Germaine Greer and William F. Buckley on Women's Liberation

Germaine Greer and William F. Buckley on Women's Liberation - 1973

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9 жыл бұрын

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@junesecrist6719 5 жыл бұрын

I saw this on TV 1973, It was life changing, what a debate!

@simpaticaism 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much for posting this debate , at 72 , this took me back to my young women days in London , Greer was considered controversial in working class women’s circles at that time.

@somethingyousaid5059 5 жыл бұрын

I wish there was video to go with the audio. It cheats me out of those wonderfully frightening Buckley facial expressions.

@MsPea 8 жыл бұрын

It's important to remember that this debate took place in 1973, a time when the idea of change to the role of women was threatening and strange--dangerous even. You can hear the condescension that the first speaker uses. His attitude was the norm at the time.Greer is a liberation rather than equality Her goal is not equality with men, which she sees as assimilation and "agreeing to live the lives of unfree men." "Women's liberation," she wrote in The Whole Woman, "did not see the female's potential in terms of the male's actual." She argues instead that liberation is about asserting difference and "insisting on it as a condition of self-definition and self-determination." It is a struggle for the freedom of women to "define their own values, order their own priorities and decide their own fate."

@fusion772 7 жыл бұрын

oh, by all means, define your own values any way you want... you may still just end up being insufferable and annoying and trifling in the minds of most men and they won't want anything to do with you and your self-obsessed, "liberation"-obsessed ways... which, evidently, would be fine with you, because men are the oppressors / enemy anyhow, so why not just give them the middle finger and totally put them off?

@diaberumonk3580 7 жыл бұрын

fusion772 shit ur dumb

@marilyncleopatra9308 7 жыл бұрын

Men trying to lord it over women are what created liberation feminism.

@ramonalejandrosuare 6 жыл бұрын

Was this addressed to me? I was responding to the OP.

@ramonalejandrosuare 6 жыл бұрын

Excuse me, I meant the OR (original responder). And, yes, that was a rant where he spoke on behalf of all men.

@missdee4927 8 жыл бұрын

Yes! Been looking for this forever. Thank you for sharing.

@sukhmanicambridge 6 жыл бұрын

Brilliant performance by Dr Greer.

@dengelke 9 жыл бұрын

Wonderdul upload. I should have been there.

@jansegerlambert7082 4 ай бұрын

Civilized conversation / wish this was alive today ❤️

@kathleendubois7128 4 ай бұрын

We don't have it at all anymore!

@estherm.villegasdelatorre6984 8 жыл бұрын

Who is this "Miss Greer", exactly?! It is "Dr Greer"!

@535657 8 жыл бұрын

+skidrowsux1977 She's been Dr Greer since 1969.

@gapbao4966 6 жыл бұрын

How telling that the pompous Buckley calls Greer 'Miss' rather than 'Dr'.

@deirdrehelms241 6 жыл бұрын

Esther M. Villegas de la Torre are you kidding?

@sukhmanicambridge 6 жыл бұрын

Buckley’s giving me a headache.

@OhGodThe 3 жыл бұрын

The British do not endorse intellectual arrogance the same way that Americans do. There, one's arguments take precedence over one's title.

@sparkyroots369 7 жыл бұрын

By the time i got to university, these debates were legend. Thanks for uploading!

@kaerulia 4 жыл бұрын

I love the respect Buckley shows her even in disagreement.

@fredmartin9240 6 жыл бұрын

I remember seeing this debate on CBC Television at age 13. The old said, "Well boys, it looks like everything's up for renegotiation." It's worked for me.

@peterwoods5310 7 жыл бұрын

If you have the marvelous Esther Vilar - Germaine Greer BBC-TV discussion do please put it up!

@natashayerkovich6602 7 жыл бұрын

brilliant

@angieagentlesoul 5 жыл бұрын

She so does wipe the floor with them. I wouldn't f with her. My admiration for her is endless.

@bertharcourt7922 4 жыл бұрын

I saw this on live BBC TV. I remember Buckley fumbling round his pockets - think someone stole his notes! He was certainly a bit lost at the start of his response.

@laughingwaters4445 6 жыл бұрын

Hahaha. For reals? the guy on Buckley's side was named 'Allcock' ? damn

@hpringle1 8 жыл бұрын

Would anyone know who exactly is "Mrs Lavinia Grace", at 40:17? thank you.

@djermeow3136 8 жыл бұрын

26:04 "...because I have always been a kind of remittance man; I've always been a privileged escapee from my own sex..."

@b4l5w1n 4 жыл бұрын

What is that suppose to mean? Anyways. It is refreshing that she talked of sex not gender. Greer is really into sex not gender.

@regmunday8354 6 жыл бұрын

Who is Livinia Grace? High point for me was 40.20 point, when she says "Mr President, as a married woman..."

@JenNagleInk 2 жыл бұрын

4:14 I'm so proud of the male species for slowly putting an end to gender bashing. The one thing we all have in common is the desire for peace Let's celebrate our differences and move forward as one.

@naheem1845 4 жыл бұрын

I like her characterisation of Leavis as a mediocrity who knew nothing of Woolf. I adore Germaine Greer.

@AFaceintheCrowd01 3 жыл бұрын

Guys like Buckley -- and Mailer -- refused to acknowledge how demeaning the the prefix "Miss" or descriptor "lady writer" actually were to some women at the time.

@Sisyphus40 3 жыл бұрын

Yes because it isn't at all demeaning so why should they acknowledge it?

@djermeow3136 8 жыл бұрын

44:42

@Superfantastictop10 4 жыл бұрын

Shucks, those posh fellas have got that witty repartee down to a T.

@lanceasher6492 3 жыл бұрын

"Full moral responsibility" ehehehehehehehehehehehhehehhehehheehhe

@angieagentlesoul 5 жыл бұрын

You simply can't argue with her. You will lose. Period.

@shauryadivya1736 3 жыл бұрын

If one of your biggest issue as a woman in a society is people using the prefix 'miss', then i have to comment that you have veered heavily in the direction of privilege, and an unnatural lack of oppression. The source of this privilege should be examined, and ideally preserved. It also indicates an ignorance of history and conditions of women today in multiple societies. And this was around 60 years ago. Also to add, if only the statistics pertaining to inequities between the sexes being exacerbated by richer and more equal societies in terms of law, had been available at the time, the feminist argument would crumble. Classic example being Scandinavia and bangladesh. Men and women are different, and the expression of this difference in career fields is proof of the evermore opportunity that women have to choose.

@JenNagleInk 2 жыл бұрын

I just had this funny thought about how hunting and fishing have turned into commonly loved sports by both men and women yet you dont see planting, harvesting, preparing food, cleaning the house, taking care of the children ranking high among desired sports. Lol yep, we've come a long way since hunter gatherer. If the progression has slowly moved toward equality, when will we learn that peace can only happen on earth if humans start to see that life is projection

@virces6563 7 жыл бұрын

Those men gave me cancer

@killerlifealbum 11 ай бұрын

god he loves to ramble on lol and try and use long words to his sentences to give impression he's somehow smart

@PeterShieldsukcatstripey 4 ай бұрын

Really admire how honest men are about their own sex (especially that final comment), which women (other than Germaine) struggle to do.

@merilyntaylor-smith2863 8 жыл бұрын

Why is the voise entirly male?

@DonSanchoPanza 8 жыл бұрын

In those times men were still barking and biting publicly, they were not yet caged and declawed, they were not only mumbling in the dark

@BaronEvola123 Жыл бұрын

Interesting. She recently cowarded in the face of the Alphabets.

@liammccarron8191 4 жыл бұрын

Transgender have screwed up that then. Lol

@mandeqjama5414 7 жыл бұрын

Germain Greer talks as if women are their own race or something. Like we're our own culture or some odd thing like that. Though I'd rather think we women are all different in the same way men are, and among the cultures and societies we live in, we are also byproducts of its history. The question really is, why haven't we've been recognized as such? As, you know, people?

@virces6563 7 жыл бұрын

Women are a class

@alexmckelvey3768 8 жыл бұрын

The second woman, Mrs. Heath perhaps?, was the most compelling speaker. Buckley had no honesty and Greer had no charisma. Everyone was amusing, in a Monty Python-esque fashion, but only the second woman actually had those for the motion entranced, and those against rather nervous.

@PeterShieldsukcatstripey 4 ай бұрын

I heard Germaine decades later say how she loved men. The discussions haven't changed which I goes to show how onpoint she was right from the beginning.

@gibbogle 2 ай бұрын

Greer was right, but she does come across as a bit arrogant. Tracey Ullman has made a couple of videos illustrating this side of Greer.

@HansDelbruck53 Жыл бұрын

Great video footage. NOT!

@beachballa93 8 жыл бұрын

The in favor arguments were horrendous. Appeals to emotion and complaints of criticism.

@RAMSEY1987 8 жыл бұрын

The biological myth

@jikkh2x 8 жыл бұрын

The woman speaking in minute 45 expressed utter contempt for non feminist women. The most off putting aspect of feminism as I see it has been how feminists (both male and female for that matter) categorise women who want a traditional life. Honestly, how can you say they are not "real women" ? Quite a disgusting attitude, and after the first speaker claimed the movement was NOT about dictating to women who were content with the status quo.

@sethjohansson5151 8 жыл бұрын

+Furioclasse that's not what she's saying. she's not criticizing women who get married and have kids (sidenote: "traditional life" is a hilariously inept misnomer considering the sociological ideals of family structure have only really existed in the last century or so). she's not criticizing women's choices to keep a house or to raise a family, she's criticizing a contemporary male fantasy of the ideal woman as the perfect servant - a "pitiful little painted doll" as she puts it who never questions her man, always does what she's told, presents herself for his sexual gratification, and does all of this without complaint or unhappiness. when she says "a real woman as the mother of your children" at 45:20, she's not talking about homemakers or "non feminist women" (whatever you mean by that), she's referring to an actual living, breathing person with thoughts of her own as opposed to the "painted doll" fantasy that she (rightly) claims has no correlation in reality, but which women may feel compelled to emulate because of "economic necessity." tl;dr she's not attacking housewives she's saying men shoould prefer a woman keep his house and raise his children because she wants to and loves him to a woman who does it because society compels her to.

@metatron4890 7 жыл бұрын

Society's force on a person's action is a correlation. So long as that government does not have laws that discriminate in favor, or against anyone, then we have equality of opportunity in regards to that nation's laws. If that dissatisfies a feminist then it is clear that they are using equality to mean something more than equality before the law. This feminist would have to justify their new definition.

@PeterShieldsukcatstripey 4 ай бұрын

The convict returns.