Gears of Corruption: Expeditions Expansion Design Notes

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Ай бұрын

Jamey shares some new mechanisms and design notes from the expansion to Expeditions, Gears of Corruption.
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@selden2716
@selden2716 29 күн бұрын
Can't wait to add this expansion. Expeditions is such a good game! Good job, Jamey.
@jameystegmaier
@jameystegmaier 29 күн бұрын
Thank you! :)
@chadstilson8804
@chadstilson8804 29 күн бұрын
So interesting that you can Vanquish the Actual Corrupted Mech! Very cool
@jeffreyross2585
@jeffreyross2585 29 күн бұрын
I feel like the Automa Factory could have a field day designing a whole new solo mode that revolves around the corrupted mech. Even if it ends up being after market, I would love to see what Morten and Co. could come up with.
@DanielLopez-ep9ex
@DanielLopez-ep9ex 29 күн бұрын
Love all of the incorporated feedback!!!!
@jameystegmaier
@jameystegmaier 29 күн бұрын
Thanks! We're very fortunate to have so many people willing to publicly share their constructive feedback. :)
@BelgianDaSeeD
@BelgianDaSeeD 29 күн бұрын
It seems great, i can’t wait to get my hands on it. 🤩
@sirguy6678
@sirguy6678 29 күн бұрын
Love the series!
@woundsdrone
@woundsdrone 29 күн бұрын
Can’t wait for this one ❤
@izlude9283
@izlude9283 2 күн бұрын
We played a couple of Expeditions now with the max player capacity. I think its around 8 times now. And the same feedback always come up every game. "Scarcity in Corruption Tiles on higher player count. Power and Guile lost its value at the later stages of the game. Made the game lengthy that shouldn't supposed to be." So what we did on our last game, we implemented a "Conflict Mechanism" just like in Scythe. We used the Battle Wheels. Comparing and using upto 7 Power to push away or defend your location. Ties wins the attacker as always. Losing the battle will retreat the Mech upto the base or he can place it hexes near depending on the Guiles used upto 3. Winner will able to steal 1 unplayed card from the opponent(excluding the starting cards) or 1 worker as his reward. It really changed the game and made the game even more interactive but also made it more lengthy. This was just a fan-made rule from our group just spice things up a little and address our some concerns. Hope this expansion addresses our main concerns: - I think the starting Mech Mat would jump start the game and will make the first option of exploration be viable. - The Corrupted Mech would be an additional Corruption points and will be using the Power and Guile more. But based on this video it looks like it is easier to Vanquish than the Corruption Tiles.
@jameystegmaier
@jameystegmaier Күн бұрын
I'm curious to hear your thoughts after you play the expansion! :)
@MegaSNES64
@MegaSNES64 29 күн бұрын
Impatiently looking forward to this..
@jameystegmaier
@jameystegmaier 29 күн бұрын
Just one more week! June 5 launch, shipping throughout June. :)
@ChrisSmithSmooth
@ChrisSmithSmooth 29 күн бұрын
I would definitely have been against negative map tokens, but making them trades would have been interesting, especially if you could hold onto them, lose something to gain something :-)
@mikepratt9911
@mikepratt9911 27 күн бұрын
Love it. Also I would totally buy a wooden map token upgrade pack
@Gigantor18
@Gigantor18 29 күн бұрын
Looks like an awesome expansion that adds some interesting wrinkles and addresses a few sticking points for some players. Excited to pick this up, thanks Jamey
@jameystegmaier
@jameystegmaier 29 күн бұрын
Thanks! :)
@RoyceBrown-gl9fm
@RoyceBrown-gl9fm 29 күн бұрын
That is very interesting. Love how the map tokens adds to it and makes things more interesting. Played a solo game not too long ago. And just wondered about the map tokens if more was gonna be added in expansions. But the corrupted mech is my favorite add already. Just love the fact of there's a corrupted mech out there and it's hostile. So cool.
@jameystegmaier
@jameystegmaier 29 күн бұрын
Thanks! I hope you enjoy contending with the corrupted mech. :)
@RoyceBrown-gl9fm
@RoyceBrown-gl9fm 29 күн бұрын
@@jameystegmaier i definitely will.
@briangonzalez6744
@briangonzalez6744 22 күн бұрын
I like the sense of danger, especially with the new map tokens potentially being non beneficial. But I think for new players I'll make a house rule that they can keep it a seceret and use it immediately or later on. That way they have some control over the benefits 👌 Also... the fact that YOU CAN VANQUISH A MECH!!!! 🤙 So cool dude!
@jameystegmaier
@jameystegmaier 22 күн бұрын
I think that's a fair house rule to try. :)
@richarddubois3995
@richarddubois3995 17 күн бұрын
I love the thoughtful elements of this expansion! Question-do you need to use the corrupted mech in order to use the new maps with secret bonuses? Will using these new bonuses without the corrupted mech make the game “too easy” relative to the base game? And along those lines-will the maps with bonuses make solo easier since the automa doesn’t get those bonuses? Can the “jump start” from the mech cards be used without the corrupted mech? Thank you for any clarity you can provide! I’m a huge fan of the quality, intention, and integrity behind how you do everything with your company!
@jameystegmaier
@jameystegmaier 16 күн бұрын
The corrupted mech module is optional--you can play with or without it (independently of the other elements in the expansion). If you have the expansion, I recommend always playing with the other new elements and sometimes playing with the corrupted mech. The maps may make solo slightly easier.
@nerdyjawsh
@nerdyjawsh 29 күн бұрын
Wow I'm certainly impressed. Looks like it adds alot of things that I was hoping for.
@jameystegmaier
@jameystegmaier 28 күн бұрын
Thank you!
@vincentgaliano
@vincentgaliano 29 күн бұрын
Although I was hoping for a campaign, I have to say this look like an expansion should be : make the game better while not changing the core of it. I really like having some points (force, intelligence- don’t remember how they are called) and the hero, it will open up the beginning of the game and will let me do more things without having to gain some workers and cards first, which was a bit long. It’s a really clever design, but I wonder (as a humble beginner designer) why you didn’t think about it before… Having the corrupted mech is also a great addition, especially in solo, with the two other AI mechs. It will make the game a bit more thinky, similar to solo Viticulture, when the AI takes a place I really needed. Can’t wait for the French release !
@jameystegmaier
@jameystegmaier 29 күн бұрын
"It’s a really clever design, but I wonder (as a humble beginner designer) why you didn’t think about it before…" Because I'm human. :)
@kal033
@kal033 29 күн бұрын
Looking forward to grabbing an Ironclad expansion to go with my Ironclad core game. The corrupted mech sounds like a great way to interact with the game. What kind of Ironclad stock will be available? Will the store site have any restrictions to limit bulk purchases to better ensure individual buyers the opportunity to buy the Ironclad edition?
@jameystegmaier
@jameystegmaier 29 күн бұрын
I'm certainly hoping we have enough Ironclad expansions--we based our first print run on a survey we ran last year. If we're short, we can make more. We do restrict people to at most a few copies of any product.
@kal033
@kal033 29 күн бұрын
Thanks for the reply. Lookimg forward to June 5th!
@boxofspoons312
@boxofspoons312 29 күн бұрын
This looks so good! What are the odds the new components will fit in the base box?
@jameystegmaier
@jameystegmaier 29 күн бұрын
100% odds--I designed the expansion specifically to fit into the original insert.
@boxofspoons312
@boxofspoons312 29 күн бұрын
@@jameystegmaier fantastic. Thank you!
@Multipotentialist
@Multipotentialist 28 күн бұрын
Interesting expansion! Everything is great, and personally, I'm just not a very huge fan of the corrupted mech (essentially adding an automa), but I'm here with some constructive feedback (idea). Since Expeditions is essentially a very card-driven game, it seems like it would benefit the most with adding extra cards. I expected this expansion to offer that, but seems like there's just a couple of new extra cards. Can you share whether you guys plan to add plenty of new cards as expansions later down the road for Expditions? Thanks again, SM is my favorite publisher!
@jameystegmaier
@jameystegmaier 28 күн бұрын
This expansion adds 8 new starting cards and 5 new item cards. We felt that there were already enough meteorite cards, and it's either 0 or 20 cards for quests, as each is tied to a different location. There are currently no plans to make another expansion--we have ideas, but the future is entirely dependent on how the current expansion is received.
@ian_forbes
@ian_forbes 19 күн бұрын
Hi Jamie. I know there had been talk of possibly a component upgrade to the map tokens. I really like the bonuses for them now but will there be wooden/metal tokens for them down the line? No worries if not, I’ll wait for third party people to do it but always prefer official components when possible.
@jameystegmaier
@jameystegmaier 19 күн бұрын
Thanks for asking! Third parties can't make these tokens, as they're not ubiquitous. But we're happy to consider wooden versions.
@unclesamb
@unclesamb 29 күн бұрын
I'm curious what impact the influx of smaller value corruption seems to have on the flow of the game in your playtesting. It seems like this would accelerate players ability to achieve the the 7 corruption goal, potentially further accelerating the end of the game?
@jameystegmaier
@jameystegmaier 29 күн бұрын
It has a minimal impact, really just leading to slightly more variance in the tokens drawn and some feel-good moments. It's one of several elements of the expansion that speed up the game, which was part of the intention of the design.
@Orochi_001
@Orochi_001 12 күн бұрын
Somehow missed out on this. Will there be more Ironclad produced? Thanks!
@jameystegmaier
@jameystegmaier 12 күн бұрын
Absolutely! Make sure to make a back-in-stock request on our webstore.
@simongeni154
@simongeni154 17 күн бұрын
I have the Ironclad Version of Expeditions, but unfortunately i was to slow to order an ironclad version of the expansion. In the latest Champions Update you mentioned that the metal mechs will eventually sold separately and we could buy the normal version in the meantime, but will the 2 expansion metal mechs sold alone and how many base snaps would be in this option. Some of my mechs didnt´t fit well in the original ones.
@jameystegmaier
@jameystegmaier 16 күн бұрын
When we offer metal mechs by themselves, we'll include the revised base snaps with them (all 6 of them).
@cpmriise1
@cpmriise1 29 күн бұрын
Hello Jamey. This may be a strange question, but what is the size of the new map tokens? I am hoping to secure them into coin cases if possible. Thankyou
@jameystegmaier
@jameystegmaier 29 күн бұрын
By my measurements, the new map tokens are 28mm wide.
@cpmriise1
@cpmriise1 29 күн бұрын
@@jameystegmaier thankyou
@octavus4858
@octavus4858 26 күн бұрын
It looks intriguing to try! I am curious if one player could do something intentional or accidental and causing shock wave causing negative effects to everyone including that player. Would it still affect balance of competitive game?
@jameystegmaier
@jameystegmaier 26 күн бұрын
That's an interesting hypothetical design question. Can you think of an example in a multiplayer competitive game where it's fun to do something that hurts all players? I can't think of such an example offhand (other than in Magic, but that's typically just 2 players, and such effects often work there because you play those universally bad cards at times when they hurt your opponents much more than you. This is fine in a dueling game, but at higher player counts I'm not so sure).
@octavus4858
@octavus4858 25 күн бұрын
@@jameystegmaier thank you for answering. seems to be that although some effect may look good in theory when it comes to play testing - impression may be very different
@octavus4858
@octavus4858 25 күн бұрын
@@jameystegmaier regarding examples -for some reason I only can think about time factor as detriment for everybody. For example, in Maracaibo one player may push game clock to shorter game and achieve not so much hoping that other players would score even worse.
@austinjones5592
@austinjones5592 28 күн бұрын
One of the big issues my friends and I had with the game (For context we love scythe) was information overload while playing the game. How frequently the cards change + how much we had to think about with what cards we wanted never lent itself to really understanding what other players were doing. In drafting/deckbuilders I feel like an essentially part of the player interaction is stealing stuff your opponent might want. Here I felt so lost in the level of complexity of my own engine and combos that I never really knew what to sweep to block my opponents without like slowing down the game super hard by reading 3 different people's cards. All of my board game group echoed these sentiments. Does this feeling go away with more plays, or does this expansion address that at all?
@jameystegmaier
@jameystegmaier 28 күн бұрын
That's a great question. I wouldn't say that a core part of Expeditions is intentionally blocking your opponents or taking things they might want; your choices impact opponents, but I recommend focusing on what's good for you rather than what's bad for others.
@godzil42
@godzil42 26 күн бұрын
I love Scythe, but have to say Expedition is my new favourite, and I can't wait to get that expansion, I'm really interested into seing the new characters and the corrupted mechs. I like the gold worker being a wild worker, but I wonder if it should not count toward the star goal as you normally start with no workers meaning it is one less worker to gather, speeding up the game, though I suppose as all player get one, it is not that critical, and player can always agree that this worker do not count toward the goal.
@jameystegmaier
@jameystegmaier 26 күн бұрын
I'm glad you're enjoying Expeditions! The starting worker does indeed count towards the 7-worker goal. We found that fewer people go after that goal than the other goals, so having a head start on it doesn't change much.
@godzil42
@godzil42 26 күн бұрын
@@jameystegmaier fair enough, haven’t experienced that here yet, but understand your point there
@tomlikeabomb6706
@tomlikeabomb6706 29 күн бұрын
Do you need to be on the space with the corrupted mech to vanquish it?
@rodneydunn9611
@rodneydunn9611 29 күн бұрын
That is my question. Also, will the corrupted Mech occupy the same space as another player when dealing its penalty?
@jameystegmaier
@jameystegmaier 29 күн бұрын
You can't ever share a location with another mech, so vanquishing a corrupted mech happens from an adjacent location instead.
@rodneydunn9611
@rodneydunn9611 29 күн бұрын
Thank you! I am so excited for this expansion. The additions seem terrific.
@brian.montero
@brian.montero 29 күн бұрын
Probably too late for release, but can we get a purple base to denote the "corrupted mech" ?
@jameystegmaier
@jameystegmaier 29 күн бұрын
Definitely too late for the release. :) The corrupted mech is the only mech that won't have a base--that's how you'll know which one it is. Perhaps some people will create some fun 3D printed base options for it. :)
@brian.montero
@brian.montero 29 күн бұрын
@@jameystegmaier Thanks for the reply! Etsy will have to do. :)
@PeterMetzger
@PeterMetzger 18 күн бұрын
oh man, a 3D printed base with something like shards emerging out of a purple cloud would look so cool!
@amchasteenable
@amchasteenable 29 күн бұрын
The corrupted mech sounds awesome. I was hoping, similar to Lowlands, that all players would lose if it wasn’t defeated? If it was defeated, then the winner would be determined the normal way.
@jameystegmaier
@jameystegmaier 29 күн бұрын
That's an interesting twist! Maybe fun to try as a house rule. I didn't want to force players to eliminating the corrupted mech, though--I wanted it to be a choice.
@StevenStJohn-kj9eb
@StevenStJohn-kj9eb 29 күн бұрын
I wonder if you experimented with a special benefit for the player that removes the corrupted mech? Maybe that wouldn't be fair, since many players might contribute and then the player delivering the knockout blow gets the big prize, but I predict people will wonder about it. I can think of 2 ideas. One, the player who delivers the final blow gets not only the cards but also the mech, and the mech also counts 2 points at the end of the game. More interesting might be: the player who delivers the knockout blow gets to keep control of that mech. This mech wouldn't have any special power (and wouldn't share the power of the player's own mech), but it would give that player more reach - either mech could be used for a Move or Gather. (I see already the problem: that mech could camp out on a space and never be moved, hogging it for one player. So maybe it would be too complicated to add rules to avoid that problem.)
@jameystegmaier
@jameystegmaier 29 күн бұрын
Thanks for your question! Each corruption card you remove is treated as a corruption token for end-game scoring ($2 each), so that's the reward.
@stingray1666
@stingray1666 29 күн бұрын
Does the map get bigger at all with the expansion? I disliked how the base map didn’t scale with player count. And now the expansion brings another player and NPC?? The map will be super crowded.
@jameystegmaier
@jameystegmaier 29 күн бұрын
Expeditions has 40 quests that pair with specific locations, so you always play with exactly 20 locations.
@PurpleSmurfProds
@PurpleSmurfProds 29 күн бұрын
5 players and an optional NPC leaves 14 empty spaces. I don't think that's super crowded.
@tosteson1
@tosteson1 29 күн бұрын
My wife just stomped me 78 to 35. I had a great time. Normally we're within 6 points.
@jameystegmaier
@jameystegmaier 28 күн бұрын
That's a big win!
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