Don't worry about it Kyle. In fact I respect you more for owning up straight away. Loving this channel.

Ha you block head... just kidding very nice work on this video.. you gave us tons of information in just a few short minutes. Thanks

No worries! No one is perfect! Love your channel. I share some of your videos with others.

As a map lover, say 10 Hail Amerigo Vespucis. That's should absolve you! 😇

I forgive you

There is something to be said about city population.

I agree. I feel like city proper in the U.S. does not show the true size of a city/area.

@@jnyerere Especially thanks to those damn suburbs

I agree. Generally, metro areas work as one integrated unit, with all parts dependent on other parts no matter what local government area they fall into. In Australia, where I live, we always refer to the entire metropolitan area when stating the population of our cities. If we did it the way Americans do, Sydney would only have 250,000 people, rather than 5.2 million. Similarly, Melbourne would have 135,000, rather than 5 million.

You don’t think it matters if a city has a hundred thousand or a million? It matters greatly.

Respite or despite?

People like Orlando because its not expensive and has good weather, and it's safer from hurricanes than the coast

@@impassable I live on the coast so I’m a little biased, but the ocean is built in climate control and gives us a more consistent cooler temperature. And I don’t like Orlando and the whole theme park mumbo jumbo, but Orlando is so much nicer than suburban sprawl in Arizona and Southern California.

@Frigidlava speak for yourself. I love it, But I live in a place with a much less pleasant climate (Massachusetts)

right. been to orlando once and its MID and plus it doent even look like a well developed city idk how to explain

Sprawling cities? Man, stay away from DFW then. 😂

I’m a population geek myself, too. Love what you brought up about metro areas changing names when one principal city in the metro outgrows another. I have been wondering about that, such as if Saint Paul outgrew Minneapolis, would they change the metro name to reflect which one was larger? Thanks for answering that. The only thing I would correct you on is that CSA’s can be any combination of metropolitan areas and micropolitan areas. CSA’s can combine metropolitan areas with other nearby metropolitan areas too (Cleveland and Akron for example), not just the combination of metropolitan areas with nearby micropolitan areas. (The Cleveland-Akron one is a bit confusing actually, as some people consider it one metro area, while others consider them separate metros that share a CSA. As cities grow, they bleed into each other, making it difficult and rather subjective to determine where one metro area ends and another begins. Generally speaking though, most people consider them separate metro areas, at least for now. However, that will almost inevitably change as the cities continue to grow and it becomes impossible to separate the two. In fact, in 2020, a regional planning group centered in Cuyahoga County lobbied the federal government to move Akron and Canton into Greater Cleveland. Regardless, they are all considered part of the CSA known as Northeast Ohio). Lastly, CSA’s can be combinations just of nearby/adjacent micropolitan areas, although this is far less common. There doesn’t have to be a metropolitan area involved for it to be a CSA. For example, the Steamboat Springs-Craig, CO Combined Statistical Area (CSA) is a combination of the Steamboat Springs, CO Micropolitan Statistical Area and the Craig, CO Micropolitan Statistical Area.

Mee too,i am interested about Dallas Arlington Forth Worth MArea,are thoses connected or separeted citiies?

I’d enjoy that as well, although around 1970, I recall an article projecting a dense megalopolis, tentatively named “BosWash”. That’s 50 years ago, and it’s still a long way off. Granted, the oil/energy crises of the later 1970’s hadn’t happened, and big northeast cities still had some manufacturing jobs, so ….

🤠 When Georgetown and Florence were nice lil' ol' rural spots....! 🐎🌄👋

Maybe the next DFW. ASA.

There’s still a little bit of nothing between San Marcos and Buda but yeah I agree

Yea it’s crazy. And in DFW he said most of the development is to the north but I live like 20 mins south and our county as a whole is growing like crazy. Also I didn’t know DFW had more population then the Houston metropolitan area did

@@gus473 There are still spots of Williamson County (Bartlett, Florence, Granger, Coupland) that feel very rural but Georgetown/Round Rock has morphed together, has morphed with Pflugerville and Hutto, and that has morphed with Austin. Lol

Yes 👍

Alaska is the same way just a lot less populated. Shipping costs are no joke.

Think alot of it must come down to population density. The place is super desirable but geographically restricted in terms of land cover.

fewer job opportunities there than places like NYC or LA or Boston

Let's face it, no matter how much the city grows, Honolulu's suburbs cannot spead across state lines.

It takes about an hour to drive between them, and there is some farmland and space within surprisingly

same with Sacramento and Roseville/folsom

If they build that train line between Kenosha and Milwaukee, then I would consider them linked.

If SLC's area was the size of Los Angeles, SLC would be one of the 10 most populous US cities. I did the math at one point, anyway, and that's what I came up with. Regardless, area has much to do with population.

I worked at the (old) airport for 15+ years and loved talking to tourists about the Wasatch Front. There were big ol' windows where I worked, so I could point up to Ben Lomand in Ogden and say, "You can almost see all the way to Idaho," which is quite an exaggeration, but to someone from Ohio or Florida or wherever, our topography is bonkers. I live in a tall-ish building in The Aves and can see all the way down the valley from my balcony. My friends in TX, MA, NJ, and CT are pretty sick of my Instagrams of the mountains and balcony views, haha.

I measured it out and it is about 96 miles north south by 17 miles east west at widest point. Still crazy to think it has a span that long considering the population.

@@willp.8120 Nice....mine was an estimation on my time living and driving the area...so not too far off haha.

@@willp.8120 Also, as it keeps growing the Tooele Valley will be added to the Metro area at some point as it's close for many to drive into SLC and to the South, the Saratoga Springs, the Ranches and Eagle Mountain areas are pretty much a part of the sprawl as well.

🤠 You're about 20 years too late: no easy commute to Austin anymore! 🚁

I'm in Killeen but grew up in western Michigan before moving here

Austin area is projected to have 4.5 million people by 2050.

But it’s not true. I live in Kenosha too. We are part of Chicago metro. Racine is even weirder it’s only part of Milwaukee in the CSA counts, and not counted in the the MSA counts.

guest guest geographyking mentioned at the beginning that he was going to be modifying and adjusting as he sees fit...which makes sense. I see more journal sentinel newspaper boxes compared to chicago tribune....I see the local news coverage as channels 4, 6, 12 & 58 covering kenosha more. The local high school sports also in a sense connects kenosha much more to Milwaukee that what does to chicago. Racine is yeah such a unique strange situation. I wish there was more regional connections, and the KRM train could help but would cost a lot of $$

You can catch a Metra train to Chicago.

@@fehzorz zero of trains are an express train so enjoy the many stops and over an hour train ride....far from making the argument that kenosha is deeply connected to chicago compared to Milwaukee. Listening to the two radio stations also incorporate kenosha further into Milwaukee's radio coverage. The idea that kenosha is so inexpensive, people from illinois are marching here to live has ended....while working in Milwaukee, I deal with employers who are trying to decide how to get people back in the office, they have mentioned that many people have moved during the past year, northshore, lake country to the west and an increased in ppl changing their residence to racine &kenosha.

@@rguest2009 Just wondering as a Kenosha resident which metro would you prefer the city to be in Milwaukee or Chicago?

@Sebastian Morales The Bishop Arts District is fun!

I am a DFW resident too but I live in the actual Dallas city limits in the Far Southeast Dallas area which is called Kleberg which branches off Southeast Dallas which is really Pleasant Grove or Parkdale areas of Dallas.The suburbs that are near are Mesquite,Balch Springs,Seagoville,and Wilmer Hutchins which this suburb city is kind of close by.Those suburbs are for most part quiet and a good place to raise a family.Meanwhile Pleasant Grove a.k. Southeast Dallas is pretty bad.Alot of crime there.There is alot of thefts,drugs,poverty,gangs of thugs,gun violence running rampant,and mainly black or Hispanic neighborhoods.The area I live at Kleberg a.k. Far Southeast Dallas is not suburb ish.Its urban and is starting turn into Pleasant Grove a little bit and that's not good.Yeah I am just explaining how my area of Dallas is.The good thing is that are alot of jobs in DFW so that's a positive.

Mmmm...no. Greater Atlanta's population density is less than DFW, so it sprawls with the worst of them. As for the city center, all of the major sunbelt cities are seeing growth with their cores, but that growth is nothing compared to the sprawl. And Atlanta is a horrible city for walkability. Isn't Atlanta the king of pedistrian fatalities?

@@Dallascaper 5 years ago, that is. The city already had ~100,000 people around the advent of the car, so Dekalb and Fulton were already somewhat built up. There are still fatalities but they do have the best bikeshare program in the sunbelt. (2nd in the US)

You need get your facts straight about Atlanta before you start speaking so negatively.. I find it’s strange always someone from Dallas n Houston area throwing shade at Atlanta..

Except for the violent crime. I’d stay in your car and drive during the day

By the same standards as the video, the UK would be three or four metro areas.

I think it is mostly due to the suburbs stringing along connecting what would appear to be separate areas. Houston has over a dozen cities as far apart as 75 miles but it is all still called Houston.

It's just down to the way suburbs and parks are dealt with. Columbus is a kinda perfect example. The core of the the city is there, then there are "spokes" following out to the "wheel". All of it *is* continuous, but the areas in between are kept green either for parks or because the city is growing into the space from the outside in, starting at the junctures of the spokes and wheel and working their way in. Once it is filled in and built up, a new wheel is laid down further out on the spokes and the process restarts, engulfing the areas already there. In this example, West Jeff and Marysville only have a matter of time before they become the next Dublin and Grove City.

@iguana72 I suspect the geographic scale of the two countries affect how things are viewed. If Great Britain is roughly the size of the six New England states, that would induce you to “zoom in” and visualize major cities as separate metro centers.

It’s because of the huge size disparity

Just to the east you have Bend Oregon which surprinsgly one of the fastest growing cities in the country which I always find odd as I drive through there and I am like, wait? Why are people moving here? And homes are very expensive too like 600k-700k so similar to Portland area I guess just people from Portland that are working from home? I don't see really any local tech boom it's just remote work.

@@drscopeify vacation homes, retirement and data center jobs. Prineville has Facebook, Google, Apple and a few more going in.

I have visited Cincy a couple of times recently (from Louisville) and loved the art museum and some nice little restaurants we found, on both sides of the river. And the Over The Rhine neighborhood was wonderful.

Cinci is my favorite Ohio city, and it’s hard for me to say anything good about Ohio considering where I’m from…

I don’t think Cincy gets enough credit, it’s actually a pretty fun place. I’m at Univ of Cincinnati now and I love the city.

@@alexnewberg6795 yea but it as well as Columbus will always be in the shadows of Cleveland its very very hard to compete with a major large market in Ohio like Cleveland

@@BIFC216 Columbus and Cincinnati are much nicer than Cleveland.

Providence is just a satellite city for Boston these days along with Worcester and Manchester nh the csa definition is really the best for metro excluding the western part of Worcester county which is rural. People in the suburban towns commute either way. The idea of providence being a separate metro is just a historical relic and because Rhode Island persists as a separate state.

I live in Los Angeles too. Where are you thinking of moving to?

@@kjhuang Hard to say at this point.

I moved from Houston to Las Cruces last year. Moved away 6 months later.

@@alfonsomunoz4424 That would be culture shock. What moved you away, and is it to another large city?

20 counties in Metro Atlanta (some definitions even go up to 30) sounds like a lot especially compared to, say, Metro Phoenix with 2 counties. But then you have to realize that Arizona has 15 counties and Georgia has 159, and Arizona is even twice the physical size of Georgia. So basically, Georgia counties are pretty small.

@@wwsciffsww3748 Arizona is close to double the size but not quite.

Exactly. I wish there was more natural areas on the East Coast. It’s a shame that most of it is just near the Canadian border and southern Florida

*National Park

the Cuyahoga valley park is beautiful! I agree that cle and Akron would be closer connected if it wasn't for that, but damn it's a great thing to have.

I know where you'll find lots of Clevelandites(what do you call yourselves) in the Tampa Bay area. Also there is a lot of people from Pittsburgh. It's so crazy how many have moved down here. It shouldn't surprise you that my father was from the Cleveland area.

@@janejones7638 Clevelanders 😂

It lost a tiny amount in the 2010 census. It was really fair to say it was standing still, rather than losing. In 2020, it may be more of a drop.

It is my goal to reverse that and build Pittsburgh to greatness once again

This is the comment I was looking for.

He would have to do two or three videos just on China. There are 160.

Tokyo has world's largest metro area

Some MSA and CSA areas are calculated in an inconsistent manner, that's local or arbitrary. Santa Fe is combined with ABQ in one system, giving them over 1M population...they are 50 miles apart with little population between, though some people work and live in the other. (they aren't unique in that) Denver either includes Boulder (with Greeley and Ft Collins - not even nearby or related), or it leaves out related Boulder and Broomfield. (connected except a few miles of preserved open space) I'm unsure how that issue is corrected in his mathod.

Tulsa punches above its weight class due to its history in the petroleum industry. There are quite a few museums and other nice touches where people like the Phillips Family (Phillips 66 fame) donated huge portions of their wealth to make Tulsa a nicer city. To me there’s a more “older, established, eastern” feel to Tulsa than there is in Oklahoma City. That said, OKC seems to be more dynamic and growing nowadays.

Looking at development on the Illinois side, it is patchy. It is like you have East St. Louis then a gap. Then you have a north south cluster of cities north of Belleville that goes down to Belleville. Around that a lot of nothing, and then a few cities north along the river like Alton. Why the patchwork nature of it all?

@@willp.8120Most of these towns were separated by vast cornfields until recent years. Now East St. Louis, Belleville, Washington Park, Fairview Heights, Swansea, Shiloh, O'Fallon and Scott Air Force Base all border each other. However, the bulk of the new residential and commercial development in St. Clair County has been in O'Fallon and Shiloh.

Went to SIUE for college and lived in great metro East areas. Edwardsville is huge now. I live in St. Louis City now but love my Illinois peoples!

I was born in the Town of Cary in the 80s

Minneapolis is like 10 miles from St Paul and Raleigh is 30 miles from Durham.

@@pullt they have bordering counties from eachother they both do and your comparing downtown distances. Raleigh and Durham border eachother city lines right by 540

@@KBJ910 Sure, the city lines border each other, but there's a good bit of gap once you venture north or south of I-40

As a resident I would say that Raleigh-Durham-Chapel Hill should actually clearly be a Metropolitan Statistical Area rather than a Combined Statistical Area. Designating Raleigh-Cary and Durham-Chapel Hill as two separate MSAs is ridiculous and probably just a mistake. Although I suppose it's possible there could be some ulterior motive.

It is probably the biggest goof in the census data tabulations that "Raleigh-Cary" and "Durham-Chapel Hill" are considered two distinct metropolitan areas when it is clearly one metro area. Was glad to see Geography King use the true Triangle region population in his ranking.

I used to live in Stillwater and I would visit Tulsa and Oklahoma City regularly. I liked both though if I had to choose I'd probably live in OKC. And yeah both cities have more to do than they're given credit for. My favorite thing about Tulsa is Circle Cinema, on Lewis near 1st.

shoutout tulsa 🫡

Wow that sucks. I'm literally in Greensboro NC right now typing this.

🤦🏻‍♂️ Whoopsie..... 🤷🏻‍♂️

@@GeographyKing Good catch...I'm like 10 minutes from that station and can confirm. It's in Tysons, VA aka NOVA

Lol. The city limits of Minneapolis and St. Paul alone have a combined population of 750,000. And there are layers upon layers of Suburbs in every direction and it’s expanding outward dramatically. We’re now projected to surpass 4,000,000 by 2030!

Actually the Combined Statistical Area for the Twin Cities is over 4 million now.

Cincinnati is simultaneously the prettiest and most annoying to navigate for me. I'm about as far from there as Columbus but I always feel more connected with and hopeful of the latter.

I’d include Pittsburgh and Providence in that list

He said one of

I'm at the mercy of creative commons photos. You'd think there'd be better ones to choose from, but it's not always the case.

The population growth of metro Las Vegas is wild. Back in 2000, it was approaching Omaha’s size. Now it’s as big as metro St. Louis. I wonder how long it will be before it’s a top ten metro.

The Census Bureau includes either an enitre county in the Metro Area, or none of it. I'm guessing Kyle is including the parts of outlying counties that are genuinely urbanized from the rural portions, and including only the urbanized parts. I should let him speak, but that's my theory.

Yeah he also gave Milwaukee a ton of population and given the fact Kenosha county wi (on the county line) is considered Chicago metro in all counts and Racine County Wi on in the CSA counts.

I have to agree with you Max, because the info I found also had the Chicago metro population at around 9.6 million. Yes the info I found also had it slightly growing and not shrinking as well. My sources include Census Reporter, Wikipedia, WBEZ, Chicago Sun Times, and ABC 7. This video as far as I'm concerned at the moment is not accurate when it comes to Chicago. Also makes me question how he got the sources for the other cities as well. I to would like to know his methodology. It would be nice if he said what that was or provided citations to that methodology.

This man totally messed up Chicago's metro numbers. Even if you count Kenosha in Milwaukee's metro instead of Chicago, Chicago metro is not losing population... People just love to hate on Chicago whether or not it was intentional.

Growth since 2010 doesn't mean current growth. Most of the growth was in the early 2010s. It's the same for Pittsburgh or Los Angeles County.

Thats never going to happen

It’s definitely happening

Add Toronto to Buffalo's metro as well.

I have seen metro Detroit include Windsor and Essex county on several lists.

@@JVR10893 toronto is really far from buffalo. it would be like connecting detroit and cleveland. you could add st. catharines to buffalo though

Hi Isaac, Yes, due to the Everglades, it’s difficult for Miami to grow westward since it would be massively expensive to drain the swamps. The other elongated north-south US urban area is Seattle. With Puget Sound on the west and the Cascade Mountains to the immediate east, the Greater Seattle area sprawls N to S with only 2 freeways going through. Makes for some bad traffic for sure.

i think we did hit it, some say 990+ some say 1.058M

Just curious, why do you want the population to be over a million? I'd personally be more happy if my area was UNDER the million mark. I don't like being suffocated by people.

@@albtcklHonestly, it's probably an inferiority complex. A lot of Nebraskans in Lincoln and Omaha hate the "nothing but corn" stereotype. Hate being called a flyover state. And Hate being ignored on the national level. Having a metro in the state over 1 million feels like we're actually being put on the map

I love Atlanta as long as I don't have to drive in rush hour traffic.

@@janejones7638 Yes, Atlanta's traffic is insane.

When I moved from Atlanta to Houston (also noted for horrendous traffic), I was surprised to see that rush hour did not go from 4-8 PM each day. That's when I realized how bad Atlanta traffic is.

Thank you!

It grew faster than six of the metros on here, although it still grew pretty slowly

Yeah it did grow actually, this Pop count is slightly off. Chicago metro actually has 9.5million

Yep!

White.

Wish st Louis would have one

I agree. I think Detroit is going to make a comeback!

And I love statistics and maps. Have since I was a kid, so this means as much to me the person as the Census employee. I enjoyed this.

The census has a political agenda

@@BIFC216 Would you care to produce some meaningful (as in not talking points from some ideaological group) evidence to back up that rather shrill claim?

I just hate that Muskegon is tacked on to the GR numbers. Nobody from here would ever say we're close enough to GR for this to make sense

Kenosha county is Chicago in both msa and csa. Racine is part of Milwaukee only in the csa and not the msa counts.

Thanks for pointing out my error. I just transposed those two counties. I edited my comment.

High speed rail between the two would do that (you could easily work in Downtown Milwaukee and live in Downtown Chicago) but I don't see that happening

@@fehzorz Would be a good idea for Milwaukee. Maybe not so much Chicago.

@@rguest2009 Why not Chicago? Chicago mayor and Illinois officials are the people who want high speed rail. Wisconsin officials are the ones against it. High speed rail would bring in billions to the city of Chicago and the state of Illinois. I have read several studies on Midwest high speed rail and Chicago and Illinois would benefit the most financially.

I've yearned for this ever since I found out the distance between Dallas & Fort Worth.

You beat me to it. Allegheny County gained population for the first time since the 1970 Census. I was hoping Pittsburgh would turn the corner too, but it didn't.

I believe they have gained from the 2010 census but have decreased in the past few years. Similar to Los Angeles county, New York state, Connecticut, New Jersey, Alaska and others.

@@pghrpg4065 At least the City of Pittsburgh lost very few people over the past decade, so hopefully by 2030 that trend does finally reverse within the city limits also.

@@GeographyKing thanks for the reply

Just for the San Diego - Tijuana metro area it would be around 6 million, so its fair to so say they should be connected.

@@tylerlynn9680 Agreed.

How many people commute between the countries for work, or on a regular basis? If it's only a small percentage, then they are separate metros, no matter how close they are.

@@Voyager2525 I used to work for a grocery store in northern San Diego and several chefs drove from Tijuana every day. The store I currently work for has a family where half their family is in San Diego and half in Tijuana and they all drive down there all the time. I can't even imagine what are the commute numbers are like closer to the border.

@@tylerlynn9680 They are in seperate countries

The main criteria the US Census uses to determine whether a smaller county should be included in with the larger county metro is the amount of influence the larger county, or city, has over the smaller one. Influence mainly being that of what percentage of people from county B commutes to county A for employment.

Speaking as someone from the east side of Michigan, I thought that was a bit of a stretch too. It’s like including Flint as a suburb of Detroit. Flint is close, yes, but not a suburb. We’ll gladly claim Ann Arbor for Detroit tho lolz 😂

Illinois, Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio etc will all fare pretty well if drought continues to get worse in the coming decades.