No doubt..Many don't know this.. but in Ali vs Frazier lll, Ali allegedly told Dundee to cut his gloves off after the 14th round..while Frazier begged Eddie Fuch not to Stop the Fight..You can see the Surprise and relief in Ali's face when he heard the news..😮‍💨

@@vincentortiz8799 ur right it was practically a draw

No point in having heart if you can't make it against the big boys. Ali was way over the hill in the third bout and Frazier's face looked as though he'd run in to a wall.

@@paulweir5031 My friend..Ali was 33 and Frazier was 31..I do Remember Ali's feet in the air, in 71'..Who do you know that can take 15 rounds of Ali's Sunday Punches, and still have enough Strength and power to knock Ali on his ass! In the Words Of Ron Lyle.." Joe Frazier could fight, Dawg"..😂

@@vincentortiz8799 One punch in three fights, big deal; and Ali bounced straight back up.

A better trainer would have had him using that jab a lot more, and had him fight in a less 'brawling' way. He was just so strong and still pretty fast that he could get away with his brawling style.

@@monkeyb1820 - That is an excellent, terrific point. Where was George Foreman’s left jab in Zaire? Did he even jab? I’ve seen that fight here 5+ times and the jab is not even thrown. It’s Ali to the ropes to exhaust Foreman and Foreman is never using his jab.

@@chrischichester7823 Foreman's trainer (Sadler) was not good. Foreman got a new trainer after that loss, but oddly enough, Ali would not give rematch unless Sadler was in George's corner (at least this is what George has said). And George said that sadler kept encouraging him to get after Ali, when George was clearly getting gassed out. I still think George is the goat--but it mostly relied on his genetics, he always had a wild punching style that a good trainer would have straightened out.

True, but nothing compared to the Powerful 👈🪝, he floored many opponents, including Ali.

@@chrischichester7823 Ali's vs foreman, was a psychological nightmare for foreman. Ali's incredible speed, and the fact that he tauntingly whispered to Foreman.."Is that all you got, big fella" throughout the fight..caused foreman to lose control and by the 5th round, he was pretty much Spent.

i think a lot of the sting was gone because foreman pulled back

@@andya5597 Yep.... If Joe landed that peach perfect on anyone it's gonna give em serious trouble. *BG*

The left hook by Frazier at 1:22 lifted big George off the canvas. Foreman knew this, though way past his prime,. not to take Joe lightly. This is a shell of Frazier. After Ali 1 Joe had nothing else to prove. He won the biggest fight of all time.

@@stevecvino Foreman would have beat Frazier no matter their ages Frazier could never take George power that’s why he as able to contend with Ali he wasn’t as powerful

Just crazy how styles make fights. Foreman's style with his size and power was troublesome for Frazier. Frazier's style was difficult for Ali whereas Ali's style was troublesome for Foreman. George struggled with Boxers He also lost to Jimmy Young.

@@curtismcneil8695 - I remember watching that Jimmy Young fight and Jimmy Young was no tomato can. Jimmy Young had George Foreman down in the final round of the 12th in that unanimous decision defeat. And Foreman was supposed to be washed up and Michael Moorer can ask Foreman about being washed up.

@@chrischichester7823 Michael Moorer was actually a dern good Light Heavyweight Champion. He was cut and could punch. As a Heavyweight He was good but his power was neutralized a little more because he was now hitting bigger men. He wasn't as mobile and he was in some tough scraps. George felt like he could get him if he could catch him. George wasn't interested in fighting Lewis, Bowe or even big Heavyweights like Tony Tucker.

@@curtismcneil8695 Exactly.. styles make fights.

Foreman looked good .

Only 2 men beat Lennox Lewis but he came back and beat both of them in the rematches

If he had fought a better class of opposition his record would not have been so good.

George was kinda the big bad guy at the time, but when he came back he was loved.

@@obi-potobi790 ya...

@@obi-potobi790 yep

I´m 61 now, and I appreciate those days more and more as I get older. The Boomer years were just awesome!

He might even be in the top 3. Who's number one all time in your opinion, please don't say Tyson or ali

@@cameronfreeman8222 ABSOLUTELY MUHAMMAD ALI🦋 🐝⭐️ he had the deepest tank💪 JACK DEMPSEY 💪 and Marciano as well

​@@cameronfreeman8222 If I thought Ali or Tyson were among the finest boxers, I'd say so, but I don't. Oh no, you will never find Muhammad 'Hide-n-Seek' Ali on my list of favorite boxers! (biggest a-holes, maybe) I'd say the most remarkable boxer of my era would have to be the 45-plus-year-old man that was never actually knocked out by Ali, the great Sonny Liston. (How could Sonny be knocked out by a nonexistent punch?) As for boxers with the most heart, I'd have to go with 'Irish' Jerry Quarry and/or Smokin' Joe Frazier. I had the honor of seeing, in person, Frazier VS Quarry! Oh dear God, that was a *SLUGFEST!* May I ask for your favorites?

Shavers marciano foreman lewis tyson dempsey wilder.

Praise be for someone who can see through the worship of Frazier. Even his style was crap, all that head movement was easily readable it didn't stop people bouncing blows off it.

Same for Ken Norton

That's ridiculous, Joe was a hard hitting champion that dominated the division for years. He beat the shit out of Ali in the first fight. He just met up with a style he was not meant for in Foreman. Foreman hit too hard for a guy who was a take one to give one type of counter puncher. While he definitely did better that anyone who fought Ali prior to 1977, his career was a great one. This analysis is amateurish at best and void of any credibility. Ali would say otherwise as he was able to dominate Foreman, but never dominated Frazier. That was why he acknowledged him as the best fighter ever ( of course, with the exception of himself).

@@paulweir5031 like the author we are responding too, your take is just ridiculous. Joe was durable, hard hitting, he dominated the division including beating the shit out of Ali. He also held the best accounting of anyone, and did so in all three fights with Ali. In fact the best of anyone who fought Ali prior to 1977. In all three fights he was far better than anyone else.. Now look in the mirror and say "I do not know what I am talking about"

@@robertanderson9375 Interesting rebuttal, you literally just proved my point by only mentioning his sole accomplishment by citing the Ali fight and only the Ali fight. LOL I am definitely an amateur and Joe Frazier is definitely overrated. His sole claim to fame is his fights with Ali, otherwise he is ONLY remembered for getting knocked out by Foreman. Was he tough, yes! Was he hard hitting, again yes! Was he a heavyweight champion, yes! But his only memorable accomplishments are defeating Ali, getting whooped by Ali twice and "Down Goes Frazier" getting knocked out by Foreman. Sorry to be real and burst your bubble.

@John Whitworth rose tinted glasses are thick with you.

Styles make fights. Frazier could not cope with Forman’s style.

Ali beat Forman on tactics - Ali was a very intelligent boxer, he gassed out Forman and then stepped in to beat him with fresh power, rope a dope was a huge factor in Zaire also - I don't believe George Forman would have fallen in the same trap again in case of a remach (which never happened). The truth is that Forman of that epoch was a monstruous fighter and almost unbeatable one.

@@bumpyroad3251 Ali would always beat Foreman just as Foreman would always beat Frazier or Norton. It’s just the style matchup.

He did for the thrilla in Manilla and Frazier liked to drink so that’s probably why he gained so much weight

The first Ali fight took so much out of Joe. In just the two yrs. after '71 Frazier look liked he aged 10 yrs. If you watch the whole " fight of the century" it's truly brutal.

It’s been overstated. Fact is “big” George was never that big nor strong. He only weighed 220 and was able to bully joe because joe was like 200lbs. When he faced Ali who was the same weight as him, Ali easily manhandled and shocked him around and pulled him down whenever he wanted in the clinch. Basically shoved him m around like he was just a schoolboy.

Sounds good until Joe eats the first big bomb he just was not use to being hit that hard. Will and heart couldnt get pass Foremans power.

That's what made Frazier so exciting, the only fighter who had the balls to fight Foreman Twice.

@@joshuatree5620 Joe was done by this point though, unfortunately.

@@obi-potobi790 you're right man. Joe was one of the most intimidating heavyweights in history. It wasn't his size like Foreman or his Scowl like Liston, it was the fact his opponents knew Frazier would drag them through Hell for 15 rounds.

@@joshuatree5620 yeah man, great fighter.

I disagree Frazier was a well conditioned fighter no one could take many of Big George punches flush on the Jaw&Chin like that, Ali deflected and blocked and rolled with many of George’s shot, then clinch and back George up taking away a lot of his forward momentum.

What I noticed is, against Ali... Frazier could duck punches and use his head to dodge and still try to throw punches at the same time but against George, even while he was ducking... The bunches were still landing heavily either on his arms or his head cause of the weight and force of foreman's punch. He never really had a chance against foreman though..

@@zik5415 Foreman looked superior, yes, but Frasier could have put up a better perfoman whit more offense. It is that if you keep crouching and nodding and hitting litle throughout the fith, your energy reserves will no be the same ando you will lose coordinatión, reflexes and strenght, it is something natural.

@@bernardomatos3876 Frazier had another chance to change the outcome of the first fight but it obviously wasn't easy at all. He must have thought of been more aggressive in the second fight but the outcome was still same as the first fight. There was nothing he could have done..

Exactly, couldn't find a different strategy.

I remember hearing Joe Frazier was in the hospital for a period of time and Muhammad Ali was not after I.

Frazier had no chance against Foreman. Foreman was too big and strong.

Shaver's Done Round 1 Big George Beats the dog out of the acorn 👍🥇✅ Even little quarry The bellflower bomber Destroyed Him Fact's

Unless it was a young Mike Tyson.

@@MikeSmith-cl4ix Nah, Foreman would have KO'd Mike as well. Foreman would just push Mike away any time he got close and punish Mike anytime he tried to close the distance.

@@menooga I don't think so a 20 year old Mike would be way too fast for him. But if they were both in their 30s or above then I would agree with you.

Mike was a beast too I must say.... But both foreman and Mike Tyson in their prime, foreman would beat mike anytime anyday cause of Mike's style of fight. If you can't push George backwards, it will be difficult to defeat him. George did not fight Ali with his brain, if he had... He would have defeated Ali. All he needed to do against Ali was to avoid forcing the fight and he would have won unanimously because of the pace at which Ali was fighting with him.

@@zik5415 okay well we'll just have to agree to disagree on that one because I don't see anyone in history beating Mike when he was at the top of his game though his candle burned out pretty quickly compared to some others.

The second Foreman fight was at the Nassau Coliseum on Long Island in 1976 and it was a state-of-the-art facility. It wasn’t the six-knockdown devastation of the first fight. It was a 5th round TKO when Eddie Futch stopped the fight on the ring apron. Frazier was all heart in both fights. But Foreman was his absolute superior in size and that determined the outcome of both fights.

100 percent

If it was prime tyson with cus It will be really hard for foreman to catch tyson

@@khadarshaik5830 Cus D'amato died when Tyson had 11 pro fights. Foreman would beat Tyson at ANY period of Tyson's career.

Foreman was very slow Tyson in his prime had a great defensive skils Tyson would escape those hard punch And win via decision

Ali told Foreman to avoid Tyson 🤦‍♂️.

You’re right, foreman never let frazier in. He had his number

I think fighting Foreman again after he knocked you down 6 times in the first bout is a definite sign of confidence and balls.

Joe always fought like that. Always. And in fighting like that he was a come forward fighter, so I have no idea what you mean. In the first fight he came towards Foreman, did he not? He also did it with the same style, you called "looking down". In the second fight he tried something different. Frazier tried fighting on the outside, and this time trying to outbox George from there, countering, and at times infighting. But Frazier still got hit, until he Foreman caught him with a good one, hurt him, and then ended things Boxing is not as easy as it may look. And sometimes you could be beating a fighter the whole fight, and get caught, and stopped (even though you're the better fighter, technically, you still got caught, and stopped, by them). That's boxing.

Joe always fought like that. Always. And in fighting like that he was a come forward fighter, so I have no idea what you mean. In the first fight he came towards Foreman, did he not? He also did it with the same style, you called "looking down". In the second fight he tried something different, that was trying to instead outbox Foreman, but he got caught. It happens. There's different styles in fighting. Sometimes similar style meet u in the ring, and sometimes different style collide. That's boxing.

@@Uuyrijies1123 Right. Certain don't know the first thing about boxing. All they know is two people in the ring hitting each other.

Foreman would get slid by Lennox Lewis. Foreman even said himself that Lewis is the best ever, and he was right. I would definitely put George in the top 5 though maybe even top 3

Или его братик Виталик, затыкает соперника мелким джебом вылезая за счёт антропометрии.... Скучно, некрасиво, но эффективно. То ли дело Большой Джордж. Мощь, напор, самоотверженность, бесстрашие. Вот это зрелище, вот это бокс. Ну про Али я вообще молчу, тут слова излишни.

Sadly I think Joe would have lost all 1000 times. Doing a little better each time but still coming up short in the end because he wasn't as smooth and elusive ad a Floyd Mayweather or Ali.

Styles make fights Ali banked on George burning himself out and the strategy worked Ali covered up very good along the Ropes. Blocking a lot of heavy punches. Frazier and Tyson wouldn't be able to do that. They moved their head bobbing and weaving. But George would eventually catch those kind of fighters.

@@danpolseno9728 It's obvious that Foreman's punches on Ali were not real... a very clear difference between his punches on Frazier and his punches on Ali.. It's not just that.. even Foreman's withdrawal after falling back was unjustified.. he could have fought more

Has anyone ever wonder what Ali v Foreman rematch will be like?.....of course that rematch never happened

Lol Foreman was giving Ali a massage then?! Seriously!

Foreman took no prisoners approach with Frazier, cause he watched him during his championship reign. He knew what he was capable of. So he fought determined & focused. With Ali he thought he could get away with just enough. Was caught off guard.

You don’t know much about boxing.

We all would

Lol... This is so funny. I think he was more concerned about the number of punches he was going to be taken than the once he was ready to give out before he'll get beaten. I think foreman's counter punches were really worrisome for Frazier so he didn't want to give him too many chances to counter..

In the early 90’s, I was hoping for a Foreman-Tyson fight. Imagine the money that fight would’ve brought in.

Ali was no fool. He knows he outsmarted George once; twice would've been asking for a miracle.

George changed trainers after that fight. His trainer had been Dick Sadler. Ali said that he'd only do a 2nd fight if Foreman had Sadler in his (George's) corner. That's a strange request. And George said that Sadler had kept telling him to get after Ali, almost like Sadler *wanted* George to get gassed out and lose. So something fishy may have been going on with Sadler. I don't even think Sadler was that great. George barely ever used his jab, which was actually really good. Almost as good as Holmes jab, but with twice the power.

And ali lost to 5 has been s and larry Holmes

@@jaymoon5906 should have been 6 if his corner didn't rip the glove

Foreman was definitely tougher than Liston. Ali made it look effortless to defeat Liston, while Sonny was cheating, while Foreman brought the best of Ali on the night in Zaire, while he foolishly tired himself out.

Just two totally different styles of fighter. He would spend half a fight chasing Ali, who’s style included dancing. Whereas Foreman was a Mac Truck with fists, and you could only pray it would run out of gas.

It’s because Foreman and Ali are radically different boxers and that is why the great Joe Frazier had radically different fights with each. It’s not about ‘anger’ but the ability to adjust to the fight and fighter. James Douglas was the first opponent to adjust to Mike Tyson in a way that totally baffled the champion to the point where he was hit with combinations no previous fighter landed. The inability of Tyson to adjust to the movement, combinations and jabs from Douglas is why he was knocked out in the 10th round. Tyson displayed tremendous heart and courage in trying to beat the count and he didn’t because he was taking a beating throughout the fight.

Certain people..this new generation..YES..in my opinion

@@marvinhagler4721 Agreed

Did you forget fight number 2?

EXACTLY

Because he was a slugger

Big George and Ali were just two different just two different fighters. Ali of 1970 was not the same fighter he was during the early to latter part of that decade, because of his 3 year suspension, on top of it. That Ali in my opinion would have out boxed Frazier pretty easily, and would have taken far far less punches. Foreman was just too big and strong for Frazier, no matter what. Frazier's style (a come to fighter) just made things easy for the bigger, harder punching Foreman. And notice how accurate Foreman's punches were in the first fight with Frazier, who made things easy for the bigger, taller man.

I disagree. Let's face it Foreman was just too big, too strong, and used a bull vs matador technique to confuse Frazier at first. This is very well shown in their first fight. Then when Frazier couldn't get through like he wanted in other fights with others, Big George began working off that, and began bombing him. After Foreman began hurting Frazier, Foreman took over from there, and just over powered his man from there in. 2nd fight Frazier realized Foreman was too big and strong so he tried to mix things up a bit, and began fighting on the outside and some times inside, instead of just infighting. Frazier wasn't looking at that bad. He was doing a heck of a lot better than he did in their fight. But big George, if anything is always determined to stay on you until he gets you. And he still caught Frazier, and put him away.

Sorry you are way off beam with your thoughts on Frazier's ko potential; he only scored 8 in his career and 6 of them were against so so opposition, after Feb. '67 his other two were versus Zyglewicz and the light heavy champ Bob Foster. I can't imagine from where people view him as an all time great.

The fact that you think Frazier lost to Ali in their first bout shows you to be stupid.