл бұрын

As an AV Tech I was going "oh, cool" for the entire video. Until you flipped it around and showed me the cabling. Instant PTSD of troubleshooting wireless racks that looked like that while a show was already live.

@abcnech 4 жыл бұрын

Very nice setup. I have started to do similar setup for my band. My Question is How do you control the Cymatic LP16 live ? foot switch? midi Switch?

@WoolleyGG 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for going through this, that IEM setup is exactly what I need!

@JeremiahMcGowan 2 жыл бұрын

Are you still running this setup? I'd love to see an update and see how you liked it all

@RogueCow 3 жыл бұрын

Been watching your stuff for years, just realizing now you are in a band with Jamie and Rami. I went to school with them in Windsor, small world lol

@r4vi4n 2 жыл бұрын

Hey Trey, awesome stuf! Got a question: how do control your 3 HX stomps individually. I noticed how just one of the pedals switched, while there is only one MIDI cable. Or do I miss something here? Anyway, subbed already. Keep up the good stuff! \m/ Bart