Georgians vs NEW Persians!

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Georgians vs NEW Persians!

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The Georgians are coming to AoE2 in the “Mountain Royals” DLC, and with that DLC the classic Persians will also receive a change. In this video I show you some of the key things for both civilizations and talk through my thoughts. Would love to hear what you have to think in the comments as well!
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@T90Official 10 ай бұрын

Many comments pointed out the range indicator I used on the fortified churches is not the effect radius. My apologies for assuming lol… Guess CaptureAge will need to adapt to make it easier to show in the future!

@Bump33 10 ай бұрын

❤

@Exposing_Indian_Hypocrites 10 ай бұрын

Hey Tristan, why did you push Deer with scout when you could've hunted with mule carts?

@19AngelsSorrow89 10 ай бұрын

@@Exposing_Indian_Hypocrites actually I think that this is a great way to use the early free mule cart. Mobile "mill" for hunt; on some maps that might be pretty insane.

@shiniselune399 10 ай бұрын

isn't there a mod for that? viper uses it i think

@Wanderer1258 10 ай бұрын

@@19AngelsSorrow89 Arguably it's better to push the deers under a TC in the first minutes to save villager walking time. And then after the first eight vills you need a mule cart for lumberjacks anyway. But maybe in the late dark age and later it's justified to use a spare mule cart with your hunt, as people in some cases even "mill the deers".

@gertlaan5390 10 ай бұрын

It is the ranged indicator on fortified church, efficiency is even 10 tiles

@MaryamMaqdisi 10 ай бұрын

Came to say the same

@Pilgrim_HYR 10 ай бұрын

Actually 8 tiles (from church's edge) if you count.

@JohnSmith-vl1ql 10 ай бұрын

The range that you show on the church is the attack range, the bonus is 10 tiles so much larger than that :)

@JohnSmith-vl1ql 10 ай бұрын

in all directions, so 10 to the left, 10 to the north etc, etc.

@jasonsmith1950 10 ай бұрын

Not that much larger. The 6 tile range is from the edge of the building, while the 10-tile range is from the center. So in practice, it is just 2 tiles longer (though it is a square shape rather than a circular shape)

@douglashtang 10 ай бұрын

You did a really good job placing these fortified churches to effectively boost your vills effiency. Good job!

@Poetristi 10 ай бұрын

I realy liked the comment I read on Hera's stream, that Persian gold bonus could go to Huns if Persians turn out to be too strong. It would fit them realy well imo.

@TheTowerDefender 10 ай бұрын

considering it also affects cav archers that might be extremely strong for Huns

@Esarathono 10 ай бұрын

I think the Huns need some boost so I like that idea.

@Bu11yMagu1re 10 ай бұрын

Think the gold bonus should just apply to the knight line if it proves to be op.

@thagikaagrajith 10 ай бұрын

@@TheTowerDefenderhuns struggle alot don't see how it will be bad even for cav archers since their cav archers miss the last armor anyway pretty easy to die

@learningguitar2693 10 ай бұрын

Do we want huns yo be even more snowbally in castle age?

@ryanstockil7049 10 ай бұрын

If you think about it a 10% bonus in worker efficiency is the same as an extra villager for every 10 that you have, so it’s probably better to add tc’s first and add churches later

@jasonsmith1950 10 ай бұрын

At the point he added his first fortified churches, he had ~30 vils, so they were only worth about 3 vils at that point (assuming all the vils were in range, which isn't a great assumption). Enough benefit to catch up to the Persian faster TCs, but not much more. So yeah, I think the TCs first would provide more economic benefit.

@HidingAllTheWay 10 ай бұрын

It's bit less than that, since while it makes workers collect 10% faster it doesn't speed up dropping off the resources and getting back to gathering.

@Nazuiko 10 ай бұрын

@@jasonsmith1950 So if you have ~78-85% efficiency its closer to one extra vil for every 12 or 13 in the range; or approximately 10 seconds of gathering every 2 minutes

@josephgreve5101 10 ай бұрын

@T90 - you've been reading the Worker Efficiency stat wrong. It's a measure of how much time your villagers have spent working vs *not* working (walking, idle, etc). It cannot go above 100%, and does not account for Worker *gather rate*, which is what you're thinking of. I've spotted you make this mistake in a few vids recently - thought you should know!

@horaceweatherby2910 10 ай бұрын

correction it's a measure of working time vs total time. that's why it stays below 100%

@MPSmaruj 10 ай бұрын

As a matter of fact: if workers WORK faster but WALK the same speed, then their efficiency stat would actually be LOWER. Counter-intuitive, but that's how maths would work.

@T90Official 10 ай бұрын

Yeah great point, thanks

@mysteriousshadow395 10 ай бұрын

T90Math T90Stats@@T90Official

@klop3re 10 ай бұрын

If they have a task they dont count as idle

@TheGuyperson139 10 ай бұрын

Wow, T90, you really tried!

@lokiness13 10 ай бұрын

Wow those fortified churches are so well placed, Tristan you really are a beast. All jokes asides, love your content man, you have done so much for AoE II !

@Esarathono 10 ай бұрын

I love Hardy’s edits. Well done! The Georgians look like they could go up to S tier with the eco alone. I think the overlap is even better than what you are showing and it will improve the gather rate significantly in the late game. That means fewer vills required to maintain production. Even with the cav pop saving unique tech, I think they’ll manage on fewer farms (they effectively get the current Slav farm rate boost in late game as well as wood and mining speeds!). The healing added in for the cav also will slightly reduce the rate at which you lose cav too. Overall, I think both Georgians and Persians are going to err on the side of too powerful. I hope they give some love to some of the other civs (like Huns) who have been power crept.

@onurs.4581 10 ай бұрын

They are grabbing these techs from age of mythology for last 3-4 expensions. Norse wolfs has the same mechanic as these guys. More wolf nearby(like a wolf pack would.) more attack and movespeed for wolfs. ragnarok= flemish rev/ox cart=mule cart etc...

@annaairahala9462 10 ай бұрын

Not a bad thing

@MadArcherJr 10 ай бұрын

I appreciate Hardy and that he literally put what T90 asked for numbers at first. Seeing it flip from paladin to savar got me. ;D XD

@ReflectedRed 10 ай бұрын

I can see that you really tried! Nice job👍

@johnanderson9241 10 ай бұрын

Hardy is a great editor! I love how he puts in the mistakes then takes them out when t90 corrects himself! Haha 😂

@lblacite6788 10 ай бұрын

T90 you really tried! Proud of you! Also you are not stupid it’s already incredible how much knowledge you have on this game without referencing the wiki. Thanks for showing us the new civ!!

@CptManboobs 10 ай бұрын

I really like how it looks like there is a horse in the back of t90's base on the minimap

@tasse0599 10 ай бұрын

It's a tapir

@BallisticAero 10 ай бұрын

I really hope this game never dies, there's so much history that can still be added into this game. They could even start to split certain civs into sub civs; Vikings could be a Norwegian civ or a Danish civ etc etc

@ahmadghazal6063 10 ай бұрын

Love Hardy's edits.. he puts in effort

@Beam_of_Love 10 ай бұрын

His edits in the end made me laugh, the timing, the rolling with T90's mistakes, just gold.

@craig8727 10 ай бұрын

T90, you did a really good job

@Aliksander54 10 ай бұрын

Question: do the mule carts take up population? If not, how long until we see mule cart meat shield mobile fortifications to archer balls?

@Toonrick12 10 ай бұрын

They're a building, so they do not. That said, archers try to target units before buildings so the strat may or may not work.

@Aliksander54 10 ай бұрын

@@Toonrick12 No, I mean you have a ball of archers within a perimeter of mule carts, so your mule carts act as mobile walls for your archers. Your archers are targeting units while melee cannot get at them.

@zerrgei4270 10 ай бұрын

5head@@Aliksander54

@The-jy3yq 10 ай бұрын

We've figured out Wagenburgs, boys! Although it'd be kinda tedious to do

@Aliksander54 10 ай бұрын

@@The-jy3yq Yeah, and the cost may be prohibitively high for the benefit. We need SOTL to do a cost benefit analysis of mule carts to equivalent number of spearmen. Only real upside is no population usage.

@ThatDanmGuy 10 ай бұрын

The range on the church eco effect is actually 2x what it was showing (the attack range), for 4x as much area covered as shown o.0

@tasse0599 10 ай бұрын

nah, the range of workrate improvement is counted from the centre of the building, while the range is measured from the margins, so it's not much more

@elliottbebee4662 10 ай бұрын

Would like to see how well the carts works for collecting hunt instead of pushing them in with your scout. Also wondering if the carts are slightly less efficient for mining due to being 1 tile instead of 2 tiles so more villagers have to walk to drop off. (can see this at 9:28)

@chickenman1801 10 ай бұрын

I think its only for wood and gold/stone

@hordenmeisterAO 10 ай бұрын

@@chickenman1801 No, also for hunt. (But not for berries and farms...) Not sure about fishing.

@DeCastra 10 ай бұрын

Showing off the bonuses is all nice and good, but that little horse on the minimap deserves some attention as well Thanks for your hard work man - it doesnt go unnoticed

@pkayfire3701 10 ай бұрын

There was certainly a lot of trying in this video, that is for sure.

@TheCocoaisCongealed 10 ай бұрын

I found you telling your opponent to buy blacksmith upgrades very wholesomem

@gladrecycler8532 10 ай бұрын

Wow T90 you really tried - T90 😂 but seriously thanks for showing the radius on the fortified churches ❤

@hareshneeraj998 10 ай бұрын

I think this civ will be somewhat similar to Poles. Slow at first but you build more churches as you expand and eco slowly keeps getting better. Definitely a civ for the top level players to figure out optimal play.

@timleduck3055 10 ай бұрын

Thats gotta get nerfed at some point, I think the damage is just a bit too broken when the cav is massed.. potentially they could increase the amount of units needed to add to the bonus atk, so that the bonus effectiveness drops off as some units die.

@Boku87 10 ай бұрын

wow t90 you really tried!

@faceoctopus4571 10 ай бұрын

Farms generate food, so that could be a limiting factor on how much food the villagers gather, in fact for farms next to the mill or TC, I think that already is a limiting factor after Wheelbarrow, so for farm boosting, might be best to have the church be boosting farms that aren't up against the food drop off building. Edit: With generic(all?) Civs, handcart is needed to get food production be limited by how fast farms create food.

@Klautsche 10 ай бұрын

I'm not sure but I think SotL made a video where he said farms work something like 15% faster so up until that you can increase workrate without it being limited by farms themselves

@The-jy3yq 10 ай бұрын

So that means that Slavic farmers are actually not better than generic ones?

@faceoctopus4571 10 ай бұрын

@@The-jy3yq That used to be the case (once handcart is researched), but my interpretation of Spirit of the Law videos is that an update has led Slav farms to now generate food faster. Videos I’m thinking of are “AoE2 Slav farming bonus (update)” + “Why poorly placed farms aren't as bad as you think”

@oscarsimonvelasco4263 10 ай бұрын

I do have to wonder about the mule cart meat shield tactic. Wouldn't enemy units ignore them when you have your army nearby as they are considered as buildings rather than a unit.

@lemming3001 10 ай бұрын

I believe thats how it works mule carts get ignored by ai by default because its a building

@Esarathono 10 ай бұрын

I think that if it’s a problem they can just make the carts slower or clunkier as well.

@asdfjoe123 10 ай бұрын

To explain that unit, using an analogy, it's an AOE2 unit that uses Pathfinder Teamwork feats to get extra damage when buddies are nearby.

@gavinjenkins899 10 ай бұрын

Wow, T90, you really tried hard with those churches

@MrTabanese 10 ай бұрын

Wow T90, you sure do have wood.

@NoetsMierKeps 10 ай бұрын

What a coincidence, I open my laptop after a 12 hour shift. And fist! 🙂

@MaddinPi 10 ай бұрын

Would it be more efficient to put the cart next to stragglers first on the way to the woodline to postpone the idle time when walking to far away woodlines? Of course this would need heavy micro and I personally would just forget and have them all over the place.

@dra6o0n 10 ай бұрын

Isn't mule carts extremely useful for stealth resource gathering on maps where you can 'move' your cart and villagers to slowly gather resources on a separate area without your enemies knowing? Especially if you know the maps you like and plan ahead for them. Mule carts would be great for getting stone and gold on the move since trees are often already very plentiful on forested maps. Also if you find mining resources near huge piles of trees, or near fishing areas, then you can probably try to pair them with a handful of villagers to gather both resources at once. Big maps, especially Ludicrous maps would benefit from a mule cart.

@bubbasbigblast8563 10 ай бұрын

Gathering resources like that is usually a bad idea: it puts villagers in a lot of danger because you can't defend them if they're found, and they waste time walking long distances instead of working. It's really better for aggression, since you can afford to send more villagers forward to build at an enemies base if those villagers can also work there.

@dra6o0n 10 ай бұрын

@@bubbasbigblast8563 For team matches sure if say you want to use up a enemy's base for resource, but in most typical matches it gets depleted after a while in those areas.

@markburke1396 10 ай бұрын

can a mule cart board a transport?

@casusincorrabilis1584 10 ай бұрын

you really tried... a bit too much. The indicator shows the range of the Fortfied Churches, but the aura effect is actually bigger. So you made way too many churches than you needed.

@phoenix3992 10 ай бұрын

Wow T90 you really tried [to get the Fortified Church to buff your entire eco]!

@johnq3676 10 ай бұрын

29:18 I was screaming for t90 to use the Churches to protect the villagers

@Redneck353 8 ай бұрын

That showing range thing is cool, if there was a hotkey so you can toggle it on/of for some occasions it would be nice

@SvanTowerMan 10 ай бұрын

No new civilization is really officially added until it appears in a T90 high-level cast video.

@Orkimtor 10 ай бұрын

I am looking forward to seeing how strong the Georgians really are. The fortified church bonus is probably really nice if you go heavy on monks in early castle age or then just a really nice eco bonus and protection in late castle age. The Monaspa seems like a really interesting unit but I don't think it is too broken. In many games it may already be difficult to get to a high number of unique units, especially without an early eco bonus. And then the question is what would you rather have. 20 Monaspas, Leitis, Mangudai? The Leitis with 3 relics has 40 more hp, 1 less damage (and slightly lower attack rate) but armor piercing attacks and does not need support for his high damage and has -3/-1 armor compared to the Monaspa (in a group of 21+). Therefore the Leits kills the Monaspa in 6 hit, while the Monaspa needs 9. The biggest bonus is the healing cav in my opinion, helping a lot in feudal age scout fights and then also with everything afterwards.

@ar1sm70 10 ай бұрын

I've curious to see how the new civ mechanics work on Arena, especially the fortified church. Diving in right away :)

@SanktePer 10 ай бұрын

If you can drop food at the carts then you could farm around the churches and have carts on both sides

@pax6833 10 ай бұрын

Mule carts feel like the new unsinkable sicilian transports. Unintended gameplay benefit.

@shino4242 9 ай бұрын

That cav fight was an absolute slaughter. Wonder how that fight goes vs fully upgraded french paladins?

@divaldosilva7789 10 ай бұрын

Hardy is too good! hahaha, Great editing on the end!

@andresfelipenieto1646 10 ай бұрын

you dont need to relocate the mule cart... it does get closer to the resources automatically as you consume them

@GatorBodine1 10 ай бұрын

The numbers edit cracked me up

@chattaboxxx2332 10 ай бұрын

Anyone else seeing a horse on the right side of t90s base on the Minimap or is it just me...

@Cecil_Augus 10 ай бұрын

I can't believe that with some many new things to show you have only uploaded this!!! Wtd

@Aedanz31 10 ай бұрын

I'm dumb cause I thought moving platforms meant no more youtube videos. Glad to see you pumping them out

@neophobia12 10 ай бұрын

28:51 the T90 quickgate

@Jordan-uy2nj 10 ай бұрын

WOW T90!!! YOU REALLY TRIED!!! AND IT IS GREATLY APPRECIATED!!!

@leonardjulius6098 10 ай бұрын

Wow the one time he turns on the range indicator and he still fucked it up

@tamaskosa4456 10 ай бұрын

I think the Mule cart's use in battle will be valid because of no population cost. It has rather low pierce armor though.

@dopi3220 10 ай бұрын

Wow t90, you really tried.

@myopiniondoesntmatter7068 10 ай бұрын

That fight, the numbers weren't even close. You had 20+ more military lmao

@TheEragonFreak 9 ай бұрын

look at the little horsey in the right corner of the minimap :)

@fkndonnie6476 9 ай бұрын

I think making the mule cart construct/deconstruct like a treb and making it cost 1 pop, would balance it to the point nobody would complain

@lukefenton7809 10 ай бұрын

Wow T90, you are really trying!

@sebi5830 10 ай бұрын

If muilcars don't take pop space this blocking strat is next level op

@bistendope 10 ай бұрын

I saw "NEW" written in 72 Impact font on the thumbnail so I clicked

@not_milk 10 ай бұрын

I can imagine sending in mule carts like you might send in rams to soak up arrow fire

@notsafeforchurch 10 ай бұрын

Make it to where mule carts in motion have negative armor and pierce armor.

@user-bz3ko5rr8h 10 ай бұрын

Am i tripping or are T90's houses on fire? two in front of his starting TC and later the fortified church, without being attacked :D

@FracturedStaffOfArmadyl 10 ай бұрын

The range of the fortified church is much bigger than that. The visible range there is just for arrows.

@Nazuiko 10 ай бұрын

That does explain the donut shape. I wondered why the ovals had the "blind" spot but i forgot Georgian churches also shoot arrows, which means thats just showing the lack of Murder Holes

@gambitsfadedglory3810 10 ай бұрын

19:45 WOWT90! You really tried!

@barnaclefelching4079 10 ай бұрын

Cor blimey T90, you really tried 😂❤

@marcokrause2163 10 ай бұрын

btw you can use your hotkeys in the tech tree as well. You can also use the mouse wheel to scroll.

@A1phaDrag0n 10 ай бұрын

Wow T90, you really tried with those fortified do-hickies

@abraxabau 10 ай бұрын

why is the T90 mill burning at 18:00?????????????

@aidank5440 10 ай бұрын

Also looks like some 'invisible' workers working on it too.

@jayden6047 10 ай бұрын

Wow T90 you really tried!

@BattIeBear 10 ай бұрын

A lot of times when game designers add something new they will purposefully make it stronger than it should be so that people will play with it. If people are playing with it then the devs will know how to balance it in a patch or two, but if nobody is playing with it because it's too week/unexciting then getting it properly balanced will take a lot longer.

@ashutoshkaushal8657 10 ай бұрын

9:30 Such symmetry in farm placement! Who are you and what did you do to T90!!!????!😱😱😱

@raphaelguerin2691 10 ай бұрын

I feel like a Georgian team bonus could be insane for tower rush, douche or just repair castles

@Jaageful 10 ай бұрын

No Chonkers. Just that one in the end. They have over 600 hp and in my experience, they can resist monks better what they used to. Even 10 elephants can make a lot of damage.

@misterpanini8169 10 ай бұрын

I can imagine players using the carts to body block during eco raids. If you can't get a quick wall down the mule cart might buy you time to get walls around your vils or back to tc

@08vinster 10 ай бұрын

Yeah daut has already been doing that

@tomtenthij5676 10 ай бұрын

Thank you T90! Take your well earned rest! ☺

@mateuszdejko6356 10 ай бұрын

garn darn it T90, You did really tried!

@johannschild8499 10 ай бұрын

@t90 big ball of archers won't be good against savar, the new sotl video shows it's actually best against archers. One more pierce Armour and secret +3 against archers next to the Persian team bonus +2

@PrasenjeetKumarAuthor 10 ай бұрын

I think he was talking about the Monaspa being countered by a big ball of archers because they have weak pierce armour.

@Adamos321 10 ай бұрын

wow.. this gets me quite excited about Georgians so I might buy that DLC.. I releases in a week and by then there is even 15% discount, so...

@quasibrodo923 10 ай бұрын

pretty sure the fortified church range being shown was the range of their arrows, not the range of the 10% workspeed buff. workspeed buff doesn't have a minimum range, but the fortified church does have a minimum range before murder holes. at least where I'm at in the video (9:00ish) the indicator shows a gap between the church and the start of the ranged effect in question.

@thefench1 10 ай бұрын

a late Impereal Tower update without max range that can compare to a bombard cannon at least ... is always useless ...if your enemy does not just skipp siege or is stuck in castle age for a reason its a nice gimmick for scenario so

@lifesaga7273 9 ай бұрын

neat editing

@hafor2846 10 ай бұрын

Yeah, my Mid Elo ass is going to never prepare for a rush with these guys and just roll the carts back to the TC every single time lol

@martynkalendar 10 ай бұрын

Sending mule carts instead of rams into archer battles sounds better to me, it's kind of like the wagon forts that were used in history

@dembro27 10 ай бұрын

Oh no! Don't get T90 started on Hussite Wagons again!

@sophietaylor9753 10 ай бұрын

I really liked those numbers.

@BattIeBear 10 ай бұрын

Wow T90, at least you tried!

@Name-fc8sk 9 ай бұрын

why was your mill on Fire the second you hit castle age WHAT!??? Hahahaha 8:18

@Nazuiko 10 ай бұрын

I get the devs releasing the new civs overtuned intentionally, but I see a future patch not too far from now where Mule carts might get a reduced HP/armor, and Fortified church goes from 200W (vs 175 Monastery) to 150W + 25 or 50S. Otherwise the Georgians are fine, doesnt seem too unhealthy once the efficiency of churches is brought down with the added stone cost (which only makes sense anyway, as a defensive structure and "FORTIFIED"

@lordmetzgermeister 10 ай бұрын

I guess we could say that you at least tried with the church placement Kappa

@jhallanimalfps4174 10 ай бұрын

What kind of armor does a horse wear? Chain mare😂😂😂😂

@jhallanimalfps4174 10 ай бұрын

@24:00

@axlehad1612 10 ай бұрын

the editor is the best hahaha

@brandonfisher2350 10 ай бұрын

Do the fortified churches speed up production also? I picture a fortified church surrounded by barracks and stables

@streamofthought8662 10 ай бұрын

i feel like thats a huge upfront cost on the fortified church to get the eco bonus. maybe the best way to play against georgians is to not attack them and boom up