Ahh, it's like hannibal lecter

Another thing I always thought was odd was that, aside from flashbacks, the show always went out of it's way to never show Megatron in his robot mode when he was on Cybertron. Everytime he fell out of his command harness thing he reverted to beast mode and every time he went back in it he transformed back to robot mode which you can make out for a instant but that was all. I took it as maybe Megatron was embarrassed to be seen in his robot mode since it still had beast parts, one his arms was basically a dragon's head. I don't know, there were a lot of inconsistencies between Beast Wars and Beast Machines. Megatron, for example, seemed to almost revel in his beast forms, especially the dragon, in Beast Wars but was disgusted by it in Beast Machines.

@@177SCmaro Asides from the actual Transmetal II Megs model itself actually having no texture changes compared to the more mutilated, scarred, almost sickly looking dragon mode, I think it makes sense that he didn't really want to be seen as such, since he's had enough time alone to basically kill everyone but himself and choose to blame the beast mode for his humiliation on Earth since there were no tarantulas or raptors to blame (didn't know about Dinobot II sending the shuttle data) for his defeat on the Nemesis.

@@neuronoc.7343 Yeah, maybe. Megaton's physiological state is an interesting thing to consider given it has real world implications especially among people who self-harm or with body issues/see their own body, or aspects of it, as the source of all their problems in life. Megatron's greatest character flaw has always been his own self-important megalomania, his own inflated ego, leading him to blame every failure on someone or something external to himself/his own mind. Blaming his transmetal beast mode, despite it having nothing to do with his failure and actually being a product of his own quest for power (he deliberately chose to temporarily carry the Spark of the original Megatron to augment his body as had happened to Optimus) definity falls into the pattern. Ultimately, Megatron's "Beast" wasn't without, it was within - his own selfishness and egocentrism, his vanity, was the beast Megatron could never overcome or separate from himself and was, eventually, his own undoing.

​@177SCmaro I mean he could take the head off, the wings on the other hand, yeah😅😅😅 he was stuck with them

with a crippled pealed dragon corpse mangled underneath

@@kR-qj7rw Yeah It's just Transmetal 2 Megatron in a Rugby Suit

Well he was attempting to remove his beast mode, so it’s not like he was being hypocritical.

it makes you wonder what happened to his robot form between the end of beast wars and here.

@@Laserbeak316 Megatron was hypocritical in a sense. As one of his drones pointed out, it was possible to simply remove his spark and place it in another body but Megatron feared being put in this vulnerable state so much he hung onto his current body and it's beast mode. In other words, maintaining his organic components was worth it to him to not risk his life yet he expected others to risk theirs and to purge their organics from themselves and he was even willing to impose this on them by force, something he was not willing to do himself.

My mind is fucking blown right now holy shit 😱

@@saviitrius Megatron took the saying in a literal sense.

` ` Til All are One...` ` ` `Ｔ ｉ ｌ ａ ｌ ｌ ａ ｒ ｅ O̸͗ͅ ̶̪̩̎̊ ̷͉̕ ̸̗͆̽N̶̦̂͂ ̷̬̬̂͐ ̶̫͊͠ ̵͖̮̓̓E̵̲͗ ` `

@@nicholascapeheart1422 Exactly. Creepy isn't it?

@@TarboGreatApe its creepy..and Morbidly Ironic

PAUL KING what people don’t really like is how he becomes this. It’s a complete 180 from what Megatron was in BW to what he becomes in BM. His original goal was to rule Cybertron along with his fellow Predacon brethren. Now he’s developed this god complex. This ideology of technological perfection. Many fans are confused as to what would cause him to become what we see him as in beast machines. I have my own theory. That theory is that his experiences during the Beast Wars caused him to really fall out of place with everyone else. What I mean is that it was likely the constant betrayals from his subordinates( Dinobot, Starscream but then again he was expecting that one considering his history of treachery, Terrorsaur, Blackarachnia, Tarantulas, Quickstrike, Waspinator,though he abandoned the cons due to being constantly blown up so you can take this part with a grain of salt, and then finally, Transmetal 2 Dinobot) that was the first steps to this god complex. He hated betrayal, hated those who wanted to destroy him and take his place. He believed that the organic modes that these subordinates took were the cause of the betrayals. That their beast modes caused them to act out irrationally, rather than working cohesively. That their own ideas were what lead to the Predacons defeat, which could explain as to why he hates organics and/or organic beast modes. And he believed that with a single, hive-mind like intelligence, that no one would ever betray him again.

@@kevinsanchez4808 Now that's an awesome theory, I just believed that he had a god complex and I never had a problem with him to begin with.

I agree - Megatron's god complex and hatred of organic modes are likely a result of all the betrayals and defeats he suffered over the course of the Beast Wars. Not to mention temporarily sharing his body with the spark of the G1 Megatron may have had long-term effects on his sanity as well.

MegaFafnir that’s another fair point. I know he returned G1 Megatron’s spark back to him, but you’re right. Having his spark mingled with his own may have caused long term effects on him. One other thing about the betrayals is how they start with Dinobot, and end with Dinobot. So Dinobot may very well have had a big influence on how Megatron would become in Beast Machines. As well as what Ravage told him. “I served under the original Megatron. You have his name, but not his army”. So Ravages’ words also carried a good degree of weight.

Keep in mind that developed a distaste for individuality, as he doesn’t seem to value the presence of his generals; the TF wiki even states that he prefers mindless drones

I would argue that he wasn’t the greatest for one reason. He failed to achieve to original design. Beast wars Megatron original goal was to gather enough energeon on earth to conquer cybertron. Or to kill Optimus Prime so when the decepticons awake they conquer the planet unchallenged. There is way more to this story my theory has been that Megatron tried to rally the predacons to rise up offering the advancements he made on earth to them and them refusing him.

@@Phantom19913 Oh, the Energon gathering was done due to the real plan of altering history being far too risky. But due to the Maximals efforts, Beast Megatrons plans started to go more insane as the story went on. I would still argue that he was the greastest villain in atleast the western Beast Wars continuity, especially due to the Spark Wars in Beast Machines. On other continuities, this can be argued against, due to characters like IDW Shockwave, Overlord and Tarn, Cybertron Megatron/Galvatron and the Singularity Unicron.

@@SleepingGroke that’s the thing about megatrons plan. It’s always rotating changing to the latest discovery the purge of the organic on cybertron, the whole becoming a god. But of what an empty and dead planet. Then let’s talk about why he suddenly hates free will and beast modes is because he lost the beast wars and hated the reminder of it.

@@Phantom19913 His hatred for beast modes and anything organic? Can't really say that he ever cared for the beast modes, it was mostly for protection for the raw energon radiation, and the Transmetal upgrades were either forced on by transwarp energy or a grasp for power with the G1 Megatrons spark. I would argue that if he had the chance during the Beast Wars to get rid of the beast mode, he would have. The hatred for free will however can be blamed on the predacon crew he had. Being backstabbed at any opportunity the likes of Terrorsaur, Tarantulas and Blackarachnia had, the constant failures of Scorponok and Waspinator, the unpredictability of Rampage, Inferno and Quickstrike. Beast Megatron only used them because those were his best option at the time, but when he managed to get back to Cybertron, the madness caused by the Beast Wars was given the opportunity to go all out.

Adam Santer i could totally believe this Megatron would try to replace Primus and take control of all of Cybertron, including the ability to transform it. Then he might just spread his conquest to the entire galaxy at that point. We’re doomed.

@@crimsondynamo615 God-wannabe villains are the best kind of villains

He could potentially defeat a Primacronian Unicron, like the one featured in The Transformers: The Movie. He could also defeat some Non-Singularity Unicorns, like the one in the Prime Wars Trilogy, but probably not the one in the IDW comics. It is too close to call against the Uniend Singularity Unicron, especially because it was morphed into the Multiverse Singularity Unicron, when the barrier between the Aligned Continuity and the rest of the multiverse was breached by the Dark Spark Event. He might barely win against the Negative Polarity Unicron. Finally, he would only stand a small chance of beating the Multiversal Singularity Unicron if he gains the power of Logos Prime, also known as Soundblaster. In one timeline the Prime was intending to give all of his power to either a Optimus Primal or a BW Megatron. While that did not happen, it is possible that he tried again later. Allowing BW Megatron to have almost as much power over time as Vector Prime.

@@cossaizy6309 ikr

Absolutely.

Not the most enjoyable

Being a dark, pure evil psychopath is very enjoyable.

@@LordExor honestly to me his whole plan just seemed to amount to "i'm gonna take away all free will so no one can argue against me" like there wasn't much depth to him.

@@pforgottonsoul What do you consider to be depth?

Yeeeeeeees

keep megatron of yours i'll take soundwave

He certainly accomplished more than any other Megatron to date. He won. In the finale he was mere seconds away from usurping Primus and becoming the god of a new generation of Cybertronians. Somewhat reminiscent of Makuta Teridax from Bionicle

Skywalker The Hedgefox keep your sound wave lol. This Megatron accomplished more than any other transformers villain ever written.

I agree

@@FireFeather214 prime Megatron almost

Yesssssss...............

If Jhaxus ever showed up in a cartoon, David Kaye should voice him. Despite Jhaxus acting like he's beyond the petty Deception/Autobot conflict, he was still an egomaniac who didn't care about anyone. In short, just like Megatron here in BM.

Nazar Alaboosi I don't see any "hokey" helmet on him.

+Nazar Alaboosi No it doesn't.

It doesn't look anything like a football helmet.

+Nazar Alaboosi You care enough to bring it up apparently.

Shiro Nogitsune that was not helpful

While that may be true, and while this exact form of takeover suits Beast Megatron to a “T”... I find it odd that he wants to purge himself of that powerful Dragon Beast Mode. Or that he treats it as a significantly harder task than switching to his pre-BW body.

@@kylestubbs8867 he's had time to think with himself until he feels disgust. In beast wars it was always supposed to be a temporary measure. I guess he regretted in retrospect. We don't know what he was like pre beast

@Malcolm Williams aye, I like that theory

@@kylestubbs8867 It's possible all the Transmetal upgrades and spark absorption messed up his body, but at the same time, Optimal Optimus went back to BW Season 1 Primal easily enough (tho that was because of a virus that eventually kills the target, so if that's his only option, it makes sense why he wouldn't take it).

I think it's his obsession with power that led him to hate his beast self. After achieving his ultimate goal of ruling cybertron he became obsessed with how to keep his power indefinitely. But his beast half proved to be an obstacle to that goal and like any obstacle in his way to power Megatron grew to hate it.

David Kaye liked Beast Machines?

I'm certain Welker agrees.

i agree

@@caelusprime5278 Megatron is his favourite role of his own. So I am not surprised that he likes Beast Machines.

Wow... It was beautiful written

Fuck dude, I just thought he was just trying to not be hypocritical. What's interesting is that when the drone said he had a subconscious desire to keep his beast mode, Megatron didn't deny it. He just told the drone to leave.

@@saviitrius what episode was that

@@Alison-bn8vi I think it was "The Weak Component".

@@saviitrius Aw fuck that episode

Also in the cancelled season 4 of Animated Megatron would get a new design with a mask on it similar to this

I think more so with Bayverse Galvatron than Megatron.

Yeah. The Bayverse Megatron headsculpt has a striking resemblance to the Grand Mal.

Idk, I find something...almost forced in this version. This Megatron is a megalomaniac, desperately seeking his own ends. He's not completely grounded, and in reaching too high, makes a spoiled brat of himself. Welker's Megatron could be power-crazed, but there was always the foundation of a (mostly) realistic commander. He always felt more /mature/ to me.

Well, you're looking MUCH deeper into the voice than I am. I just enjoy the deep menacing tones.

Lol thanks. Can't help it. Consuming all media analytically heightens my enjoyment. Must be a Lit Major's tendency. :)

John Canary Hugo weaving and David Kaye are the best Megatron actors

Novus Talks weaving can’t even hold a candle to either Kaye or Welker imo.

How does that suit cover him whenever he transforms to his robotic form? Like his dragon arm is a part of him and I'm assuming his eyes aren't the same normal like in BW because of the suit.

I’m fairly sure without the suit he’d look pretty close if not on point with his BW transmetal 2 form

@@DaScorpionSting The suit actually has a separate pair of arms that interface with Megatron's head, and his eyes are more bestial and psychotic looking for the same reason Optimus Primal was brown just before becoming a transmetal: because Mainframe decided they could.

I mean, it’s just the Transmetal 2 body he got near the end of Beast Wars. Albeit with some cosmetic changes from attempts at removing his beast mode. So it isn’t anything we haven’t already seen before.

That glimpse was just footage from season 3, not even an altered model. Course I can almost see the logic in not creating an entire brand new model that only gets three seconds at most of screen time any time he has one of his anger issues.

jthyn44 *mine*

I think if Kaye voiced Movie Megatron, this deep voice would work.

@@pp-wl1tf YESSSSSSS

And he doesn't say "Yes" as much as he used to

@@lightheart5 "No."

Wow! Thank you so much for your contributions! I've always loved the show's designs and art style. Megatron's design was amazing! What inspired your design process, if I may ask?

@@LordExor Funny you should ask, I just posted a video about it: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/h56HhraFsayzpKs.html I don't touch on Megatron in the video but I think I'll be doing a longer, more in depth video on the Art Direction process of the video down the road.

Well yeah, he actually contributes to the themes of the show which is rare for Transformers

Sad thing is that there is truth to that. Many misanthropic collectivist ideologies are down right obsessed with their fever dream of utopia.

Black arachnia was a maximal to begin with!

Though he didn't learn a thing from "Dark Designs" in season 1 of Beast Wars from recycling Rhinox's spark into Tankor because Tankor then schemed to betray and dispose of him and take over as ruler when Rhinox was reawakened just as he was gonna do in that episode.

@@sgtmyers88 very good point in that episode it was shown that if flipped to evil Rinox can an even worse betrayal master. So I guess megaton forgot about that little detail. Oh well.. his mistake. Oops 😅

and of the 3 only thrust stayed loyal as waspinator liked being useful.

@@megamike15 yes very good point. And I get the feeling that waspinator aka thrust likes working for Magatron. As long as the job doesn’t involve getting blown up too often.

I think Diamonbolt explained it best in his Ruined Forever video. Go check out his video to see.

Exactly

It may be bad but god better than......yeah that prime continuity didn't deserve to exist

​@@uainjansun You mean TF PRIME? W

​@@uainjansun Transformers Prime is definitely better than this by miles.

Beast Era Megs in general is the best

Alirio Mendez I wish this version could have stuck around longer .

Thats what makes him good. I never liked villains in kid shows that never did anything but talk and fail. Its boring. This megatron is probably the most dictatorial villain I've ever seen in a children's cartoon. He never killed anyone but all his speeches were menacing.

I didn’t watch BW, but from what I heard, near the end of the BW series, things became somewhat childish. I even saw a clip of Dragon Megatron wearing a powdered wig to look like a judge or something.

@@lel0uchvibritannia981 It wasn't towards the end. BW always had a humourous flair. But to say it was childish... Definitely not. More main characters died in BW than they did in BM. Hell, BW got really heavy in some places. Tbh it got heavier towards the end.

Honestly, prolly years of pent up hatred over losing, years of planning, and imo... Generation 1 Megatron is still kicking there in a way...even if his spark is supposedly back within its body lmao, so it's also likely a pure evil Decepticon side effect

Only... inverted. Like the Scissors in _Sticker Star_ suddenly being a boss in _Origami King._

Vergil: im OP as both

No they weren't

+Lord Proteus It's interesting how he underwent a character development usually reserved for protagonists. In Beast Wars he was the adventuring Prince; Jovial, young and rash but with a certain brilliance, out for victory and to forge a name for himself. In Beast Machines we see the Prince has become the King, Emperor even; Stoical, calculating, confident and experienced. This megatron isn't just the prodigy he was before, he now has the experience to back him up. He won a war, he defeated a planet. He knows what he's capable of and doesn't need to be cautious, not in the same manner as the Beast Wars era Megatron. If anyone was worthy of fearful respect, it's this incarnation of Megatron.

***** It had a bit of a more relatable story as well, what with finding balance between technology and nature.

+Shiro Nogitsune Having watched both shows over again, it's unnerving to know this was the same character having changed so drastically. It really solidifies his insanity, having gone from the somewhat charming, aspiring warlord to a complete and utter psychopath.

Having G1 Megatron's spark inside him probably had something to do with that.

John Canary Huh, I never thought of it that way but you're probably right.

My only issue with Beast Machines is just how they changed Optimus personality from being a strong leader for ancestral peace (like in BW Episode 1) rather than him wanting to turn everything into plants literally.

@@GeteMachine Agreed that Optimus was lamer. He basically became a nature loving shaman who spent a bunch of time mediating.

for me the only mistakes of beast machines were the change in the personality of optimus, rhinox becoming a villain and the ending of waspinator

Shadow Ninja I feel it's a natural continuation of the meeting between organic and mechanical parts we already got in Beast Wars

He said "yeeeeesss" multiple times in Season 1. I always considered it odd that so many people missed that. Most of the time, it's spoken with a sinister hiss rather than performed as a jovial embellishment, although the latter Beast Wars variant is present as well.

@@LordExor Does he?!? I only remember hearing it like 2-3 times, and then by Season 2's finale, he starts using it a lot again once his new body starts being built

@@DisneyNAW Not with as much frequency as Beast Wars, but I recall four times in Season 1 and five times in Season 2. Megatron has less screen time in Beast Machines overall, with several episodes not even featuring him. They were more reserved with its use, but when he does say it, it's typically more impactful. They do a better job keeping the character consistent with his Beast Wars self than people give them credit for.

Arthus850 dude you should work for IDW

Arthus850 These are some great ideas, I like BM also but I do agree it would have been more interesting to go this route.

As for how he destroyed the life on the allied planets so quickly, he used his transformer virus on the robotic planets and has a second virus that reduces organic life to ash on the molecular level in a matter of seconds. But he didn't use it on Cybertron for reasons that the human resistance doesn't know but are greatful for. Cybertron is a technosphere, so it wouldn't affect the planet. He could have easily destroyed the humans using that, so why didn't he? Then they meet the Maximals and finally get their answer; the organic core. Even a small use of the organic virus would infect it, and as much as Megatron wants it gone, he knows that using the virus would cause Cybertron to fall apart. So he can't use the organic virus to eradicate the human resistance, so instead he has to hunt them down the old fashioned way.

Considering Mainframe's previous work with human models on Reboot, having a mix of humans and Transformers in the same show wouldn't be very difficult.

I think the Transtech franchise would have gone into some of that, if Hasbro had decided to go with it instead of cancelling the Beast Era to import cheesy anime Transformers from Japan.

And TF Prime Starscream was... hell on heels for Megatron

Normal Cybertron has no free will?

The beast era gave rise to a lot of the most popular concepts in transformers history at least some of the most favorited in the aligned continuity

+Mike Gilbert it didn't not make any mistakes at all.

+Bunny Speed It was mostly around Cybertron's origins.

Mike Gilbert the oracle was around long before primus.

+Bunny Speed I guess some people didn't quite understand how Cybertron was an organic planet before becoming a machine one.

Mike Gilbert maybe the oracle is a goddess who made a deal with the creater's of cybertron to still have some of the organic around but within it's core.

Lol...remember on an episode called, Dark Design where Megatron reprogramed Rhinox as a Predicon and at the end of the episode he said they all have personality problems. lol. I was through smh

Yeah but this seems WAY TOO OOC even for Beast Wars Megatron. He wanted to rule yes but an idealistic crusade against all organic life to the point he's even trying to rid of himself of his own beast mode? I just feel like he went a bit nuts when he arrived on Cybertron a few weeks early. Then again honestly I don't like nor consider Beast Machines to be canon cause I will never forgive what this show did to Rinox.

Webshooters1 Out of character merely a term we fans use to force a character into a box to preserve our status quo. Most fans don't actually understand the characters not their core anyway instead they define them by whatever personality traits are most prominent. BM didn't make them out of character it revealed who they actually were beneath the surface most of them anyway. Let's look at Rattrap he was always a warrior always had the best weapons and was always cocky now take that character and strip away his weapons strip away his combat put him in a body with no weapons or means to physically defend itself. The cocky warrior is now powerless and a coward is revealed. Now Rattrap has a choice he can either redefine himself and find a new place or that coward will define him. That's the point of The Weak Component Rattrap has become so powerless and weak that he violates his principles. His whole perspective of Dinobot was never justified Rattrap never faced a situation that made him question who he was he never felt that lost how could he know what one would do now he does and just like Dinobot he makes the right choice and redefines himself. Silverbolt, in BW Silverbolt gave us glimpses of who he really was. Whenever his code failed him or someone he loved was hurt a savage and vengeful individual was revealed that his Knight code would bury shortly after. So who is Silverbolt without his code strip that away what are you left with you're left with a vengeful warrior. That's what happened Silverbolt had his honor and code stripped away from him and he liked it he liked being that free which fits his darker moments in BW, if his code was a sham this whole time than who is he? Who is Silverbolt beneath it all even his fans never asked who he was beyond his chivalry and honor. Rhinox was someone who valued nature and loved life now what happens Rhinox has that love of life turned against him. He risked everything to stop Megatron and none of it mattered yet another war began this one wiped out his species. Megatron used his free will to kill his species once there was no more free will there was peace now the maximals are trying to stop him yet Cybertron is at peace there is no war because no one disagrees while nature and individuality cause conflict and death and destruction. Megatron isn't wrong that's the scary part after an eternity Cybertron is at peace because there's no individuality, people use their free will to kill it's what Megatron did. Rhinox had everything he believed turned against him and it broke and corrupted him. None of these characters were ruined they were just put in situations that took what defined them and turned it against them forcing them to redefine themselves and some were broken by it. There's no such thing as being out of character because there is no consistent characterization for an individual, if you had everything that you defined yourself with stripped away you seriously wouldn't change massively it wouldn't crush you to pieces, you wouldn't become someone else?

Well said.

I said the villains were out of character. If you took Beast Wars Megatron and compared him to his Beast Machines counterpart you'd get complete tonal whiplash. This Megatron lost everything that made him unique and stand out as his own instead becoming a generic villain. The wit and banter gone and stripped bare. As for Rinox he is also out of character. The Rinox I watched wouldn't be broken by what happened. He would still fight because at it's core if you don't have any free will you might as well be dead. Rinox understands that. Tankor doesn't. Can you understand how much of a betrayal it was to see Rinox turn upon his own friends and eventually Megatron himself even though he failed? As far as I'm concerned, that was not Rinox, when Megatron reprogrammed those bodies to house sparks he altered their persoanlites rendering alot of what you say moot because they weren't themselves but dark, twisted versions of who they once were.

Nice reference.

Yesss. I may have PTSD, but THAT is a f*cking Maximal!

He didn't know that

@@lightheart5 Or does he

@@leo11lim He doesn't

SAME. SAME......same.

Story or animation wise?

@@fasterthandragons7908 probably BOTH

Blackarachnia’s new design creeped me out and the music that plays when megatron is on screen is pretty unnerving but cool.

Not me

That would be because it's the same character. Expunging the evils of free will is yet another hypocritical pretension in service of his unchained megalomania, similar to how he would rant over the "oppression" of the Predacons, when in reality he never cared about anyone but himself. He can talk all he wants about the negative ramifications of free will, but he still believes in his own free will; that's the only will that matters. At the end of the day he's always been a grandiose malignant narcissist with a god complex.

@@LordExor Oh I know they're the same character, which is why I said "again". It's just that it has been so long since we have heard him say 'Yeeeeesssss", something he used to do alot in BW. Same with the laugh that he does right after.

@@MrGiselbart He said it a lot more in Beast Wars, but he does say it here. He says it once in the first season, and then at least three times in the second. It tends to be delivered with a more sinister relish in Beast Machines.

and Iacon

And the Hate Plague.

beast machines is the best,not the worst!

How?

Jordan Ehdieb The burden of proof is on you, friend. You made the claim Beast Machines was the worst series, now provide us with what I can only imagine will be a well-constructed argument proving as such.

You want an argument? Alright. Where shall I begin? Ah yeeesss. Let's start with the premise. The idea of the entire series beginning with the maximals making a stupid mistake is ridiculous, but it's plausible and makes sense so whatever. I like the setting, the atmosphere and the idea that Megatron has taken over Cybertron. The music is okay but the theme tune could be better, since its tempo is too high IMO. The animation by Mainframe is ofc excellent, and I love the expressiveness of the characters, which is something I love about Beast Wars. The voice acting is OK to very good with Kaye's Megatron being the best imo. Of course by now you're probably wondering why I said it was the worst series. Where the series fails is in its moral, its message, its delusion of grandeur and its failure to escape from tired old cliches that prevent it from being more than a half baked cookie. It tries to tackle weighty concepts, but oversimplifies and ends up being nothing more than another good vs evil story. Megatron is presented as evil and optimus as good, yet in reality optimus' cause is hollow and misguided, but he is followed as the hero throughout and, because it's clichéd rubbish, he wins in the end with no explanation and no sense. He magically gains the ability to turn mechanical matter into organic and defeats Megatron thanks to cheating. I mean seriously it's the worst ending ever, and I could not help but feel sorry for Megatron as he fell down the hole, because he wasn't defeated by a worthy adversary but bad writing. Let's now move on to the inconsistencies and retcons. So in G1 (which this series claims to be a continuation of) it is established that Cybertron is an entirely mechanical planet built by the Quintessons as a factory. Now all of a sudden the planet has fossils, stone and, more unbelievably, an "organic core". Wtf does that even mean? How the hell can a planet, if not a space factory but a proper planet, have a core of anything but metal, molten or not? It makes no sense! Then of course we have the Oracle. What. The. Hell. So not only do we have the organic core bullshit but now we have this insane ai that thinks the planet should be "balanced"? Who the hell built that ai? Who built Cybertron if not the Quintessons? Why would that ai suddenly start thinking the way it does after millions of years of Cybertron's existence? I could ask a hundred questions and there would be no answer because the writing is terrible. Then of course we have the much loved redesigns of the Maximals (sarcasm). What the hell were they thinking? They don't look like badass robots they look like mutant freaks! Then the combat. The endless boring action scenes that are poorly animated, poorly paced and poorly choreographed. Example, in the video Optimus gets dragon-Megatron in a headlock then Megatron blasts a mirror and they magically separate? Wtf is that?

The only good fight is between Optimal Megatron and Primal at the end, and that one is far too short. The maximals all have lame abilities, they're weak and their new forms are blatant toy selling techniques as they were in Beast Wars. Yet always I go back to that damned ending. It's horrendous. It's an abomination. It's the lamest copout ever just so crazy nutcase Primal can win and turn Cybertron into a mess. All the way throughout the story Megatron is presented as having the most logical, sensible cause and yet he loses to a cheating bastard and a malfunctioning ai. It's not satisfying at all. Overall the series tries to be clever but is let down by many many things and ends up just being dumb.

Now how do you figure that?Gman The Eldritch

Caithness19 Its David Kaye. No more explanation needed.

That’s good. Because it was also his last.

Whenever villains lose control of their creations, I always think back to this. Dr. Gero could learn a thing or two from Megatron.

True

That could be part of it. I think the idea behind hating organics, thematically, was the association with nature as uncontrollable and chaotic. Megatron wants to create a world of perfect order without unpredictability or deviation. Basically, Megatron is a control freak; he has major control issues. His own beast form reminds him of his own tenuous grasp on control since his emotions can blossom into unproductive rage. So, he sees organics as a contamination because they propagate chaos in an alleged utopia of efficient machines.

@@LordExor there alternative universe where bw megatron wins BW

Those reasons and beign fused with G1 Megs spark to long ended up making him what he is in Beast Machines.

*Transmetal 2*

Oh now he's like Thanos.

Natalia Watson TFP megatron already has a vehicon army

Autobot Sideswipe True, but while it's not confirmed that they have sparks, the comics released in Russia portray TFP vehicons as individuals. Unique personalities (heck, even unique voices; whenever one of them got lines in the show, they didn't lean on just one member of the main cast) in generic bodies. I still personally think TFP Megs had limits that simply don't exist for Beast!Megs. I think TFP Megs would enjoy kicking the scrap out of Beast!Megs, in fact, I think he might even let Optimus help, he'd hate him so much.

Natalia Watson Technically this Megatron was a Predicon theif who named himself after the Decepticon leader Megatron. Weird, I know.

@@its-amemegatron.9521 Well according to Nemesis Part 1/2 in Beast Wars, he was named after a totally unrelated Megatron from before G1 Megs, but that's pretty much been forgotten by all but the most devoted lore nerds (and not for lack of reason).

@@selinawalsh9075 Megatronus. The fallen.

He has a glorious evil laugh.

Devin Leber yep, just reused the animation. Didn’t even bother changing the textures either so it looks like he’s still fully organic and not hacked up to pieces from him trying to get the organic off of him.

It kinda reminds me of Prime Starscream.

Paul Dobson is just great

Megatron's definitely up there, but I don't know about worse than Palpatine. They're very similar characters though.